cigar info. please i am new to the site

[smokey69]

Hi, I have been smoking cigars on and off for about 20 yrs. I know a little about the brands and quality. I am not an avid studier of cigar brands.
Anyway i have the opportunity to buy a vast collection of rare cigars and 3 humidors. He states he has 3-500 cigars that are rare.
Here are some he lists below
Tatuaje 2008 Hoye de Monterey Special Edition Cubans 2011 Padilla Miami Oscuro Limited Edition 2010 Never released special edition AJ Man o War Maduro Graycliff Crystal Limitada 2010
Need some feedback about these cigars above
He wants 1k for everything.

[T.G]

While I don't think any of those cigars you listed are that rare, $2-3/cigar w/ humidors isn't a bad deal for those cigars if the cigars were stored properly and the humidors are decent. :2

[CigarNut]

It's a crap-shoot. You might win big, but then again might not. Are you able to inspect the humidors and cigars before purchasing?

[kelmac07]

Just because an extra band was placed on a stick (as with the Graycliff & the Padilla), does not mean they are rare/HTF. Now who knows, might be some other RARE stuff in there.

Hope this helps a little...

Tatuaje 2008 (Tatuaje 2008 what????)
Hoye de Monterey Special Edition Cubans 2011 (no clue on the CC side of the house)
Padilla Miami Oscuro Limited Edition 2010 (not rare, can be found easily)
Never released special edition AJ Man o War Maduro (rare in that you can only get these if your purchase the "Chest" which are around $ 300)
Graycliff Crystal Limitada 2010 (not rare, can be found easily)

[smokey69]

It's a crap-shoot. You might win big, but then again might not. Are you able to inspect the humidors and cigars before purchasing?

yes, I am able to inspect and I may be able to get the price down, the humidor is very nice walnut JP that he states holds 250.
check out the pics. he sent me

[czerbe]

yes, I am able to inspect and I may be able to get the price down, the humidor is very nice walnut JP that he states holds 250.
check out the pics. he sent me

Looks kind of like a CI stocked Humi for the first couple of Pics. That Tat 08 is a yummy one for sure La Verites I think are good.

Best bet would be IMHO is to check them out do some research online for pricing and give him an offer of what you want to spend. Best of luck.

[T.G]

Looking at the pictures, the "Tatuaje 2008" is a the 2008 La Verite robusto. Somewhat limited, original MSRP was like $12-14 IIRC, but not really sought after anymore, plus it's only one. Of the cigars I recognize from the other photos, I don't think there is anything rare or HTF about them, some I even remember the CI/Cigarbid $2/stick sale emails on. Plus that's like 30 cigars, where are the other 470 he claimed to have?

That humidor is worth like $50, maybe. It's not walnut, it's just veneer over particle board and probably doesn't hold 250 unless you are stuffing it with cigarillos.
http://www.cigarsinternational.com/humidors/38899/rocky-patel-deluxe-humidor/#p-38484

[kelmac07]

I'm with Adam...that humi does not hold 250 cigars and the sticks shown (while decent sticks)...does not warrant $1,000. :2

[Dave128]

smokey69 - listen to these fellas, they know what they are talking about. :2

[MUNKY]

what they said.

[smokey69]

Looking at the pictures, the "Tatuaje 2008" is a the 2008 La Verite robusto. Somewhat limited, original MSRP was like $12-14 IIRC, but not really sought after anymore, plus it's only one. Of the cigars I recognize from the other photos, I don't think there is anything rare or HTF about them, some I even remember the CI/Cigarbid $2/stick sale emails on. Plus that's like 30 cigars, where are the other 470 he claimed to have?

That humidor is worth like $50, maybe. It's not walnut, it's just veneer over particle board and probably doesn't hold 250 unless you are stuffing it with cigarillos.
http://www.cigarsinternational.com/humidors/38899/rocky-patel-deluxe-humidor/#p-38484

I just spoke to him and he states the humidor does in fact hold 250 cigars, it has 2 shelves with big bottom ., here are some more pics.

[AdamJoshua]

Those pics, in my opinion, are suspect at best, notice they seem to be just area pictures, not from a distance and as has been said multiple times here there is nothing about this deal that justifies anything close to $1000, or even close.

Also Adam was kind enough to go ahead and post a link to that very humidor, $75 and 100 count.

I'm throwing my hat into the "just walk away" pile. :2

[E.J.]

So if my reading comprehension is working, he wants 1K for a $50 humidor and some cigars like we are seeing in these pics?

Note, have only seen 1 of 3 reported humidors.....and the pics of less than 50ish cigars. Maybe the other 2 are Aristocrat Mini's and they are filled with sticks that I love....

I wouldn't pay $100 for what I have seen. To each their own….

[T.G]

Here's some photos of another MIC humidor of similar construction being dissected.

http://www.cigarasylum.com/vb/showthread.php?p=1728881

Nothing there to get excited about or bust open the wallet for. :sh

[Dude Here]

At least the seller has some pretty good taste. Definitely inspect the heck out of those sticks before making any kind of offer. I personally wouldn't buy a collection like that from a private seller unless it was someone that I knew.

