Draw tool

[WhiteMamba]

Had a plugged cigar today and it was really frustrating. Looked at some draw tools and found perfecdraw. Anyone have any experience with them? Figured I would check in before making a purchase.

[dijit]

We have one at the shop. You need to be careful not to split the cigar with it.

[tsolomon]

I have tried several draw tools over the years and none of them have worked well, but the PerfecDraw works for me. Bought one a couple of months ago and have saved a number of cigars that were too tight to smoke. :2

[Da Klugs]

I have tried several draw tools over the years and none of them have worked well, but the PerfecDraw works for me. Bought one a couple of months ago and have saved a number of cigars that were too tight to smoke. :2

:np

Its the best. You can grind out the bad spot. Watched a brother unplug a 33 rg cigar perfectly.

[Chainsaw13]

I have two friends that swear by their Perfect Draws

[nutcracker]

https://www.hwiebe.com/store/c10/Cigar_Accessories.html

[Black Coral]

I have a redeemer and love it

[AdamJoshua]

I have a redeemer and love it

Except when it bends huh? :lr


PerfecDraw is the only way to go! Although you don't get the cool little box with the magnetic lid anymore, they swapped over to just cardboard. One really good cigar and this thing pays for itself and it's payed for itself time and again for me, it's also great for lanceros!

[icehog3]

^^^^^^^^^^^^^

That Guy gifted me one recently, and it's by far the best draw tool I have ever used.

[DBall]

I am the undisputed king of draw tool utilization and the perfecdraw is the best draw tool in the universe.

/thread

Hahaha... seriously, though, this thing really is a spectacular draw tool

[elderboy02]

Thanks for the advice to all in this thread. Just ordered a PerfecDraw

[BigAsh]

Except when it bends huh? :lr


PerfecDraw is the only way to go! Although you don't get the cool little box with the magnetic lid anymore, they swapped over to just cardboard. One really good cigar and this thing pays for itself and it's payed for itself time and again for me, it's also great for lanceros!

Hmmmm...would it work on a plugged COLA?...say from '01....:D

[T.G]

I am the undisputed king of draw tool utilization and the perfecdraw is the best draw tool in the universe.

/thread

Hahaha... seriously, though, this thing really is a spectacular draw tool


I wish I could find the photo from the herf at Groog's place 5-6 years ago (longer?) where you and Grant were using a cordless drill and 10" bit to save a tent peg of a cigar.

[pnoon]

I have two friends that swear by their Perfect Draws

Except when it bends huh? :lr


PerfecDraw is the only way to go! Although you don't get the cool little box with the magnetic lid anymore, they swapped over to just cardboard. One really good cigar and this thing pays for itself and it's payed for itself time and again for me, it's also great for lanceros!

^^^^^^^^^^^^^

That Guy gifted me one recently, and it's by far the best draw tool I have ever used.

Add me to the list. You have two choices - perfecdraw or pitch the cigar.

[markem]

I'm sold on the perfect draw. Like many, Adam gifted me one and I finally put down my Henry's tool, which I have used for about 15 years.

[CigarNut]

I use a 1/16" drill bit -- manually, no drill motor:

https://www.amazon.com/Bosch-BL2631-Extra-Length-Aircraft/dp/B0062I8W8Q/ref=sr_1_6?ie=UTF8&qid=1519664713&sr=8-6&keywords=drill+bits+1%2F16+inch

It works really well because it actually makes a hole by removing bits and pieces. I wrapped some duct tape around the end to make it a little easier to grip.

They are inexpensive!

[AdamJoshua]

Hmmmm...would it work on a plugged COLA?...say from '01....:D

Yes yes it would! But the last few I have smoked have been fine ... so I don't know if i should hope one is plugged or not :gary

I know Goatlocker loves his and he was actually a bit let down when an old crusty cigar he was going to smoke WASN'T plugged. :lr

[longknocker]

Just Ordered One!:banger:noon:D:tu

[MarkinAZ]

Add me to the list. You have two choices - perfecdraw or pitch the cigar.

:D... You must be doing much better if you're posting here:banger

[Ashcan Bill]

Guess I'm adding a PerfecDraw to my shopping list.

