Mother kills intruder with shot gun!!!

[Coop]

Did anyone else see this story about an 18yr old mother who killed an intruder the second he got in the house??? I give her major props for protecting her child, and calling 911 so it was documented!!!

if not here is the link:
http://gma.yahoo.com/video/news-26797925/oklahoma-mother-18-kills-intruder-breaking-into-her-home-while-on-phone-with-911-27777235.html#crsl=%252Fvideo%252Fnews-26797925%252Foklahoma-mother-18-kills-intruder-breaking-into-her-home-while-on-phone-with-911-27777235.html

I tell the wife to use the pistol since the shot gun is a lot of clean up!!!!:r

[Blak Smyth]

I defend the rights of the mother here!
Wish I could convince my wife this is right!

[357]

At least she's in a state where she's not going to be prosecuted for defending herself and her child.

[Coop]

She made the right call. I am guessing the area she lives in is pretty bad since she also has a German Shepard by her side!!!

I know my wife would not hesitate to shoot if someone got in our house and I wasn't there to do the shooting. My wife use to go hunting with her father, so she is a pretty good shot!

[shilala]

The girl's husband died of cancer on Christmas. The break-in occurred on New Year's eve. She had to blow some piece of sh1t to pieces that kicked the bedroom door in and was coming at her and her baby with a knife. It literally made me tear up. I can't imagine how she's dealing with all this, may God Bless her.

[Jasonw560]

I defend the rights of the mother here!
Wish I could convince my wife this is right!

My wife is convinced this is right. She's just "uncomfortable" with having a pistol in the house. Won't even talk about scenarios with me. She knows I'm right.

[Coop]

My wife is convinced this is right. She's just "uncomfortable" with having a pistol in the house. Won't even talk about scenarios with me. She knows I'm right.

Get a biometric (fingerprint) gun safe to keep the pistol in. Have you and your wife's fingerprints to open it. That's what I have. Keeps the pistol for home defense ready to go, and safe so my kid or nephew doesn't find it

[SteelCityBoy]

Took me a while to convince my wife of owning firearms but she eventually warmed up to it. Now her shooting one is a different story! :r

She's so afraid of shooting! I got her to shoot a .22 but that's it!

[Coop]

I need to take the wife shooting, but not sure a pregnant wife should be brought to the firing range???

[mkarnold1]

Took me a while to convince my wife of owning firearms but she eventually warmed up to it. Now her shooting one is a different story! :r

She's so afraid of shooting! I got her to shoot a .22 but that's it!

My wife is also afraid of shooting, so I told her to use the gun as a deterrent to an intruder. The threat of pumping a 12 gauge should be enough to make a bad guy think twice. If it's not, I taught her the good ol' butt stroke to the face followed by the butt stroke to the groin. :gary

[Coop]

My wife is also afraid of shooting, so I told her to use the gun as a deterrent to an intruder. The threat of pumping a 12 gauge should be enough to make a bad guy think twice. If it's not, I taught her the good ol' butt stroke to the face followed by the butt stroke to the groin. :gary

Or just tell her that the guy breaking into the house will kill her if she doesn't kill him first. Should work out her fears of shooting someone!!!:tu

[replicant_argent]

My wife is also afraid of shooting, so I told her to use the gun as a deterrent to an intruder. The threat of pumping a 12 gauge should be enough to make a bad guy think twice. If it's not, I taught her the good ol' butt stroke to the face followed by the butt stroke to the groin. :gary

If she isn't ready to use it, she shouldn't have it, IMHO. You wouldn't want your wife to be clubbed and then shot with her own shotgun, now would you? Not that there wouldn't be a plethora of other weapons in arms reach, but being a paper tiger is no solution when great bodily harm or death is involved. At CQB distance, she will most likely have lost the battle at that point if she is unwilling to pull the trigger to negate the threat.


It is always a good thing to look at defensive strategies as a fluid learning experience.

[icehog3]

While I completely support the right to defend one's home from intrusion by any means necessary, it seems to me there is more to this specific story than meets the eye.