[FNA]

Anyone notice that the cigars some have called "not rare" "easily available" or 'not in demand' are cigars that you can't just go out and buy? Searh for the Graycliff - first 20 results have none for sale.

Search for the 2008 tat - I did see it out of stock, formerly selling for more than $14 a stick in the box.

Another poster says Ihe wouldn't give $100 for a $75 100 count full of cigars. How much do you think you will pay for a Padilla Burberry? Oh right, another "not rare" cigar that can't be bought.

[AdamJoshua]

I wouldn't take this personal, this is a cigar site with people giving opinions that were asked for by the poster, unless you are the seller, either way I don't understand the attitude, he asked for opinions and he got them.

[T.G]

I have a case of "Italian Salad Flavor" Jello from the 50's. You can't buy it anywhere. Now someone give me $1000 for it and I'll toss in a six pack of New Coke.

[icehog3]

Anyone notice that the cigars some have called "not rare" "easily available" or 'not in demand' are cigars that you can't just go out and buy? Searh for the Graycliff - first 20 results have none for sale.

Search for the 2008 tat - I did see it out of stock, formerly selling for more than $14 a stick in the box.

Another poster says Ihe wouldn't give $100 for a $75 100 count full of cigars. How much do you think you will pay for a Padilla Burberry? Oh right, another "not rare" cigar that can't be bought.

I didn't, but I don't like Graycliffs, Tats or Burberries.

[E.J.]

Another poster says Ihe wouldn't give $100 for a $75 100 count full of cigars. How much do you think you will pay for a Padilla Burberry? Oh right, another "not rare" cigar that can't be bought.

Since I was the one who said that, did you want an answer or was the question rhetorical? Either way, my answer "$3 and whatever shipping is to get it to Tom."

ADD: I stand by, I wouldn't pay $100 for what I see in the pics. But if you would, great...see if you can piece it out with the OP.

[badbriar]

Down side to buying someone else's large cigar collection is the likelihood that there are a lot of sticks you will not care much for. Everyone has different tastes and IMHO, you are likely to run into about 50% that are not your thing. Good luck! :gary
RR

[RobR1205]

I'm gonna have to agree with the previous comments. The only premium cigars that I saw, ( which aren't that hard to find ) would be the Man O' War Armadas and Ave Maria Reconquista which both retail for $15-$20. The special edition AJ Fernandez Man O' War Maduro ( the one with the red ribbon ) may not be easy to find on its own, but comes in a lot of samplers. I got a Man O' War "special edition, limited edition, yadda yadda yadda" figurado sampler with that cigar in it, as well 5 other limited edition MOWs for $30 bucks off the devil site.

Not trying to make you feel bad or make it seem like those sticks are inadequate ( because I have in fact enjoyed many of the cigars in the pictures) but I think the general consensus here is that we don't wanna see you get screwed over and overpay for something that certainly doesn't warrant a $1000 price tag ( at least from the pictures you provided ).

Good luck!

[FNA]

Sure , everybody is entitled to an opinion, but that does not mean that theiur opinions are valid.

For instance, while saying a cigar "can be found easily" sounds like an assertion of fact and not an opinion, it is easy to see that it is neither a fact nor qa valid opinion.

I used the examle of the Graycliff, but the same is true for the Padilla - if you input these cigars into Google you will not "easily" find them for sale. As noted. neither appear listed for sale in the first 20 results on Google (which leads me to form an opinion that they will not easily be found listed for sale on subsequent pages). Even AF Anejos, called rare and hard to find by everyone selling them, can be found for sale in one page of Google results.

Thus, a statement that these cigars can be easily found is not a valid opinion because it simply is not true.

As to the "I wouldn't give $100 for that" - that statement is not meant to give the opjion that the speaker wouldn't like this humidor and cigars - the plain implication that this humidor and the cigars are not worth $100. This is despitye the facts we know - the humidor certainly is worth $75 (on sale) and if anyone has experience these branded humidors from CI, they know the boxes are in fact very nice, well sized humidors) and at least several of the cigars retail for more than $10 each and at least one can apprently only be obtained through investment in a $300 box of cigars.

It really seems unreasonable to me and misleading to the OP to imply that $75 worth of humidor, several valuable (i.e. $10 and up) cigars and 95 or so other cigars is not worth $100.

A little side comment on the Burberry - any one that can say a triple wrapped in a plaid pattern perfecto is not a rare cigar might want to pull out a Websters and look under "R". Really, not rare? Where can I get one today or a competing plaid, triple-wrapped perfecto that has been made over the years.

I made my comments because to me (yes, an opinion) the responses to this thread seemed to be mainly concerned with telling the OP what a rube he is for being interested in this deal. I mean come on - the photos were staged to hide something?

I saw no "bundlers in the photos. Why don't we go onthe assumption that there are not bundlers there, not that the seller is looking to cheat the buyer?

