Ammodor question.

[smitty81]

So I recently converted an ammo can to an ammodor with the help of Forrest (Golfnut). Anywho............someone said that these shouldn't be used for long term storage.

I am curious as to why not?

People use tupperware to store cigars and this wouldn't be any different really.

Any input?

[pnoon]

Not trying to be flippant, but why not ask the "someone" who said it.
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[oooo35980]

I was reading a particular website that said coolerdoors and tupperdors are only for short term storage and cigars can only be kept properly in a Spanish cedar humidor. If the humidity and temp are correct, I don't see the problem. But I also don't take a full minute to light my cigars with a bunch of matches or cedar spills, and more often than not I use my pocket knife or my thumbnail to cut my cigar, also I don't take the band off before smoking to avoid showing off, which is supposedly a serious breach in cigar etiquitte, so I'm just doing everything all wrong.

[smitty81]

Not trying to be flippant, but why not ask the "someone" who said it.
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Because that particular someone is really busy building stuff for people here and I don't want to bug him anymore than I already have.

[jluck]

Because that particular someone is really busy building stuff for peole here and I don't want to bug him anymore than I already have.

Most vendors (persons) don't mind answering questions especially on sales support.
Shoot him a email.

[shilala]

One or two of our guys in the sandbox converted them before. Iirc, they're already waterproof? It wouldn't take much of a conversion if they already are.
If there's a rubber gasket, it may need replacing, but that's all.

[smitty81]

yea, I already converted it shilala. I was just wondering why it's not intended for long term storage...........

[shilala]

yea, I already converted it shilala. I was just wondering why it's not intended for long term storage...........
Jared mentioned something he read, too. It doesn't necessarily make it so. I've personally witnessed the most amazing collection of cc's, one I'm sure will never be equalled in my lifetime, all stored in a huge number of coolers.
I wouldn't worry a bit, my friend.
Make sure it can't get wet enough to rust, clean it up really, really good so there are no oils, and rock on. You may want to throw some sheets of cedar in there or broken up boxes to help add some cedar essence?
I'd use them all day long if I had a pile. I think they'd be an exceptional way to long-store cigars so long as they won't rust.
Got any pics?
I'd like to see how they seal.

[smitty81]

Jared mentioned something he read, too. It doesn't necessarily make it so. I've personally witnessed the most amazing collection of cc's, one I'm sure will never be equalled in my lifetime, all stored in a huge number of coolers.
I wouldn't worry a bit, my friend.
Make sure it can't get wet enough to rust, clean it up really, really good so there are no oils, and rock on. You may want to throw some sheets of cedar in there or broken up boxes to help add some cedar essence?
I'd use them all day long if I had a pile. I think they'd be an exceptional way to long-store cigars so long as they won't rust.
Got any pics?
I'd like to see how they seal.

Yep, it has 3 trays in it that forrest made.

http://www.wineadors.com/uploads/2/8/8/6/2886408/8572354_orig.jpg?4658082

http://www.wineadors.com/uploads/2/8/8/6/2886408/7992172_orig.jpg

https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/456430_10150829598292284_505322283_9707358_9060334 89_o.jpg

[jluck]

Jared mentioned something he read, too. It doesn't necessarily make it so. I've personally witnessed the most amazing collection of cc's, one I'm sure will never be equalled in my lifetime, all stored in a huge number of coolers.
I wouldn't worry a bit, my friend.
Make sure it can't get wet enough to rust, clean it up really, really good so there are no oils, and rock on. You may want to throw some sheets of cedar in there or broken up boxes to help add some cedar essence?
I'd use them all day long if I had a pile. I think they'd be an exceptional way to long-store cigars so long as they won't rust.
Got any pics?
I'd like to see how they seal.

Huh?

[emopunker2004]

Huh?

I think he meant just because u read it doesn't make it true

[jluck]

I think he meant just because u read it doesn't make it true

Very true statement there just wondering why my name is attached. I added no conjecture.

[CigarNut]

Jared mentioned something he read, too. It doesn't necessarily make it so...

Huh?I think Scott may have been referring to Isaiah (oooo35980):
I was reading a particular website that said coolerdoors and tupperdors are only for short term storage and cigars can only be kept properly in a Spanish cedar humidor. If the humidity and temp are correct, I don't see the problem. But I also don't take a full minute to light my cigars with a bunch of matches or cedar spills, and more often than not I use my pocket knife or my thumbnail to cut my cigar, also I don't take the band off before smoking to avoid showing off, which is supposedly a serious breach in cigar etiquitte, so I'm just doing everything all wrong.

