Tom Brady

[Porch Dweller]

And meanwhile, as people still obsess over this ridiculousness, Adrian Pederson reported to training camp and was greeted with cheers (http://www.startribune.com/fans-cheer-adrian-peterson-as-the-vikings-report-for-camp/318537741/). Really, cheers? Of course, he didn't do anything as offensive as tampering with footballs, he only whipped a four-year old boy so savagely on the legs, buttocks, genitals, and thighs that six hours after the beating the wounds were still seeping blood. But hey, that son-of-a-gun can run with a football really well, so who cares...

[Dave128]

No. I would not want Brady on my team. He's good, but he carries way too much baggage. Besides, to second a previous comment, my QB has already beaten him in 2 Super Bowls.

[Stephen]

For all those who say Brady's reputation is done; would you trade your QB for him right now? If not, why?
Nope. Because we have bar none the best quarterback in the league leading our team. :tu

[dave]

Tom Brady can use my balls.

Are your balls perfect?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xT9pygVQwgk

[dijit]

Are your balls perfect?


Mine are

[The Poet]

For all those who say Brady's reputation is done; would you trade your QB for him right now? If not, why?

I would not. I don't like dicks on my team. The stench makes me ill.

[The Poet]

And meanwhile, as people still obsess over this ridiculousness, Adrian Pederson reported to training camp and was greeted with cheers (http://www.startribune.com/fans-cheer-adrian-peterson-as-the-vikings-report-for-camp/318537741/). Really, cheers? Of course, he didn't do anything as offensive as tampering with footballs, he only whipped a four-year old boy so savagely on the legs, buttocks, genitals, and thighs that six hours after the beating the wounds were still seeping blood. But hey, that son-of-a-gun can run with a football really well, so who cares...

Do you expect Tom Brady to be greeted by boos from Pats fans? :rolleyes:

But hey, that son-of-a-lying-cheating-evidence destroyer can throw a football really well, so who cares....

[Blueface]

Do you expect Tom Brady to be greeted by boos from Pats fans? :rolleyes:

But hey, that son-of-a-lying-cheating-evidence destroyer can throw a DEFLATED football really well, so who cares....

Fixed.:noon

[icehog3]

I would not. I don't like dicks on my team. The stench makes me ill.

Please explain ARod. :r

[The Poet]

Please explain ARod. :r

Explain what? He's a dick, I don't like him on my team, and his stench makes me ill. :r

Still, he does differ from Brady in two respects. Imprimis, he has been a model citizen so far this year, and kept his mouth shut even when prodded, e.g. with the landmark bonus issue and the ballhog holding his 3000th hit hostage. Secundus, he protested a 200+ game suspension, and served the 162 game one. Brady is whining about a lousy 4 games.

[icehog3]

Explain what? He's a dick, I don't like him on my team, and his stench makes me ill. :r



Fair enough! :D

[Porch Dweller]

Do you expect Tom Brady to be greeted by boos from Pats fans? :rolleyes:
Nope. But then again, he didn't beat the ever-loving schiesse out of a kid, either. Apparently, he did something much, much worse...

I'm just not involved enough in the cult of football to get all riled up every time someone cheats (or to be more precise, to get all riled up when players from successful teams cheat). Which, for those that are naive, is pretty much every play of every game of every year.

[shilala]

If I lived next to Tom Brady, I'd ride his alligators.

[mosesbotbol]

Tom Brady will get more cheers than ever imagined when he runs out at Gillette Stadium.

[The Poet]

I don't like obfuscations and sophistry. Defending Brady by citing Peterson? Hey, Franco and Mussolini had their faults, but at least they were not Hitler. WTF? What does one have to do with the other? And none of the Brady defenders have yet addressed the issue! First they denied the balls were deflated. Then they proposed some pseudo-scientific explanations about the weather affecting the balls. Then they denied that the managers actually doctored the balls. Then they claimed that, even if they had, it was done without Brady's prompting or knowledge. Then they denied that the deflating of balls had any effect on the huge disparity of turnovers and dropped passes in relation to other teams. Then they claimed that, even if the balls were doctored, it is OK because every other team doctors theirs too. Now, with the revelation that Brady destroyed the phone which may have held the evidence to either prove or dispute the charges, they refuse to even recognize the potential significance of this destruction of evidence.

Like Brady, who would be better off if he just stood up like a man and faced the music, these fans need to face the fact that they cannot see clearly because their lips are planted permanently on Brady's hairy @$$, which totally blocks their vision.

[Blueface]

I don't like obfuscations and sophistry. Defending Brady by citing Peterson? Hey, Franco and Mussolini had their faults, but at least they were not Hitler. WTF? What does one have to do with the other? And none of the Brady defenders have yet addressed the issue! First they denied the balls were deflated. Then they proposed some pseudo-scientific explanations about the weather affecting the balls. Then they denied that the managers actually doctored the balls. Then they claimed that, even if they had, it was done without Brady's prompting or knowledge. Then they denied that the deflating of balls had any effect on the huge disparity of turnovers and dropped passes in relation to other teams. Then they claimed that, even if the balls were doctored, it is OK because every other team doctors theirs too. Now, with the revelation that Brady destroyed the phone which may have held the evidence to either prove or dispute the charges, they refuse to even recognize the potential significance of this destruction of evidence.

Like Brady, who would be better off if he just stood up like a man and faced the music, these fans need to face the fact that they cannot see clearly because their lips are planted permanently on Brady's hairy @$$, which totally blocks their vision.

I just spit a very good Sam Adams all over the place.
Can't agree with you more.

BTW, figured Sam Adams was the way to go today.

[Porch Dweller]

I don't like obfuscations and sophistry. Defending Brady by citing Peterson? Hey, Franco and Mussolini had their faults, but at least they were not Hitler. WTF? What does one have to do with the other? And none of the Brady defenders have yet addressed the issue! First they denied the balls were deflated. Then they proposed some pseudo-scientific explanations about the weather affecting the balls. Then they denied that the managers actually doctored the balls. Then they claimed that, even if they had, it was done without Brady's prompting or knowledge. Then they denied that the deflating of balls had any effect on the huge disparity of turnovers and dropped passes in relation to other teams. Then they claimed that, even if the balls were doctored, it is OK because every other team doctors theirs too. Now, with the revelation that Brady destroyed the phone which may have held the evidence to either prove or dispute the charges, they refuse to even recognize the potential significance of this destruction of evidence.

