Red Sox 2012

[VTDragon]

A new manager, a new spring training complex, a new, (yet to be determined) shortstop, hopefully a new attitude by the pitching staff, a new closer and a new general manager. It's been an interesting off season for the boys who inhabit the oldest park in baseball -(you know that you'll be sick of the 100 year anniversary stuff by May 1st).
It seems that Bobby V. is determined that the guys are going to work a bit harder this spring than they did in Tito's camp. That's probably a very good thing, especially if it avoids the type of disastrous start they got off to last year.
Some random thoughts:
I think Carl Crawford , (once healthy) will bounce back to his normal production.
I hope that Iglasias gets a real chance to compete for the SS job and that if he does not win it outright he gets sent back to AAA to improve his hitting. He can't learn to hit consistantly by riding the major league bench.
Can either of the other SS's in camp play 3rd? I hope so because Youk is getting old, spent a lot of time injured last year and could stand to be given a rest every few days.
I hope I'm wrong, but I don't see Bard becoming a quality starter. He relies too much on his fastball and needs to really trust his changeup if he is going to start. I see him going back to thebullpen once Dice K is healthy.
Aceves, on the other hand, will do fine.
It will be nice to not have to suffer through another Lackey outing.
We'll miss Papelbon, but New England native Andrew Bailey should assure not much of a drop-off in production.
Both glad and sad to see Wakefield retire. A great guy, but obviously his time has come and gone. (Now Varitek needs to face reality too)
Well, lots more to speculate on, but let the games begin and we'll see how it goes. If nothing else, it will be interesting.

[Subvet642]

I agree with just about everything, but I won't miss Pap. He made have had the numbers, but they were all ugly saves (hits, runs, walks) and if he didn't have a good defense behind him...

BTW, I thought Varitek was already gone.

[BHalbrooks]

I'm excited for the season. I believe my Fiancee and I are going to be able to go to the 100th Year game... to start hahaha.

[gettysburgfreak]

cant wait to get the year rolling. I think we will be ok without paps in the 9th but I really would like to see Bard in the 8th and not as a starter. Would like to see Lackey and Dice K make their way out of Boston but I dont think that will happen this year. Hopefully Jacoby can produce the sort of numbers he put up last year and everyone else stays healthy, the offense should be pretty good if that happens.

[JenksAnejo]

I'm definitely ready for some baseball to start!

[Dave128]

I miss Bobby V.

[mosesbotbol]

Would love to Dice K do something this season. I think he's exciting to watch when he's pitching decent. He goes for the strike out every time.

[kelmac07]

I really believe Cody Ross is gonna be a great pick-up for the Sox.

[tenbaseg]

I picked up tickets to a few games this year. Let's hope they can compete in the east this year.

[VTDragon]

OK spring training proceeds and I read the reports from Fenway South daily looking for some reason NOT to be optimistic about the coming season. So far, not much bad news.
The pitchers are doing well, (save a minor setback for Andrew Miller), Iglasias is not only playing superb short- but is hitting, Bobby V seems to have invoked a new work ethic that the vets have bought into, Papi is hitting, even Dice K seems to be ahead of schedule, the Bard experiment is working, there is real competition for the 5th starter slot, (not just the least objectionable choice, but actually some viable good choices), Bailey pitched well after a slight delay, Carl Crawford is rehabbing nicely and seems receptive to Bobbu V's advice, Ross looks like a good fit for right field. Can you tell it's spring? Everything seems peaches and cream, or am I just dillusional?

[Subvet642]

... Can you tell it's spring? Everything seems peaches and cream, or am I just delusional?

Like the rest of us...a little of both.

[Bruins Fan]

Spring training seems to be about Bobby V a real media whore.

[TJtorpedo]

Anything to get Sep '11 out of my head is a good thing!

I like Bobby V in the fold. He'll take plenty of the media heat and hopefully deflect it as much as possible from the players.

[VTDragon]

So here is THE question for spring 2012. Should Jose Iglasias stick with the big club and start the season as the Red Sox starting SS or should he spend some more time in Pawtucket working on his hitting?

My vote.... Start him in the Majors!

My expectation .... he'll be in Pawtucket to begin the season and will be brought up at the first available opportunity (virtually any injury to a non-pitcher).

[Bruins Fan]

In the old days he would play,but the SS position has changed over the years and know you have to be able to have an average higher then your weight.
You might see him sometime during the season?

[VTDragon]

.... he'll be in Pawtucket to begin the season and will be brought up at the first available opportunity (virtually any injury to a non-pitcher).

In the old days he would play,but the SS position has changed over the years and know you have to be able to have an average higher then your weight.
You might see him sometime during the season?

We're both right, too bad he would have been fun to watch. We will see him some time this season though.
Now, same question about Lavarnway except he can hit but his defense is questionable. I hope they say adios to Shoppach and keep him. (but I really think he'll follow Iglasias to Pawtucket).

[Bruins Fan]

Bobby V is coming off as a first class assclown and I think his run in Boston is going to be very short?

[taltos]

Bobby V is coming off as a first class assclown and I think his run in Boston is going to be very short?One can only hope. This is the most unlikeable Red Sox team since some of the teams in the late '50's.

[jjmitchem]

I cannot wait for the season to get going. I just wish there was pro team in Hawaii they were playing so I could see them. I can still remember my first game at Fenway - 1976 vs the Angels.

[The Poet]

Bobby V is coming off as a first class assclown and I think his run in Boston is going to be very short?