[Havanaaddict]

I used to just throw all my tight cigars in a big Zip-lock bag over the years. Prob have over 50 cigars lots from 98' and just hated to just pitch them. I thought maybe I would get a pipe someday and use them as tobacco. I picked up a PerfecDraw maybe 6 months ago and I have been able to save 6 or 8 cigars out of that bag. It has paid for it self over and over!!!

[AdamJoshua]

I used to just throw all my tight cigars in a big Zip-lock bag over the years. Prob have over 50 cigars lots from 98' and just hated to just pitch them. I thought maybe I would get a pipe someday and use them as tobacco. I picked up a PerfecDraw maybe 6 months ago and I have been able to save 6 or 8 cigars out of that bag. It has paid for it self over and over!!!

So uh ... what cha doing with the rest of those sticks :D :r

[Wharf Rat]

I've had a tool made out of a piece of coat hanger for a long time that usually fills the bill.

[WhiteMamba]

Thanks for the reviews guys. I ordered a perfecdraw today which was handy since the price dropped to $25. That’s hard to beat.

[AdamJoshua]

Thanks for the reviews guys. I ordered a perfecdraw today which was handy since the price dropped to $25. That’s hard to beat.

what the what? lol christ i bout a ton of them and they were 39.99 ... might have to pick up a couple spares

Edit: Just so you all know that's on their website not on amazon, amazon is still the same price.

[WhiteMamba]

Yes it’s on their website. I emailed the owner yesterday asking for any discounts he could give (never hurts to ask) and he told me they were marking them down today for a limited time didn’t say how long.

[T.G]

what the what? lol christ i bout a ton of them and they were 39.99 ... might have to pick up a couple spares

Edit: Just so you all know that's on their website not on amazon, amazon is still the same price.

Were your $39.99 ones bent or crooked too? All three of the ones I just bought at $25 were... :td

[AdamJoshua]

Were your $39.99 ones bent or crooked too? All three of the ones I just bought at $25 were... :td

Er no not at all, I just bought a couple of the $25 ones, got them a couple days ago and havent even opened the box yet, when i go i'll check them out ... someone said they also changed the handle part, it used to be round. The american way, you make some money and right away you figure out how to do it cheaper and faster and fvck your reputation

Will be sending this b!tches right back

[AdamJoshua]

Yah they changed the design, they suck, the bit part seems rougher and it doesn't quite fit in the shaft the same, I hate the hexagonal "handle" to it, they also removed the pocket clip.

Thankfully I bought them with p p and just sent them feedback telling them what I think of their "new" product and that I expect a full refund for the 4 I just purchased, I wouldn't even send of those to Huy

[WhiteMamba]

I don’t known what their old ones were like but I thought mine was alright. Seemed to be what was advertised and I thought the hexagonal handle made it easier to twist the blade/bit. I thought for the price it was pretty good. :2

[AdamJoshua]

I will give them an A for customer service, got this tonight (Sunday night).

Wow Adam, this is a shock. To date, you are the first to have this reaction. So far I’ve heard from over 30 cigar smokers who have used both the original and new designs. One of those people was even Phil Kohn (Katman Cigar Reviews), and he loves the new design. A few of them have said that they really can’t tell the difference in effectiveness and ease of use, but the vast majority have said they like the new design better. The comments are mostly that they like the feel of the hexagon shaped handle better and they feel the working end (where the blades are) is more effective at removing tobacco.

In the beginning, the original working plans for the PerfecDraw called for a certain distance between the blades to have room to collect tobacco. The problem was the spiral design. The spiral design causes tremendous torque during the machining process, causing the vast majority of the shafts to corkscrew or break during the machining. This also made it impossible to automate the manufacturing process, so it took individual machinists to machine them one at a time – and still more than 80% corkscrewed or broke during manufacturing. So the manufacturing costs were crazy-high.

The spiral design was stretched out as far as possible to create as much room as possible between the blades, but not nearly as much distance as my original design called for. It was impossible to stretch it out any more because of the torque. In fact, the first factory to make the PerfecDraw refused to continue manufacturing them because they lost money. So there wasn’t as much distance between the blades to collect tobacco as I originally wanted.

Because the extreme manufacturing costs were unsustainable, we finally got to the point of choosing between shutting down the company or somehow reducing the costs. I kept the shape of the sharp head of the shaft exactly the same, but re-designed the blades into four separate rings of blades instead of 4 rotations of a spiral design. I was then able to move the rows of blades apart to exactly the distance I had originally called for.

