2016 Poker Chips....

[Remo]

Looking at doing chips again this year but I have no idea what to do, looking for suggestions if you guys want some, thanks!

[Remo]

60 views and no ideas for a chip design :sh

[stearns]

I like to leave the creative stuff up to the creative folk

[T.G]

60 views and no ideas for a chip design :sh

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[hotreds]

OK- how about "Cigar Asylum" around the top with a smoking cigar diagonally in the middle on one side and an asylum on the other?

[pnoon]

I like to leave the creative stuff up to the creative folk

+1

[Remo]

OK- how about "Cigar Asylum" around the top with a smoking cigar diagonally in the middle on one side and an asylum on the other?

I was kind of thinking a diagonal cigar with a Cigar Asylum band of some sort.

[Chainsaw13]

Not sure it would all fit, but what about all the branches of service emblems on one side? Or, make a collectors set of each one on it's individual chip?

[jledou]

Maybe something around the Partagas factory? Something along these lines http://www.tuchmantravelguide.com/images/cuba-havana-aerial.jpg ?

Maybe a nice image of tobacco fields?

Maybe something with a simple saying alone the line of

"No politics, No religion, only friends seeking asylum"

Something along the lines of an open door to a cigar shop or humidor and a welcome to the asylum sign above the door.

[pnoon]

"No politics, No religion, only friends seeking asylum"


Sorry, Jay. Not a fan of this on our coin. :2

Now something like this may work.
"CA - Where friends seek asylum"

[T.G]

I vote for having my picture on one side. Like that dude on the quarters.

http://i.imgur.com/8PXQFnX.png

[jledou]

Sorry, Jay. Not a fan of this on our coin. :2

Now something like this may work.
"CA - Where friends seek asylum"


Yep reading back to my brain dump I would agree with you Peter that sounds better. :tu

[Weelok]

I'd like another cigar smoking zombie coin :)

[markem]

Go simple. Note that I do not endorse the following idea:

side A:
text: Cigar Asylum
position: Cigar bent along the upper edge. Asylum bent along the lower edge
graphic: an unbanded, lit cigar across the center

side B:
The box code like on the t-shirts

edge text: the url

[Steve]

A skull with crossed Monte #2s below...

:D

[Weelok]

http://i1100.photobucket.com/albums/g402/Weelok/b984acc7fa4a8eb17fca82360c1dc8f5_zpsxcyh0bdz.jpg

[icehog3]

I am not sure that zombies represent what the majority of us think of CA, with apologies to the Cigar Zombie group. :2

[nutcracker]

Asylum?? - lets do asylum!!!

Something like the zombie above, but that looks like Jack Nicholson in "One flew over the cuckoo's nest"

[WhiteMamba]

I vote for having my picture on one side. Like that dude on the quarters.

http://i.imgur.com/8PXQFnX.png

Yes

[Remo]

Asylum?? - lets do asylum!!!

Something like the zombie above, but that looks like Jack Nicholson in "One flew over the cuckoo's nest"

Done it, need a new one :tu

16367

[Weelok]

Ok, another suggestion. Soldiers through the ages and start with WW 2 so something like my favorite cigar smoking comic Sgt Rock

http://i1100.photobucket.com/albums/g402/Weelok/52cf1314bc15586039486aac15da55cf_zpsrnfp0r0l.jpg

[hotreds]

with the other side saying " Cigar Asylum: supporting the troops since 1998." around the outer edge with an asylum in the center.

[pnoon]

with the other side saying " Cigar Asylum: supporting the troops since 2008." around the outer edge with an asylum in the center.
Fixed

[hotreds]

I wanted to include our time as Club Stogie.

[nutcracker]

Sgt. Rock! Yeah - I'll take a few of those!!!!