Well, maybe he's trying to take some heat off of Lackey, who's not only one-armed but also one-legged at present, what with that foot in his mouth. :D

[Bruins Fan]

You got to be kidding...Bobby V is going to be doing a weekly TV and radio spot in NY :confused:
I can not imagine the heat he will take if he breaks a story in NY before he gives it to a Boston beat reporter?
His days are numbered already the Sox better come out of the box smoking or he will be gone at the all star break.
I already hate his guts.

[Dave128]

We'll be glad to take him off your hands.

[PeteSB75]

Great start to the season so far... Two three run innings by the presumed closer(s) in an 11 inning game to cap off a lovely three days in Detroit. Next, it's off to Toronto, where we can replicate last year's start...

So what, 85 wins and missing the newly expanded playoffs this season?

[VTDragon]

It's beginning to look like 85 wins may be a stretch. Pitching, Pitching, Pitching.... didn't anyone tell Ben Charrington that they needed it?

[Bruins Fan]

Theo left this team in shambles,signing stiffs like Crawford and Lacky, and he resigned Beckett. these three stiffs make more then some third world countries oh and throw in Dice K.
Now you have Skelator the owner that wont spend money, all he cares about is his Liverpool soccer team.
Three games in and I'm done with them,only games I will go to are the ones my wife makes me take her to,she loves Fenway.

[VTDragon]

Hey, they won one! Nice to see some one elses bullpen implode other than ours.

Other than the obvious fact that we severly lack pitching, the one other thing that is clear after 4 games is that this team does have a LOT of offense. Should be a lot of 8-6 or 10-9 games this year.

[VTDragon]

Yikes, a three game win streak with the potential to SWEEP the Rays! Who woulda thunk it! This is one of the reasons I love baseball -162 games and everything and anything can happen.

Get well Jacoby. We need you.

[Bruins Fan]

Assclown Valentine,is a short hair from losing the clubhouse just one week in.

[TJtorpedo]

Assclown Valentine,is a short hair from losing the clubhouse just one week in.

Yeah, that didn't take him very long did it? I admit I was really sold on Bobby at the start of Spring Training, but now I'm wondering if he'll last until the All-Star break...He needs to stop yapping and concentrate on managing.

[VTDragon]

Yeah, that didn't take him very long did it? I admit I was really sold on Bobby at the start of Spring Training, but now I'm wondering if he'll last until the All-Star break...He needs to stop yapping and concentrate on managing.

I agree, like recognizing that Brad was done BEFORE allowing him to walk in the winning run. That loss is all on Bobby V

[VTDragon]

Just when you think it can't get any worse they blow a nine run lead!

How about we just fire the bull pen and bring up the entire Pawtucket pitching staff. They can't do any worse.

[The Poet]

Just when you think it can't get any worse they blow a nine run lead!


In over a century of play, that marked the fifth time the Yankees came back from a 9-run deficit to win a game . . . and three of those times it was against the Red Sox. :tu


:r

[VTDragon]

Just when all seems lost it seems that the Red Sox have a real life phenom on their hands. Rookie Will Middlebrook has hit three home runs and nine RBIs in his first four games in the big leagues. Hooray! something to cheer about for Red Sox Nation.

[Bruins Fan]

I would not get to excited yet, wait until pitchers get a book on him.
Bobby V is still an assclown.

[VTDragon]

I would not get to excited yet, wait until pitchers get a book on him.
Bobby V is still an assclown.
I know, I know... but I'm grasping at straws here. Gotta have something.

[VTDragon]

Back to 500! Hope springs eternal.

[area51]

This is such a disappointing season so far.

[VTDragon]

OK, the time has come. Go with the young guys.
Trade Youk and Beckett for a decent starting pitcher- ANY starting pitcher. Those two are a cancer in the clubhouse. Let Middlebrook and Nava and Kalish play every day until Ellsbury and Crawford come back. Trade Aviles and Podsesnik for another starting pitcher while they have some value, (competition is good). Tell Bard his only route back to the majors is as a short reliever- forget about starting forever. As soon as Iglesias is ready- bring him up and let him prove or disprove whether he can hit major league pitching. Trade Dice K for a AAA pitcher while he has some value.
Pawtucket has the best record in the minors- let's bring some of that enthusiasm and talent up to Fenway. NOW

[The Poet]

OK, the time has come. Go with the young guys.
Trade Youk and Beckett for a decent starting pitcher- ANY starting pitcher. Those two are a cancer in the clubhouse. Let Middlebrook and Nava and Kalish play every day until Ellsbury and Crawford come back. Trade Aviles and Podsesnik for another starting pitcher while they have some value, (competition is good). Tell Bard his only route back to the majors is as a short reliever- forget about starting forever. As soon as Iglesias is ready- bring him up and let him prove or disprove whether he can hit major league pitching. Trade Dice K for a AAA pitcher while he has some value.


And while you're at it, just torch Fenway and start over again. :r

Really, what makes you think you'd get more than a bag of peanuts for most of those guys anyway? ;)

;s , but convince me I'm wrong.

[VTDragon]

Goodbye Youk, the time had come.

Now, let's move Beckett and get back to a fun clubhouse

[ChicagoWhiteSox]

Goodbye Youk, the time had come.

Now, let's move Beckett and get back to a fun clubhouse

Chicago will take Beckett off your hands too

[VTDragon]

Congrats to Big Papi for being selected to the All Star team. Yup, the only player from the Sox, well deserved.

[The Poet]

Congrats to Big Papi for being selected to the All Star team. Yup, the only player from the Sox, well deserved.


Ehhh, do you mean Big Poopie deserved the honor, or that the Rod Sux didn't deserve to get any consideration other than the requisite one member from each team? :confused:


;) :D

[VTDragon]

Elsbury and Crawford are back and looking good. Dare I say reason for optimisim? In that vein, here's hoping Big Papi is not hurt too bad and does not need to go on the DL.