Need some Help for closet/walkin Humi Wine Storage

[SilverFox]

To all my crafty inmates out there. I have just begun the preliminary planning for my combo wine cellar/humi. It will be a walkin (think closet) style I only say walk in cause it will have a door and enough room to stand in.

I have a strange nook (for lack of a better word) in my basement.

It is a triangular nook in the outside wall of my basement that measures 48 by 48 with a 64" base (the Triangle) the height is 78". This will give me 100 cubic feet of storage space interior (98.27 but lets call it 100)

I won't need cooling as it sits on an outside wall and my house is air conditioned, if it goes below 65 I don't have an issue with that.

My base plans are at this point to put wine cubes on the bottom third to half enough for approximately 200 bottles. ( I have researched carefully and wine and cigars are stored and aged at the same conditions so this is a good idea - well at least to me) something like this

http://i247.photobucket.com/albums/gg158/silverfox67/Walkin%20Humi/7820_reg.jpg?t=1231007754

From there I am thinking one row of singles drawers along this idea but with spacers for sizing the drawers will have to be near the front or they won't open this is a bit of an issue I haven't got figured out as yet based on the triangular prism shape of things. Ideas here would be appreciated.

http://s247.photobucket.com/albums/gg158/silverfox67/Walkin%20Humi/?action=view&current=110303cc.jpg

Then I would like to put 2 rows of display shelves for open boxes. Something along the below. Couple questions here, I am assuming that I don't have to worry about cross contamination if I keep the boxes open and that it won't hurt the cigars for the boxes to be open assuming conditions are kept up.

http://i247.photobucket.com/albums/gg158/silverfox67/Walkin%20Humi/bedneys03.jpg?t=1231008126

The next shelf will be the storage shelf for closed and extra boxes. That will be stacked so these will be straight shelves that I can pile boxes on.

For lighting I am going to go with LED's, nice and bright and no heat plus low power usage.

For humidity I am thinking that the following from Aristocrat will suit my needs

http://www.aristocrathumidors.com/S&F-700%20002-375.jpg

For air movement I was thinking a small ceiling fan like this

It is UL listed for damp locations has a 19 inch diameter and is speed adjustable.

http://www.farreys.com/i/ceiling_fans_fanimation/2006/lg/fph210bl-fph81bl.jpg

I will panel the interior with Spanish Cedar and the shelves will all be spanish cedar as well. I don't know if I will varnish any of the surfaces or not, maybe drawer fronts and shelf ledges again thoughts.

Given the unique shape and my desire to get it right the planning is key in this one. Any ideas on the drawers or something I have forgotten would be appreciated.

I am hoping to start this in February.

[markem]

You have a small walkin that will have a door and nothing inside is visible from the outside, right?

I'd do wrap around open shelves above the open wine boxes. For singles, I'd get a couple regular humidors and store them on the shelves. Make sure that the shelves are deep enough so you can leave an air gap in the back (don't have the boxes touch the walls). This will aid in circulation.

I'd probably also put a couple small fans on the floor, pointed up at an angle. This will help to reduce dead zones where mold can form.

Keep it simple, especially for now. You can add fancy stuff later.

[ahc4353]

Email sent

[SilverFox]

You have a small walkin that will have a door and nothing inside is visible from the outside, right?

I'd do wrap around open shelves above the open wine boxes. For singles, I'd get a couple regular humidors and store them on the shelves. Make sure that the shelves are deep enough so you can leave an air gap in the back (don't have the boxes touch the walls). This will aid in circulation.

I'd probably also put a couple small fans on the floor, pointed up at an angle. This will help to reduce dead zones where mold can form.

Keep it simple, especially for now. You can add fancy stuff later.

Nope the door will be a 28 inch french door mostly glass, so it needs to look good too.

[JE3146]

Nope the door will be a 28 inch french door mostly glass, so it needs to look good too.


With your collection, it could be particle board shelving hung with crazy glue and still look good :D




Draw out a birds eye schematic with some dimensions :)

[ahc4353]

Lol. #2 is right on with that comment!

Put a motion switch for the lights. Ur to cool to flip a switch. :D

[icurrie]

Lol. #2 is right on with that comment!

