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goomer
12-04-2011, 09:25 AM
I know it's been a bad year and may be hard to admit it for some but: My name is Sean and I'm a Vikings fan. I've been on the wagon now for over 25 years and can't seem to fall off. Even during years like this one. I know I've seen quite a few minnesotans on here. How many are Vikes fans?

Mattso3000
12-04-2011, 09:27 AM
Hi, my name is Matt and I have a problem. I'm a Vikings fan.

mkarnold1
12-04-2011, 09:29 AM
Who's got two thumbs and is a bit depressed about the Vikings current season? This guy. Yeah, they have a ways to go to get better next year. Need a solid draft for Offensive line. I would go O-line 1st and 2nd round and look to FA for cornerback help. And draft secondary, LB and WR with the rest of the picks.

Mattso3000
12-04-2011, 09:33 AM
Sean, where in AZ are you? The folks have a place in Green Valley and it's pretty likely I'll get down to visit at least once this winter.

goomer
12-04-2011, 09:36 AM
I would agree with your draft assessment. The biggest problem with the vikings is that they are just good enough to be almost there. They never go into a rebuilding year, or years. Instead they get older players with a year or two left in them to fill in on weak spots. Of course going into a rebuilding period now means by the time the team is rebuilt in a couple of years, AP will be on the downhill slide.

goomer
12-04-2011, 09:39 AM
Sean, where in AZ are you? The folks have a place in Green Valley and it's pretty likely I'll get down to visit at least once this winter.

I'm down at Ft. Huachuca. According to Mapquest, green valley isn't that far away. Let me know when you make it down!

Mattso3000
12-04-2011, 11:15 AM
Alright...2-0!

goomer
12-04-2011, 12:54 PM
With the exception of the turn overs in the first quarter, it's looking pretty good! Now they have to stop Tebow from doing his end of game comeback.

Mattso3000
12-04-2011, 02:20 PM
Yep. That was what they needed to do. Ouch.

mkarnold1
12-04-2011, 02:24 PM
That was some ugly defense the whole second half. Oh well, we should have a top 5 pick in the draft for sure now.

Powers
12-04-2011, 02:25 PM
Tebow!!!

Mattso3000
12-04-2011, 02:29 PM
Tebow!!!

The Vikings made him look like a legitimate NFL QB.

Powers
12-04-2011, 02:30 PM
The Vikings made him look like a legitimate NFL QB.

He is a legitimate QB. 6-1 a fluke?

Mattso3000
12-04-2011, 02:32 PM
He is a legitimate QB. 6-1 a fluke?

:r:rjust a jab, he looked good. Sore loser here.

Powers
12-04-2011, 02:35 PM
:r:rjust a jab, he looked good. Sore loser here.

No worries. I was the same class as Tebow at Florida (graduated in 2010) so I've been rooting for Percy as well :tu

Mattso3000
12-04-2011, 02:44 PM
No worries. I was the same class as Tebow at Florida (graduated in 2010) so I've been rooting for Percy as well :tu

Percy had a great game.

goomer
12-04-2011, 03:22 PM
That is the bright side. They should get some great draft picks.

Wanger
12-05-2011, 08:43 AM
Hi...my name is Mike, and I'm a Vikings fan. I haven't cheered for another team for over 38 years. I also cannot fall off the wagon, as well. If I do, I'm dragged behind it until I'm pulled back up, bruised and bloody.

As for yesterday's game, they can make ANYONE look like a good QB. How about that DB play?:confused: Ponder made some rookie mistakes, and that's what cost them the game. They pretty much gave it away. :td

As for needs...I think they're set with Ponder. He seems to be a much better QB than I had thought he was when they drafted him. The biggest needs of this team are DB (both safety and CB) and WR. Obviously they're set at RB with the extension of AD and having Gerhart back there. Harvin is a stud, but with the health issues he's had, they need to protect him a bit. And he needs another playmaker on the outside to compliment him. Rudolph definitely has a bright future at TE. O-line needs some help, but I don't see it as much of a pressing need as players on the outside. They're fairly well covered on the D-line. Adding some depth there would be helpful, though. As for the LBs, I have no idea what to say. Greenway is a tremendous player. EJ Henderson has played solidly, and Erin Henderson has played better than expected. Could they use another playmaker there? Yeah, but it's not needed. The DBs are a MESS. Griffin may never become the player he was on his way to being before he shredded his knees. Winfield is still a stud when he's healthy (which hasn't been often enough lately), but he's definitely on the downside of his career. Cook? HAH! Have fun in jail. Asher Allen may be a servicable nickel back, but nothing more than that. Other than that, the rest of the CBs are guys who likely won't be playing anywhere next year. Safeties...Abdullah has his moments, but he is horrendous in coverage most of the time (bad angles, poor tackling, etc.). Sanford can be OK at times. As for the rest of them on the roster...??? No idea. Raymond is a rookie who was only expected to play on special teams. Can he become a decent safety in the NFL? I have no clue.

