Yahoo Baseball 2013- #53892

[hotreds]

League name: CA
password: smoke123

draft 3/29 9pm EDT- can be changed if necessary.

12 teams- 2 leagues- hopefully.

1. hotreds

[elderboy02]

I am in. Save me a spot.

[Mattso3000]

12 teams- 2 leagues- hopefully.

1. hotreds
2. elderboy02
3. mattso3000

[hotreds]

bump

[elderboy02]

Hugh, we need the league ID to join.

[hotreds]

It's in the title deadeye! All that weight loss is affecting your eyes!

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[elderboy02]

It's in the title deadeye! All that weight loss is affecting your eyes!

53892

:su Methinks it would make more sense to post it where you put the password since you need both to register ;)

[shilala]

I'm in, and Andy (blugill) wants in.
Can we do a pay-in, Hugh? Maybe a fiver of premiums and a fiver of troop smokes?
Prizes awarded at the end?

1. hotreds
2. elderboy02
3. mattso3000
4. shilala
5. blugill

[blugill]

Woohoo!
I think I'm getting this baseball fantasy stuff figured out!

[mkarnold1]

I'm in. Looking forward to another year! In it to win it...again!

[hotreds]

I'm in, and Andy (blugill) wants in.
Can we do a pay-in, Hugh? Maybe a fiver of premiums and a fiver of troop smokes?


Yes- if that is the consensus. I'm hoping to have a few folks from Badger and Blade join as well- they obviously wouldn't participate in this- hopefully that wouldn't be a problemo!

[mahtofire14]

I'm in.

[hotreds]

4 more spots!

[Mattso3000]

Woohoo!
I think I'm getting this baseball fantasy stuff figured out!

I most definitely am not getting this fantasy baseball stuff figured out :D

[hotreds]

I most definitely am not getting this fantasy baseball stuff figured out :D

Neither are the guys that charge big bucks for you to subscribe to their "expert" services!

[jledou]

I know I am slow and that is exactly how my team usually plays too :)

Signed up now though so now you all stay out of my bottom spot!

[mahtofire14]

Can we do a pay-in, Hugh? Maybe a fiver of premiums and a fiver of troop smokes?
Prizes awarded at the end?


I like this idea :tu

[hotreds]

3 spots open!

[dman4505]

I'm in

Don

[shilala]

All signed in.

[hotreds]

1 spot left! Now or never!

[Coach Deg]

If there is still room, I still want in. I will try to get on tonight.

[hotreds]

This is done! Sorry, Mike! Good luck to all- now- do we want to have prizes and a troop fiver buy-in?

[mkarnold1]

This is done! Sorry, Mike! Good luck to all- now- do we want to have prizes and a troop fiver buy-in?

I say yes to the entry and troop smokes. Are there players that aren't on Cigar Asylum, like you mentioned earlier Hugh? If so, they may not have smokes to enter or be interested in winning cigars.

[mahtofire14]

This is done! Sorry, Mike! Good luck to all- now- do we want to have prizes and a troop fiver buy-in?

This gets my vote!

[hotreds]

I say yes to the entry and troop smokes. Are there players that aren't on Cigar Asylum, like you mentioned earlier Hugh? If so, they may not have smokes to enter or be interested in winning cigars.

Yes, a couple. Since they're entering for the fun of it, we'll keep the entry fee and prizes for CA members. If one of them happens to win, I'll send him some wetshaving prize.

[blugill]

I'm good with the buy in and troop cigars.

Is the scoring going to be all of those stats?

[shilala]

I'm good with the buy-in and troop cigars, too. Someone want to set a value on the buy-in smokes?
Hugh, can we add two more spots so we can get Mike in? He's been a regular for lots of years. I'm not sure if the software allows it, but it'd be great. Might have to split into more than two divisions. The more the merrier, right?

[JenksAnejo]

If another spot opens up I'd be game as well.

[elderboy02]

I am fine with the buy in

[blugill]

I"m good with 14 teams.
Say a 25 buy in and 5 for the troops?