Call me skeptical....or suspicious...but I am not taking this girl's story at face value.

[Coop]

While I completely support the right to defend one's home from intrusion by any means necessary, it seems to me there is more to this specific story than meets the eye.

Call me skeptical....or suspicious...but I am not taking this girl's story at face value.

Looks like a trailer park in the picture. Most trailer parks are a pool of felons, sex offenders, etc.

[icehog3]

Looks like a trailer park in the picture. Most trailer parks are a pool of felons, sex offenders, etc.

I'm basing my skepticism on 25 years of interviewing victims and suspects. not on the victim's place of residence.

[Coop]

I'm basing my skepticism on 25 years of interviewing victims and suspects. not on the victim's place of residence.

What you thinking was the real reason???

[bonjing]

I HATE that reporters pretty much give up all information about the defenders situation. Why give up so much information to the dirtbags friends so they can plan a retaliation? I'm sure it's not to hard for the bg to find out this info, but why just give it up to them, at least make them work even a little bit for the information!

[icehog3]

What you thinking was the real reason???

I am not speculating as to a reason with the short amount of interviews I have seen. But apparently she knew her attacker.

I have been pretty dead on when it comes to parents coming on TV, hearbroken about their missing child....as to which ones are truly heartbroken, and which ones murdered their own child and dumped them in a creek.

My gut tells me there is more to this story than has come out so far, but it doesn't sound like the local authorities are going to push it. No matter, I am relatively sure the guy she shot was a sh!tbag either way.

[ade06]

What you thinking was the real reason???

In the yahoo news clip they mentioned that she recognized one of the intruders as someone who was stalking her. I agree that there is probably more to the story.

[bonjing]

I am not speculating as to a reason with the short amount of interviews I have seen. But apparently she knew her attacker.

I have been pretty dead on when it comes to parents coming on TV, hearbroken about their missing child....as to which ones are truly heartbroken, and which ones murdered their own child and dumped them in a creek.

My gut tells me there is more to this story than has come out so far, but it doesn't sound like the local authorities are going to push it. No matter, I am relatively sure the guy she shot was a sh!tbag either way.

She did say that she may have recognized him as the person who was stalking her. Maybe more will come out if the associate of the intruder gives up more information.

[neoflex]

Just saw this earlier this morning. Good to see the media shed a somewhat positive light on a gun owner.
Tom, I would love to hear your thoughts given your experience on the job especially given the years you have on the job and what you see that the rest of us may have missed. I'm wondering if it has to do with the mention of the possible stalker tied with the slight sense of cockiness and lack of emotion after taking another persons life. Now you have me thinking maybe there was a sour relationship there. I am honestly curious and intrigued and am by no means trying to be a smart@ss and stir the pot. Investigation stories about these types of situations have always peaked my interest.

[mkarnold1]

If she isn't ready to use it, she shouldn't have it, IMHO. You wouldn't want your wife to be clubbed and then shot with her own shotgun, now would you? Not that there wouldn't be a plethora of other weapons in arms reach, but being a paper tiger is no solution when great bodily harm or death is involved. At CQB distance, she will most likely have lost the battle at that point if she is unwilling to pull the trigger to negate the threat.


It is always a good thing to look at defensive strategies as a fluid learning experience.

Heard and understood, but she would not have the gun loaded. She doesn't know how to shoot so there is no way I would want her discharging a loaded firearm in our home with the kids there. Also, an unloaded firearm is a very good weapon for a person who is at a disadvantage in a fight, because of the unease and uncertainty it may cause in the assailant. The walnut stock of a Winchester 1300 is no "paper tiger", it will do more damage than anything else in the house.

[neoflex]

I am not speculating as to a reason with the short amount of interviews I have seen. But apparently she knew her attacker.

I have been pretty dead on when it comes to parents coming on TV, hearbroken about their missing child....as to which ones are truly heartbroken, and which ones murdered their own child and dumped them in a creek.