How can they fix these issues? Obviously, they'll have a high draft choice, but which way will they go? That depends on who will be available and declare for the draft. I really don't know who the stud college players are at those positions. What free agents will be available, as well? I'd prefer to draft a WR and go the FA route to get a DB or 2, but with a top 5 pick, I don't know if there will be a WR worthy of that high a pick available.

MNSmoker
12-05-2011, 06:18 PM
Hi, my name is Chris and I bleed purple. It pains me to say that I'm a life long Vikes fan. I still wear the scars of the '98 and '09 seasons. Thank God I'm too young to have suffered through the 0-4 Super Bowls!!

Wanger
12-07-2011, 06:36 AM
I was at that '98 game...PAINFUL memory. :( The therapy still hasn't helped. Not sure if it ever will, and they may need to up the meds.

replicant_argent
12-07-2011, 06:45 AM
I was at that '98 game...PAINFUL memory. :( The therapy still hasn't helped. Not sure if it ever will, and they may need to up the meds.

https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/313615_2583619786006_1119826136_33020607_994776437 _n.jpg
Sparkly Vampire Vikings?

You may need to double the meds.

;)

Mattso3000
12-07-2011, 06:46 AM
I was at that '98 game...PAINFUL memory. :( The therapy still hasn't helped. Not sure if it ever will, and they may need to up the meds.

If you went to the bar across the street we probably met that day...I was working at Hubert's during that damn game.

Volusianator
12-07-2011, 06:59 AM
Can I play in this thread!?

Wanger
12-07-2011, 07:02 AM
Sparkly Vampire Vikings?

You may need to double the meds.

;)

Gee, thanks, Pete. :p

This might help:

http://lh5.ggpht.com/-0h3QVZ1d-e0/TmlKleqmibI/AAAAAAAAAOk/QEoIOZ1SM3A/162409286-fukitol2.jpg

Mattso3000
12-07-2011, 07:03 AM
Can I play in this thread!?
Sure

I was in Lambeau when Moss put up 2 tds and the Vikings destroyed the Pack in 98...

Wanger
12-07-2011, 07:03 AM
Can I play in this thread!?

Just stick the knife in quickly, Wade. LOL

Mattso3000
12-07-2011, 07:04 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rEVSE0D9C6E

Volusianator
12-07-2011, 07:08 AM
13 years ago...LOL, you keep hanging your hat on that game. I'll hang my hat on this:

http://www.latimes.com/media/photo/2011-02/59243200.jpg

Sure

I was in Lambeau when Moss put up 2 tds and the Vikings destroyed the Pack in 98...

Volusianator
12-07-2011, 07:08 AM
:tu


Just stick the knife in quickly, Wade. LOL

Mattso3000
12-07-2011, 07:11 AM
It's all we got.:fu2

goomer
12-07-2011, 07:12 AM
I've heard that recovery is a long hard road. Did any of your see the video of the little girl crying over the vikings loss to green bay? All I could think is: poor girl, she's got a lifetime of it ahead of her.

Last winter we got down to -7 degrees here at Fort Huachuca. I thought maybe since we'd frozen over, perhaps hell had too and the vikings would have a shot this year. Oh well. At least it looks like they'll be good again in a couple of years after some rebuilding. I think Ponder is going to be good once he's protected by a good O-line and has some good receivers to throw to.

Volusianator
12-07-2011, 07:17 AM
Aw c'mon now, you got a well storied history in the Super Bowl:

1970 - Super Bowl IV

1974 - Super Bowl VII

1975 - Super Bowl IX

1977 - Super Bowl XI


Don't you recall? Would you like a little history lesson on how those games turned out?