[hotreds]

OK- will add two more teams to the fray! The easiest thing might just be to have losers send fivers to winners at the end of the season based on the final standings. Non- CA(I think there are two or three) will be left out as they are playing for fun.

Those of you in Scott's division can send the troop smokes to Scott, those of you in mine can send them to me.

[blugill]

What is the scoring system we'll be using?

[mkarnold1]

OK- will add two more teams to the fray! The easiest thing might just be to have losers send fivers to winners at the end of the season based on the final standings. Non- CA(I think there are two or three) will be left out as they are playing for fun.

Those of you in Scott's division can send the troop smokes to Scott, those of you in mine can send them to me.

Are the other players members of a shaving forum? I know our troops appreciate a clean, comfortable shave. Perhaps the other guys could contribute to the league troop box in their own fashion? Just an idea :2 I also like the idea of losers sending smokes to the winners. Maybe the league champ gets to pick who he gets smokes from, then 2nd and 3rd.

[JenksAnejo]

I'd be in favor of a premium 5er, say $50 bucks? Just to make things a little more interesting... However, I'm fine with whatever you fellas want to do. I'm just glad to be playing! :tu

[mahtofire14]

I'm good with $50. Pretty hard to get 5 sticks at $25 dollars here in MN! The champ would be getting 5 Te-Amos......:r

[JenksAnejo]

Bump, anyone ready to get stomped in some FF baseball?

[mkarnold1]

Everybody except me! I generally do the stomping.

[blugill]

Yeah, I'm all stomp ready!

[mahtofire14]

Man, we set this thing up so early I'd almost forgotten about it.:r

[mahtofire14]

How/when are we finding out the draft order?

[elderboy02]

How/when are we finding out the draft order?

Yahoo randomly picks the order about 15 minutes prior to the draft start time.

[jledou]

Just thinking I need to do some research so I can say I have at least heard of half my team ... especially the last 4-5 rounds ... who am I kidding I mean after the first round

[blugill]

Are we set on a scoring system yet or using all of the stats?
Just curious as it'd be helpful in drafting to understand the scoring first.

[hotreds]

check the "scoring and settings" tab.

Also added a "NA" spot for minor leaguers that you might wanna grab for later call up.

[blugill]

I don't see like a simple stat like Strike Outs but complex ones like inherited Runners Scored.

[hotreds]

An out is an out- when a reliever comes in it's to prevent the runners
on base from scoring. If they do- it's a negative- this those stat categories.

[mkarnold1]

I agree with Andy, in with K's and out with inherited runners scored. Or we could keep the IRS and get rid of perfect games. Those are few and far between. I do think that K's needs to be a scoring category for P's

[mkarnold1]

For the net steals and net saves and holds is that successful- unsuccessful? (bases stolen -caught stealing, saves-blown saves etc.)

[elderboy02]

I would like to see Triples and IRA removed.

[mkarnold1]

An out is an out-

Not so, some outs are productive. For example, sacrifice flies and sac bunts are very productive outs. There are also ground ball outs that advance runners. Basically, putting the ball in play forces the defense to make a play to get an out. A K is always a non-productive out, thus it is a valuable statistical category.

[jledou]

I am still trying to figure out who is still playing ... I know who is finishing last in this league.

[blugill]

Two leagues of seven teams! It's going to be very competitive!
I'm looking forward to some close match ups!

[jledou]

Two leagues of seven teams! It's going to be very competitive!
I'm looking forward to some close match ups!

I don't know, I am very familiar with the path to the basement :D

[hotreds]

For the net steals and net saves and holds is that successful- unsuccessful? (bases stolen -caught stealing, saves-blown saves etc.)

Yes- If a fella steals 25 bases and is caught 25 times- not as good as 10 SB and no CS.

Not so, some outs are productive. For example, sacrifice flies and sac bunts are very productive outs. There are also ground ball outs that advance runners. Basically, putting the ball in play forces the defense to make a play to get an out. A K is always a non-productive out, thus it is a valuable statistical category.

Point taken- well said!

Will take into advisement the discussion and come up with something tonight or mañana.