[Fia]

Yep, it has 3 trays in it that forrest made.

http://www.wineadors.com/uploads/2/8/8/6/2886408/8572354_orig.jpg?4658082

http://www.wineadors.com/uploads/2/8/8/6/2886408/7992172_orig.jpg

https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/456430_10150829598292284_505322283_9707358_9060334 89_o.jpg

Well the three trays made with SP should do you fine. I dont see why you couldnt use it for long term storage. I would burp it from time to time to allow for a little fresh air exchange if you arent going into it on a regular basis to grab cigars.

[shilala]

Very true statement there just wondering why my name is attached. I added no conjecture.
Michael is absolutely correct, I got you and Isaiah mixed up. Sorry, my brother!!!
Thanks for covering for me, Michael!!! :tu

[shilala]

Well the three trays made with SP should do you fine. I dont see why you couldnt use it for long term storage. I would burp it from time to time to allow for a little fresh air exchange if you arent going into it on a regular basis to grab cigars.
That's a really good point. Beads in the bottom to control the humidity down there and a fresh-air burp now and again, and I think it's as cool and useful as they come. The trays are more than enough Spanish Cedar to keep things good forever.
I love it. I think it's wicked cool, especially with the addition of Forrest's trays. I'd probably email Michael and get a Hygroset II for inside the lid to keep an eye on the humidity, but that's just cause I put hygrometers in everything as a rule. I seldom look at them and I usually ignore them when I do, but I like them there when I really want to know what's going on. :tu

[Blak Smyth]

Yep, it has 3 trays in it that forrest made.

http://www.wineadors.com/uploads/2/8/8/6/2886408/8572354_orig.jpg?4658082

http://www.wineadors.com/uploads/2/8/8/6/2886408/7992172_orig.jpg

https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/456430_10150829598292284_505322283_9707358_9060334 89_o.jpg

Wow those trays are great!
The only concern I would have is that it may not work that well for keeping humidity and temp. Being that the walls are thin metal I would guess (Key word is guess) that the outside conditions would greatly effect the inside invironment. As long as it is stored in a steady climate I would think it would be okay? :2
It looks great though, those trays look top notch!

[shilala]

That's a good point, Shane. A big cold swing would cause water to condense on the inside of the can. I'm guessing it'd be used just like any other humi, not exposed to that sort of thing.

[smitty81]

Wow those trays are great!
The only concern I would have is that it may not work that well for keeping humidity and temp. Being that the walls are thin metal I would guess (Key word is guess) that the outside conditions would greatly effect the inside environment. As long as it is stored in a steady climate I would think it would be okay? :2
It looks great though, those trays look top notch!

No, these are old US Military ammo cans. They are built to withstand harsh weather and keep everything sealed up inside.

This thing has a rubber lip under the lid and when you clamp it down, you can submerge it in water.

This should hold humidity like a tupperware container . Where I keep this box, it's always cool-cold. Think 75 degrees being the highest temp.

[smitty81]

That's a really good point. Beads in the bottom to control the humidity down there and a fresh-air burp now and again, and I think it's as cool and useful as they come. The trays are more than enough Spanish Cedar to keep things good forever.
I love it. I think it's wicked cool, especially with the addition of Forrest's trays. I'd probably email Michael and get a Hygroset II for inside the lid to keep an eye on the humidity, but that's just cause I put hygrometers in everything as a rule. I seldom look at them and I usually ignore them when I do, but I like them there when I really want to know what's going on. :tu

Which Michael??

[Blak Smyth]

No, these are old US Military ammo cans. They are built to withstand harsh weather and keep everything sealed up inside.

This thing has a rubber lip under the lid and when you clamp it down, you can submerge it in water.

This should hold humidity like a tupperware container . Where I keep this box, it's always cool-cold. Think 75 degrees being the highest temp.

Tupperware containers do not hold great humidity, they are not insulated. I am not saying they will not be water proof. But the thin metal is not insulated like a humidor or cooler would be. The non-insulated sides would make the atmosphere inside more influenced my the atmosphere oputside. IMHO.

[smitty81]

Tupperware containers do not hold great humidity, they are not insulated. I am not saying they will not be water proof. But the thin metal is not insulated like a humidor or cooler would be. The non-insulated sides would make the atmosphere inside more influenced my the atmosphere outside. IMHO.

