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Stinky
11-20-2016, 11:39 PM
The cigar term, Stogie, has a specific definition. Stogie (or Stogy) is the American nickname for a long, skinny, UN-pressed, cheap cigar that was made in Conestoga, Pennsylvania, the center of native-leaf production in the early nineteenth century. Originally invented about 1826 by a tobacco merchant named George W. Black in Washington, Pennsylvania.

One popular myth says that it was so named because drivers of Conestoga wagons crossing the plains typically smoked them, and they were thought to resemble the spokes on a Conestoga wagon wheel. Today, "Stogie" is a somewhat derogatory term for a cheap cigar.

Last week I found an article online that was written by a self proclaimed cigar person to help new cigar smokers. Not only did the article repeatedly refer to Stogie(s) but the writing style and language was difficult to understand! LINK (https://littlechurchlv.com/las-vegas-mobile-cigar-lounge/) Please read it for yourself. I'd like to hear your opinion.

IMHO: Calling a premium cigar 'a Stogie' is inappropriate for a knowledgeable cigar enthusiast. I also avoid the term "stick" as an alternate for the word Cigar.

But, that's just my opinion because . . . I'm Stinky!

pnoon
11-21-2016, 12:11 AM
What about stogies that are ISOMs?

Wharf Rat
11-21-2016, 04:40 AM
Next, some guy will start throwing his stogie butts in a bowl and call it an ashtray. I mean, come on, everybody knows trays are flat!

nutcracker
11-21-2016, 05:55 AM
IMHO: Calling a premium cigar 'a Stogie' is inappropriate for a knowledgeable cigar enthusiast. I also avoid the term "stick" as an alternate for the word Cigar.

But, that's just my opinion because . . . I'm Stinky!

That's pretty cool - thanks Stinky! I guess come people use Stogie like a term of endearment - personally I would paraphrase, that a good cigar is a smoke!

-(P

CigarNut
11-21-2016, 06:27 AM
I've always used "stogie" to refer to the nub that's left after I'm done smoking a cigar...

T.G
11-21-2016, 09:02 AM
What about stogies that are ISOMs?

Those are sticks.

Sheez. You should know that.

dave
11-21-2016, 09:04 AM
IMHO: Calling a premium cigar 'a Stogie' is inappropriate for a knowledgeable cigar enthusiast. I also avoid the term "stick" as an alternate for the word Cigar.



I agree 100% I have always cringed at the term. In fact, as much as I love the movie, Wedding Crashers (and watch it often), I almost dread the part where Owen Wilson's character replies to Secretary Cleary's offer of a cigar with "Stogies!"

Now....on the other hand, I do occasionally use the term 'sticks'....but, for no clear reason, usually in the plural...rarely to discuss a specific cigar.

icehog3
11-21-2016, 11:36 AM
I've always used "stogie" to refer to the nub that's left after I'm done smoking a cigar...

I call those "stinkies". ;) :r

pnoon
11-21-2016, 01:20 PM
Miss-used is misused.

Just sayin'

Weelok
11-21-2016, 02:39 PM
I always assumed "Stogie" was an East Coast colloquism as I generally don't hear that word on the Left Coast.

Porch Dweller
11-21-2016, 02:40 PM
Sticks, smokes, stogies, cigars...I use them all interchangeably. If I've inadvertently offended someone by doing so...well, that doesn't bother me at all. :D

Steve
11-21-2016, 02:58 PM
Sticks, smokes, stogies, cigars...I use them all interchangeably. If I've inadvertently offended someone by doing so...well, that doesn't bother me at all. :D

:tu:tu

Political correctness creeping into the cigar world now... please, say it isn't so. SMH.

I'll keep to the creed; "smoke what you like, like what you smoke" and add, "call 'em what you want".

My $.02.

markem
11-21-2016, 03:10 PM
I think that anyone who has so much time on their hands to nitpick about out-of-date terms for stogies should get a job as a greeter at Walmart.

