Question for people in constant high heat weather.

[smitty81]

How do you guys keep your sticks on the cooler side apart from using the air conditioning in your house?

[Fia]

Freeze them before putting them in the humidor! That being said, most mfgs are freezing their cigars prior to shipment so it might not be so bad.

[Ogre]

Keep your humidor away from windows and exterior walls. Keep towards the center of the house and interior walls. If needed get a vinodoor and it will regulate temp like a fridge.

[icehog3]

Freeze them before putting them in the humidor! That being said, most mfgs are freezing their cigars prior to shipment so it might not be so bad.

How long will that keep them cool? A few hours?

[CigarNut]

How do you guys keep your sticks on the cooler side apart from using the air conditioning in your house?
Out of curiosity -- what are thinking when you say "cooler side"? What is the typical ambient temperature in your house?

[smitty81]

Out of curiosity -- what are thinking when you say "cooler side"? What is the typical ambient temperature in your house?

my house stays anywhere from 63-75 in the winter and 73-76 in the summer. I was mostly asking those people that fight upper 80-90 degree weather all year.

[Chingas]

I don't have high heat all year but for a few consecutive months it's high. For my regular smokes, I use wine coolers.

For my overflow, I close the door to the office (smallest room in the house) and set the ac to a moderate temp. From my understanding, if it's under 77 degrees, you should be alright. That being said, I prefer 70. The overflow cigars are in regular coolers with either beads or boveda packs.

[bobarian]

There is no place in the world with 80-90degree temps year long. They may have average daily high temperatures this high but it does cool off at night.

I assume you are asking with reference to beetles? Beetles need sustained high temperatures to hatch, most places cool off at night so even though it might get warm during the day the night time cooling will often go below the critical point.

Many of us(including myself) use wine coolers to keep temperatures lower. But I no longer plug in my wine coolers, I found it much easier to freeze all my boxes for 3-4 days before putting them in a cooler.

[MurphysLaw]

I keep most of my cigars in my edgestar, I keep my desktop away from the exterior wall and across from an AC duct, AC is always between 70 and 73

[jluck]

How do you guys keep your sticks on the cooler side apart from using the air conditioning in your house?

What are you trying to accomplish?

[icehog3]

my house stays anywhere from 63-75 in the winter and 73-76 in the summer. I was mostly asking those people that fight upper 80-90 degree weather all year.

I am curious why you are asking then...are you writing a book? :r

[Chingas]

I am curious why you are asking then...are you writing a book? :r

Always a joker Tom!!!

Maybe he's planning a move.

I like the book thought better...

[icehog3]

Always a joker Tom!!!

Maybe he's planning a move.

I like the book thought better...

I wasn't joking. :r

[mmblz]

otterbox. bathtub. 5 bags of ice daily.
:2

[CigarNut]

otterbox. bathtub. 5 bags of ice daily.
:2Must be the small Otterbox. :banger

[markem]

otterbox. bathtub. 5 bags of ice daily.
:2

why would you put a small, aquatic animal in a cage, James? I had heard that lawyers were mean and cruel, but ... :sh

[Hem]

Keep your humidor away from windows and exterior walls. Keep towards the center of the house and interior walls. If needed get a vinodoor and it will regulate temp like a fridge.

^ This!

I find myself googling winedor's daily now...I want..need..one..ugh

[pnoon]

why would you put a small, aquatic animal in a cage, James? I had heard that lawyers were mean and cruel, but ... :sh

Yes, James is a lawyer. But why would you drag him into it when it is Julian torturing the cute little otters?
:sh

[markem]

Yes, James is a lawyer. But why would you drag him into it when it is Julian torturing the cute little otters?
:sh

Julian is too nice to say such things, but James isn't. Ergo ... :tu

[pnoon]

Julian is too nice to say such things, but James isn't. Ergo ... :tu

But James doesn't mmbl(z). :sl

[smitty81]

There is no place in the world with 80-90degree temps year long. They may have average daily high temperatures this high but it does cool off at night.
I assume you are asking with reference to beetles? Beetles need sustained high temperatures to hatch, most places cool off at night so even though it might get warm during the day the night time cooling will often go below the critical point.

