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Robulous78
08-07-2013, 12:11 AM
With my recent weight loss and the start of school I will finally have access to a way above average gym. I want to make the most of it and while I can find plenty of sound, un-biased information about workout routines, it seems more difficult to get sound opinions on protein / crientine supplements...

My diet has nearly no protein in it as I am doing the meal replacement bars. they have approx 32g protein a bar and I eat 3 a day. on the days in between I eat salads with a small meat portion at best...

How much protein do I need to develop muscle but not gain weight? or if one inevitably leads to the other, so be it...

What supps do you guys recommend for protein? what supps do you recommend for recovery?


Thanks for your input in advance fellas...

Robulous78
08-07-2013, 12:38 AM
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Found this on a website -opinions? should I be aiming for 300g of protein or 500g?

icehog3
08-07-2013, 01:56 AM
If your goal is to put back on all the weight you lost, 500 grams of protein should do it in no time? I don't know where that calculator came from, but that is insane.

I am about 230 pounds, I lift 6 days a week, play hockey 4 nights a week, have an active job, and I don't take in anywhere near 500 grams of protein a day. My waist would go from 33 to 43 in a couple months. Maybe close to 300 to maintain, but like I said, I burn a lot of calories.

Your goals, both short term and long term need to be clear before anyone can advise you. Each person's metabolsim is also different, so there is no magic equation. It's best to use high quality protein supplements (I use Optimum Nutrition Gold Standard 100% Whey), a good amount of the stuff out there is complete junk.

My advice would be to get a gopod quality protein supplement if you are using it as a meal replacement, and to find out what works for you through experimentation with different caloric intakes and carb/fat/protein ratios. I find I have the most energy keeping my carbs around 20-30% tops, more carbs slow me down....and the vast majority are quality carbs (whole grains, brown rice, fruit), etc. I could just go on and on here, but there is no guarantee that what works for me will work for you...we have different metabolisms, different energy expenditures, different goals....I found what works best for me by long term experimentation and research. Good luck to you, just have some patience, as there is no perfect answer.

Robulous78
08-07-2013, 02:14 AM
I appreciate the words of encouragement Tom.

My goal is to loose fat more or less, I don't so much care if it is replaced with muscle as I want to basically look thinner when its all said and done...

with the bars my caloric intake has been around 1400 cals daily with coffee rounded into the total.

my salads probably top out at 1600 calories but I don't really scrutinize myself over them as I figure, fvck I've already come so far...

I alternate between these 2 days pretty much week in and week out, its nothing more than sustenance to me at this point, which is a good thing I guess? This typically allows me to shed 9lbs -ish about every 2 weeks...

I want to loose inches around my stomach, get rid of the college beer belly... I know most of you will scream cardio here and I hear you, I will obviously be doing some time on the treadmills... But I figure with a full weight room at my disposal, I might as well make the most of it while I can...

More or less I am looking for supps that aid in recovery, so I am not so sore and spent after working out...

mosesbotbol
08-07-2013, 06:41 AM
How about instead of a protein supplement you go with eating a small portion of legumes or add chia seeds to a fruit smoothie? You'll benefit from the fiber that the meal replacement don't have and it's natural.

A glass of low fat milk or small yogurt after a workout will benefit you. I'd try to stay away from the artificial replacements as much as possible right now. You don't need it.

Make sure you allocate 20 minutes or so for post work stretching, you'll continue to burn calories as stretching is quite energy robbing and you'll feel better after you leave the gym.

icehog3
08-07-2013, 11:39 AM
Immediately after lifting weights you'll want to take in at least 20 grams of a high quality Whey protein (again, I recommend ON Gold Standard), supplemented by at least 5 grams on BCAAs. The window for getting a fast absorbing protein into your system is short. There are other recovery supplements you can add, but this is essential to start with.

Robulous78
08-07-2013, 10:06 PM
BCAA's? care to educate a noob?

Robulous78
08-07-2013, 10:17 PM
Got it... Branched Chain Amino Acids...

Thanks again for the info... Ill get on getting my hands on these ASAP.

Do brands make a huge difference? is it bad to bargain shop for supps or can you get the good stuff without paying an arm and a leg...?

icehog3
08-08-2013, 12:52 AM
Brands make a huge difference in every type of supplement.

In some cases, it's just "what works best for you"....it's that way for some of us here, one pre-workout mix works great for one but not for another....trial and error might be necessary, unless you find a good one right off the hop.

With protein, BCAAs and other supps, the quality of ingredients varies immensely from brand to brand. A good whey protein will have whey isolates as the first ingredient, whereas most have whey concentrates....not nearly as "friendly" for absorbtion. Better than half (I'd say 90%) of protein supplements out there are junk. You can get some good recommendations from guys here, like I said, I use Optimum Nutrition for protein (Gold Standard), and Optimum Nutrition BCAAs as well as Scivation Xtend (which has some other ingredients for post workout recovery as well.)