Language is dynamic. Terms take on new meanings. Being stuck in the past is just that.

icehog3
11-21-2016, 03:15 PM
:tu:tu

Political correctness creeping into the cigar world now... please, say it isn't so. SMH.



Suck My Humidor? :D

dave
11-21-2016, 03:21 PM
I think that anyone who has so much time on their hands to nitpick about out-of-date terms for stogies should get a job as a greeter at Walmart.

Language is dynamic. Terms take on new meanings. Being stuck in the past is just that.


I disagree. I think language is important. Dynamic, of course, but understanding nuances and perceptions is significant. At least, it can be if one wants to communicate. I'm not sure how an interest in English distinctions and variations makes them Walmart Greeter material...not that there's anything wrong with that :)

I had a botl friend that was insistent upon saying that he was 'going to enjoy a cigar' vice 'going to smoke a cigar'. He thought the distinction important. I didn't adopt his convention, but I respect it....and do use it at times.

Steve
11-21-2016, 03:32 PM
Suck My Humidor? :D

Uh...no

http://www.reactiongifs.com/r/tmimn.gif

markem
11-21-2016, 03:50 PM
I disagree. I think language is important. Dynamic, of course, but understanding nuances and perceptions is significant. At least, it can be if one wants to communicate. I'm not sure how an interest in English distinctions and variations makes them Walmart Greeter material...not that there's anything wrong with that :)

I had a botl friend that was insistent upon saying that he was 'going to enjoy a cigar' vice 'going to smoke a cigar'. He thought the distinction important. I didn't adopt his convention, but I respect it....and do use it at times.

I'm not disagreeing with you. I am, however, pointing out that if, in the common vernacular, the term 'stogie' is not associated with a particular type of wagon from the 1800s (that is considered an apocryphal story, btw) then jumping up and down insisting that everyone is wrong is kinda silly and more than out-moded.

By all means, be specific with language, but language is intended to communicate ideas and information, not be a source of pedantic argument, unless you are an editor or similar or maybe John Cleese ;). I use terms loosely in order to help insure (compare: ensure) the listener understands the meaning of my statement. I could be very tight on proper usage and insist that everyone else do same, but the goal, the communication of ideas and information, would (possibly) be lost.

btw, with your friend, the first is a proper subset of the second. Where is The Professor (a real professor of rhetoric) when you need him...

Subvet642
11-21-2016, 04:01 PM
You call it what you want; I'm callin' it a stogie!:D
http://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/rogerrabbit/images/b/bf/Babyherman.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20110524180832

croatan
11-21-2016, 04:17 PM
Where is The Professor (a real professor of rhetoric) when you need him...
Changing diapers, last I heard...

Many of us emigrated from a fabled, once great land that was partially called "Stogie". It's long gone now, but the friendships remain. And I don't give a crap what someone calls his or her cigar. Cigar smokers get a bad enough rap as it is without going out of our way to be unnecessarily pedantic.

Tio Gato
11-21-2016, 04:42 PM
bishes:<

markem
11-21-2016, 04:46 PM
You call it what you want; I'm callin' it a stogie!:D


:tpd:

Adriftpanda
11-21-2016, 04:54 PM
I call them penis

Who cares, really.

markem
11-21-2016, 05:05 PM
I call them penis

or demi-tasse in your case :noon

icehog3
11-21-2016, 05:35 PM
Cigar smokers get a bad enough rap as it is without going out of our way to be unnecessarily pedantic.

I had to look it up. :)

or demi-tasse in your case :noon

That made me laugh out loud at work. :D

markem
11-21-2016, 05:54 PM
That made me laugh out loud at work. :D

I aim to please, Huy excepted... :noon

Subvet642
11-22-2016, 04:34 PM
I call them penis

I can't that believe no one has asked the obvious question. :fp

T.G
11-22-2016, 04:37 PM
I can't that believe no one has asked the obvious question. :fp

Maduros?

Subvet642
11-22-2016, 04:40 PM
Maduros?

Candelas?