My gut tells me there is more to this story than has come out so far, but it doesn't sound like the local authorities are going to push it. No matter, I am relatively sure the guy she shot was a sh!tbag either way.

Disregard my earlier post as you answered it while I was typing. :tu

[Dr Voss]

I don't know the circumstances of course but either way they were trying to enter her home illegally and against her will and in OK once they enter against your will they are fair game whether you know who it is or not. I know that here in NC you don't even have to wait for them to make it in, if there is someone trying to break in and you believe they are intent on doing harm you can shoot them right through the door. Obviously a good idea to be sure but quit frankly if I know someone is up to no good and tell them there is a gun waiting for them on the other side and they keep trying to get in I'd just as soon not have the mess in my house and present the Darwin Award outside. If people want to act like animals I have no problem with treating them like animals, I wouldn't let a rabid dog in either.

It may seem harsh but I for one am very tired of good honest people having to live on lock down to protect themselves from social trash. Maybe it's about time for the criminals to know a little fear. I don't advocate vigilante justice but a person should have the right to defend their property and more importantly loved ones without fear of prosecution.

[ApexAZ]

The family of the intruder will probably sue her now. In my CCW class, they said that if you need to kill someone in self defense, you should assume you'll need approximately $100,000 for litigation expenses.

Basically, don't kill someone unless you're absolutely certain you have to in order to survive.

[replicant_argent]

Heard and understood, but she would not have the gun loaded. She doesn't know how to shoot so there is no way I would want her discharging a loaded firearm in our home with the kids there. Also, an unloaded firearm is a very good weapon for a person who is at a disadvantage in a fight, because of the unease and uncertainty it may cause in the assailant. The walnut stock of a Winchester 1300 is no "paper tiger", it will do more damage than anything else in the house.
And if the assailant has a loaded weapon, in opposition to a useless (at distance) weapon, the assailant may be quite a bit more likely to shoot first when confronted with that very possible threat. Negation or defusing of the situation before it becomes hand to hand is infinitely favorable to "hoping your wife can use it as a club as a last resort." A baseball bat might be a better choice, I suppose in that case.

I do not mean any disrespect in any way, but as someone who views the presence of a firearm as a responsibility, and when presented in a confrontation, I am mindful that hesitation may cause either escalation, loss of initiative, or an instantly reduced safety zone, an attacker, if armed with a firearm, may shoot at the earliest opportunity if threatened with a firearm themselves.

It's a glass half empty supposition, I suppose, and I am no tactician, but looking at the lowest common denominator is necessary, I think, especially with criminals.

[replicant_argent]

While I completely support the right to defend one's home from intrusion by any means necessary, it seems to me there is more to this specific story than meets the eye.

Call me skeptical....or suspicious...but I am not taking this girl's story at face value.

A thought or two along those lines had crossed my mind as well, Tom.

[ApexAZ]

I know that here in NC you don't even have to wait for them to make it in, if there is someone trying to break in and you believe they are intent on doing harm you can shoot them right through the door. Obviously a good idea to be sure but quit frankly if I know someone is up to no good and tell them there is a gun waiting for them on the other side and they keep trying to get in I'd just as soon not have the mess in my house and present the Darwin Award outside.

Honestly, if someone is trying to break in and I have time to escape, I would try to escape. Shooting someone dead in the yard is just too much risk. Replacing the things that got stolen or damaged would cost far less in the long run.

If you have no where to go and you're certain they have a weapon and intend to harm you, then that's another matter entirely.

[pektel]

I don't know the circumstances of course but either way they were trying to enter her home illegally and against her will and in OK once they enter against your will they are fair game whether you know who it is or not. I know that here in NC you don't even have to wait for them to make it in, if there is someone trying to break in and you believe they are intent on doing harm you can shoot them right through the door. Obviously a good idea to be sure but quit frankly if I know someone is up to no good and tell them there is a gun waiting for them on the other side and they keep trying to get in I'd just as soon not have the mess in my house and present the Darwin Award outside. If people want to act like animals I have no problem with treating them like animals, I wouldn't let a rabid dog in either.