[hotreds]

Pared down:

H= Runs (R), Doubles (2B), Triples (3B), Home Runs (HR), Runs Batted In (RBI), Walks (BB), On-base + Slugging Percentage (OPS), Net Stolen Bases (NSB)

P= Wins (W), Losses (L), Complete Games (CG), Shutouts (SHO), Earned Run Average (ERA), (Walks + Hits)/ Innings Pitched (WHIP), Net Saves and Holds (NSVH)

[blugill]

That's a lot easier to keep track of! Thanks!

[mahtofire14]

I like the look of that! Looking forward to the draft and the season fellas! Thanks for putting this all together!

[elderboy02]

Thanks for getting rid of IRA. Awesome! :tu

[hotreds]

Added Ks to pitching stats; we now have 8 categories for both.

[elderboy02]

Added Ks to pitching stats; we now have 8 categories for both.

Sounds good! :tu

[hotreds]

Don't forget draft tomorrow at 9pm EDT!

[mkarnold1]

I'll be at work. If I'm too busy to draft I'll be sure to set it to auto.

[blugill]

I'll be on Skype if anyone wants draft time banter!

[mkarnold1]

Added Ks to pitching stats; we now have 8 categories for both.

Thanks Hugh!

[blugill]

Good luck everyone!

[hotreds]

Hopefully a fun time for all of us!

[mahtofire14]

16 hr and 50 RBI the first week for my team? I'll take that. Too bad David price gave up 6 runs in three inning or my total record would be better. Great start to the league. Going to be a fun league guys!

[Milvel]

I want in the next one!

[mkarnold1]

No trash talk to speak of yet? Ok, I'll start. Pete, I think I'm gonna lay a whuppin' on you next week. I'll put a 5er for the troops on the line. You game?

[mahtofire14]

I'm game Mark! I'm liking the way my team is winning even though my whole outfield is injured and the backups are playing well. Should be a good matchup!

[mkarnold1]

Whoa! Hugh, you are fleecing Iowa Cubfan in the trade there. Mike Trout for 3 average at best guys? The guy that Cubfan is dropping to make room is better than any of the traded players. I think that one should not go through.

[hotreds]

whose fault is that?

[mkarnold1]

Certainly not mine. And yet, everyone in the league will be hurt by it (except you).

I'm not sure who Don is (Iowa Cubfan owner), but I'm going to wager a guess that he's never played fantasy sports before.

[Mattso3000]

Anyone who doesn't vote against it.

[mkarnold1]

Anyone who doesn't vote against it.

Voted against it 3 times, pretty sure I only have one vote. :sh

[jledou]

I'm not sure who Don is (Iowa Cubfan owner), but I'm going to wager a guess that he's never played fantasy sports before.

He's doing better than I am ...

[hotreds]

He's doing pretty well, actually. Dunno why he would drop DLed players, but I have enough trouble worrying about my own team, let alone everybody else's! Apparently some don't- lucky them!

[Mattso3000]

The trade is severely unbalanced and should be voted down if people are paying attention. Not you're fault, you're job is to better your team and this does that but it is not even close to a fair trade. I don't think how much time any one has is the issue here...

[shilala]

I voted against the trade, but only for one reason. Cespedas going in the garbage can.
If Hugh restructured the trade with Don so that Don cast off guys that you'd expect an owner to cast off, then I'd certainly let it go.
I didn't even look at Don's team, but I can imagine why he'd cast off Cespedas if he's loaded with OF power. Cespedas gets hurt. A lot. He also has large gaps in production because of it. Don's strategy may be to build a "set and forget" team.

If the trade does go through, I'm perfectly fine with it. I'll be jostling to the front of the line to grab Cespedas with the Arnold boys. :D

[mkarnold1]

He's doing better than I am ...

I know he's doing well, he beat me the first week. I have seen first time fantasy players do well many times. I was just talking about the fact that he has agreed to trade a top 5 talent for a couple of mid-range offensive guys and a pitcher that is owned in less than 1/3 of all leagues. The fact that he is dropping a guy that just came off the DL and is owned by 97% or leagues. Just seems like a noob move to me.