I mean it's been 34 years since you've been to one, but it's gotta happen soon...right?! :r



It's all we got.:fu2

goomer
12-07-2011, 07:18 AM
Rogers is one hell of a QB. Fortunately for us vikes fans, his WR's will begin the downward slide in age soon and their near term draft picks are going to have to go to shoring up their D secondary. In a couple of years the pack will be falling off of the radar and the vikes will be climbing back to the top after rebuilding.

Volusianator
12-07-2011, 07:18 AM
:tu I think that kid's got potential.


I think Ponder is going to be good

Mattso3000
12-07-2011, 07:24 AM
Aw c'mon now, you got a well storied history in the Super Bowl:

1970 - Super Bowl IV

1974 - Super Bowl VII

1975 - Super Bowl IX

1977 - Super Bowl XI


Don't you recall? Would you like a little history lesson on how those games turned out?

I mean it's been 34 years since you've been to one, but it's gotta happen soon...right?! :r

Fortunately that all happened before I was born...they'll get back before I die. Hopefully.

goomer
12-07-2011, 07:27 AM
So, did you buy any of the new shares in the pack? I think it's amazing that they're asking everyone to donate $250 to a bunch of millionaires and in return you get a piece of paper to frame and hang on the wall.

Maybe I should get in on that deal. Anyone interested in buying shares of goomer inc? I'll sell them for $50. The shares are non voting and will never increase in value or pay a dividend. I'm raising money to increase the standard of my "facilities". The man cave, my garage, needs a new heater and another recliner.

replicant_argent
12-07-2011, 07:28 AM
Gee, thanks, Pete. :p

This might help:

http://lh5.ggpht.com/-0h3QVZ1d-e0/TmlKleqmibI/AAAAAAAAAOk/QEoIOZ1SM3A/162409286-fukitol2.jpg

You're a good sport, Mike.

Remember that SB the Vikes won? I remember it fondly. Wait....


No, that must have been the North Dakota team...

Volusianator
12-07-2011, 07:53 AM
We still have a few good receivers that have potential to be around a while. The defense...that's another story, the Packers defense is quite frankly...offensive, just not good.


Rogers is one hell of a QB. Fortunately for us vikes fans, his WR's will begin the downward slide in age soon and their near term draft picks are going to have to go to shoring up their D secondary. In a couple of years the pack will be falling off of the radar and the vikes will be climbing back to the top after rebuilding.

14holestogie
12-07-2011, 08:57 AM
We still have a few good receivers that have potential to be around a while. The defense...that's another story, the Packers defense is quite frankly...offensive, just not good.

I think the only receiver beginning the slide is Driver, and I'd put him up against any Viking receiver besides Harvin.

I think that leaves us 6 receivers that are still on the uphill side of hitting their prime. :)

Wanger
12-07-2011, 10:27 AM
I think the only receiver beginning the slide is Driver, and I'd put him up against any Viking receiver besides Harvin.

I think that leaves us 6 receivers that are still on the uphill side of hitting their prime. :)

But will all of them be able to be kept when they hit free agency?

14holestogie
12-07-2011, 10:29 AM
But will all of them be able to be kept when they hit free agency?

The only one not in the fold yet for the coming years is Finley, and I think that deal gets done.

goomer
12-18-2011, 12:52 PM
Looks like we are going to stay solidly in the hunt for good draft picks.

Mattso3000
12-18-2011, 12:54 PM
Looks like we are going to stay solidly in the hunt for good draft picks.

This is getting ugly. Ponder is only 18 passing yards ahead of me today...

AlohaStyle
12-18-2011, 01:00 PM
Looks like we are going to stay solidly in the hunt for good draft picks.

:tu LOL

With the #2 or #3 pick, at least we will get OT Matt Kalil or I would say the LSU corner... we desperately need secondary help but can't pass on a good OT. If we get #3, I'm happy with either of those two or trade back a few spots for someone wanting a QB.

AlohaStyle
12-18-2011, 01:08 PM
Plus Stanford's OT Martin is coming out now too...

proguy747
12-18-2011, 03:38 PM
luck is within sight.

Wanger
12-19-2011, 08:05 AM
luck is within sight.

He'd be great, but we'd have to hope that we could trade Ponder to help out at another position.

OLS
12-19-2011, 09:09 AM
or I would say the LSU corner... we desperately need secondary help but can't pass on a good OT.