[T.G]

Ok, another suggestion. Soldiers through the ages and start with WW 2 so something like my favorite cigar smoking comic Sgt Rock

http://i1100.photobucket.com/albums/g402/Weelok/52cf1314bc15586039486aac15da55cf_zpsrnfp0r0l.jpg

Sgt. Rock! Yeah - I'll take a few of those!!!!


If is highly likely that "SGT Rock" is protected by copyright. To use the image would require written permission from the copyright holder.

"Something like" with less visual similarities on the other hand, would be doable if you have access to an artist. Lots of people wore that uniform in WWII.

Not an attorney, but I did stay in a Holiday Inn a few years ago for SoCal.

Oh wait, that was a Marriott. You're doomed.

Feel free to use pnoon's face instead. I'm copyrighting it as we speak. Call it the "Who is PNOON?" special commemorative edition.

[AdamJoshua]

In design "usually" the rule of thumb is you want to have a 10% difference between what you steal, I mean your inspiration and the finished product.

The Other Adam

[T.G]

In design "usually" the rule of thumb is you want to have a 10% difference between what you steal, I mean your inspiration and the finished product.

The Other Adam

Why would you want to steal my copyrighted pnoon images when I offered them to you to use for free? :confused:

-The Other Other Adam

[Chainsaw13]

I am Adam!

[icehog3]

Who is pnoon?

[hotreds]

I think he's the guy they were referring to in the movie "High Noon."

[AdamJoshua]

Why would you want to steal my copyrighted pnoon images when I offered them to you to use for free? :confused:

-The Other Other Adam

Wait I had something for this, "I'm not bad I'm just drawn that way", no that wasn't it, ****. Come back to me.

[Weelok]

If is highly likely that "SGT Rock" is protected by copyright. To use the image would require written permission from the copyright holder.

"Something like" with less visual similarities on the other hand, would be doable if you have access to an artist. Lots of people wore that uniform in WWII.

Not an attorney, but I did stay in a Holiday Inn a few years ago for SoCal.

Oh wait, that was a Marriott. You're doomed.

Feel free to use pnoon's face instead. I'm copyrighting it as we speak. Call it the "Who is PNOON?" special commemorative edition.

You are absolutely correct and for the fun of it, let me contact Marvel and see if they will give me copyright permission since this is a non profit activity and a one time event.

[Weelok]

Ok I sent an email off to the Warner Bros legal dept asking them for permission to use the Sgt Rock likeness for a one time use buy on poker chips. It's actually DC Comics that owns the copyright. My experience is if there is a chance they will respond with a request for what image we want to use. If there is no hope I will get a stern two sentence reply hah

[nutcracker]

[QUOTE=T.G;2066824
"Something like" with less visual similarities on the other hand, would be doable if you have access to an artist. .[/QUOTE]

So I know a decent artist (he did my stickers and avatar for me) it would dead easy to do a more modern marine with a stogie in his mouth.

Would actually be SGT Rock, but an updated modern warrior.

[T.G]

You are absolutely correct and for the fun of it, let me contact Marvel and see if they will give me copyright permission since this is a non profit activity and a one time event.

Ok I sent an email off to the Warner Bros legal dept asking them for permission to use the Sgt Rock likeness for a one time use buy on poker chips. It's actually DC Comics that owns the copyright. My experience is if there is a chance they will respond with a request for what image we want to use. If there is no hope I will get a stern two sentence reply hah

So I know a decent artist (he did my stickers and avatar for me) it would dead easy to do a more modern marine with a stogie in his mouth.

Would actually be SGT Rock, but an updated modern warrior.


The poker chips are Mike's project, I have no more say in them than anyone else. Having actual artwork available for the decision process might be helpful but ultimately, what he chooses to go with for artwork is between him and I believe the TOE, as "Cigar Asylum" is also trademarked.