[jledou]

Maybe or he might know something we don't? I would agree this trade does look like a bad move and something I would not make although heaven knows I could use all the help I can get with my band of misfits.

In the end time will tell whether this was a good move or not.

[mahtofire14]

I see where everyone is coming from on this matter however I don't vote on trades. I feel that it is the responsibility of the owner to accept or deny the trade. If he likes the trade and makes it, great. He is still getting 3 players for one. Even if they aren't cream of the crop.

Also, Mark, where do I send the cigars for troops since you just eeked out that win against me?

[hotreds]

The trade veto was a provision to prevent lopsided deals towards the end of the season when it seemed obvious one person was trying to help another win. People get pissed when nobody is willing to trade and now a trade is vetoed. Go figure.

[Mattso3000]

Like I said before, you were perfectly fine in this Hugh. Whenever I do a trade I always throw something out that is in my favor and expect it to get rejected and a counter offer sent back until a fair trade is hammered out. The only trade I would think of voting against would be one that could potentially damage league integrity. If everyone else is okay with this, then I am as well. Time forget about this and concentrate on getting my team out of the cellar and back on track!

[mkarnold1]

Also, Mark, where do I send the cigars for troops since you just eeked out that win against me?

:banger:sl
Either Shilala or Hotreds handle the smokes for the troops. I usually send a box full at the beginning of the season to cover my bets (and then some) but you may want to just keep track and send in the box at the end of the season, assuming you make more bets.

[shilala]

I'm gonna go try to make me a deal. :tu

[mahtofire14]

:banger:sl
Either Shilala or Hotreds handle the smokes for the troops. I usually send a box full at the beginning of the season to cover my bets (and then some) but you may want to just keep track and send in the box at the end of the season, assuming you make more bets.

Okay. I will keep track and send a box at the end....Thanks.

[hotreds]

I'm gonna go try to make me a deal. :tu

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[Coach Deg]

:2. I normally do not vote on trades till the end of the season if it is truly unfair. As for this trade, due to Trouts slow start I really don't think the trade was too unfair. The worst part I thought were the drops.

If both agreed, this early in season it should have gone through.

[dman4505]

Just to set the record straight:

I'm not a noob at this I've been playing for quite a few years on Yahoo and ESPN I've finished first in a few leagues and also finished dead last in a few. So as the saying goes "This ain't my first rodeo"
I thought the offer was fair so I accepted it, believe me if I thought i was getting screwed in the deal it would have been rejected.
As to those that vetoed it that's your option and I don't take it personal.

Don

[mkarnold1]

Just to set the record straight:

I'm not a noob at this I've been playing for quite a few years on Yahoo and ESPN I've finished first in a few leagues and also finished dead last in a few. So as the saying goes "This ain't my first rodeo"
I thought the offer was fair so I accepted it, believe me if I thought i was getting screwed in the deal it would have been rejected.
As to those that vetoed it that's your option and I don't take it personal.

Don

I apologize for the incorrect assumption, Don. The trade you have with Hugh is much more even with Wieters involved.

[dman4505]

Apology accepted
No one attacked me on a personal level, so all is good.

Don

[jledou]

No one attacked me on a personal level, so all is good.



Now being a Cubs fan ... that's another story :sl

[dman4505]

I know
What can I say I'm a glutton for punishment and dissappointment
At least the Blackhawks are doing well

Don

[blugill]

And the Bulls....

[mkarnold1]

Hey Shilala, how about a troop 5er on this week's playoff matchup? Maybe an extra 5 if one of us puts double digits (10 or more categories) on the other?

[hotreds]

Argh!

[jledou]

Argh!

Yep, 3 starting pitchers yesterday 3 no decisions :sl ... that was my week in a nut shell...

[blugill]

Wow, I thought I'd lose in the first round.
Actually I didn't think I'd make the playoffs until the end of the season when I started to win a little bit.
Hot Reds dominated the regular season as well as Mahtofire.
Shilala was strong all the way and did well, JLedou was awesome all the way!
The Mashers, Burglars, Torpedos, and the rest all did really well this year. Just remember it's for the troops and that's something we can all get behind!
Congratulations to everyone!