You guys will really like Morris Claiborne out of LSU. I think that Arizona is happy with Patrick Peterson, lol.

goomer
12-23-2011, 09:54 AM
With the Indy win last night the Vikes have a great chance at getting the #1 pick. The question is, would we take Luck if we did have the first pick? It wouldn't surprise me if we traded the #1 pick for multiple picks and stayed with Ponder. I think that might actually be a better choice.

Stephen
12-23-2011, 11:17 AM
He is a legitimate QB. 6-1 a fluke?
Yes.

Stephen
12-23-2011, 11:33 AM
With the Indy win last night the Vikes have a great chance at getting the #1 pick. The question is, would we take Luck if we did have the first pick? It wouldn't surprise me if we traded the #1 pick for multiple picks and stayed with Ponder. I think that might actually be a better choice.
As a Packers fan, I approve of this message. I want Luck nowhere near the NFC North.

Blak Smyth
12-23-2011, 11:37 AM
Good luck tomorrow fellas. I have a feeling the Redskins will look impressive for a change! Sorry.

Stephen
12-23-2011, 11:39 AM
Rogers is one hell of a QB. Fortunately for us vikes fans, his WR's will begin the downward slide in age soon and their near term draft picks are going to have to go to shoring up their D secondary. In a couple of years the pack will be falling off of the radar and the vikes will be climbing back to the top after rebuilding.
Driver is the only receiver long in the tooth. Every other receiver has plenty of tread left on the tires.
But will all of them be able to be kept when they hit free agency?
Everyone, save Finley, is signed for at least the next two seasons.;s

goomer
12-24-2011, 11:45 AM
It looks like the Redskins D is trying to take away the Vikings #1 pick. Losing the game: so easy a caveman can do it!

AlohaStyle
12-24-2011, 12:17 PM
What does your dad do?

Edward was at school this morning and the teacher asked all the children what their fathers did for a living. All the typical answers came out, Fireman, Policeman, Salesman, Carpenter, Dairy Farmer, etc.

But Edward was being uncharacteristically quiet and so the teacher asked him about his father.

'My father is an exotic dancer in a gay club and takes off all his clothes in front of other men. Sometimes if the offer is really good, he'll go out with a man, rent a cheap hotel room and let them sleep with him.'

The teacher quickly gave the other children some work and took little Edward aside to ask him if that was really true.

'No' said Edward, 'He plays football for the Vikings, but I was just too embarrassed to say it in front of the class.'

mkarnold1
12-24-2011, 12:59 PM
Man, if you're going make an offensive joke about our favorite team, at least make it funny.

mkarnold1
12-24-2011, 01:12 PM
It is just plain obvious that the Vikings offense works better with Joe Webb under center.

14holestogie
12-24-2011, 01:38 PM
It is just plain obvious that the Vikings offense works better with Joe Webb under center.

I've been saying that for 3 weeks now. And I'm not fond of the Vikings. :D

goomer
12-24-2011, 02:10 PM
What does your dad do?

Edward was at school this morning and the teacher asked all the children what their fathers did for a living. All the typical answers came out, Fireman, Policeman, Salesman, Carpenter, Dairy Farmer, etc.

But Edward was being uncharacteristically quiet and so the teacher asked him about his father.

'My father is an exotic dancer in a gay club and takes off all his clothes in front of other men. Sometimes if the offer is really good, he'll go out with a man, rent a cheap hotel room and let them sleep with him.'

The teacher quickly gave the other children some work and took little Edward aside to ask him if that was really true.

'No' said Edward, 'He plays football for the Vikings, but I was just too embarrassed to say it in front of the class.'

Jus to put things in perspective, you got beat by the back up to the back up quarterback, the back up running back, no receiving corps outside of Harvin, and the weakest secondary in the league. Next time, talk smack after the game is done. :gary

goomer
12-24-2011, 02:12 PM
It is just plain obvious that the Vikings offense works better with Joe Webb under center.

Keep in mind thought that it's Webbs second season with a training camp and starter experience under his belt. Ponder hasn't had a training camp and was put in half way through the season. I think Ponder is the better long term QB but both have the potential to do well in the league.