Many of us(including myself) use wine coolers to keep temperatures lower. But I no longer plug in my wine coolers, I found it much easier to freeze all my boxes for 3-4 days before putting them in a cooler.

What I mean by a constant high is no actual cold winder with snow and really low temperatures like we have here in nebraska. Sorry, should have worded it different.

[smitty81]

I am curious why you are asking then...are you writing a book? :r

When I pick up a new hobby, I try to learn all I can. Rather it be firearms, hunting, fishing, sports, brewing.......

I am relativly new to cigars and I am just trying to learn and understand different things.

I apologize if I am wasting your time, I would PM someone but I don't really know anyone that well here yet.

[chippewastud79]

When I pick up a new hobby, I try to learn all I can. Rather it be firearms, hunting, fishing, sports, brewing.......

I am relativly new to cigars and I am just trying to learn and understand different things.

More reading, less random posting and thread starting. You are spending too much time being over ambitious, spend some time learning. :2

[smitty81]

More reading, less random posting and thread starting. You are spending too much time being over ambitious, spend some time learning. :2

Thats what I am trying to do. You gotta ask questions to learn don't you?

Is there a Cigar Bible with all the knowledge in it I can read?

[ChicagoWhiteSox]

Thats what I am trying to do. You gotta ask questions to learn don't you?

Is there a Cigar Bible with all the knowledge in it I can read?

Use the search tool.

[oooo35980]

I live in Hawaii, keep my humidor indoors and not in direct sunlight, temp stays around 70. Are you asking how to keep something cool when it's hot outside? Or how best to keep cigars cool when your AC isn't working? Or how to keep the temp constant? Or just want to know how people store their cigars?

Maybe your question just isn't specific enough?

[smitty81]

Use the search tool.

I did............didn't find much.

[pnoon]

Use the search tool.

Or just browse. Think of this place as a library of sorts.

[ChicagoWhiteSox]

Or just browse. Think of this place as a library of sorts.

Exactly:tu

[pnoon]

Exactly:tu

I'll take Beer, Wine and Spirits for $200, Alex. :D

[ChicagoWhiteSox]

I'll take Beer, Wine and Spirits for $200, Alex. :D

:r:r
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kX8Qqu_WBIc

[markem]

Thats what I am trying to do. You gotta ask questions to learn don't you?

Is there a Cigar Bible with all the knowledge in it I can read?

Jon Caputo is writing the definitive guide. Until then, one can only run over to puff.com and learn all his wisdom firsthand.

[ChicagoWhiteSox]

Jon Caputo is writing the definitive guide. Until then, one can only run over to puff.com and learn all his wisdom firsthand.

I thought his name was banned over here?:r

[pnoon]

Jon Craputo is writing the definitive guide. Until then, one can only run over to puff.com and learn all his wisdom firsthand.

I thought his name was banned over here?:r

fixed

[ChicagoWhiteSox]

fixed

I figured we had a glitch in the system Peter. Looks to be ok now:r

[CigarNut]

Thats what I am trying to do. You gotta ask questions to learn don't you?

Is there a Cigar Bible with all the knowledge in it I can read?

Use the search tool.

I did............didn't find much.

Or just browse. Think of this place as a library of sorts.People learn differently and some people will naturally dig around to find some and some don't or won't.

It is more work to go digging and searching, but it is more rewarding in the long run.

It's fine to ask questions, but i want to ask you something: do you have kids or have you ever seen kids ask too many questions and the rest of the family or parents get a little tired of being bombarded all at once?

Don't make that mistake here. Ask your questions, but maybe pace them out a bit. Also, take the time to make sure that your posts are articulate.

Smitty81, I am not trying to pick on you -- just offering some advice that you can accept or ignore. Your choice.

:2

[smitty81]

Ok, I get it. I'm being annoying with my questions. Sorry, just trying to learn a little.

I will just leave it at that.

Later.