This created less torque during manufacture, so I was also able to make the central shaft within the blades even thinner, giving even more room to collect tobacco. The outer diameter of the blades is identical, but the depth between the outer diameter of the blades and the inner shaft diameter is greater, and the distance between the rows of blades is greater – resulting in more effectiveness to collect tobacco.

I also made the shaft ¼” longer. Some customers suggested more length of the shaft, but of course I wanted this to be as compact and portable as possible. Now, with ¼” additional length, going by the length of a Churchill cigar, if the plug or knot is dead-center, when approaching the knot from both ends, the shaft overlaps enough in the center to be very effective at clearing the knot.

The vast majority of customers indicated that they do not put the PerfecDraw in their pocket, and instead keep it with their cutters and lighters in some sort of kit.

The only real complaint with the first version was the cost of $39.95. Many told me not to worry about that because it was worth every cent. That’s nice, but still, this was a very, very common complaint. Yet, even at $39.95 the overhead was unsustainable. So when redesigning, lowering the cost was a primary goal.

Since very, very few used the pocket clip, that was the first thing to go. The pocket clip was responsible for a sizable portion of manufacturing cost. It involved three separate pieces (the pocket clip, the cap to hold the clip in, and a bushing to hold the cap on), plus the cost of assembling the pieces.

The sharpness and angles of the blades, as well as the three longitudinal “tobacco pulling channels” has not changed at all. The materials are exactly the same – surgical 304 stainless steel shaft, aerospace grade 6061-T aluminum housing with 25 micron deep anodized hard coat.

I had prototypes made, and was very happy that I personally felt the new design worked even better, and I had about a dozen other fans of the PerfecDraw try the prototypes, and each one said they liked it too.

When we received the new manufacturing design, which was very close to when we would have gone into backorder, I immediately lowered the price by 25%, from $39.95 down to $29.95. The sales indeed did go up quickly, so then a week ago after making many calculations and predictions, I determined that $24.95 would be a breakeven number. That is about a 37% lower price. My goal is to get the PerfecDraw “out there”, so profit is not a concern at this time. And I believe that at $24.95, we will no longer lose money.

So to read your reaction has taken me back quite a bit to say the least.

When the new manufacturing batch arrived with the new design, I carefully inspected 200 of them taken randomly from different boxes we received. I found no problems at all, so I’m wondering what you mean when you say that the shafts no longer quite fit in the sleeve correctly. Can you please explain what this means? Also, I don’t understand what you mean when you say that there are sharp edges on the cap when you close it. Do you mean there are burs of metal sticking out? I certainly have not seen anything like that.

I’m very happy to provide a full refund for you. I can have my staff email you a return shipping label. All you need to do is to put the 4 PerfecDraws into the original boxes (I assume you still have the white boxes) and use the return shipping label to ship them back to us. We will even pay for the postage to return them. Upon receipt we will immediately make a full refund.

I am anxious to see exactly what you are referring to regarding the shafts not fitting the sleeves and the sharp edges on the caps (I assume you mean the handles) when we receive them.

Thanks Adam.

Very best regards,

Rod



Dr. Rod Kurthy
Founder/CEO
Perfec Cigar Solutions, Inc.
Home of the PerfecDraw®
5 Vanderbilt
Irvine, CA 92618
Email: Rod@PerfecCigarSolutions.com
(949) 636-7055
Fax: (949) 713-0919
www.PerfecDraw.com

[bonjing]

Wonder if the amazon one are the older design?

[T.G]

Thanks, OTA.

I was just looking at some early reviews to see photos of the older one and the differences you had mentioned. The spiral design was one of them. Having some training and experience at fabricating custom parts, I can see how the problems he describes during machining could be accurate for cutting a steep thread on a tiny diameter.

The hex head doesn't bother me, I hardly feel it with all the calluses on my hands/fingers anyway.

I'm not crazy about the fitment of the rod to the cap though. It's only a few degrees off, but over the length of the shaft, it amounts to enough to blow out the side of a cigar when clearing near the outer edge, especially with narrow gauge cigars.

And one was just bent, like someone tried to bend it straight between their thumbs.

I'll probably go with my original plan to true these up in the shop and give them a shot...

Now I need to go check the glue and see if they still have four stainless bearings in there for mixing or if that was dropped to three. lol.