AlohaStyle
12-24-2011, 03:25 PM
btw, I'm a diehard Viking fan. Never missed a game on TV since I moved away from MN 11 years ago. Flew to San Diego for the opener this year, Boston last year and a bunch of other road games other years. Nothing good happening this year so better to get a laugh at myself at least!?! :(

goomer
12-24-2011, 03:46 PM
btw, I'm a diehard Viking fan. Never missed a game on TV since I moved away from MN 11 years ago. Flew to San Diego for the opener this year, Boston last year and a bunch of other road games other years. Nothing good happening this year so better to get a laugh at myself at least!?! :(

Well, dang. This ruined one of only three chances this year to talk trash. Thought you were a redskins fan from your earlier post.:sh

AlohaStyle
12-24-2011, 04:42 PM
Actually this week showed we can't do anything right this year... the players played tough showing they won't give up, then Peterson goes down with a bad knee injury, Ponder gets hurt and we still win the game blowing our chance at the top pick!?! :(

Gophernut
12-27-2011, 08:02 AM
Ugh. Peterson will have surgery next week, and the Vikings trainer says he could be ready by early next season. We ruin our draft pick options, lose Peterson, Ponder gets concussed, what next? Maybe Webb can beat the Bears this year...

goomer
01-01-2012, 11:55 AM
It was starting to look like the vikes were going to give up another draft position but they've allowed CHI to come back. We should be solidly in the third place position for the draft.

Mattso3000
01-01-2012, 12:20 PM
How can we not seriously look at Webb as a possible starting QB? This kid is just good.

goomer
01-01-2012, 01:08 PM
Allen got the franchise record! The way it's going he should have the league record too.

goomer
01-01-2012, 01:09 PM
How can we not seriously look at Webb as a possible starting QB? This kid is just good.

I agree that Webb is looking pretty good. he may end up being the QB next season if Ponder has a bad camp this summer.

Volusianator
01-01-2012, 02:57 PM
Well, I guess if you can't win games...you can at least hang your head on that.

Hell, the Vikings couldn't do well enough to make the playoffs, they were even so poor they fudged up the first pick in the draft, guess they have no Luck! Ha, that was punny!

Allen got the franchise record! The way it's going he should have the league record too.

icehog3
01-01-2012, 04:59 PM
Gotta say Webb is tough to bring down...kid is strong as an ox. His arm? We shall see.

mkarnold1
01-01-2012, 07:04 PM
Gotta say Webb is tough to bring down...kid is strong as an ox. His arm? We shall see.

He was pretty damn accurate on most of his passes, even under duress.

icehog3
01-01-2012, 09:45 PM
He was pretty damn accurate on most of his passes, even under duress.

Agreed....but it's one game. Kid might turn out to be a star, might not. Like I said, time will tell.

Mattso3000
01-01-2012, 09:55 PM
Agreed....but it's one game. Kid might turn out to be a star, might not. Like I said, time will tell.

Just about brought them back against Detroit, looked good against the skins, and played a solid game against the bears...the kid's good it's just a matter of whether or not the Vikes have the guts to let him play after putting so much stake in Ponder.

The other problem, of course, is that when he wasn't hurt Ponder was solid as well. Team has a lot of issues, but hopefully qb will be taken care of next year.

icehog3
01-01-2012, 09:59 PM
Didn't know he had played that much already, Matt...thanks for the insight. :)

Mattso3000
01-01-2012, 10:12 PM
Didn't know he had played that much already, Matt...thanks for the insight. :)

Yeah, Ponder's been hurt a lot this year. We need to work on getting an offensive line that doesn't allow the kids back there to either get the crap beat out of them or have to run for their lives. Webb is just better at running for his life.

icehog3
01-01-2012, 10:22 PM
Yeah, Ponder's been hurt a lot this year. We need to work on getting an offensive line that doesn't allow the kids back there to either get the crap beat out of them or have to run for their lives. Webb is just better at running for his life.

:lr :tu

Gophernut
01-02-2012, 10:51 AM
Yeah, Ponder's been hurt a lot this year. We need to work on getting an offensive line that doesn't allow the kids back there to either get the crap beat out of them or have to run for their lives. Webb is just better at running for his life.

Watching this team all year, the O-line cost us more games than anything else on this team, with the possible exception of the defensive secondary.

Wanger
01-03-2012, 10:04 AM
Watching this team all year, the O-line cost us more games than anything else on this team, with the possible exception of the defensive secondary.