Like Brady, who would be better off if he just stood up like a man and faced the music, these fans need to face the fact that they cannot see clearly because their lips are planted permanently on Brady's hairy @$$, which totally blocks their vision.
He cheated, he got caught, he's being punished. What more do you want? It's a sport packed to the gills with cheaters and criminals who have done far, far worse yet I don't see seven-page threads vilifying them. Hence my bringing up a guy who brutally, savagely whipped a child yet see zero threads dedicate to calling for lifetime bans for him.

I guess it's just strange to me to see what football fans will tolerate - and turn a blind eye to - before they get angry at a player.

[Blueface]

He cheated, he got caught, he's being punished. What more do you want? It's a sport packed to the gills with cheaters and criminals who have done far, far worse yet I don't see seven-page threads vilifying them. Hence my bringing up a guy who brutally, savagely whipped a child yet see zero threads dedicate to calling for lifetime bans for him.

I guess it's just strange to me to see what football fans will tolerate - and turn a blind eye to - before they get angry at a player.

You are missing the obvious.
No one is glorifying a child beating piece of crap, at least not here.
The point is..........ready..........here it comes..........sorry for reality..........Outside a Boston fan, the world hates Brady and the Patriots. Them cheating all the time and thinking they are above all makes it that much easier to hate them. They help justify the dislike for them and they're quite good at it.

[The Poet]

I guess it's just strange to me to see what football fans will tolerate - and turn a blind eye to - before they get angry at a player.

:emo2004:lr The problem with the irony-impaired is their failure to recognize their own ironical views. And FYI, I don't much like football.

The reason a Brady/Patriots thread lasted for months is simple. It is because Brady and the Pats have kept it alive for months. You want it to go away? Then do what Brady should do . . . sit down and stick a sock in it. :D

But if you elect not to do so, which is your right, then at least make some attempt to address the issue WITHOUT MAKING EXCUSES OR POINTING FINGERS AT OTHERS. Your unproven hypothesis that everybody cheats has gotten stale. Hell, it was stale back in the Spygate days.

[pnoon]

It stays alive because you knuckleheads keep it alive.

[The Poet]

It stays alive because you knuckleheads keep it alive.

Amen. That's why this knucklehead is out.

:llp

[icehog3]

Marsha Marsha Marsha!

[Porch Dweller]

:emo2004:lr The problem with the irony-impaired is their failure to recognize their own ironical views. And FYI, I don't much like football.

The reason a Brady/Patriots thread lasted for months is simple. It is because Brady and the Pats have kept it alive for months. You want it to go away? Then do what Brady should do . . . sit down and stick a sock in it. :D

But if you elect not to do so, which is your right, then at least make some attempt to address the issue WITHOUT MAKING EXCUSES OR POINTING FINGERS AT OTHERS. Your unproven hypothesis that everybody cheats has gotten stale. Hell, it was stale back in the Spygate days.

It's cute that you think that.

I'm out...

[shilala]

Hey, I'm not a Pats fan. Not even a little.
Yet I'm willing to give credit where credit is due. Brady is very easily a Hall of Fame QB, and one of the top 3 in the game today, arguably the best.
Bill Belichick stands so far above any other coach in the league that it's laughable.
There's nobody coaching today that can compare.

I think a big part of the rub, at least for me, is the arrogance.
They don't even try to cheat good.
Maybe it just seems that way because all eyes are on them. It's hard to hide when you're such a bunch of dicks that everyone is looking to see you get busted.

I'm just in it for the wee-yoo, myself. The Pats are one ball club that is going to give a guy his money's worth week in and week out. They're thrilling to watch, fun to hate, and it's wonderful when my team kicks their ass.

Someone asked if anyone would trade their QB for Brady.
Up till the last couple years, the answer would have been an immediate yes.
I just don't think he'd work in the Steeler's system right now, and he's getting long in the tooth. No sense making a change.
Would I give up Mike Tomlin for Belichick? I LOVE Mike. But I'd slap him on the ass on the way out the door. There's only one Bill Belichick, and I'd give up half the club for him.

I also admit I have no idea what Marsha means.
The Admiral sometimes blows my mind.

[shilala]

Everybody cheats. Period.
If you'd like a 10,000 page list, I can put it together, Thomas. If I cared.
It's FAR from an unproven hypothesis, it's common knowledge.
I will admit that "everybody" isn't the right word. It's simply akin to saying "all women cheat", when in fact, only about 73% do. A number like that earns itself a moniker like "every". Even though it's a slight exaggeration, it's understandable and obviously not meant to be literal.

FYI, I guess Tom and Giselle sold the mansion with the moat.
So we won't get to ride their alligators. But, if you want, we can go let the air out of their tires. :D

http://media1.fdncms.com/pitch/imager/unless-you-get-caught/u/original/2573988/ifyou_renotcheating.jpg

[Stephen]

FYI, I guess Tom and Giselle sold the mansion with the moat.
So we won't get to ride their alligators. But, if you want, we can go let the air out of their tires. :D
To Dr. Dre no less. No doubt some of that Apple money he got from selling Beats.

[Stephen]

It's a sport packed to the gills with cheaters and criminals who have done far, far worse yet I don't see seven-page threads vilifying them.
To be fair, who's there to defend the actions of Peterson or Ray Rice Or Greg Hardy to drive the narrative to where it reaches seven pages on this forum? I mean, we pretty much all agree that their actions were sh!tty, so I guess it'd be a board member starting a thread and then whatever members posting in it with a bunch of :tpd: posts.

[mosesbotbol]

FYI, I guess Tom and Giselle sold the mansion with the moat.
So we won't get to ride their alligators. But, if you want, we can go let the air out of their tires. :D

They live about 3 miles from my house

[Blueface]

http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s167/cmach_photo/caf6597c29be960b8fa33ae5bd545c6e.jpg

[Weelok]

Keeping this baby alive like a troll.

All the Brady haters are just jealous of him because he bangs this

http://i1100.photobucket.com/albums/g402/Weelok/391288acb65adefcde52b353962df1ca_zps5er0shhr.jpg

Nobody seriously cares about 2psi in a football except jealous haters LOL

I still want Andrew Luck in my draft but I will take all the criminals and cheaters in a heartbeat push comes to shove.