T.G
11-22-2016, 04:42 PM
Candelas?

Pretty sure you can't go back to candellas after you've had maduros.

Doctorossi
11-23-2016, 03:59 PM
You guys are fun. :r

Subvet642
11-23-2016, 04:47 PM
Pretty sure you can't go back to candellas after you've had maduros.

http://i.imgur.com/JZc1tBo.jpg

Stinky
11-23-2016, 06:48 PM
Thanks for all your candid opinions!
I hoped for some candid opinions on the article (https://littlechurchlv.com/las-vegas-mobile-cigar-lounge/)for new cigar (Stogie) smokers.

Agree:
Call it what you want. Just thought some people may want to know the true origin and meaning of the word Stogie.
Use of the term (Stogie) is one's choice and certainly conveys the thought.

Curious:
Had to look up apocryphal. Ok, why would the origin of Stogie be apocryphal? Credible sources include Lew Rothman's Book: "Cigar Almanac" . . . Patricia Cooper's Book: "Once a Cigar Maker" (historical documentation) . . . Richard Hacker's Book: "The Ultimate Cigar Book" . . . and many more, all confirm the origin and history of Stogie. Definitely not an apocryphal.

I always thought Cigar Asylum forbid nasty or insulting posts. I shared my personal opinion ("IMPO") and someone had to object with some juvenile insults! . . . then argued with opposing views from others!

The cigar world is loaded with detailed information, trivia, history, legends and traditions, as well as numerous myths & misconceptions. I just thought this is an appropriate place to discuss such topics.

It was/is never my intention to tell anyone how to speak or what words to use! That article written to inform new cigar smokers is . . . well . . . go read it and tell us what you think! I have an opinion and would like to know what you think, because . . . I'm Stinky!

icehog3
11-24-2016, 01:05 AM
Well, if I had known Dick Hacker confirmed it, I never would have tried to make light.

hotreds
11-24-2016, 07:15 AM
sticks, smokes, stogies, cigars...i use them all interchangeably. If i've inadvertently offended someone by doing so...well, that doesn't bother me at all. :d

+1765412387

The article is, in fact, a bit pedantic; I would never say "(E)vacuating the stogie’s mark" for removing the cigar band! It does require some effort to plow through! I can only imagine what their instructions for smoking a pipe would read!

kydsid
11-24-2016, 07:55 AM
Cigar smokers get a bad enough rap as it is without going out of our way to be unnecessarily pedantic.

Hey we'd have to throw out half the conversations at a herf if being pedantic wasn't allowed. :D

Porch Dweller
11-24-2016, 08:17 AM
I always thought Cigar Asylum forbid nasty or insulting posts. I shared my personal opinion ("IMPO") and someone had to object with some juvenile insults! . . . then argued with opposing views from others!

Nasty and insulting? Wow, we've got VERY different concepts of what those adjectives mean.

Porch Dweller
11-24-2016, 08:20 AM
+1765412387

The article is, in fact, a bit pedantic; I would never say "(E)vacuating the stogie’s mark" for removing the cigar band! It does require some effort to plow through! I can only imagine what their instructions for smoking a pipe would read!

"Evacuating the stogie's mark" goes far beyond pedantic and plants its flag firmly in the land of incredibly pretentious twaddle.

T.G
11-24-2016, 09:05 AM
Well, if I had known Dick Hacker confirmed it, I never would have tried to make light.

Can't argue with the Dick Hacker.

T.G
11-24-2016, 09:07 AM
Thanks for all your candid opinions!
I hoped for some candid opinions on the article (https://littlechurchlv.com/las-vegas-mobile-cigar-lounge/)for new cigar (Stogie) smokers.

Agree:
Call it what you want. Just thought some people may want to know the true origin and meaning of the word Stogie.
Use of the term (Stogie) is one's choice and certainly conveys the thought.