...and the lack of receivers. Here's my theory why the O-line looked so bad...

The receivers are/were so poor that the defenses did not have to worry about any downfield threats, so they could single cover the guys out there. That allowed the opposition to blitz more and put more pressure on the offensive line to get their blocks made, which they failed to do.

As I've said, I don't know where they're going to get the guys, but they DESPERATELY need DB and WR help first. That kid from OSU looked pretty damn good last night, and he's a 2 time Biletnikoff Award winner. If he's available at #3, I've love to see him in purple. He seems to have good speed and looked pretty strong, breaking tackes.If they go that route, then they need to go through free agency to address the DB needs for a frontline CB and/or safety. If Winfield could come back healthy, I think he'd be a tremendous safety, but I dont know if he'd be willing to move.

The QB "controversy"...I have no idea what to say there. Webb played very well when he was in. He played well in a big start last year vs Philly. He's strong, mobile, and has a good arm. The question is whether he has the consistency to make it as a starter. I don't know. If a team has time to plan for him, how would the results be different? Ponder has an excellent skillset, as well. He's mobile, ha made some good decisions, and decent accuracy. The question is who has the higher ceiling as an NFL QB? remember that when Webb was drafted, he was drafted to be a WR, because of his tremendous athletic ability, so that's not a surprise with what has been seen from him. Either way, having two seemingly quality young guys there is not a bad thing, as long as they make the right choices in who plays. For the first time in a while, it seems like a bright spot for the franchise.

Now, I've heard a LOT of people call for the jobs of Frazier and Musgrave. I do NOT agree with that. You have to look at the season as a whole, and start with the lockout. The coaches couldn't have contact with their players, and they were trying to implement a new system. Right there, they were behind the 8 ball. Add to that bringing in a new QB (McNabb) and a rookie QB (Ponder). Then you add the poor play by a WR they were counting on (Berrian), and the injuries, et al, with the secondary. Things just deteriorated as the season went on. They just couldn't right the ship, and the injuries to Peterson didn't help things much, though Gerheart is a solid backup. As good as he was, he is no AP. Give Frazier and his staff a full, real offseason to work with their players. If there is no improvement seen next year (in results or general play), then I'd call for firing him. It's different than what I rememebr seeing with Childress. Childress was clearly not head coach material. He didn't know how to call plays to keep drives moving and help a team win (I saw way too many 3rd and 10s where he had all receivers running 5-7 yard patterns, when none of them had tackle breaking ability). Frazier had players not tackle and completely blow coverages late in games especially early in the year to help a few losses along. I hope they spend a couple $ and bring in some quality players at key positions, in addition to making the right pick at #3. But, no matter what, it seems like they'll be chasing the rest of the division for a few more years.

I have no doubts that AP will come back and be an absolute beast. He won't be rehabbing at a strip mall, eating fast food, and being lazy. The man is an animal, and they will have to hold him back from his rehab, I think. Next season may not be a "regular" year for him, but I have no doubt he will regain his place at the top of the NFL Rb food chain soon.

mkarnold1
01-03-2012, 10:24 AM
Good take on needing a WR, but we already have a guy on our team that can take that role and own it, if the team would just make the move a reality and not hedge. I think that Joe Webb is the most talented QB on our team, but not necessarily the answer at that position. Ponder has skills and can be the guy that moves this team to the next level. What the Vikings need to do is get Joe Webb involved in the gameplan as the big play WR they need. He has all of the intangibles and is almost freakishly strong and fast. He has huge hands and could jump over any d-back in the league. If the offense stays the same, Joe already has the knowledge to be the back-up QB, spend all of the off-season and training camp refining his skills as a WR. With the WR position addressed from available roster talent, the Vikes can concentrate on addressing the OL and DB from the draft and free agency.

Wanger
01-03-2012, 12:32 PM
I agree that it would make sense to just make the move and stick with it (given that's what he was drafted for). But at the same time, how is his route running skills? He can have all the physical tools in the world, but if he can't run a good crisp route, then it won't work. And that is not something learned overnight. It does take time to learn it. How to go into and come out of cuts. Then there's unlearning the things that may be natural to him that work against running good routes. If a guy runs poor routes, I could almost cover him (I said almost, LOL). The Blackmon kid already runs good routes, and has honed his skills as a WR. Harvin seems to work best out of the slot, as well. If you move Webb to WR, and draft Blackmon, in a couple years, you'll have a SCARY WR corps to defend. Throw in a recovered AP to that with Kyle Rudolph at TE, and it almost won't matter who the QB is.