[Remo]

I am looking for ideas and a consensus of what you folks would like to see, like Adam said all ideas need ToE approval, I have an artist and a chip company and the last few group buys have been very smooth, if you would like to see some sort of troop support chip this year I think that would be cool or do a standard CA style chip and maybe a special run of troop support chips for when we do auctions :sh

[pnoon]

Ideas don't need approval. Only what you finally decide to go with.
If there are specific issues with an idea, we'll comment here. But Tom & I don't plan on vetting each and every idea posted here.

[Remo]

Ideas don't need approval. Only what you finally decide to go with.
If there are specific issues with an idea, we'll comment here. But Tom & I don't plan on vetting each and every idea posted here.

Ya, I meant final ideas :tu

[pnoon]

Ya, I meant final ideas :tu

:tu

[longknocker]

I Like The Sgt. York Look.:tu

[bobarian]

This appears to be the current copyright holder of the image posted.

http://misterbitter.deviantart.com/art/Inktober-s-Sgt-Rock-491665431

[Weelok]

Heh if someone has a clever artist we could do a Sgt Asylum and dress him in war appropriate attire meaning WW II, then Korea, then Vietnam Nam, then Desert Storm, and end with Afganistan.

That way we avoid the whole copyright thing and in fact create a site copyright Sgt Asylum????

He could look frightening close to Sgt Rock :)

[shilala]

How bout gray chips with a pic of Bubs licking his ass?
I can even get an action video right now. Should push the sales through the ROOF!!!
(Get it? ROOF is what Bubs says. When he's not licking his ass.)

[T.G]

Heh if someone has a clever artist we could do a Sgt Asylum and dress him in war appropriate attire meaning WW II, then Korea, then Vietnam Nam, then Desert Storm, and end with Afganistan.

That way we avoid the whole copyright thing and in fact create a site copyright Sgt Asylum????

He could look frightening close to Sgt Rock :)


I never realized that US soldiers did not smoke cigars prior to 1941.

Learn sumpin' new every day.

[nutcracker]

I asked a friend to draw up a concept. Post in a day or two

[shilala]

So we've gone nowhere with the Bub's ass issue concept?

[pnoon]

So we've gone nowhere with the Bub's ass issue concept?

Affirmative.

It's Cigar Asylum - not Cigar Ass-ylum. ;)

[dijit]

While I have no artistic input I am most interested in the chips especially if there is a military commemorative one

[hotreds]

I never realized that US soldiers did not smoke cigars prior to 1941.

Learn sumpin' new every day.

what am I missing? Of course they did.

[AdamJoshua]

This appears to be the current copyright holder of the image posted.

http://misterbitter.deviantart.com/art/Inktober-s-Sgt-Rock-491665431

of course since he is posting things that are other people's work … minus the artistic license.

http://pre01.deviantart.net/5394/th/pre/i/2014/296/d/4/inktober_with_bane__by_misterbitter-d83ukno.jpg

[nutcracker]

A doodle image will be available in a day or so for comments....

[dijit]

what am I missing? Of course they did.

Only the really tough ones

[Weelok]

Only the really tough ones

The real men smoked cigars! The girly men lit the cigars for the real men. The morale of this story is your either smoking a cigar or your lighting cigars. Your choice of course.

[nutcracker]

Reno and all inmates. Here is a sample. If you like the concept we will detail/ modify as desired.

Here Is the general concept:
http://i1369.photobucket.com/albums/ag202/neil_berrington/Mobile%20Uploads/image_zpsuqtwucbm.jpg (http://s1369.photobucket.com/user/neil_berrington/media/Mobile%20Uploads/image_zpsuqtwucbm.jpg.html)

[AdamJoshua]

A bit cyborgish with the light and camera and I'm guessing a mic / comm support. Personally I like the old school WWII look...but then I'll buy a shitload of them no matter what. :D :lr

[Weelok]

Modern warfare look is good. I'm with Adam on feeling nostalgic and WW II but in the end, I like the troop theme.

[pnoon]

I agree with Adam and Dave.
For my :2, I think the smoke looks more like a cigarette than a cigar.

[nutcracker]

OK - so lose the headlight, beef up the cigar.
Concept?