[TNT009]

Not really, I like a woman with meat on the bones!

[icehog3]

Not jealous. Not a hater. But couldn't give a rat's ass about Brady, one way or the other. Let him play, double his suspension, give him the Congressional Medal of Honor, execute him. Who the **** cares?

[The Poet]

Not really, I like a woman with meat on the bones!

I'd have some meat on the bone for her.

Speaking of which, he's still a dick.

[pnoon]

Amen. That's why this knucklehead is out.

:llp

I'd have some meat on the bone for her.

Speaking of which, he's still a dick.

Well that didn't last long.

[Weelok]

Well that didn't last long.

The TROLL brought some post life back to the silly Tom Brady controversy.

And for me personally, I'm a loser 49er fan so this To Brady stuff is just inane NFL entertainment but on a Fantasy Football perspective I do watch it lol

[AdamJoshua]

We talked about this at the herf tonight and I think the consensus was pretty much that if when it all blew up he should have come out and said something how he likes to play with softer balls (phrasing!) and he just asked the balls to be at the lowest allowable level. He didn't know the exact pressure, he didn't check he just knew how they felt in his hands (phrasing on purpose). If he would have done something like that it probably would have been long past, I hate the Pats and even I said yah that would have been the right thing to do.

These athletes all get caught pushing the bounds to excel, like you'd want your team to do, they all scream and shout how they are so innocent and it seems like the ones that scream the loudest and have the biggest threats are the ones that have been the worst offenders. Lance Armstrong, Barry Bonds, A-Rod, Clemens, there is quite a long list, those just come to mind. The players that got busted and manned up everyone has already forgotten about. Even those that lied to Congress. haha

[shilala]

Me and Mose are gonna go look in Dr. Dre's windows.
Maybe even ride his alligators if we get a mind to.
When me and Mose cut loose, we're like a dog that broke it's chain.

[Blueface]

On behalf of Eli Manning, sends his regards.

[shilala]

Lance Armstrong, Barry Bonds, A-Rod, Clemens...
All awesome. I don't care if they blew a pound of coke and shot a gallon of steroids every day, they took their bodies to the limit.
That's as competitive as competitive gets.
It's happened since the beginning of time.
Lying in congress? lol. Nobody would even understand them otherwise.
The fact that congress has time to meddle in sports is both pathetic and <add your own disgusted and insulting adjective here.>

[ksknnr]

I knew he was innocent, suspension overturned!:banger

[Blueface]

I knew he was innocent, suspension overturned!:banger

I think you have a misunderstanding of innocent in a court of law. There is NO such thing.
Furthermore, not guilty is only in a criminal case. This was civil.

[ksknnr]

eh, you probably right, but just happy he's back


I think you have a misunderstanding of innocent in a court of law. There is NO such thing.

[Bruins Fan]

To bad for all the haters..Know on for another Super Bowl Run!!

[Blueface]

eh, you probably right, but just happy he's back

Not probably, more like actually.
Remember, as it relates to sports, in a criminal case and an outcome of not guilty, but likewise not innocent, think in terms of OJ.

[Blueface]

To bad for all the haters..Know on for another Super Bowl Run!!

Not really.
Appealable.
Regardless, it will envigorate him to be more ballsy than ever. He'll fall again, and again.

[ksknnr]

sorry, actually.

I'm just happy he's back, he's fun to watch, and judging by your avatar I see how you wouldn't like him but hey he makes the game more exiting to watch and that's all I care about, I still have to go to work tomorrow.


Not probably, more like actually.
Remember, as it relates to sports, in a criminal case and an outcome of not guilty, but likewise not innocent, think in terms of OJ.

[Blueface]

sorry, actually.

I'm just happy he's back, he's fun to watch, and judging by your avatar I see how you wouldn't like him but hey he makes the game more exiting to watch and that's all I care about, I still have to go to work tomorrow.

Not like him? Are you kidding? I LOVE playing Super Bowls against him.

Looks like he has bigger fish to catch than a suspension. That would only cost him salary for four games. Looks like 50% of all he owns is at risk.
https://au.lifestyle.yahoo.com/new-idea/news/a/29421043/are-tom-brady-and-gisele-ba-ndchen-headed-for-divorce/

[jonumberone]

sorry, actually.

I'm just happy he's back, he's fun to watch, and judging by your avatar I see how you wouldn't like him but hey he makes the game more exiting to watch and that's all I care about, I still have to go to work tomorrow.

Why wouldn't a Giants fan like Brady?
He's so easy for us to beat. :banger

[ksknnr]

haha that is true, I just meant being a Giants fan not liking the pats.

[icehog3]

The judge finds Brady not guilty, and also awards him elevnty billion dollars in punative damages! Hooray! :D

[ksknnr]

Not like him? Are you kidding? I LOVE playing Super Bowls against him.

Looks like he has bigger fish to catch than a suspension. That would only cost him salary for four games. Looks like 50% of all he owns is at risk.
https://au.lifestyle.yahoo.com/new-idea/news/a/29421043/are-tom-brady-and-gisele-ba-ndchen-headed-for-divorce/

I would be more worried if I was her, she makes way more than he does,

[markem]

Personally, I like Fran Tarkenton as a quarterback.

[mosesbotbol]

Deflategate hasn't been easy on him. Even he is human.

[shilala]

I figured these guys would settle for 2 games. Huh.
There's a 40 page ruling on this, and the few findings I saw were just plain stupid on the NFL's part. They can appeal till the cows come home, it's unwinnable.

And by "just plain stupid", I mean the NFL wouldn't let Brady's lawyers depose a witness or share evidence.

Now, tell me this...
With all the lawyers at the NFL's disposal, they had to tell Goodell how this would play out if he didn't play ball.
It was unwinnable.
To me, it seems he played it that way on purpose. Almost had to. He is not a stupid man, not by a longshot.

Just another "keep the NFL in the spotlight in the offseason" contrived soap opera, if you ask me.

[Blueface]

Interesting article in USA Today citing judge's verbiage in ruling.

Says:
"Brady had no notice that a “general awareness” of misconduct by others could lead to discipline."

Say what?:lr

[Weelok]

Deflate the hate!

Brady and Patriots for Super Bowl champions again!!!! Yes!!!!!!!