[hotreds]

If you'd like to make a cigar donation for the troops before the season ends, that would be great! PM me for my addy.

[hotreds]

OK- if you want to do this like last year:

Send a fiver to the person ahead of you in the standings once they are finalized. If you can't figure out who that is, post here and say so. Winner doesn't have to give up any smokes.

If you have a different idea, just lmk!

Thanks all for playing- it does make the season more interesting- I find it a great excuse to pay more attention to the games than I would otherwise!

[mkarnold1]

Just going to throw this out there to see if it sticks. What do you guys think if the teams that did not make the playoffs send a premium fiver to the team that won. Shilala would get 20 sticks. Then the teams that lost in the first round of the playoffs send a fiver to the team that got second. Predators would get 10 sticks. Then the team that 4th would send a 5er to the team that got 3rd. mkarnold's mashers would get 5 sticks. Just my idea on how fantasy payouts should take place.

[hotreds]

Would certainly work for me!

[blugill]

Tell you what, if you'll send my winnings to the troops I'll call it square:)

[jledou]

Just going to throw this out there to see if it sticks. What do you guys think if the teams that did not make the playoffs send a premium fiver to the team that won. Shilala would get 20 sticks. Then the teams that lost in the first round of the playoffs send a fiver to the team that got second. Predators would get 10 sticks. Then the team that 4th would send a 5er to the team that got 3rd. mkarnold's mashers would get 5 sticks. Just my idea on how fantasy payouts should take place.

I am OK with this also. The only thing we would need to account for is if there are none CA members in the 12 team mix here. Hugh?

Andy we are going to need an addy :noon

[shilala]

I won, right?
I checked out to see what we decided to do last week because Andy mentioned a prize to me, and I had just plain forgot what we agreed on. We agreed on a premium fiver and troop fiver(less Hugh's shaving guys). At least most guys did and nobody disagreed, not that anyone would. It's the way we always do this stuff.
We never discussed a second place at all, so let's toss that idea.

I'd like for all the winnings to go to Andy, and I'll be sending him a real nice premium fiver myself. I told Hugh that last week, and wanted it to be a surprise for Andy, but he screwed it up by already asking that his winnings go to the troops.
Andy always gives and gives and gives, I think we should whole-heartedly refuse his request and see to it that he enjoys being the guy getting the love on this one. He has certainly earned it, by anyone's view.

On the troop sticks, I have a thought.
Rather than everyone send two packages, why not send the troop sticks along with Andy's fiver, and he can gather and forward them to Hugh? It'd save everyone some shipping, and I'll even pay for Andy's shipping cost if he's willing to do that.
Makes everyone a winner. :tu

That's my thoughts on it, but Hugh should have the final word. He's the commish. I'm 100% with Hugh, whatever he ultimately decides.
But I'm still sending Andy smokes. And I have his address, I do believe. :D

[blugill]

Send them to HotReds:)

[jledou]

Enid's not that big ... I bet if we address them as Cigars for Andy they would be delivered to the proper house ;)

[hotreds]

OK- originally one thought was for the lower to send a fiver to the higher, but that was only one option. People seem to be agreeable to Mark's idea. However, there were FOUR first round losers, so let's tweak a bit. OK, here it goes( and I reckon the amounts may vary a bit because of the non CA members:

Iowa Cub Fan, Elderboy, Jenks Anejo, Ninja- send your fiver to blugill(per Scott)

Burners, jledou and hotreds send fivers to blugill

Tampa Torpedos and Base Burglars send fivers to MKArnold.

So we theoretically have a 20, 15, 10 pay-out.

[mahtofire14]

I was also one of the first round losers. Not sure if I was thought of as one of the non-forum teams, but I do owe cigars to someone......

[hotreds]

You were the "Burners," right? Your sticks go to Andy- blugill.

[Mattso3000]

Big congrats to Scott on the win! That's a good copy on the cigars to Andy...need an address if someone could send me a PM please:D

[jledou]

need an address if someone could send me a PM please:D

same here

[mahtofire14]

You were the "Burners," right? Your sticks go to Andy- blugill.