[longknocker]

Ok, another suggestion. Soldiers through the ages and start with WW 2 so something like my favorite cigar smoking comic Sgt Rock

http://i1100.photobucket.com/albums/g402/Weelok/52cf1314bc15586039486aac15da55cf_zpsrnfp0r0l.jpg

Still Favor Something Similar To This.:tu

[CigarNut]

Still Favor Something Similar To This.:tu

I agree with Greg.

[nutcracker]

How about a guy like this then? Swap out cigarette for big cigar.

http://www.ww2gyrene.org/boot_camp.htm

[hotreds]

The more I think about it, the more I realize that we need to make our own! I was thinking about Churchill or US Grant- but I'm sure their visages are also copyrighted!

[Weelok]

The more I think about it, the more I realize that we need to make our own! I was thinking about Churchill or US Grant- but I'm sure their visages are also copyrighted!

The images themselves aren't but the picture might be. I think since we don't "profit" from the images and just use them for a hobby if you will, most likely we can do whatever we want butI am no lawyer.

Most likely we are below radar and concern. I can ask some lawyer friends but they don't specialize in copyright or patents so they would just be a slightly better opinion then myself.

Maybe Warner Bros will respond and a CEO will want to talk cigars? Could happen hah.

[CRIMPS]

:po

[Weelok]

Ok, here is the legal side. Summary, as long as we don't profit from the image, we can pretty much do whatever we want.

http://info.legalzoom.com/profit-vs-nonprofit-copyright-laws-fair-use-issues-20396.html

Profit and Remedies

If your use of a copyrighted work is found to be an infringement, a variety of legal remedies are available to the copyright holder. If the copyright was registered with the U.S. Copyright Office before you infringed it, or within three months of its publication, you may be fined between $750 and $150,000 per act of infringement at the discretion of the court. The fact that you profited from the work might lead a court to assess a higher damage award against you. If the copyright was not registered in time, the court may still order you to turn over all of your profits to the copyright holder. If your use was for non-profit purposes and the work was not registered, the copyright holder must prove that he suffered actual damages from your use to win a judgment. It is often quite difficult to prove damages in copyright infringement cases when the infringing party did not profit from his use of the copyrighted material.

The nonprofit angle is often used by YouTube gamer commentaries when in game audio includes music that is trademarked. If you do not profit, Sony can't cause your video to be removed however, if you turn on advertising and profit, then Sony can make claims to the audio if it can meet some threshold above Fair Use which YouTube gives to Sony upon any claim. So video game reviewers have taken to removing music audio tracks if possible if they intend to profit from the review. Conversely, Twitch TV streams the actual content as it's being played and hasn't run afoul of Sony I presume because the stream isn't saved just broadcast.

Summary, we can do whatever we want, have at it.

[T.G]

Ok, here is the legal side. Summary, as long as we don't profit from the image, we can pretty much do whatever we want.

http://info.legalzoom.com/profit-vs-nonprofit-copyright-laws-fair-use-issues-20396.html

Profit and Remedies

If your use of a copyrighted work is found to be an infringement, a variety of legal remedies are available to the copyright holder. If the copyright was registered with the U.S. Copyright Office before you infringed it, or within three months of its publication, you may be fined between $750 and $150,000 per act of infringement at the discretion of the court. The fact that you profited from the work might lead a court to assess a higher damage award against you. If the copyright was not registered in time, the court may still order you to turn over all of your profits to the copyright holder. If your use was for non-profit purposes and the work was not registered, the copyright holder must prove that he suffered actual damages from your use to win a judgment. It is often quite difficult to prove damages in copyright infringement cases when the infringing party did not profit from his use of the copyrighted material.