[T.G]

Wonder if the amazon one are the older design?

The photos are of the newer ones, but with FBA, who knows how old their stock actually is.

[icehog3]

I guess I am really glad Adam gifted me an original, this thing is the shiznit.

[Ashcan Bill]

I picked up one of the new versions last week and tried it last night on a Upmann that just wasn't drawing right. Mine is the new design and having never used the old design I'm not sure what the functional difference is. I will say it worked way beyond my expectations. Over the years I've tried rods, sticks, drill bits and all manner of things without much success. This little guy worked without splitting the wrapper or otherwise damaging the cigar, turning a marginally smoke producing cigar into an enjoyable smoke. Well worth the money. :tu

[markem]

I guess I am really glad Adam gifted me an original, this thing is the shiznit.

The one Adam hit me, well okay the dogs, with is the original as well. I like the round design. It is also the most fantastically easy to use tool when you want to remove small bits of tobacco to get through the plug. Most tools only push the material to the side, which risks the wrapper.

Best draw tool that I have ever used. Thanks, Bucky.

[AdamJoshua]

The one Adam hit me, well okay the dogs, with is the original as well. I like the round design. It is also the most fantastically easy to use tool when you want to remove small bits of tobacco to get through the plug. Most tools only push the material to the side, which risks the wrapper.

Best draw tool that I have ever used. Thanks, Bucky.

My pleasure and Tia is a good girl, I knew she would share!

[markem]

My pleasure and Tia is a good girl, I knew she would share!

Tia just asked me when you would come visit. She likes your head scratches.

[hwgoesit]

I’ve got both the new and old design perfecdraw. They are both by far the best tools I have used since I started smoking over 20 years ago. I recently received the new design and find it works as good, if not better than the original design. It seems more robustly manufactured as well. You can’t go wrong with this tool. For $25, it will pay for itself many times over

[BHK-J]

Perfect draw and all tchotchke from their site. Great stuff.

[hwgoesit]

https://www.hwiebe.com/store/c10/Cigar_Accessories.html

I have a slightly used Redeemer I’ll sell for $50 plus shipping. PM if interested

[hwgoesit]

Er no not at all, I just bought a couple of the $25 ones, got them a couple days ago and havent even opened the box yet, when i go i'll check them out ... someone said they also changed the handle part, it used to be round. The american way, you make some money and right away you figure out how to do it cheaper and faster and fvck your reputation

Will be sending this b!tches right back

I have both the old and new. I much prefer the new one. The barbs are lined up rather than offset from one another. The new one grabs more tobacco and I found does a better job unplugging. It’s jist a little longer, but is noticeable.
The hex cap prevents the tool from rolling around. Previously the pocket clip served that function. I don’t wear a pocket protector anymore, so the clip is not that useful for me.

[SurfnSafari]

I own the PerfecDraw Cigar C.P.R Tool, it is one of the Cigar Accessories that actually does as advertised. Bought mine in early 2018 when the price dropped to under 25.00.

I also bought a bottle of PerfecRepair Cigar Glue another product that works as advertised.

Tip I will share if your PerfecDraw Tool get tabacco bit stuck in the teeth/blades a brushing with a soft-dry new tooth brush, will clean the blade/teeth as easy as pie.

Use a dedicate toothbrush for cleaning your PerfecDraw Tool, they are inexpensive.

JMHO

[markem]

I own the PerfecDraw Cigar C.P.R Tool, it is one of the Cigar Accessories that actually does as advertised. Bought mine in early 2018 when the price dropped to under 25.00.

I also bought a bottle of PerfecRepair Cigar Glue another product that works as advertised.

Tip I will share if your PerfecDraw Tool get tabacco bit stuck in the teeth/blades a brushing with a soft-dry new tooth brush, will clean the blade/teeth as easy as pie.

Use a dedicate toothbrush for cleaning your PerfecDraw Tool, they are inexpensive.

JMHO

I'm with you on the PD. Amazing tool. An excellent nubbing tool as well. I've had good luck with just blowing on the tool or using a finger nail to get off stuck tobacco, but it is good to know your technique as well. If I am at a friend's maybe I can find a toothbrush to use. :banger

[SurfnSafari]

I'm with you on the PD. Amazing tool. An excellent nubbing tool as well. I've had good luck with just blowing on the tool or using a finger nail to get off stuck tobacco, but it is good to know your technique as well. If I am at a friend's maybe I can find a toothbrush to use. :banger


Suggestion is Wally-World, as they have cheap toothbrushes, that in the longrun cost way less, then the cost of lost friends.:)

[SurfnSafari]

Got an e-mail from Dr. Rod's it inventor couple of days ago, he won, he went to Germany to the announcement ceremony.