Thanks, sorry I haven't been on the board as much as usual. I will PM him and get those out....

[JenksAnejo]

I also need an address for my sticks.

I also owe an extra 5 troop sticks for Mark kicking my ass on the Heyward/Gomez bet. :)

[Mattso3000]

I sent a PM to Andy to see if he wanted any of the sticks or if they should all go to Hugh for the troops.

[Coach Deg]

Where do I send mine? Addy please?

[hotreds]

Not finding you, coach. What was your team name?

[Mattso3000]

Where do I send mine? Addy please?

According to the list, yours are going to Mark (mkarnold1). You would think since he's my brother I would know his address. Sadly I don't.

[shilala]

Just wondering if anything ever happened here?
I didn't receive any smokes, and I never heard that Andy received any smokes.
You guys know me, I really couldn't care less about the smokes. I've got WAY more cigars than brains. I don't need any and don't want any, that's why I asked that my winnings be sent to Andy.
I'd just like to know what happened so I can close this out in my little head.
I think it's important that we all honor our commitments. I want to know once and for all if I need to send any smokes anywhere and be all done with this, because I'm worried I may not have honored my wager.
I've never seen a CA fantasy league, or anything like it here, that didn't close up properly. I don't think this is a good time to start.

If anyone needs Andy's address, please pm me. I'm sure I have it here somewhere.
Thanks everyone!!! :tu

[mahtofire14]

Andy I'm really sorry I've totally dropped the ball on this. I will get your cigars out tomorrow.

[jledou]

I am still needing Andy's address, PM into Scott if anyone else might have it please drop me a line.

[shilala]

I got Andy's address to Jay.
If anyone else needs it, just holler.
Thanks, Pete and Jay. Very much appreciated, my friends!!! :tu

[elderboy02]

I sent mine to Andy a long time ago if I recall correctly.

[dman4505]

I sent mine to Andy a long time ago if I recall correctly.

Same here
He should have received a package from Famous Smokes back in November

Don

[hotreds]

Was not aware of any problems! Please, let's make sure everyone got what he was supposed to! Thanks, see ya in March!

[pnoon]

Just wondering if anything ever happened here?
I didn't receive any smokes, and I never heard that Andy received any smokes.
You guys know me, I really couldn't care less about the smokes. I've got WAY more cigars than brains. I don't need any and don't want any, that's why I asked that my winnings be sent to Andy.
I'd just like to know what happened so I can close this out in my little head.
I think it's important that we all honor our commitments. I want to know once and for all if I need to send any smokes anywhere and be all done with this, because I'm worried I may not have honored my wager.
I've never seen a CA fantasy league, or anything like it here, that didn't close up properly. I don't think this is a good time to start.

If anyone needs Andy's address, please pm me. I'm sure I have it here somewhere.
Thanks everyone!!! :tu
:tu
Not just important but imperative. If you let someone slide, they may be apt to do it again. If folks are delinquent and/or non-compliant in their obligations, please notify one of the ToE.

[Coach Deg]

I was in league. I didn't know we settled on sending sticks. I don't remember sending any but the entry? Do I owe someone sticks?

[hotreds]

Iowa Cub Fan, Elderboy, Jenks Anejo, Ninja- send your fiver to blugill(per Scott)

Burners, jledou and hotreds send fivers to blugill

Tampa Torpedos and Base Burglars send fivers to MKArnold.

[jledou]

funny to say but hopefully it make it through the bad weather to the south of us ;) 9114901159815176890498

[blugill]

Same here
He should have received a package from Famous Smokes back in November

Don

Yes I did get two packages of cigars!
I was very appreciative of them!

[blugill]

I sent mine to Andy a long time ago if I recall correctly.

Yessir you did!
They were really appreciated!

[dman4505]

Yes I did get two packages of cigars!
I was very appreciative of them!

Glad to hear ya got 'em

Don

[mahtofire14]

I'm so sorry I let this slip Andy. It went out this morning.

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[blugill]

funny to say but hopefully it make it through the bad weather to the south of us ;) 9114901159815176890498

What an awesome selection!!!!
Thank you so much!!!!