The nonprofit angle is often used by YouTube gamer commentaries when in game audio includes music that is trademarked. If you do not profit, Sony can't cause your video to be removed however, if you turn on advertising and profit, then Sony can make claims to the audio if it can meet some threshold above Fair Use which YouTube gives to Sony upon any claim. So video game reviewers have taken to removing music audio tracks if possible if they intend to profit from the review. Conversely, Twitch TV streams the actual content as it's being played and hasn't run afoul of Sony I presume because the stream isn't saved just broadcast.

Summary, we can do whatever we want, have at it.


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Also bear in mind that the company manufacturing the poker chips will be making a profit, so using an image without permission potentially puts them at risk. Your you tube example is not applicable since there are no tangible, physical goods involved, and no third party making a profit.

[bonjing]

How about a limited run of the ToE. A limited number of each chip with one of the ToE's picture on each chip :D

Sorry ToE's, I just woke up :r

[hotreds]

Hafta agree with Adam. The TOE will have to make the final decision, but in the litigious society we live in we need to tread carefully when using images of people or cartoons/drawings. Even if I take a picture of a guy re-enacting a German General- if I want to profit from that picture I would need his permission. That is why some photogs have model releases in their camera bags. Ideally we have one of the talented folks here draw a soldier and use that depiction on the coin. I doubt a small group like ours has anything to worry about and IF we were "found out" we'd probably simply get a "cease and desist" order, but why even tempt fate? Let's go with our own design.

[Adriftpanda]

How about a limited run of the ToE. A limited number of each chip with one of the ToE's picture on each chip :D

Sorry ToE's, I just woke up :r

They may have to throw Peters chip in the clearance aisle. :)

[pnoon]

How about a limited run of the ToE. A limited number of each chip with one of the ToE's picture on each chip :D

Sorry ToE's, I just woke up :r
You get a pass, buddy.
They may have to throw Peters chip in the clearance aisle. :)
You, on the other hand. :fu2

[icehog3]

How would we ever get a picture of Tyr since we never see him? ;)

[T.G]

They may have to throw Peters chip in the clearance aisle. :)

I copyrighted Peter's image a few days ago and I find that unacceptable.

A BOGO would be ok by me though.

[pnoon]

Sure. But which one of the many Photochops of me would you use? There are easily a dozen viable choices. Can you say "Commemorative Set"? :=:

[AdamJoshua]

Or we could just email the artist and ask him to use the image, let him know it's not for profit, they are just commemorative and are traded back and forth between the members, maybe toss him a cigar or two if he's interested, I don't think it's a huge deal and worth asking. I'm sure there's a contact link on that site is anyone here a member of Deviant?

[Weelok]

Also bear in mind that the company manufacturing the poker chips will be making a profit, so using an image without permission potentially puts them at risk. Your you tube example is not applicable since there are no tangible, physical goods involved, and no third party making a profit.

You bring up an interesting point however I stand by my assertion that it's a non-profit activity since the company making the chips makes profit from the chips themselves and not from any artwork etc we ask them to use. The same could be said for publishers of others works as well as T-Shirt companies who provide a service to the owners of the images but don't actually profit from the copywrited material and instead profit from the service.

So back to my assertion, we can use the images as long as it's not for profit for ourselves. And even more so if it's a one time activity and on a limited run.

[pnoon]

Unless folks posting here practice copyright/patent law (and can offer solid advice), I am inclined to avoid any possible issues - no matter how strong the assertions or "potential" lack of risk.

[nutcracker]

So my mate Jon (who did the soldier guy I posted) can draw just about anything. So with some generic guidelines, he'll whip us up some samples.

I'll ask him to do a few military theme subjects - concept sketches first.

[pnoon]

So my mate Jon (who did the soldier guy I posted) can draw just about anything. So with some generic guidelines, he'll whip us up some samples.

I'll ask him to do a few military theme subjects - concept sketches first.

:tu

Thanks, Neil.

[WhiteMamba]

A Mountie with a cigar hanging from his mouth? It could be a regional release

[T.G]

Sure. But which one of the many Photochops of me would you use? There are easily a dozen viable choices. Can you say "Commemorative Set"? :=:

I like this one

http://i.imgur.com/dVUgYkD.jpg

[icehog3]

Eye bleach, please.