[ksknnr]

I figured these guys would settle for 2 games. Huh.
There's a 40 page ruling on this, and the few findings I saw were just plain stupid on the NFL's part. They can appeal till the cows come home, it's unwinnable.

And by "just plain stupid", I mean the NFL wouldn't let Brady's lawyers depose a witness or share evidence.

Now, tell me this...
With all the lawyers at the NFL's disposal, they had to tell Goodell how this would play out if he didn't play ball.
It was unwinnable.
To me, it seems he played it that way on purpose. Almost had to. He is not a stupid man, not by a longshot.

Just another "keep the NFL in the spotlight in the offseason" contrived soap opera, if you ask me.

you are absolutely right with the spotlight on the offseason, you wouldn't even know we had three (four if you count soccer) sports teams in town by listening to the sports radio since this started.

[AdamJoshua]

His real punishment is having to throw properly inflated balls and watching them bounce off of his recievers hands as well as watching the running backs fumble at a rate closer to the league average, not the improbably low average they have had over the last 7 years.

[dave]

^^^

That's exactly why I don't understand the complete disdain for Goodell. NFL is national topic of conversation and/or news almost every day. We're still a week away from the first game of the season.....and all off-season we have NOT been talking about concussions or outrageous ticket prices.....or even wife beaters, child beaters or cell-mate killers. Seems to me he's getting the job done even if cheaters get away with one.

[Stephen]

To bad for all the haters..Know on for another Super Bowl Run!!
Not with that secondary you're not.

[Stephen]

double post.

[Stephen]

Looks like he has bigger fish to catch than a suspension. That would only cost him salary for four games. Looks like 50% of all he owns is at risk.
https://au.lifestyle.yahoo.com/new-idea/news/a/29421043/are-tom-brady-and-gisele-ba-ndchen-headed-for-divorce/
Meh, even if true, she has a higher net worth than he does.

[Blueface]

Meh, even if true, she has a higher net worth than he does.

Holy crap!
Nearly three times as much as him.
Who would have thunk it,

[dijit]

Interesting article in USA Today citing judge's verbiage in ruling.

Says:
"Brady had no notice that a “general awareness” of misconduct by others could lead to discipline."

Say what?:lr

That means every high school and college as well as professional athletics program will necessarily need to revamp their rule books to include, "if you are dumb enough to get caught then there will be punishment commensurate with the degree of the cheating."

If they dont then it is proof that sportsmanship is dead and its all about the money.

[Tio Gato]

I just give thanks that it's over. My wife worships Tom and is totally thrilled. I think if I had a Tom Brady mask on when she gets home I'd get lucky big time.:noon

[AdamJoshua]

https://scontent-dfw1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xtf1/v/t1.0-9/11951860_10207305500132918_5653961350653007415_n.j pg?oh=17330a1f64450e49313a8aee72f3183e&oe=567B9D2E

[Dave128]

:r :r Love it, Adam!

[Blueface]

https://scontent-dfw1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xtf1/v/t1.0-9/11951860_10207305500132918_5653961350653007415_n.j pg?oh=17330a1f64450e49313a8aee72f3183e&oe=567B9D2E

I have just pissed in my pants.:lr

I am stealing that from you.

[RJrocker]

I just give thanks that it's over.

:tpd:

[Blueface]

I just give thanks that it's over. My wife worships Tom and is totally thrilled. I think if I had a Tom Brady mask on when she gets home I'd get lucky big time.:noon

:tpd:

:r

You guys obviously did not hear of the forthcoming appeal.
However, NFL will not fight for a stay of the judgment in the meantime, meaning he will play for now.

Fat lady has yet to sing unfortunately.

[Blueface]

Back at you Scott.
Your turn.

http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s167/cmach_photo/d8a1118058d0604b5e2592ae5a321d69.jpg

http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s167/cmach_photo/3cdd9ee75a95e2774c128ce558467147.jpg

[Stephen]

Holy crap!
Nearly three times as much as him.
Who would have thunk it,
Between endorsements and modeling gigs, top supermodels make serious bank.

[mk05]

Preeeettty sure most people knew this was all a publicity sham. So what if this cost the NFL a couple million dollars? The league and ownership splits ~$9B annual revenue. I think once Brady was not afforded proper due process, everyone knew this was completely bullsht.

All Deflate-gate did was use a very public and well-liked figure, tack on an obviously ridiculous charge to troll people into following it, and watch people frustrate themselves over it; and most people did. NFL finally found a way to stay relevant through the dry summer months, Patriots made great sales of NEP products, and furthermore, Tom Brady may finally realize his political ambitions with this win. How was this not a win, win, win?

[icehog3]

I believe the children are our future.

[Subvet642]

:r

You guys obviously did not hear of the forthcoming appeal.
However, NFL will not fight for a stay of the judgment in the meantime, meaning he will play for now.

Fat lady has yet to sing unfortunately.

Yeah, and we know Goodell always wins on appeal. What's he batting, 0 for 4? :wo

[shilala]

Absolutely no way Goodell wins this appeal. Zero. None.
There's no way for him to undo multiple screw-ups the NFL and their lawyers made in the legal process.
The only plea they can make is "we didn't really understand the law involved, and decided it best to ignore our lawyers".

Carlos, that's your Fat Lady in a sparkly mumu singing "Somewhere Over The Rainbow" right there. :lr

Also, cake is better than pie.

[icehog3]

Absolutely no way Goodell wins this appeal. Zero. None.


Agreed, 100%.

[Blueface]

Absolutely no way Goodell wins this appeal. Zero. None.


Agreed, 100%.

I just want to make I follow this as I am slow.

So..........100% chance that there is a 0% probability of prevailing, 99.9% of the time?:r

;s

[Blueface]

I am such a sucker for nostalgia.

http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s167/cmach_photo/42c977a04287fdfc2f08c8c96b2339ea.jpg

[Subvet642]

His real punishment is having to throw properly inflated balls and watching them bounce off of his receivers' hands as well as watching the running backs fumble at a rate closer to the league average, not the improbably low average they have had over the last 7 years.

Brady threw four TD's against the Steel Curtain. :hm
If that's real punishment, give us more! :lr

[icehog3]

Not nearly as much punishment as revivng this thread. ;) :lr

[pnoon]

Not nearly as much punishment as revivng this thread. ;) :lr

:tpd:

[shilala]

Gronk whooped our ass soundly last night.
The pain.