It may seem harsh but I for one am very tired of good honest people having to live on lock down to protect themselves from social trash. Maybe it's about time for the criminals to know a little fear. I don't advocate vigilante justice but a person should have the right to defend their property and more importantly loved ones without fear of prosecution.

This.

[mkarnold1]

And if the assailant has a loaded weapon, in opposition to a useless (at distance) weapon, the assailant may be quite a bit more likely to shoot first when confronted with that very possible threat. Negation or defusing of the situation before it becomes hand to hand is infinitely favorable to "hoping your wife can use it as a club as a last resort." A baseball bat might be a better choice, I suppose in that case.

I do not mean any disrespect in any way, but as someone who views the presence of a firearm as a responsibility, and when presented in a confrontation, I am mindful that hesitation may cause either escalation, loss of initiative, or an instantly reduced safety zone, an attacker, if armed with a firearm, may shoot at the earliest opportunity if threatened with a firearm themselves.

It's a glass half empty supposition, I suppose, and I am no tactician, but looking at the lowest common denominator is necessary, I think, especially with criminals.

Out in a rural area of MN, I am making an assumption that an intruder would not be carrying a firearm. Given the scenario of an intruder with a gun, I would have to agree with you.

[replicant_argent]

I am going to assume anyone insane enough to try to break into my house, wherever it is, is armed, until witnessed as otherwise.

[pektel]

Out in a rural area of MN, I am making an assumption that an intruder would not be carrying a firearm. Given the scenario of an intruder with a gun, I would have to agree with you.

I'm in rural Northern MN. Everyone has guns here. Except me. I only have a Browning 30-06 for deer hunting. No home defense weapon. Except a rather sharp hunting knife that I keep wedged between the bed frame and mattress. I'm a very light sleeper (the train whistle 2 miles away through trees wakes me up), and would have time to get a jump on whoever would be trying to enter my home.

Almost picked up a biometric safe, and a S&W Sigma 40 cal with laser sight around Christmas, but the paperwork would've taken too long for me to purchase the gun while it was on sale.

[shilala]

Honestly, if someone is trying to break in and I have time to escape, I would try to escape. Shooting someone dead in the yard is just too much risk. Replacing the things that got stolen or damaged would cost far less in the long run.

If you have no where to go and you're certain they have a weapon and intend to harm you, then that's another matter entirely.
My home is exactly where I escape to.

I've had my home broken into twice and my car robbed twice. I had a vehicle stolen from my yard. The cars and driveway don't mean much, it didn't come with the sense of violation that the house being robbed did.
Our home was rural and non-descript, but apparently was inviting enough for someone to risk their life. No one was home during either break-in.

The thought of me running out the back door has honestly never even entered my mind. If someone enters this house, they will meet whichever weapon I find first. If they are armed, I hope they get time to get a quick prayer off.
People aren't stupid. They've balanced the risk before climbing in a window. With each robbery they get bolder and their odds of escaping unharmed diminish. They know that.
There's a little verse that's been in print for a few thousand years that says "...such is the end of all who go after ill-gotten gain; it takes away the lives of those who get it." (Proverbs 1:10-19)
There's not an individual in the world who doesn't innately know the essense of that passage, and there's nothing on the other side of a window that can't be gained by asking the help of others.

There aren't a lot of things I won't give ground on to keep peace, but protecting my home is one of them.

[BC-Axeman]

I'm with Tom on my initial impression, but if it's all on a 21 minute 911 call then the rest of the story should come out. Or not.

[elderboy02]

The family of the intruder will probably sue her now. In my CCW class, they said that if you need to kill someone in self defense, you should assume you'll need approximately $100,000 for litigation expenses.

Basically, don't kill someone unless you're absolutely certain you have to in order to survive.

I love Ohio. We have the Castle Doctrine. The scumbags family can't sue you if you shoot them. :noon:banger

[Taki]

The family of the intruder will probably sue her now. In my CCW class, they said that if you need to kill someone in self defense, you should assume you'll need approximately $100,000 for litigation expenses.