Volusianator
01-03-2012, 04:03 PM
I couldn't agree with you more!


I agree that it would make sense to just make the move and be a Packers fan

Mattso3000
01-03-2012, 04:09 PM
I couldn't agree with you more!

I think the world has reached it's packer fan carrying capacity. Any more and we'd all starve to death. (or run out of brats and miller lite, whichever comes first.)

Volusianator
01-03-2012, 04:17 PM
Actually I'm more of a Bud Light guy!

Wanger
01-05-2012, 08:04 AM
I couldn't agree with you more!

LMAO Wade!

Just as you wouldn't jump ship, neither would I. :p I will forever drown in these frigid waters.

replicant_argent
01-05-2012, 08:47 AM
Just as you wouldn't jump ship, neither would I. :p I will forever drown in these frigid waters.

Sadly shakes head....



http://bit.ly/AgjNc9

Wanger
01-05-2012, 09:42 AM
Sadly shakes head....



http://bit.ly/AgjNc9

Pete...you know me well enough to know that I'm pretty damn far from sane. :p

goomer
01-06-2012, 07:44 AM
I think we need to trade AP. It wouldn't be a popular move but I think his best years are about over. He may have another couple of great years in him but I think he's going to keep getting injured and his performance will start to slip. We can trade him now for some good draft picks and have a great team in a couple of years. It'll take that time to rebuild if we trade him or not, we have too many areas that need improvement.

As far as firing coaches goes, that doesn't make any sense. Frasier is still dealing with Chili's draft picks and poor decisions. He needs at least another 2 years to draft new players and build the team the way he wants it.

replicant_argent
01-06-2012, 08:40 AM
Chuckles at the royal/possessive "we." ;)

Stephen
01-06-2012, 09:14 AM
I think we need to trade AP. It wouldn't be a popular move but I think his best years are about over. He may have another couple of great years in him but I think he's going to keep getting injured and his performance will start to slip. We can trade him now for some good draft picks and have a great team in a couple of years. It'll take that time to rebuild if we trade him or not, we have too many areas that need improvement.

As far as firing coaches goes, that doesn't make any sense. Frasier is still dealing with Chili's draft picks and poor decisions. He needs at least another 2 years to draft new players and build the team the way he wants it.
What would the Vikings realistically expect to get for a 27 year old runningback with a shredded knee and a lot of miles? I assure you, not what he's worth to the Vikings.

mkarnold1
10-08-2012, 06:40 AM
The Vikings looked pretty damn good yesterday.

Gophernut
10-08-2012, 08:31 AM
The Vikings looked pretty damn good yesterday.

Percy Harvin is certainly trying to get into the MVP discussion. He made a bunch of plays yesterday, and has really turned this team around.

Powers
10-08-2012, 09:07 AM
You NFL guys are finding out what I got to enjoy for 3 yrs at Florida - Percy Harvin playing on another level.

These two met in the endzone a time or two:

http://i612.photobucket.com/albums/tt201/thegeneral320/TebowHarvin.jpg

Go Vikings :tu

mkarnold1
10-08-2012, 10:34 AM
Yes, Mr. Harvin makes the others guys on the football field look slow and uncoordinated. He's an amazing talent that I love to watch week in and week out.

Mattso3000
12-02-2012, 12:31 PM
Wow. Ponder looks lost again today. Doesn't help that Ed Hochuli seems intent on a Packers win. Can't believe the Vikings are actually up in this game...thanks AP.

mahtofire14
12-02-2012, 01:10 PM
Wondering how long it takes for the Packer D to put everybody and their brother into the box. They have no reason to be worried about Ponder right now.

Gophernut
12-02-2012, 03:28 PM
Wondering how long it takes for the Packer D to put everybody and their brother into the box. They have no reason to be worried about Ponder right now.

Only 7 times since 1960 has a team had a 200 yard rushing effort by a player, and still lose. Ponder was the reason we lost this game with two critical interceptions. My question is why were we even throwing the ball in either of those situations? Peterson was a beast today. If I were him, I would give Ponder a swirly.