Now I'm lost. :confused:

From the time I have joined, everyone has told me that they do because of the airtight seal. The humidity has no where to go.

If your talking about humidity swings from temperature swings then I understand.

Don't have to worry about that though. The place I keep them is like a cellar for temperature. There is little fluctuation.

[Blak Smyth]

Now I'm lost. :confused:

From the time I have joined, everyone has told me that they do because of the airtight seal. The humidity has no where to go.

If your talking about humidity swings from temperature swings then I understand.

Don't have to worry about that though. The place I keep them is like a cellar for temperature. There is little fluctuation.

:tu:tu

[OLS]

Not trying to be flippant,
Yeah, that's MY JOB.

[jluck]

Michael is absolutely correct, I got you and Isaiah mixed up. Sorry, my brother!!!
Thanks for covering for me, Michael!!! :tu
No worries shilala. I probably spew enough word vomit on this forum without taking others credit. :D

No, these are old US Military ammo cans. They are built to withstand harsh weather and keep everything sealed up inside.

This thing has a rubber lip under the lid and when you clamp it down, you can submerge it in water.

This should hold humidity like a tupperware container . Where I keep this box, it's always cool-cold. Think 75 degrees being the highest temp.
You should be fine Josh. Season them trays and fill it up!
Which Michael??
(Cigarnut) He's a good dude with the best beads available. :2

[smitty81]

(Cigarnut) He's a good dude with the best beads available. :2

I thought so but I wanted to make sure before I sent him a PM that made no sense.

[CigarNut]

Tupperware containers do not hold great humidity, they are not insulated. I am not saying they will not be water proof. But the thin metal is not insulated like a humidor or cooler would be. The non-insulated sides would make the atmosphere inside more influenced my the atmosphere oputside. IMHO.
This is not true. Any sealed container -- like Tupperware -- will do a good job holding humidity.

Most of us keep our humidors inside our homes where they are not subject to extremes of temperature and humidity which eliminates the need for heavy insulation.

[Fia]

I used to have an ammo can that I lined with 3/8" sp and it worked fine. Even traveled with it in the past. Got stopped at every security check point though!!! LOL

[smitty81]

I used to have an ammo can that I lined with 3/8" sp and it worked fine. Even traveled with it in the past. Got stopped at every security check point though!!! LOL

I'd imagine you did. :D

[Blak Smyth]

This is not true. Any sealed container -- like Tupperware -- will do a good job holding humidity.

Most of us keep our humidors inside our homes where they are not subject to extremes of temperature and humidity which eliminates the need for heavy insulation.

Gotcha, I guess my thought process was telling me that since there is no insulation that the inside environment would be affected by the conditions outside much more rapidly than if it were insulated. But I see you are saying if it's indoors and the conditions are not changing it wouldn't matter. So let me ask a newb question. If I had a tupperware or ammo box with a RH of 70% and I sealed it with no source of humidification it would remain at 70% forever as long as it sealed water tight? Not being a smart ass, just wanting to know how it works exactly, and I think it is still on topic.

I had read that when the temperature of air is cooled or reduced the RH increases, and it seems since temperature change would affect a space that is not insulated I would assume (What an evil word assume is) that the RH would be affected as well?

[smitty81]

Gotcha, I guess my thought process was telling me that since there is no insulation that the inside environment would be affected by the conditions outside much more rapidly than if it were insulated. But I see you are saying if it's indoors and the conditions are not changing it wouldn't matter. So let me ask a newb question. If I had a tupperware container with a RH of 70% and I sealed it with no source of humidification it would remain at 70% forever as long as it sealed water tight? Not being a smart ass, just wanting to know how it works exactly, and I think it is still on topic.

I'm a noob so take this for what it's worth to you. :2

Tupperware isn't 100% airtight, just much more so than that of a wooden humidor. The tupperware would (should) hold the 70% RH a lot longer than a wooden humidor as the tupperware is more of an airtight container.

With that said, no it would not hold the 70% rh forever because its not 100% airtight.

That is if we are assuming the enviroment is correct and it doesn't fluctuate.

[smitty81]

I am just reading some stuff that doesn't make sense to me, some stuff is conflicting and I am confused. Some stuff I read says that temp changes drastically affect RH so I would think that a seal might keep air in but the temp changes would change the RH regardless of the seal. Maybe I just can't comprehend what I am reading right now.

You are correct. The temp changes would affect the RH%. Even if its sealed up inside Tupperware, it would still change the percentage even though the RH is not leaving the container.