Put a motion switch for the lights. Ur to cool to flip a switch. :D


You could actually put in an "in-hinge" light switch so when you open the door the light comes on. Maybe some 24hr mood lighting for effect?
Just my :2

[ahc4353]

Thought about that but wouldn't the light go off when he closes the door as not to lose humidity?

[Agent11br]

Just a thought, but if you are going to have to stud it out at all (a simple drawing would be helpful if you could whip one up) I'd try and run some small ducting channels behind the paneling to circulate more air. Use computer fans linked together on one or two circuits (heck you could just rig an old computer power supply to a bunch of them) and have that plugged into an electronic timer.

I'd also get a nice wireless or remote electric hygrometer & temperature device so you can have a read-out LCD panel on the outside by the door for easy monitoring. I'd also make sure that all the electrical switches and whatnot for fans, lighting, etc. were on the outside of the room again for easy access.

[SilverFox]

Just a thought, but if you are going to have to stud it out at all (a simple drawing would be helpful if you could whip one up) I'd try and run some small ducting channels behind the paneling to circulate more air. Use computer fans linked together on one or two circuits (heck you could just rig an old computer power supply to a bunch of them) and have that plugged into an electronic timer.

I'd also get a nice wireless or remote electric hygrometer & temperature device so you can have a read-out LCD panel on the outside by the door for easy monitoring. I'd also make sure that all the electrical switches and whatnot for fans, lighting, etc. were on the outside of the room again for easy access.

That one went straight into the planning notebook.

[ahc4353]

Not only does this guy have a great avatar but some great ideas as well!

Tip of the hat to you sir Rep on the way!

Just a thought, but if you are going to have to stud it out at all (a simple drawing would be helpful if you could whip one up) I'd try and run some small ducting channels behind the paneling to circulate more air. Use computer fans linked together on one or two circuits (heck you could just rig an old computer power supply to a bunch of them) and have that plugged into an electronic timer.

I'd also get a nice wireless or remote electric hygrometer & temperature device so you can have a read-out LCD panel on the outside by the door for easy monitoring. I'd also make sure that all the electrical switches and whatnot for fans, lighting, etc. were on the outside of the room again for easy access.

[Agent11br]

Thanks ahc4353 and SilverFox, glad I could help!

[SilverFox]

I am working on the drawing, just slow, three kids, painting the house, working like crazy means slooooow planning. But that is ok I am not in a rush and I want it done right. I will post some pics of the recess in the wall as well as the drawing in the coming days. I appreciate all the thoughts. I am going to add some shelves to the interior front wall where the door is to store my scotch as well (Idea courtesy of Al)

[dunng]

[I am going to add some shelves to the interior front wall where the door is to store my scotch as well (Idea courtesy of Al)

You mean Scotchy? :al

(not surprised...)

[SilverFox]

Scotchy Scotch Scotch ............... me likey

[HK3-]

Sounds like a cool project.

Rember when doing a small area, LED lighting is key because it doesn't produce heat.

Heat + Wine and Cigars = Disaster.

[shilala]

Can't wait to see what your area looks like, Shawn.
The main thing I'd do is add a vapor barrier so I could keep my humidity in.
Plastic behind the drywall would do. If the space is in the basement where the walls are cold you could have some serious condensation issues if you don't plan for it. :tu
This is gonna be fun, I can tell. :)

[SilverFox]

Hey Scott,

Main walls (outside walls are all sealed) the front wall is not built as yet but I was planning on insulating and vapor barrier anyway (insulation just to prevent large temp swings not that I ever have any) and the vapor barrier to keep the RH in. I am hoping that paneling in spanish cedar will help prevent any condensation issues.

I have not thought on the floor yet but I am thinking of just using rubberized flooring.

I have started a rough up on a 3D modeling software, more for conceptual than actual measured. I will do the actual on paper (I am old school that way)

I wouldn't mind your input on drawers Mr Shilala, design thoughts hardware etc, that goes for all you handy inmates not just Scott.

[ahc4353]

I'm sure you had this covered but just in case......