Best prices I have found are at FitRX.com. Sign up for their newsletter, they have numerous sales and free shipping offers every month.

Robulous78
08-08-2013, 01:42 AM
Thanks Tom... :tu

Since I am a beginner, and a cheap a$$ to boot :lr , Here's what caught my eye...

OPT NUTR BCAA (http://www.fitrx.com/fitrx/detail_page.asp?pid=373029213528020134128058&product_id=8796&i_brand=118)

OPT NUTR PROTEIN (http://www.fitrx.com/fitrx/detail_page.asp?pid=373029213528020134128058&product_id=8836&i_brand=118)

Now the Protein says it has 5g BCAAs, does that matter? is there such thing as "too much" with BCAAs? I can't think that it would but doesn't hurt to ask...

if you approve of both of these I think I'll be purchasing them shortly...

icehog3
08-08-2013, 01:58 AM
Both good choices, Rob, the whey has isolates as the main ingredient, and no, the 5 grams of BCAAs is a bonus and will not hurt.

I prefer the ON powdered BCAAs, and you get a lot more servings (better overall value), but I am spending a good buck on supps so I try to pick whatever stretches my dollars best.

Robulous78
08-08-2013, 02:09 AM
Gracias Admiral.... :salute:

Robulous78
08-08-2013, 06:22 AM
What flavors of their powder do you recommend?

Robulous78
08-08-2013, 06:23 AM
Also, what is casein protein and where does it fall in place / how important is it?

icehog3
08-08-2013, 10:52 AM
Casein is another protein derived from milk, of a lower quality than whey. Some good quality products use it as a third or fourth source, many lower quality ones use it as the primary protein source.

My favorite ON flavor is Rocky Road, mixed in water it tastes like a milkshake. I've had the Vanilla Shake, Double Chocolate, they're good, Cake Batter wasn't a fave, and I just ordered Chocolate Peanut Butter but haven't gotten it yet.

mosesbotbol
08-08-2013, 01:09 PM
I've had the Vanilla Shake, Double Chocolate, they're good, Cake Batter wasn't a fave, and I just ordered Chocolate Peanut Butter but haven't gotten it yet.

Cake Batter sounds like an attempt to name the original MetRX formula.

icehog3
08-08-2013, 06:30 PM
Cake Batter sounds like an attempt to name the original MetRX formula.

Interesting and valid observation, Moses.

Robulous78
08-15-2013, 11:54 PM
Order Placed, Gym membership purchased, guess all that is left is to actually do it...

equetefue
08-16-2013, 09:35 AM
You go Rob!

Robulous78
08-19-2013, 10:10 PM
Got a question regarding High Intensity Training (HIT) and treadmills...


For the last 2 days I have done 2 miles on the treadmill in what I believe to be a HIT regimen, I go at speed 4 for 90 seconds then speed 6.7 for 45 seconds and repeat till I hit my 2 miles...

This definitely elevates my heart rate, which is the theory between HIT as I understand it, my question is am I going fast enough / differing my rest and speed sets enough to get the benefits that HIT claims? or would my time be better spent running a steady pace?

Adriftpanda
08-19-2013, 10:32 PM
I use to do a lot of HIIT when I first started out. I hate doing cardio and because HIIT only requires a little of my time, I decided it was a better route for me.

The reason that I prefer this over a steady form of cardio is simply, steady pace of cardio is just plain boring. With HIIT, you can mix things up. You can do jump ropes, ball slams, sprints, pretty much anything that will get your heart-rate up. A very important thing with HITT is you should never allow your body to adjust to just one intensity level.

It's obvious that you will burn more fat when performing at a high intensity level rather than a low intensity level. Studies have shown that if you're exercising at a 75-90% of maximum heart rate lost much more body fat compared to someone that exercised at a 60-70% of their maximum heart rate.

I hope percentage helps a bit. As far as if you should continue to do HITT or a steady pace of cardio, everyones body is different. I did HIIT because it's much more challenging and short! Obviously the steady pace cardio is less dangerous, but the reward factor is much higher with HIIT.

mosesbotbol
08-20-2013, 02:30 PM
A close friend of mine is one most sought after trainers in the city, what he does with clients is as follows:

3 minutes at 3.5 mph, 0 elevation
1 minute at 3.5 mph, maximum elevation

Repeat in the same cycle. Your flat speed can be faster, but the elevation speed is not as critical as you'll be working it. This ratio is also done between a few sets instead of sitting around between body parts. It's important to keep a minimum intensity level for the entirety of your workout with peaks (like weight lifting sets and maximum elevation stints on treadmill) and steady state (flat 3.5 mph).

Robulous78
08-20-2013, 09:38 PM
Thanks for the info Fellas.... :tu