[JenksAnejo]

There are many websites including this one that have a library of information.
If you are trying to learn all you can type cigar 101 into google and there you have it. All the information you need to learn all of the basics.

[ApexAZ]

Hey Josh, living in Phoenix has me contemplating a strategy for keeping my cigars cooler in the summer months as well. I think for me I plan to get some big reusable freezer block things to rotate in my Coleman every week or so because my house never drops below 78. This coupled with freezing will hopefully prevent any beetle issues. Eventually I want to get a wine cooler.

As for the 20 questions, I can relate. I tend to ask first search later as well. I just try to keep it in check and be as humble as possible when I do it. Personally I haven't had much luck using the search feature, but it's probably user error.

Also for me I think it has a lot to do with the social aspect of opening a dialog with people. I like the interaction. Again though, it can lead to frustration for others when they feel like they are answering the same questions over and over. Even though these topics are new and exciting to you and I, it's old hat to the veterans of the forum. Michael gave some good advice about limiting it.

Anyways, I just wanted to tell you that I can relate.

[icehog3]

http://www.google.com/#q=keeping+humidors+cool&hl=en&source=lnms&ei=KsNNT5mIB8jOgAeF5-iMAg&sa=X&oi=mode_link&ct=mode&cd=1&ved=0CE4Q_AUoAA&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_qf.,cf.osb&fp=6e7a59ebc34cc560&biw=1024&bih=685

[ktblunden]

Hey Josh, living in Phoenix has me contemplating a strategy for keeping my cigars cooler in the summer months as well. I think for me I plan to get some big reusable freezer block things to rotate in my Coleman every week or so because my house never drops below 78. This coupled with freezing will hopefully prevent any beetle issues. Eventually I want to get a wine cooler.


If you're freezing all your cigars for at least 3 days prior to putting them in your humi you should never have a beetle issue, regardless of how high your ambient temperature gets.

[ApexAZ]

If you're freezing all your cigars for at least 3 days prior to putting them in your humi you should never have a beetle issue, regardless of how high your ambient temperature gets.

:tu

[T.G]

Hey Josh, living in Phoenix has me contemplating a strategy for keeping my cigars cooler in the summer months as well. I think for me I plan to get some big reusable freezer block things to rotate in my Coleman every week or so because my house never drops below 78. This coupled with freezing will hopefully prevent any beetle issues. Eventually I want to get a wine cooler.


This will cause condensation problems in your coolerdor.

[smitty81]

This will cause condensation problems in your coolerdor.

Would it matter if the sticks were in a zip lock bag?

[jluck]

So is this another beetle thread? Or are you curious about keeping cigars in hot climates?

Valid question, I'm not trying to be a d!ck.

[smitty81]

So is this another beetle thread? Or are you curious about keeping cigars in hot climates?

Keeping cigars in a warmer climate is what I'm asking about.

Guess it could be related to beetles though.

If you freeze them to start with you dont have to worry how warm they get afterwords?

[T.G]

Would it matter if the sticks were in a zip lock bag?

It depends on how close they are to the reusable ice blocks, but yes it might cause condensation issues in the bags too.

[CigarNut]

Keeping cigars in a warmer climate is what I'm asking about.

Guess it could be related to beetles though.

If you freeze them to start with you dont have to worry how warm they get afterwords?That is correct. Freezing == No Beetles.

However, humidity changes with temperature so you still need to keep your eye on things...

[smitty81]

That is correct. Freezing == No Beetles.

However, humidity changes with temperature so you still need to keep your eye on things...

got it.

Thank you for answering my noob questions.

[smitty81]

It depends on how close they are to the reusable ice blocks, but yes it might cause condensation issues in the bags too.

ok, thanks for your input.:tu

[kydsid]

Okay first off the only real answer for anyone in high heat environments to keep the cigars cool themselves is a wineador etc that has its own cooling device. You can search my threads and find a write up I did while living in a climate that even at night did not go below 80 degrees.