AlohaStyle
12-02-2012, 03:44 PM
I thought the announcers said only twice it's happened before today... :(

Said teams were 50 something and 2 coming into today.

Gophernut
12-03-2012, 12:14 PM
I thought the announcers said only twice it's happened before today... :(

Said teams were 50 something and 2 coming into today.

Maybe in the past certain number of years or so. As of today, teams with a 200 yard rusher are 106-8. There has been a total of 114 games with a 200 yd rusher since 1960.
According to Pro-football-reference.com anyways.

mkarnold1
12-17-2012, 06:43 AM
Another 200 plus yard effort from AP, this time we got a win out of it! Skol Vikings!

Stephen
12-17-2012, 08:48 AM
Another 200 plus yard effort from AP, this time we got a win out of it! Skol Vikings!
The dude is an absolute beast. I've been lucky enough to have witnessed the majority of his playing career not only with the Vikings, but at Oklahoma as well.

Quick anecdote. Right before the 2007 NFL draft, there were rumors that Peterson's stock was slipping because of all the various injuries that he had in college (thus being viewed as not very durable). Never before or since had I wished so hard for a player to fall to the Packers (who I believe picked 16th that year). Well, Peterson did fall, all the way down to seven and right in the Vikings laps. I consoled myself with the fact that it was unrealistic that he'd fall that far, and that one of either Marshawn Lynch (12th) or Darrelle Revis (14th) would fall to us. The Packers ended up drafting Justin Harrell. Who you ask?

Exactly. :gary

mkarnold1
12-30-2012, 02:56 PM
Great start for the Vikes!!

mkarnold1
12-30-2012, 04:40 PM
Skol Vikings let's win the game!

Mattso3000
12-30-2012, 05:33 PM
Damn this is a good game.

mkarnold1
12-30-2012, 05:39 PM
Huge throw by Ponder right there!

Remo
12-30-2012, 05:48 PM
Dang...9 yds. short for AP!

mkarnold1
12-30-2012, 05:52 PM
Hell yeah! Vikes in the playoffs! Yeah, AP might taken that run to the house and set the record, but he had the "stay in bounds" mentality and did what was best for the team. He's the best RB of all time IMO (I might be biased).

Remo
12-30-2012, 05:53 PM
Hell yeah! Vikes in the playoffs! Yeah, AP might taken that run to the house and set the record, but he had the "stay in bounds" mentality and did what was best for the team. He's the best RB of all time IMO (I might be biased).

Ok, now let's go COWBOYS!!!!!

joeobx
12-30-2012, 05:56 PM
Great game.

kelmac07
12-30-2012, 06:12 PM
Damn good game. Would have liked to seen AP break the record, but a win to get in the playoffs is good as well. :tu :tu

Mattso3000
12-30-2012, 06:56 PM
If AP doesn't get the MVP after that game something is wrong with the world. Peyton's been great but straight up value to a team its not even close. The Broncos won a playoff game with Tebow at QB...the Vikes would probably be 3-13 without AP.

mkarnold1
12-30-2012, 07:19 PM
Celebrating the big win with a Padron 64 maddy in the 6.5 x 42 vitola and a Boatswain Heavy Lift Vessel Ale. Wife and kids won't be home until tomorrow evening so I am smoking in my recliner again on a cold a$$ MN winter evening. Hell yeah

Stephen
12-31-2012, 06:41 AM
Hell yeah! Vikes in the playoffs! Yeah, AP might taken that run to the house and set the record, but he had the "stay in bounds" mentality and did what was best for the team. He's the best RB of all time IMO (I might be biased).
Ya think? :r

Stephen
12-31-2012, 07:25 AM
If AP doesn't get the MVP after that game something is wrong with the world. Peyton's been great but straight up value to a team its not even close. The Broncos won a playoff game with Tebow at QB...the Vikes would probably be 3-13 without AP.
Except they were 4-2 and winning the division before he even turned it on. Percy Harvin was the MVP of the Vikings for the 1st half of the season, not Peterson.

Blak Smyth
12-31-2012, 07:58 AM
Ok, now let's go COWBOYS!!!!!

Yah how'd that work out for you?!


I don't mind seeing the Vikes make the playoffs, AP is a hell of a RB.

Gophernut
01-06-2013, 09:21 AM
I would sure hope that I never have to hear about Joe Webb deserving a chance to start again.