Basically, don't kill someone unless you're absolutely certain you have to in order to survive.

Thats absolutely ridiculous!!! Although very true...

[SNKBYT]

Tom makes a good point and for the record I would have no problem shooting a BG breaking into my house while I'm home

[357]

While I completely support the right to defend one's home from intrusion by any means necessary, it seems to me there is more to this specific story than meets the eye.

Call me skeptical....or suspicious...but I am not taking this girl's story at face value.

I've heard she was on the phone for a long time and even barricaded the door. Pure rumor as I haven't read it anywhere, but who knows.

The thing I thought that was strange was the picture they showed of her husband. She's 18 and has an infant. The picture of her late husband looked to be a senior picture taken in the early 70s. That would make her husband around 50+ years old. Not illegal, but possibly given the human gestation period of 9 months.

The family of the intruder will probably sue her now. In my CCW class, they said that if you need to kill someone in self defense, you should assume you'll need approximately $100,000 for litigation expenses.

Basically, don't kill someone unless you're absolutely certain you have to in order to survive.

First, I'm not an attorney. Second, IMO, too many CCW instructers are baselessly scaring the crap out of their pupils. My BIL instructor in Michigan told him the same thing. Both yours and his are wrong.

I found this, to refure your instructor's assertion:
http://www.azleg.gov/ArizonaRevisedStatutes.asp?Title=13
No person in this state shall be subject to civil liability for engaging in conduct otherwise justified pursuant to the provisions of this chapter.

See 13-413 which was ammended by this (State) Senate Bill 1145
http://www.azleg.gov/legtext/47leg/2r/bills/sb1145s.pdf
30 13-413. No civil liability for justified conduct; costs
31 A. No person in this state shall be subject to civil liability for
32 engaging in conduct otherwise justified pursuant to the provisions of this
33 chapter.
34 B. THE COURT SHALL AWARD REASONABLE ATTORNEY FEES, COSTS, COMPENSATION
35 FOR LOST INCOME AND ALL EXPENSES INCURRED BY A DEFENDANT IN THE DEFENSE OF
36 ANY CIVIL ACTION IF THE COURT FINDS THAT THE DEFENDANT IS IMMUNE FROM
37 PROSECUTION PURSUANT TO SUBSECTION A.
38 Sec. 4. Title 13, chapter 4, Arizona

So, while they can sue you if some whack job civil judge allows the case to be opened, you can even be compensated by the state for your attorney fees if you can prove you're immune according to the 13-413 statute.

Also, according to this link AZ has a strong castle doctrine law that extends to vehicles, hotel rooms, and includes a right to stand your ground (aka no legal requirement to flee before using lethal force).
http://askville.amazon.com/states-Make-Day-law-inspired-Dirty-Harry/AnswerViewer.do?requestId=36523919


And, this link states AZ no longer even requires a permit to carry concealed
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_laws_in_the_United_States_(by_state)#Arizona

[replicant_argent]

The thing I thought that was strange was the picture they showed of her husband. She's 18 and has an infant. The picture of her late husband looked to be a senior picture taken in the early 70s.
I noted that to my wife as well this morning. VERY odd. Glad I wasn't the only one to see that as something odd.

[ApexAZ]

We are a very gun friendly state. Still, it could be a huge headache that probably isn't worth the hassle for me if I could reasonably get away.

This is especially true if the perp is not even inside my home. Why should I take a risk of shooting at them when I could get away. Why put my neighbors at risk? Ive never had to shoot at someone under pressure. Might be that i could avoid civil litigation, but I most certainly face both criminal AND civil litigation if i somehow shot any if rhe children who live next door on either side of my home and across the street. This is just my own personal opinion on what I would do. I respect thy others may feel differently and have varying degrees of the amount of risk they are willing to take. But there IS some risk involved whenever the choice is made to shoot a gun in a populated area. Its up to the individual to decide if it is really worth it.