Curious:
Had to look up apocryphal. Ok, why would the origin of Stogie be apocryphal? Credible sources include Lew Rothman's Book: "Cigar Almanac" . . . Patricia Cooper's Book: "Once a Cigar Maker" (historical documentation) . . . Richard Hacker's Book: "The Ultimate Cigar Book" . . . and many more, all confirm the origin and history of Stogie. Definitely not an apocryphal.

I always thought Cigar Asylum forbid nasty or insulting posts. I shared my personal opinion ("IMPO") and someone had to object with some juvenile insults! . . . then argued with opposing views from others!

The cigar world is loaded with detailed information, trivia, history, legends and traditions, as well as numerous myths & misconceptions. I just thought this is an appropriate place to discuss such topics.

It was/is never my intention to tell anyone how to speak or what words to use! That article written to inform new cigar smokers is . . . well . . . go read it and tell us what you think! I have an opinion and would like to know what you think, because . . . I'm Stinky!


Inane prattle comes in multiple forms, yo.

pnoon
11-24-2016, 09:14 AM
Nasty and insulting? Wow, we've got VERY different concepts of what those adjectives mean.

:tpd:

icehog3
11-24-2016, 11:30 AM
"Evacuating the stogie's mark" goes far beyond pedantic and plants its flag firmly in the land of incredibly pretentious twaddle.

James said "twaddle". :D

Can't argue with the Dick Hacker.

Sure you can. You would just lose. :D

Tio Gato
11-24-2016, 05:34 PM
James said "twaddle". :D

I'd love to see some fine "twaddle" to refresh my memory.;)

Stinky
11-24-2016, 07:04 PM
Standing on my right to post a little cigar trivia, it's a topic worth thinking about. :dance: Still appreciate your personal opinions.

Happy Thanksgiving! :) Hope your T-Day was wonderful!

Stinky
11-24-2016, 07:06 PM
James said "twaddle". :D



Sure you can. You would just lose. :D

Made me LOL . . . good one!

icehog3
11-25-2016, 12:49 AM
You have every right, Stinky, I'm just being the devil's advocate, as usual.

Don't Mess With the Hacker! ;)

yourchoice
11-25-2016, 09:34 AM
I call them penis


or demi-tasse in your case :noon


That made me laugh out loud at work. :D

Me too! :r

Porch Dweller
11-25-2016, 04:27 PM
There's nothing wrong with "Twaddle", it's a perfectly cromulent word. :D

http://www.cigarasylum.com/vb/picture.php?albumid=944&pictureid=9042

Weelok
11-26-2016, 01:12 AM
One man's stogie is another man's Gurkha and I have proof....

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2014/08/21/heres-the-worlds-most-expensive-cigar-about-1000-and-guess-who-likes-to-smoke-them/

"That’s how Gurkha Chief Executive Officer Kaizad Hansotia explains his HMR reserve. And at $25,000 for a box, he says that averages out to about $1,000 a stogie. How’s demand? He says there’s a three year waiting list."

Steve
11-28-2016, 04:21 PM
Standing on my right to post a little cigar trivia, it's a topic worth thinking about. :dance: Still appreciate your personal opinions.

Happy Thanksgiving! :) Hope your T-Day was wonderful!

:tu:tu

BTW, no insults intended from my post,just had my fill of PC lately :)

I figure as BOTL we can all agree to disagree on some things.

T.G
11-29-2016, 12:20 AM
I figure as BOTL we can all agree to disagree on some things.

No, we can not.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kQFKtI6gn9Y

pnoon
11-29-2016, 09:50 AM
No, we can not.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kQFKtI6gn9Y

A classic!

icehog3
11-29-2016, 11:02 AM
WWDHD? :r

pnoon
11-29-2016, 11:05 AM
WWDHD? :r

I told you once!

icehog3
11-29-2016, 11:09 AM
I told you once!

Tell me once more, please. :D

T.G
11-29-2016, 11:21 AM
I told you once!

Did not.

markem
11-29-2016, 02:39 PM
Did not.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6frs86Szk_0

Subvet642
11-29-2016, 05:00 PM
No, we can not.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kQFKtI6gn9Y

:lr