$1,000 is a lot of money. Pick any three humidors and 500 cigars that you own (no bundlers). Include some $10 cigars and some "not hard to find" cigars like say the Burberries or something else that you'd be willing to pay $3 for (if they could actually be bought today and despite the fact that they sold for more than twice that when available several years ago). So are your three humidors and 500 cigars worth $1,000?

[kelmac07]

You do know there are many other ways to find cigars besides just using a "google search"? I, for FACT, can buy some Padilla Artisans (Burberries) for $ 4.00-5.00 a stick. Same goes for the Graycliff at around $ 2.00 per stick. While everyone is entitled to their opinion, the OP asked for peoples feedback on the subject. If you cannot value someone else's opinion or disagree with it...that's fine too. Just don't go in a rant about how everyone else is wrong because they don't agree with you. :2

The OP asked for feedback and members provided it.

[jjirons69]

For a $1000, I'd get a 48 QT cooler and fill 'er up with chit I like. Rare or HTF doesn't mean good or particularly something I might like. Crafty shopping and you could get a nice collection of stuff you really like for $1k. I'd let the guy keep his collection.

[Porch Dweller]

For a $1000, I'd get a 48 QT cooler and fill 'er up with chit I like. Rare or HTF doesn't mean good or particularly something I might like. Crafty shopping and you could get a nice collection of stuff you really like for $1k. I'd let the guy keep his collection.

:tpd:

If I'm going to spend $1000 on cigars I'm damned sure going to spend it on things I like, not take a shot that somebody else's collection will have things that are to my taste. If I ended up not liking 1/3 of the smokes, that's $333. I can get a box of T52s for that and have enough left over for a 10-er of Padron 1964 Annys.

Now having said that, if you trust that the guy has stored the cigars properly, for a novice looking to try a bunch of different smokes, $1000 for 500 cigars and 3 humi's is not a bad deal at all. If you don't trust that they've been cared for properly, walk away.

[JenksAnejo]

Sounds like FNA may be the seller. Like others have said $1,000 for that? Nah, pass on that bro. The Tatuaje La Verites 2008's can be found in stock at some B&Ms. In fact my B&M has an entire case of it looks like 100 or more.. (I have no idea how they were sold). Anyways, Graycliffs are not very hard or hard to come by. Ultimately it comes down to your decision but as another member telling another I probably wouldn't buy it. You can do so many things with $1,000. Buy a cooler and go to cigar bid and get a bunch of stuff to try.

[icehog3]

if anyone has experience these branded humidors from CI, they know the boxes are in fact very nice



Sure , everybody is entitled to an opinion, but that does not mean that theiur opinions are valid.



At last, we agree on something.

If you think it's such a great deal, why don't YOU buy it?

[357]

At last, we agree on something.

If you think it's such a great deal, why don't YOU buy it?

Cause he alresdy has it Tom, he's the seller.

[pnoon]

Cause he alresdy has it Tom, he's the seller.

Do we know that for certain? Or is it conjecture?
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[AdamJoshua]

Do we know that for certain? Or is it conjecture?
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I thought it myself due to the seemingly defensive post, but am going to have to go with conjecture.

Hmm $1000 worth of HU half coronas ... that certainly would go with a lot of great morning cups of coffee, might even have one to spare for Tom :tu

[icehog3]

I thought it myself due to the seemingly defensive post, but am going to have to go with conjecture.

Hmm $1000 worth of HU half coronas ... that certainly would go with a lot of great morning cups of coffee, might even have one to spare for Tom :tu

:ss

[CigarNut]

bishes

[shilala]

I think the bottom line is that the OP is asking "The seller says this is a really good deal for a thousand bucks, should I jump on it?"
The simple answer is "No. It's not a great deal, or even a good deal."
It'd probably be a decent deal at around $500 if the cigars are in perfect shape, but I'd far rather spend my $500 on something I know I'll like rather than a "deal".

[Blueface]

bishes

:tpd:

[Remo]

Did the OP buy it? Inquiring minds want to know!!! And I also think FNA is the seller, just conjecture though Peter :)

[pnoon]

I agree that it appears that way.

But I think it presumptuous to call someone out publicly unless there is substantial evidence or knowledge. There is certainly not enough of that in this thread alone.

[milhouse]

I wouldn't do it. Putting the mediocre selection of sticks aside, the time value of money is what make me say no.

If you are into bargain hunting, and specifically these types of sticks go seek out your own deals on cigar bid. Probably will be more fun.

[CigarNut]

I agree that it appears that way.

But I think it presumptuous to call someone out publicly unless there is substantial evidence or knowledge. There is certainly not enough of that in this thread alone.

It's always better to believe the best rather than the worst. I will give the guy the benefit of the doubt even though his attitude when he jumped in was not as good as it could have been.

[357]

Sorry Peter, my post was just conjecture. It seemed all to like those new users who's only posts in their own thread is directed at singing the praises of some new brand we've never heard of.

[pnoon]

Sorry Peter, my post was just conjecture. It seemed all to like those new users who's only posts in their own thread is directed at singing the praises of some new brand we've never heard of.

Not a problem, Mike.
I just didn't want this to turn into a "lynch mob mentality" based on impressions.