[pektel]

We are a very gun friendly state. Still, it could be a huge headache that probably isn't worth the hassle for me if I could reasonably get away.

This is especially true if the perp is not even inside my home. Why should I take a risk of shooting at them when I could get away. Why put my neighbors at risk? Ive never had to shoot at someone under pressure. Might be that i could avoid civil litigation, but I most certainly face both criminal AND civil litigation if i somehow shot any if rhe children who live next door on either side of my home and across the street. This is just my own personal opinion on what I would do. I respect thy others may feel differently and have varying degrees of the amount of risk they are willing to take. But there IS some risk involved whenever the choice is made to shoot a gun in a populated area. Its up to the individual to decide if it is really worth it.

My closest neighbor is a half mile away through woods. No worries here. I shoot clays off my deck in the summer time.

Though I do see your point.

[ChicagoWhiteSox]

With OK laws, she's fine as far as her legal right to shoot the guy. I think she would be fine in any other state as well.. The guys were trying for 20 plus mins. to break in, and one had a 9inch blade. That's enough for me to shoot any bastard breaking through my door. Kinda like shooting fish in a barrel if you ask me:r I think a couple rounds from a G20 would stop 'em:D

[Jasonw560]

We are a very gun friendly state. Still, it could be a huge headache that probably isn't worth the hassle for me if I could reasonably get away.

This is especially true if the perp is not even inside my home. Why should I take a risk of shooting at them when I could get away. Why put my neighbors at risk? Ive never had to shoot at someone under pressure. Might be that i could avoid civil litigation, but I most certainly face both criminal AND civil litigation if i somehow shot any if rhe children who live next door on either side of my home and across the street. This is just my own personal opinion on what I would do. I respect thy others may feel differently and have varying degrees of the amount of risk they are willing to take. But there IS some risk involved whenever the choice is made to shoot a gun in a populated area. Its up to the individual to decide if it is really worth it.

I totally understand your opinion on this. If I may play devil's advocate here, though, say you escape, make it to a neighbor's house, and call 911. The scumbag breaks in, finds no one is home, and goes to the next house where Mr. and Mrs. Smith and the 3 little Smithettes are sleeping. He breaks in, and manages to kill all 5 Smiths before the police get there. I know there would be remorse for the family, but would you think, "If I had shot his sorry carcass when he was on my property, the Smiths would still be alive"?

Texas castle doctrine includes the house and property, and any other real property under your control.

As for the lawsuit, check with your insurance company. see if they can add self-defense coverage to your homeowner's policy. State Farm can. IIRC, it's something like $100,000 coverage in case you get sued. I'll have to go back and check.

[357]

We are a very gun friendly state. Still, it could be a huge headache that probably isn't worth the hassle for me if I could reasonably get away.

This is especially true if the perp is not even inside my home. Why should I take a risk of shooting at them when I could get away. Why put my neighbors at risk? Ive never had to shoot at someone under pressure. Might be that i could avoid civil litigation, but I most certainly face both criminal AND civil litigation if i somehow shot any if rhe children who live next door on either side of my home and across the street. This is just my own personal opinion on what I would do. I respect thy others may feel differently and have varying degrees of the amount of risk they are willing to take. But there IS some risk involved whenever the choice is made to shoot a gun in a populated area. Its up to the individual to decide if it is really worth it.

Agreed that there is always risk in pulling the trigger in self defense. I suggest 12-guage shotguns for home defense, preferably with some sort of game load, not buck shot, for this reason. Still potent enough to handle any perp in your house with limited range/travel, limited wall penetration, less need to aim (easier to point shoot), and less expensive than handguns. It doesn't eliminate risk, but mitigates it.