[Bruins Fan]

TB 12 hangs 466 and 3 TD'S over the the big blowhard Rex Ryan and the over hyped Bills.
Tom Brady with out a doubt the greatest quarterback that has ever played in the NFL.
Pats are on a mission this year, scorched earth baby!!!:D

[dave]

Without a doubt?

I won't deny he can be in the conversation....but won't give you 'beyond doubt' or discussion

[Bruins Fan]

4 rings 6 appearances and he is not done yet still going strong.
Love him or hate him proof is in the record.

[shilala]

4 rings 6 appearances and he is not done yet still going strong.
Love him or hate him proof is in the record.
By that logic, Brady can never eclipse The Great Terry Bradshaw who earned 4 Super Bowls in 4 appearances. Right?
Bradshaw threw an INT for every TD he ever threw.
Aaron Rodgers throws td's at a 4/1 ratio.
Rodgers has a ring and has reached the postseason 7 of his 7 years as a starter.

Would I put Brady in a "top ten of all-time" argument? Hell yeah. He's amazing.
The best, best ever, or even best playing right now? No.
I'm pretty certain when Rodgers hangs his shoes up he'll replace every single question mark with a period. God willing.

[AdamJoshua]

I love me some Terry, but let's face it he was not winning superbowls because he was an amazing QB, he was being dragged to the finish line by some incredibly teammates.

Of course, Bradshaw won those Super Bowl rings because he was on the best teams, not because he himself was the best quarterback. Although Bradshaw does have two Super Bowl MVPs to his credit, the 1970s Steelers won Super Bowls first and foremost with their defense. People forget that in 1974, the year the Steelers won their first Super Bowl, Bradshaw was only the starter for half the regular season, and the Steelers actually had a better record in the games he missed than the games he started. People forget that if Bradshaw hadn’t played so badly in so many playoff games, the Steelers could have won more than four Super Bowls: Among Bradshaw’s postseason stat lines were a 5-for-10, 80-yard, one-touchdown, two-interception game in a loss to the Dolphins, a 12-for-25, 167-yard, two-touchdown, three-interception game in a loss to the Raiders, a 14-for-35, 176-yard, zero-touchdown, one-interception game in another loss to the Raiders, and a 19-for-37, 177-yard, one-touchdown, three-interception game in a loss to the Broncos.

Though, yes I know what you are saying, Scott.

[icehog3]

Cam Neeley for President! :D

[Bruins Fan]

Cam Neeley for President! :D

I'll second that:r

[AdamJoshua]

He's been President since 2005...technically.



Edit: but Brady still sucks

[shilala]

I love me some Terry, but let's face it he was not winning superbowls because he was an amazing QB, he was being dragged to the finish line by some incredibly teammates.

He was awful, Ads. Just plain awful.
I love me some Terry, too. I was being sarcastic when I probably shouldn't have.
But 4/4 still beats 4/6.
Bradshaw didn't lose any Super Bowls. So he's way better than Brady, obviously. :D

[icehog3]

Bradshaw for the win! :wo

[Subvet642]

He was awful, Ads. Just plain awful.
I love me some Terry, too. I was being sarcastic when I probably shouldn't have.
But 4/4 still beats 4/6.
Bradshaw didn't lose any Super Bowls. So he's way better than Brady, obviously. :D

Yeah, but by the end of this season, Brady will be 5/7. ;) Probably 8/10 by the end of his career; unless someone whines about the weather machine Belichick keeps in his secret volcano lair. :D

[shilala]

4/4 is still 100%. 8/10 is not. :D
I don't see the Pats winning another Super Bowl until they address some major holes.
They're always prepared and sh1t-hot right now, but when the rest of the teams catch up in 6 weeks, they look beatable.
The Steelers and Bills played bad ball, and NE just slipped by.
And that's a bad argument because a win is a win, period. They're just thin and the bench is very shallow. A couple injuries is going to hurt them.
Were it not for Belichick, they'd be in trouble already.
He's easily the best coach in the game. By a long-shot.

[Subvet642]

4/4 is still 100%. 8/10 is not. :D
I don't see the Pats winning another Super Bowl until they address some major holes.
They're always prepared and sh1t-hot right now, but when the rest of the teams catch up in 6 weeks, they look beatable.
The Steelers and Bills played bad ball, and NE just slipped by.
And that's a bad argument because a win is a win, period. They're just thin and the bench is very shallow. A couple injuries is going to hurt them.
Were it not for Belichick, they'd be in trouble already.
He's easily the best coach in the game. By a long-shot.

I haven't been happy with their defense in a long time and the offense can't do everything. I miss Tedy Bruschi!

[shilala]

They still just keep getting it done, Darren.
Remember when Tom didn't have anyone to throw the ball to a couple years ago?
Didn't take them long to fix that.
A couple more losses and I think Brady's head would have exploded. :lr

[Subvet642]

They still just keep getting it done, Darren.
Remember when Tom didn't have anyone to throw the ball to a couple years ago?
Didn't take them long to fix that.
A couple more losses and I think Brady's head would have exploded. :lr

Yeah, I remember. There would have been heads exploding all over New England. Still, they allow too many points.

[mosesbotbol]

Still, they allow too many points.

This worries me the most. We can't just keep playing "Let's out score the other team" style of football. Give them a 2-3 more weeks and I think we'll see a defense more in control (I hope).

[Bruins Fan]

Per. Tom E Curren


FOXBORO -- It has to be driving the folks at 345 Park Avenue slightly bananas that the player they worked so hard to keep off the field has been the league’s best through two weeks.

The Patriots are 2-0 and Tom Brady -- out on parole, as it were -- leads the NFL with 754 yards, seven touchdowns passes, and hasn’t thrown a pick.

Interestingly, despite having the best performances in the AFC over the first two weeks, Brady’s been brushed past for the conference’s Offensive Player of the Week honors both times.:confused:

I would love to see Goodell get hit by a truck!!

[massphatness]

I'm a Bills fan as I've mentioned previously, and while I don't "like" Brady, he certainly has my respect as a player for what he's consistently accomplished on the field.