Second, sorry to burst people bubbles, but freezing is not a 100% pest exclusion method. You are kidding yourself about any pest to ever think that any pest control method is 100% effective. However thourough and below 0 freezing is highly effective on all insects and given the prescence of tobacco beetles is already low you are further lowering the chances to as low as possible to make an outbreak inprobable but it will always be possible.



EDIT: Here is the thread I was speaking of: http://www.cigarasylum.com/vb/showthread.php?t=19819

[ApexAZ]

This will cause condensation problems in your coolerdor.

I thought that too and will maybe store it in a gallon ziplock and/or possibly wrapped in a dish towel.

[kydsid]

I thought that too and will maybe store it in a gallon ziplock and/or possibly wrapped in a dish towel.

This dish towel will just become the breading ground for mold. That ice pack is a novel idea but all I see is trouble. Only way condensation isn't a problem is if you have air movement and a way to absorb it over time and release back into the environment. Otherwise you just fight a constant battle of removing it yourself with paper towels or the like then adding water to beads or other humidification device when you go low.

[kaisersozei]

You can always bury them in your backyard

www.cigarasylum.com/vb/showthread.php?t=34453

[CigarNut]

This dish towel will just become the breading ground for mold. That ice pack is a novel idea but all I see is trouble. Only way condensation isn't a problem is if you have air movement and a way to absorb it over time and release back into the environment. Otherwise you just fight a constant battle of removing it yourself with paper towels or the like then adding water to beads or other humidification device when you go low.
:tpd:

Unless you are freezing your cigars keep them away from ice -- you are only making problems for yourself otherwise.

[BC-Axeman]

You can always bury them in your backyard

www.cigarasylum.com/vb/showthread.php?t=34453 (http://www.cigarasylum.com/vb/showthread.php?t=34453)
Ah yes, the "Cigar Sewar." I had forgotten this brilliant storage method.

[smitty81]

You can always bury them in your backyard

www.cigarasylum.com/vb/showthread.php?t=34453

That is actually pretty cool.

[icehog3]

That is actually pretty cool.

Opinions vary.

[ApexAZ]

:tpd:

Unless you are freezing your cigars keep them away from ice -- you are only making problems for yourself otherwise.

Well, crap, okay. Hopefully 78 will be fine until I can get a vino, or 3 :)

[CigarNut]

Well, crap, okay. Hopefully 78 will be fine until I can get a vino, or 3 :)
Freeze your cigars when you get them and 78 degress won't matter.

[Malazan]

Here in Colorado, we have no Humidity. I have a hard time keeping 65-70% sometimes

[ArgusP2]

Okay first off the only real answer for anyone in high heat environments to keep the cigars cool themselves is a wineador etc that has its own cooling device. You can search my threads and find a write up I did while living in a climate that even at night did not go below 80 degrees.


Second, sorry to burst people bubbles, but freezing is not a 100% pest exclusion method. You are kidding yourself about any pest to ever think that any pest control method is 100% effective. However thourough and below 0 freezing is highly effective on all insects and given the prescence of tobacco beetles is already low you are further lowering the chances to as low as possible to make an outbreak inprobable but it will always be possible.



EDIT: Here is the thread I was speaking of: http://www.cigarasylum.com/vb/showthread.php?t=19819

This dish towel will just become the breading ground for mold. That ice pack is a novel idea but all I see is trouble. Only way condensation isn't a problem is if you have air movement and a way to absorb it over time and release back into the environment. Otherwise you just fight a constant battle of removing it yourself with paper towels or the like then adding water to beads or other humidification device when you go low.

:tu Jason knows!

[kydsid]

Well, crap, okay. Hopefully 78 will be fine until I can get a vino, or 3 :)

The edgestars retail for around $200, usually with free shipping. You can find scratch and dents as low as $100. With about another $40 in beads and you have one mighty effective humidor in a hot climate that for the cost and it stores a lot, say 18+ boxes of cigars.

Think about it this way. At a $140 you are forgoing buying only one box of the cheapest cigars you like and protecting everything you have now, plus everything in the future.


Drawers, shelves etc can come latter. ;)