Neil, thanks for your help on this. :tu

[Weelok]

My wife agreed to whip up something as well. What format does the poker chip company require? .bmp, .jpg, .tiff?

[Remo]

My wife agreed to whip up something as well. What format does the poker chip company require? .bmp, .jpg, .tiff?

Just a pic

[shilala]

Affirmative.

It's Cigar Asylum - not Cigar Ass-ylum. ;)

Ahhhhhh.

:lr

[hotreds]

A Mountie with a cigar hanging from his mouth? It could be a regional release

"Exclusivo Canada!"

[Weelok]

Ok here is what the wife whipped up. The background is the Asylum used from the image on a previous coin. The mug is myself so only my Mom can claim copyright.

The cigar is unbranded and would be hard to see. I think it was a AJ Frrnandez The Bull.

The idea for the other side would be dog tags with Cigar on one and Asylum in the other.

http://i1100.photobucket.com/albums/g402/Weelok/F34159A3-9CBF-4DA8-AC86-FFFB588BEF48_zps8cg4nmh0.jpg (http://s1100.photobucket.com/user/Weelok/media/F34159A3-9CBF-4DA8-AC86-FFFB588BEF48_zps8cg4nmh0.jpg.html)

[n3uka]

I hold the copyright to this shot
http://i1333.photobucket.com/albums/w624/dolchak/image_zpse6tbezs7.jpeg (http://s1333.photobucket.com/user/dolchak/media/image_zpse6tbezs7.jpeg.html)
Just need to get the badass in the pictures permission:D

[pnoon]

:tu

[T.G]

I hold the copyright to this shot
http://i1333.photobucket.com/albums/w624/dolchak/image_zpse6tbezs7.jpeg (http://s1333.photobucket.com/user/dolchak/media/image_zpse6tbezs7.jpeg.html)
Just need to get the badass in the pictures permission:D

:tu:tu:tu

[nutcracker]

Here's Jon's latest. Sorry about the stain - I stood on it with my snow covered boots when I stepped into my office this morning. (He had slipped it under the door)
Concept sketch:

http://i1369.photobucket.com/albums/ag202/neil_berrington/a982ce78-751e-46b0-b117-e50416c50512_zpsteavyliw.jpg (http://s1369.photobucket.com/user/neil_berrington/media/a982ce78-751e-46b0-b117-e50416c50512_zpsteavyliw.jpg.html)

[Sooner]

I know I am a new guy here, and haven't been involved with this forum long, but this sounds like a cool thing. So I'll take my chances and make a suggestion.

What if Side A had the American Flag and a thanks to our troops, or something about supporting them and Side B have a Person with a Hannibal like mask smoking a cigar through the mask, with the name Cigar over and Asylum under the image on side B.

[T.G]

Neil, nice work by your friend. I like the slight lightheartedness it brings.


Jordan, just fyi, the crazy guy motif was already done a few years ago. http://www.cigarasylum.com/vb/showpost.php?p=2066746&postcount=20

[Sooner]

Neil, nice work by your friend. I like the slight lightheartedness it brings.


Jordan, just fyi, the crazy guy motif was already done a few years ago. http://www.cigarasylum.com/vb/showpost.php?p=2066746&postcount=20

Gotcha, For some reason when I was reading through the thread before posting, that was one of about 3 pictures that didn't show up.

[Remo]

16474

How about something like this? Then on the other side a set of dog tags that has "Cigar Asylum" on one and "Supporting the troops since 2008" on the other?

[dijit]

16474

How about something like this? Then on the other side a set of dog tags that has "Cigar Asylum" on one and "Supporting the troops since 2008" on the other?

I like it

[Remo]

Gonna lower the dog tags a bit and darken them, kind of looks like a scout neckerchief.