Any metal fixtures inside the walk-in humidor (ie: door hinges, doorknobs, etc.) should be made from brass so that they do not rust or tarnish from the humidity.

[SilverFox]

I'm sure you had this covered but just in case......

Any metal fixtures inside the walk-in humidor (ie: door hinges, doorknobs, etc.) should be made from brass so that they do not rust or tarnish from the humidity.

Nope didn't think of that, would brushed stainless work? I am not a brass fan

[Agent11br]

Nope didn't think of that, would brushed stainless work? I am not a brass fan

I would think anything stainless should work, I too do not like the look of brass.

[ahc4353]

I would think anything stainless should work, I too do not like the look of brass.

I don't like the Gold look as well. I agree anything SS will work.

[ahc4353]

For the floor how about some 3/4" tongue and grove mahogany - add CC cigar bands (we can start saving now for you) - add a few coats of lacquer and wa-la!

[ahc4353]

OR, do you know someone who could draw your favorite band on the hardwood and then paint it? Smother it in lacquer as well so it won't wear off.

[SilverFox]

For the floor how about some 3/4" tongue and grove mahogany - add CC cigar bands (we can start saving now for you) - add a few coats of lacquer and wa-la!


LOL, My wife would kill me if I put hardwood in there before doing the upstairs.........Although I love the idea. That might have to go in later.

On another note I need to speed up the building I think I am going to be out of storage room again. 2 Vinos and a Cooler are now full to the brim. Gonna break out the 75 count and season it for singles.

[ahc4353]

LOL, My wife would kill me if I put hardwood in there before doing the upstairs.........Although I love the idea. That might have to go in later.

On another note I need to speed up the building I think I am going to be out of storage room again. 2 Vinos and a Cooler are now full to the brim. Gonna break out the 75 count and season it for singles.

Come on, you are talking about 11 sq feet of floor space. Grow a set and put it in now! You won't add it later and even IF you do you can't put the lacquer down as that will get in your smokes.

Time to man up!

[Agent11br]

OR, do you know someone who could draw your favorite band on the hardwood and then paint it? Smother it in lacquer as well so it won't wear off.

That would be the sickest walk-in floor ever! You could even stencil it out and airbrush it on or get a huge vinyl cut-out before you lacquered it up :ss

[SilverFox]

Anyone know where I can get a 3 foot Cohiba Band in Vinyl?

:dr

[cort]

Anyone know where I can get a 3 foot Cohiba Band in Vinyl?

:dr

Not sure but that would be F-IN Sweet!!!!!

[SilverFox]

On shelving. I will have shelving running on both walls meeting in the back corner. How can I put up strong supported shelving without having to put ugly ass brackets in?

[MikeyC]

On shelving. I will have shelving running on both walls meeting in the back corner. How can I put up strong supported shelving without having to put ugly ass brackets in?

You want to do what is called "floating shelves." I know you can buy these shelves at many places like home improvement stores. They come pre-finished, pre-cut, and with a mounting kit. However, I'm sure if you google "floating shelves" there's probably a "how to" on making your own somewhere on the internet. I usually starty with checking DIY.net for things like this.

[ahc4353]

On shelving. I will have shelving running on both walls meeting in the back corner. How can I put up strong supported shelving without having to put ugly ass brackets in?

How wide are your shelves going to be?

[MikeyC]

Anyone know where I can get a 3 foot Cohiba Band in Vinyl?

:dr

I'm not aware of anywhere you could buy one, but I bet if you brought a band to a local sign shop they could make one for you.

[MikeyC]

OR, do you know someone who could draw your favorite band on the hardwood and then paint it? Smother it in lacquer as well so it won't wear off.

What would be a REALLY cool floor is if you just took a piece of MDF or particle board, cut it to size, nail it in place, cover it edge to edge with a collage of cigar bands, and then top it off with a THICK coat of lacquer. Pretty similar to what Al is suggesting but slightly different. Very cost effective too. You'll just need A LOT of cigar bands. Maybe instead of doing the whole floor like this you could do this in the center and put a hardwood border around the edges.

[SilverFox]

that might work, I would have to fully seal the MDF on both sides as it would absorb the moisture.

Hmmm I like this idea