But as I am keeping this inside a mostly controlled environment, it should hold the RH well because of the air tight seal and it should hold the RH steady because of a constant lower temperature.

The container being able to release air will affect the RH% and the temperature will also affect the RH%.

Make sense?

[Blak Smyth]

You are correct. The temp changes would affect the RH%. Even if its sealed up inside Tupperware, it would still change the percentage even though the RH is not leaving the container.

But as I am keeping this inside a mostly controlled environment, it should hold the RH well because of the air tight seal and it should hold the RH steady because of a constant lower temperature.

The container being able to release air will affect the RH% and the temperature will also affect the RH%.

Make sense?

That's what I was saying all along. I guess I am just not on point today. I don't feel well. I'll revisit this and research more later when I can understand what I am doing.

[smitty81]

That's what I was saying all along. I geuss I am just not on point today. I don't feel well. I'll revisit this and research more later when I can understand what I am doing.

After I go back and re-read what you first said, I understand now. You meant outdoors or in a fluctuating environment.

I thought you meant that this wouldn't hold RH at all.

If it's kept indoors in a good environment, this should hold the RH well.

If I were to take it outside, then it would fluctuate just like a Tupperware container would.

[Blak Smyth]

After I go back and re-read what you first said, I understand now. You meant outdoors or in a fluctuating environment.

I thought you meant that this wouldn't hold RH at all.

If it's kept indoors in a good environment, this should hold the RH well.

If I were to take it outside, then it would fluctuate just like a Tupperware container would.

I didn't do a good job explaining what I was thinking, I am exhausted right now. Oh well back to your OP so we can move on, do the three shelves fit tight in there or do you have some room to move? Is there a spot for beads or do they just go in a tray with cigars? I saw somebody was selling these boxes with cedar lining but I like them better with the trays.

[smitty81]

I didn't do a good job explaining what I was thinking, I am exhausted right now. Oh well back to your OP so we can move on, do the three shelves fit tight in there or do you have some room to move? Is there a spot for beads or do they just go in a tray with cigars? I saw somebody was selling these boxes with cedar lining but I like them better with the trays.

There is room on the sides. I was hopeing there wasn't so much room on the sides. I'd have to measure to see exactly how much but I'd say 3/4" or so.

I wanted more tray space for more cigars.............

It actually comes with a humidity sheet which you lay in the bottom. I haven't heard of anything like this before I got it.

http://www.heartfeltindustries.com/prodimages/sheets%20large.jpg

It's a sheet you spray with dist. water and it's two way like the beads.

I'm not sure how well it works yet as I dont have a hygrometer in there yet.

Otherwise, I was thinking of throwing this in there. It contains heartfelt beads.

http://www.heartfeltindustries.com/prodimages/ah-1%20large.jpg

^^^^^^^^^This would fit on the sides of or end between the trays and metal can very well.

[Blak Smyth]

Interesting Josh.

[smitty81]

I will get some better pics of the inside tonight if you would like.......

You can buy the can and trays for $60.00 + shipping from Forrest.

I had a can that was my grandpas so I thought it would be cool to use that one so I would have a constant reminder of him.

[Blak Smyth]

I will get some better pics of the inside tonight if you would like.......

You can buy the can and trays for $60.00 + shipping from Forrest.

I had a can that was my grandpas so I thought it would be cool to use that one so I would have a constant reminder of him.

That's not a bad deal with the can!
Would be a cool travel humi for my needs.

[smitty81]

That's not a bad deal with the can!
Would be a cool travel humi for my needs.

They look especailly awesome with some cigar stickers on them :2

[Fia]

There is room on the sides. I was hopeing there wasn't so much room on the sides. I'd have to measure to see exactly how much but I'd say 3/4" or so.

I wanted more tray space for more cigars.............

It actually comes with a humidity sheet which you lay in the bottom. I haven't heard of anything like this before I got it.

http://www.heartfeltindustries.com/prodimages/sheets%20large.jpg

It's a sheet you spray with dist. water and it's two way like the beads.

I'm not sure how well it works yet as I dont have a hygrometer in there yet.

Otherwise, I was thinking of throwing this in there. It contains heartfelt beads.

http://www.heartfeltindustries.com/prodimages/ah-1%20large.jpg

^^^^^^^^^This would fit on the sides of or end between the trays and metal can very well.

Those sheets are really cool and dont take up any room!!! :)