I can't see just shooting some one on a whim; but I wouldn't hesitate if it were a life and death situation that I felt I could influence for the better. Michigan allows CPL holders to use deadly force to protect others as well.

http://www.michigan.gov/documents/msp/Legal_Update_-_Sept_2006_173197_7.pdf

Self Defense Act 2006 Form the state of Michigan:

MCL 600.2922b, MCL 600.2922c, &
MCL 777.21c
The Self-Defense Act
Effective October 1, 2006
Public Acts 309 – 314 of 2006 comprise the “Self-Defense Act.” The Act affects criminal and civil liability for those who use force to defend themselves or others. Prior to this Act, the law of self-defense was gleaned primarily from the common law (judge-made law).
General Provisions of the Act
A person may use deadly force with no duty to retreat if (PA 309):
1. They are not engaged in a crime
2. They are in a place they have a legal right to be
3. They honestly and reasonably believe deadly force is necessary
4. The deadly force is used to prevent imminent death, great bodily harm, or sexual assault of the person or another

Honestly if I can save someone's life, mine or another innocent victim's, by shooting a perp, I will. I won't be wondering if I added liability insurance on my last policy. To simplify, better judged by 12 than carried by 6.

[tx_tuff]

Well good for her for doing what she had too, in Texas she could have saved a 20 min phone call and shot him through the door! Hopefully it will have no long term effects on her.

I noticed the picture of her husband being from the 70s also, but hey to each their own.

Coop a shotgun is the best home defense, may be more messing but is much safer then a handgun. Makes even more sense if you have other family members in the house. A handgun is harder to aim and less accurate then a long gun. Plus you miss with a handgun round and it is going through walls and hitting stuff you can't see.

[Coop]

I'm no expert on breaking into a house, but I have locked my keys in the house and had to break in. Took me about 5 mins to do so with popping the lock open. Now wouldn't it be like 2 seconds to break into a house through a window if you weren't trying to not damage your home???

20 mins to get in sounds like a very long time

[Coop]

Well good for her for doing what she had too, in Texas she could have saved a 20 min phone call and shot him through the door! Hopefully it will have no long term effects on her.

I noticed the picture of her husband being from the 70s also, but hey to each their own.

Coop a shotgun is the best home defense, may be more messing but is much safer then a handgun. Makes even more sense if you have other family members in the house. A handgun is harder to aim and less accurate then a long gun. Plus you miss with a handgun round and it is going through walls and hitting stuff you can't see.

Want to buy me a shot gun for my birthday???? :D

[tx_tuff]

Want to buy me a shot gun for my birthday???? :D

I think you may know the best place to get one at a good price, and it's not from me :)

[Coop]

I think you may know the best place to get one at a good price, and it's not from me :)

From a Squad car at Dunkin Donuts????:sh

[mosesbotbol]

No matter, I am relatively sure the guy she shot was a sh!tbag either way.

Of course he was or why would he be trying to kick down the door?

If this was MA, she would be in jail. You're not allowed to protect yourself or family in the Commonwealth.

Good for her!

[Bill86]

I love Ohio. We have the Castle Doctrine. The scumbags family can't sue you if you shoot them. :noon:banger

TN too!

IMHO It makes sense. They broke into your house, they should pay the consequences. They understand the risk.

As far as what guns are best for home defense, hell I couldn't tell you. That's why I have a shotgun, 1911 and AR-15. I'll decide should the situation arise.

[icehog3]

While I completely support the right to defend one's home from intrusion by any means necessary, it seems to me there is more to this specific story than meets the eye.

Call me skeptical....or suspicious...but I am not taking this girl's story at face value.

Again, I want to reiterate that I completely support the right to defend one's home from intrusion by any means necessary...I am no liberal when it comes to this topic.

I just don't believe the girl's story at face value. As I said, I've been a cop for 25 years, and am pretty good at reading people in these situations, and something just ain't right with this picture. :2

[icehog3]

From a Squad car at Dunkin Donuts????:sh

Hysterical. :rolleyes:

[Coop]

I just don't believe the girl's story at face value. As I said, I've been a cop for 25 years, and am pretty good at reading people in these situations, and something just ain't right with this picture. :2

After watching it again, I agree that something will come out more about this story. Seems too staged with the 20 minute phone call... Also, who in their right mind would attempt a B&E with a German shepard barking??? I've never owned a German Shepard, but my last dog (Golden Ret) would bark if he heard anyone walking up the driveway let alone trying to knock the door down!!!