So IMHO this is an Accessory that works as advertised, not just a lot of noise, but no bank for the buck.

Www.perfecdraw.com

If you thought about a Cigar C.P.R. Tool this one saves plugged, and over pack stick. Still on sale. Crummy screen shot below of the e-mail I got, but better then zero. FYI

PerfecDraw is the winner of Cigar Journal's "2018 Best Cigar Accessory of 2018" Award. :noon. Very Cool to be voted best of best.

[markem]

perfecdraw is the gold standard. The early one with the round handle is the collectors item. I use it every day. And I smoke almost every day.

[T.G]

perfecdraw is the gold standard. The early one with the round handle is the collectors item. I use it every day. And I smoke almost every day.

Wow. Your cigars must all be f-ed up to need it that often, Mr. Mark...

Feel free to send them to me for pedestrian disposal.

[markem]

Wow. Your cigars must all be f-ed up to need it that often, Mr. Mark...

Feel free to send them to me for pedestrian disposal.

It is also a nub tool.

[T.G]

It is also a nub tool.

Didn't realize you liked Nicaraguan cigars that much...

[markem]

Didn't realize you liked Nicaraguan cigars that much...

There is a reason why you are still single.

[T.G]

There is a reason why you are still single.

Yes, but that isn't it.

[icehog3]

I use it every day. And I smoke almost every day.

What do you use it for on the days you don't smoke? :confused: :r

[SurfnSafari]

Well I was think last night wehen I could not sleep so good, as I had just got a Second Set in the mail yesterday. PerfecDraw Tool, and Perfect Repair. The inventor apprently update his long placing a color band with trademark logo at the foot of the barrel that hold the instrument. With the Hex-Hand and the Band I said self, this look like a Migicians Wand. Might just be that as the PerfecDraw work Magic to Cigar that are plugged, tight, or do not draw. It is a pleasure enhancer.

Honestly if you have not check out this product, do yourself a favor. Visit the web-site, check out the U-tubes, then see if it something you want, and need.


Www.perfecdraw.com


IMHO their is nothing on the market like it, it might be under priced, when you consider the Cigar that will not be trashed, but saved.

It share a common word in it name in two product I lover Cuban Crafter Perfect Cutter, & PerfecDraw Cigar Tool. PERFECT is the the right word IMHO

[icehog3]

I've never been the inventor of a draw tool, but I played one on TV.

[hotreds]

So you stayed at a Holiday Inn Express?

[SurfnSafari]

So you stayed at a Holiday Inn Express?

I don't fly, I don't go no where, I most stay at home. I enjoy simple things like Popeye's Chicken, a Cold beer, a Great Cigar, and apprieciate things that work as advertised.

Someday people will realize there are 4 things in life money can not buy, most of the other toys are not important.

Cigars are one of the things I will buy that give me pleasure. Cigars are simple, smoke what makes you happy, it not about the cost, it's about the experience.:noon

[hotreds]

Money can't buy happiness- but it can make misery more enjoyable!

[SurfnSafari]

Money can't buy happiness- but it can make misery more enjoyable!

Real

Health, if you have good health be happy. Think of people who were loaded with money, but modern medicine could not save em.

Time, can not retrieve the last minute, or any period of time.

Happiness can not be bought, toy are just that. Thing might make you happy but that's not happiness.

Love, true love not a night of lust, or?

If you have those 4 your lucky.

[Ashcan Bill]

Well, money bought my draw tool. And my draw tool makes me happy. :D

[SurfnSafari]

IMHO the only reason every B & M doesn't sell the PerfecDraw, it tought to tell someone a $20.00 Cigar might need some help.

Cigar are made by people, people are not perfect, and I know some manufactures do draw tests in the factory. But as you start smoking Tabacco get hot, it expands, air flow decreases, and sometime a Cigar needs just a little help.

I personally use what I call a pleasure enhancer on 40-50% of my cigar. Why is make for a better experience.

JMHO