You know who doesn't respect Brady? Former Redskins D-lineman, Dexter Manley

“I'll take Joe Theismann, I'll take [Matt Ryan], anything over Tom Brady,” Manley continued, presumably unaware that Brady has four Super Bowl rings and three Super Bowl MVP trophies. “I'll take Joe Theismann first, I'll take Matty Ice second, and I might take Doug Williams third, but I'm not gonna take Tom Brady to lead my team nowhere. ...Tom Brady is garbage. He can't pick up a first down. He has no athletic skill. He's surrounded by people, but Tom Brady is garbage. Garbage!”

What an idiot.

[shilala]

Your Bills look like a ball club, Vinnie.
They're comin' around.

[Blueface]

I would love Brady if he could hook up a brother with a sister?
Her sisters are way hotter!

http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s167/cmach_photo/caa68233597533787d1d63de702b314d.jpg

[shilala]

I bet I'd be happy with their Mom, Carlos.
Those 3 look like they'd want to talk and stuff. Ugh.

[The Poet]

That's why God made noise-cancelling headphones.

[shilala]

You could always stuff your socks in their mouth, but with three of them, odds are pretty strong that one's gonna figure out how to get them out.
Then the noise is REALLY gonna come.
I'd just as soon leave em home. :tu

[Blueface]

I would very, very patiently wait until they were done talking.:r

[shilala]

You're a better man than I, Carlos.
I'd rather send them off to get me a sammich and paint the house.

[Bruins Fan]

TB 12 joins the 400 TD pass club now number 4 on the list, that don't count the 53 playoff TD's:banger

[AdamJoshua]

You could always stuff your socks in their mouth, but with three of them, odds are pretty strong that one's gonna figure out how to get them out.
Then the noise is REALLY gonna come.
I'd just as soon leave em home. :tu

Really, socks, socks is what you came up with to stuff in their mouths to shut them up ... socks? :tf

[icehog3]

TB 12 joins the 400 TD pass club now number 4 on the list, that don't count the 53 playoff TD's:banger

What happened to TB 1-11? :confused:

[Bruins Fan]

Gisele Bundchen is releasing a coffee table book, showcasing her best moments as a model. The book can be had for the low, low price of $700, which seems like a steal compared the autographed version that will retail for $2,000.
She bares it all in the book with all the money going to charity!!

[shilala]

She stole my idea.
I just suggested this idea to The Admiral not but a few measly months ago while we were double-teaming Tom.
Pillow talk always tends to bite your ass.

[icehog3]

I'm calling our lawyer.

[pnoon]

I'm calling our lawyer.

We have a lawyer?
:sh

[mosesbotbol]

Gisele Bundchen is releasing a coffee table book, showcasing her best moments as a model. The book can be had for the low, low price of $700, which seems like a steal compared the autographed version that will retail for $2,000.
She bares it all in the book with all the money going to charity!!

I bet both versions will not lose much value and make increase in value over the next decade.

[shilala]

We used to have lawyers, didn't we?

[icehog3]

Oh, we have lawyers. Trust me (and them).

[shilala]

I know we threw a bunch in the kitchen that time Peter started the fire in the microwave with his Jiffy Pop.
They are super handy to have around.

[Bruins Fan]

Tom Brady earns record-tying eighth AFC Player of Month award!!!:r

[shilala]

My dog got his head stuck in between the ballusters going up the steps for the 10th time this week.
I gave him a participation trophy.

[icehog3]

Tom Brady earns record-tying eighth AFC Player of Month award!!!:r

I think my sister won that award once. :r

[Bruins Fan]

It's time to pay the Colts back..Tom should hang 50 on a team and franchise that is soft as baby poo:banger

[Stephen]

My dog got his head stuck in between the ballusters going up the steps for the 10th time this week.
I gave him a participation trophy.
Did James Harrison make him give it back?

[shilala]

Harrison threw it, and Bubs brought it back.
Before long it was a fist-fight.

[mosesbotbol]

No matter how well Tom Brady plays or the Pats win; everyone seems to think their QB and team is better...

[14holestogie]

No matter how well Tom Brady plays or the Pats win; everyone seems to think their QB and team is better...

The Admiral may argue that point. ;)

[Stephen]

The Admiral may argue that point. ;)
:r

[shilala]

The Admiral may argue that point. ;)
Bazinga. :lr

[mosesbotbol]

Read enough on this thread and forum, and Brady doesn't even make several members' "Top 5 QB's" currently playing in the NFL...

This is to say, too much emotion about the NFL... Anyone objective would have TB on the Top 5.

[shilala]

I gave Tom his due stroke. He's awesome.
I'd probably pick like this:
Rodgers
Brady/Manning (toss-up for 2nd)
Roethlisberger/Brees (toss-up for 3rd)

I added a lot of factors. If I were to list them based on just this year, it'd be:
Rodgers
Brady
Manning
Roethlisberger
Brees
...and Brees could easily be out of this year's equation all together.

If Brady isn't coming up on anyone's "Top 5 QB's currently playing in the NFL" list, their hate is far stronger than their common sense, Mose. :tu

[mosesbotbol]

If Brady isn't coming up on anyone's "Top 5 QB's currently playing in the NFL" list, their hate is far stronger than their common sense, Mose. :tu

Exactly what I am inferring. He should be Top 3, I was being generous on Top 5.

[Bruins Fan]

I gave Tom his due stroke. He's awesome.
I'd probably pick like this:
Rodgers
Brady/Manning (toss-up for 2nd)
Roethlisberger/Brees (toss-up for 3rd)

I added a lot of factors. If I were to list them based on just this year, it'd be:
Rodgers
Brady
Manning
Roethlisberger
Brees
...and Brees could easily be out of this year's equation all together.

If Brady isn't coming up on anyone's "Top 5 QB's currently playing in the NFL" list, their hate is far stronger than their common sense, Mose. :tu

Your kidding? When Brady is finished he will be the greatest of all time, actuality he already is.:D
The Brady.. Manning compassion ended years ago, Payton is not even in the conversation any more.

[shilala]

Your kidding? When Brady is finished he will be the greatest of all time, actuality he already is.:D
The Brady.. Manning compassion ended years ago, Payton is not even in the conversation any more.
Your argument depends on 2 things, at least.
1.) If you've ever heard of Joe Montana.
2.) Where do we draw a line?