[TheCigarNut]

I am from St. Louis city and to start off - I think people defending their property is not only understandable but a responsibility. Coming from an area where break-ins and murders are fairly frequent I will be the first to say that thinking a criminal will stick their tail between their legs and bolt when hearing a shotgun rack is mislead. Some of the rural areas, maybe even into the suburbs - sure, I can see that scenerio but I personally had someone break into my house on the south side of the city - racked the shotgun and the guy cussed at me and squeezed off 5 rounds through the wall. A professional/desperate criminal has already A) delt with it or B) doesn't care.

In respect to the young lady - do I think it was staged? Absolutley not. Could there be more to the story? I'd put money on it.

From what I have gathered - husband died recently, young man attempts to break into girls residence and was identified as someone who was stalking her. She contacts 911 requesting assistance and essentially 'permission to use dealdy force' if he enters the residence. Man and accomplice attempt to enter ( I think 20 minutes is an exageration unless the 'breaking in' was excessive knocking which turned to shoulder checking, picking the lock, etc ) and 1st to enter is shot upon entering.

I find it interesting more so than 'there is some excessive foul play at hand' - none the less - Hopefully the full 'truth' comes out and I hope those in commonwealth areas are able to defend themselves properly without the fear of prosecution.

Hornchen
Semper Fi

[ChicagoWhiteSox]

Well good for her for doing what she had too, in Texas she could have saved a 20 min phone call and shot him through the door! Hopefully it will have no long term effects on her.

I noticed the picture of her husband being from the 70s also, but hey to each their own.

Coop a shotgun is the best home defense, may be more messing but is much safer then a handgun. Makes even more sense if you have other family members in the house. A handgun is harder to aim and less accurate then a long gun. Plus you miss with a handgun round and it is going through walls and hitting stuff you can't see.

I would rather use a semiauto pistol myself, I just like the idea of having better maneuverability, and I'm fairly good at shooting pistols, more so than shotguns for some reason(I don't shoot much of my shotgun, only when duck hunting):r. I understand why the majority of people choose shotguns for home defense though.

[Dr Voss]

One thing to remember about handguns for defense is that if you miss that bullet is going to go through a fair number of walls before it stops. It could be multiple rooms in your home or your neighbors. Just saying choose your weapons and target carefully, the worst thing would be to miss the bad guy and kill a bystander. IMO shotgun with lead shot or AR-15 with hollow tips are the safest, devastating on a soft target but will rarely penetrate a sheet rock wall. Second choice is a handgun. Best choice, whatever it takes to make the bad guy dead and you alive. Whatever the choice you gotta practice. In the moment you can't be figuring out how to use whatever you have, there are too many other choices that need made in that instant.

[Coop]

Hollow tips in a handgun works for me!!!!

Also if I miss my mark, I may miss by a couple inches. Still going to hit the guy in the lung, neck, maybe shoulder if I went to bed drunk off of jack....

[ChicagoWhiteSox]

One thing to remember about handguns for defense is that if you miss that bullet is going to go through a fair number of walls before it stops. It could be multiple rooms in your home or your neighbors. Just saying choose your weapons and target carefully, the worst thing would be to miss the bad guy and kill a bystander. IMO shotgun with lead shot or AR-15 with hollow tips are the safest, devastating on a soft target but will rarely penetrate a sheet rock wall. Second choice is a handgun. Best choice, whatever it takes to make the bad guy dead and you alive. Whatever the choice you gotta practice. In the moment you can't be figuring out how to use whatever you have, there are too many other choices that need made in that instant.

:tpd:
Practice a lot. The more the better.

[mosesbotbol]

20 minutes is an eternity in a situation like that.

[ChicagoWhiteSox]

20 minutes is an eternity in a situation like that.

Sure is. It makes you wonder what really happened or what the real story is..