The game today as compared to when Montana played barely compares, yet Joe still wins despite all Tom's accomplishments.
Brady has to continue to stack rings and stats to cross over this "the game is easier for qb's now".
I don't think it's even mathematically possible, but I'm not looking at numbers and Tom has a lot of years left in him.

He's got Aaron Rodgers right on his heels.
Aaron has a complete mastery of every single skill a QB needs, has quietly piled up a huge number of NFL records, and has lots of years to chase down Brady's numbers.

Brady is not the greatest QB of all-time. Not yet. He's not even in that running because his career isn't over and he's no eclipsed a number of old boys.
He IS at or near the pinnacle of a very short list of QB's from this generation.
Also a list where he hasn't "won" anything yet because his competition have not finished their careers.


If I had to pick an "all-time" from my lifetime, right now it'd be Montana, Elway, Brady, Farve, Manning. I'd probably even move Brady to #2.
I think that'll all get rewritten in the next 20 years.
It's a freakin awesome time to watch offense.

[icehog3]

If you were as old as I am, you could throw Johnny Unitas into that mix. ;)

[shilala]

I don't remember him at all, Admiral. But he should be in any "all-time" conversation.
Right around #2, I understand.

[14holestogie]

How about Bart Starr? 5 championships in a 7 year period should get him at least a top 10 nod. And his receivers were usually hungover. :)

[shilala]

Starr doesn't even get talk anymore, Tim. He always has up till the last 10 or 15 years.
Maybe it's because 3 of those championships were outside the Super Bowl era.
I honestly don't know. It's ridiculous.

[icehog3]

How about Bart Starr? 5 championships in a 7 year period should get him at least a top 10 nod. And his receivers were usually hungover. :)

Starr's receivers were usually hungover?? Johnny Unitas was usually drunk!! :D

[AdamJoshua]

Bart Starr's problem is he isn't on Twitter and all over TMZ, he needs to get some people on that. :lv

[AdamJoshua]

BOSTON -- Isaiah Thomas had 27 points and seven assists, and the Boston Celtics beat the Philadelphia 76ers 112-95 on Wednesday night in the season opener for each team.

So wait, did he settle the sexual harassment suit in NY, amazing that he flopped at running a team and now in his twilight years he's back in the league and putting up 27/7. Very nice :D

[The Poet]

You're thinking of Isiah Thomas, not Isaish Thomas. How can you possibly confuse them? :r

When Dallas drafted Bob Hayes in 1964, the game of football began to change from a "horizontal" to a "vertical" contest. Thus comparing QBs like Johnny U and Bart Starr to later ones is tricky, as the skill sets differ.

[icehog3]

That, and the earlier ones were badass m***********s. ;)

[Bruins Fan]

Not to disparage any of the great players..but it was a different game before unrestricted free agency that started in 1992.

Teams could be built and players had no movement, QB's might throw the ball 20 times a game?

Just look at the old steeler teams, great defense big back to ground and pound, and a couple great receivers same with the 49'ers and cowboys.

Today you have a salary cap, so teams have to do their homework building a team. The Pats got that covered :banger

[AdamJoshua]

That, and the earlier ones were badass m***********s. ;)

You mean when they go hit the NFL didn't scramble to change the rules, or when they should get driven into the ground by 3 guys long after the ball was released and no one cried and begged with the refs?

[icehog3]

You mean when they go hit the NFL didn't scramble to change the rules, or when they should get driven into the ground by 3 guys long after the ball was released and no one cried and begged with the refs?

Yeah, but the Pats woulda had that covered. ;)

[shilala]

Today you have a salary cap, so teams have to do their homework building a team. The Pats got that covered :banger
That's all Bill Belichick. He's got full autonomy and he has for years and years.
He's presided over Tom Brady's entire reign as QB, made the choice to jettison Bledsoe, "suffered" a 9-7 reason because of it, etc.

Don't think for a minute that Brady would have prospered so greatly were he not under Belichick.
Last year (maybe it was 2013?), for example.
The Pats sucked. Brady took tantrums and looked like an idiot through the first 4 weeks until Belichick pulled some receivers out of his ass.
Without stellar receivers, carefully practiced timing, and everything in a perfect vacuum, Brady collapsed.
Then he took tantrums, screamed at his teammates, and acted like he was a 13 year old girl.

That is what it is. Jay Cutler and Phillip Rivers have had their 13 year-old girl moments. So have many others.
Point being, he didn't general what he had into a winning position.
He took a fit.
A guy like Peyton Manning, who's been working in FAR less than perfect conditions his entire career has made due. Without tantrums.

All that is a BIG intangible.
Had Brady not had Belichick, he'd be Phillip Rivers. Guaranteed.
Bill Belichick is the brain behind Brady, always has been.
Were Belichick still in Cleveland, the Lombardi's would be stacked up in Berrea.

That only takes away from Brady in those "best ever" conversations.
He's going to see his place at the top of the record books, but his spot isn't going to last, not the way the NFL is headed.
It'll be Arena Football soon and Brady's numbers, and Montana's numbers, and everyone else's numbers will look like sh1t compared to some of the kids who haven't even come up through college yet.

[shilala]

Exactly what I am inferring. He should be Top 3, I was being generous on Top 5.
Mose, I think he does show up in pretty much every "top 10 all-time" list somewhere between 1 and 3. Any I've seen, anyways.
That's just happened since this last ring, though. That pushed him right up there. :tu

The NFL is doing a"vote by era" thing right now, I wish I could find the link for you. It's wicked cool.

[Weelok]

It's hard for me to fathom a best ever but in this year I wish I had Brady as my fantasy QB in the two leagues I am participating in but alas I do not. I do have Carson Palmer in one so happy with that but Russell Wilson in the other bleh

If I had been smarter I could have drafted Brady as he was on my plan but I started worrying the NFL drama might hurt him. Bleh, silly me

[Porch Dweller]

That's all Bill Belichick. He's got full autonomy and he has for years and years.
He's presided over Tom Brady's entire reign as QB, made the choice to jettison Bledsoe, "suffered" a 9-7 reason because of it, etc.

Don't think for a minute that Brady would have prospered so greatly were he not under Belichick.
Last year (maybe it was 2013?), for example.
The Pats sucked. Brady took tantrums and looked like an idiot through the first 4 weeks until Belichick pulled some receivers out of his ass.
Without stellar receivers, carefully practiced timing, and everything in a perfect vacuum, Brady collapsed.
Then he took tantrums, screamed at his teammates, and acted like he was a 13 year old girl.

That is what it is. Jay Cutler and Phillip Rivers have had their 13 year-old girl moments. So have many others.
Point being, he didn't general what he had into a winning position.
He took a fit.
A guy like Peyton Manning, who's been working in FAR less than perfect conditions his entire career has made due. Without tantrums.

All that is a BIG intangible.
Had Brady not had Belichick, he'd be Phillip Rivers. Guaranteed.
Bill Belichick is the brain behind Brady, always has been.
Were Belichick still in Cleveland, the Lombardi's would be stacked up in Berrea.

That only takes away from Brady in those "best ever" conversations.
He's going to see his place at the top of the record books, but his spot isn't going to last, not the way the NFL is headed.
It'll be Arena Football soon and Brady's numbers, and Montana's numbers, and everyone else's numbers will look like sh1t compared to some of the kids who haven't even come up through college yet.

Brady's had a bunch of nobodies as his receivers his entire career (http://www.patspulpit.com/2013/11/4/5065926/tom-brady-and-his-50-receivers), with occasional exceptions of greatness such as Moss (for only three years), Gronk, Troy Brown, and Welker (who has only shined as a receiver with Brady as QB). He's made it work all the time with a revolving door of guys that were cut and signed off the wire and would probably be working at Planet Fitness if they had any other QB than Brady throwing to them.
Heck yeah, he's benefited from having the greatest coach ever; who wouldn't? But to have some of the guys he's had to throw to and still have the success he's had is NOT all on Belichek, not even close.

Your comment about Manning working in FAR less than perfect conditions his entire career is...well...puzzling. Manning benefited from playing most of his entire career in domes (Brady's stat's in domes are better than Mannings, BTW) and had consistent receivers, at least much more consistent than Brady, along with one of the greatest receiving RBs ever, Marshal Faulk. And as far as "tantrums", ANYONE can get frustrated and riled up. Remember, Manning gave us the wonderful Manning Face. :)

Here's a nice comparison between Brady and Manning. (http://www.coldhardfootballfacts.com/content/no-debate-facts-show-tom-brady-better-than-peyton-manning/31873/) Here's a summary if you don't want to read the whole thing (it is long): Brady is Manning's statistical equal despite playing his entire career outdoors with inferior talent; Brady puts up more points and wins more consistently than any QB in history; Brady typically beats Manning head to head even with inferior teams; and Brady doesn't crap the bed every year in the playoffs.

[shilala]

James, I read that breakdown. Very cool. Thanks for that!!! :tu
My "conditions" comment wasn't very clear, but I was thinking about players he's had around him. Especially all those years with a sub-standard o-line.

I don't want to have a Brady/Manning debate, it's not the point.
I was just trying to back up Moses. Brady doesn't get his due.
It's mostly because everyone hates him and Belichick. They blame it on this and that, but I think it's probably because the Pats have stomped their team's hopes somewhere along the way.

[Bruins Fan]

Kickoff is less then an hour away. TB 12 will have his hands full with this Dolphin pass rush. Pats are very very thin on the offensive line.
Let's get it on!!

[Stephen]

Brady's had a bunch of nobodies as his receivers his entire career (http://www.patspulpit.com/2013/11/4/5065926/tom-brady-and-his-50-receivers), with occasional exceptions of greatness such as Moss (for only three years), Gronk, Troy Brown, and Welker (who has only shined as a receiver with Brady as QB). He's made it work all the time with a revolving door of guys that were cut and signed off the wire and would probably be working at Planet Fitness if they had any other QB than Brady throwing to them.
Heck yeah, he's benefited from having the greatest coach ever; who wouldn't? But to have some of the guys he's had to throw to and still have the success he's had is NOT all on Belichek, not even close.

Your comment about Manning working in FAR less than perfect conditions his entire career is...well...puzzling. Manning benefited from playing most of his entire career in domes (Brady's stat's in domes are better than Mannings, BTW) and had consistent receivers, at least much more consistent than Brady, along with one of the greatest receiving RBs ever, Marshal Faulk. And as far as "tantrums", ANYONE can get frustrated and riled up. Remember, Manning gave us the wonderful Manning Face. :)

Here's a nice comparison between Brady and Manning. (http://www.coldhardfootballfacts.com/content/no-debate-facts-show-tom-brady-better-than-peyton-manning/31873/) Here's a summary if you don't want to read the whole thing (it is long): Brady is Manning's statistical equal despite playing his entire career outdoors with inferior talent; Brady puts up more points and wins more consistently than any QB in history; Brady typically beats Manning head to head even with inferior teams; and Brady doesn't crap the bed every year in the playoffs.

Not wanting to dive headlong into this debate, but Marshall Faulk? Really? Manning only played with Faulk Manning's rookie year before Faulk was traded to the Rams. Not even worth mentioning his name.


I have a good buddy that's an editor at FO that I could send your way that loves nothing more than to debate Brady vs. Manning. Him and I butt heads cause he thinks Rodgers is nothing more than a front runner. On second thought, eff him. :r

[Porch Dweller]

Good point on Faulk; I thought they overlapped a few more years than that but I stand corrected.

[Tio Gato]

Tommy's suspension reinstated. My wife is gonna cry.

[mhailey]

The thread which will not die.

http://nowaygirl.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/tom-brady-memes-payton-manning-01.jpg

[icehog3]

Does anyone West of Massachusetts even care? :lr

[The Poet]

Does anyone West of Massachusetts even care? :lr

There are some Jets fans in these parts who care. I don't know why, or why there are Jets fans. :D

[icehog3]

There are some Jets fans in these parts who care. I don't know why, or why there are Jets fans. :D

Masochists? :D

[The Poet]

Masochists? :D

I lump the Jets, Mets, and Nets together as one team . . . the Nyets. :r

[icehog3]

I lump the Jets, Mets, and Nets together as one team . . . the Nyets. :r

:lr :lr

[Dave128]

I lump the Jets, Mets, and Nets together as one team . . . the Nyets. :r

:na

[Weelok]

This thread will never die! It's how the NFL keeps in the news during the off season while we wait for draft picks.

Next up is Tim Tebo trying out for the Denver Broncos during Spring Training? News at 24/7-Sports.com