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kickerb
11-01-2011, 12:00 PM
Anyone got the scoop on these? When are they going to hit stores? How hard are they going to be to get?
Thanks! -(P
Probably the same as the other limited LP. Few and far between and expensive!!!!
Neens
11-01-2011, 12:15 PM
The smoke inn is running an event on the 4th. Buy any LP box and get a free Ffp. Don't know if it's net sales also. From the email looks like in store only.
warpedcigars
11-01-2011, 12:16 PM
Ill be at the event at Smoke Inn, hopefully ill be able to snag one or two.
irratebass
11-01-2011, 01:08 PM
Oh so these aren't available yet? Crap! But I see a few fellers on here bragging about them or am I mistaking them for another LP?
Don Fernando
11-01-2011, 01:28 PM
I'll be at the same event, and I'll be hanging with JD for 2 days in Miami so I hope to be able to smoke one or two
Blak Smyth
11-01-2011, 01:30 PM
Oh so these aren't available yet? Crap! But I see a few fellers on here bragging about them or am I mistaking them for another LP?
I think you are talking about the flying pig, not the feral flying pig?
irratebass
11-01-2011, 01:42 PM
I think you are talking about the flying pig, not the feral flying pig?
Ahhh ha, I think you are right :tu
kickerb
11-02-2011, 07:18 AM
So, a box purchase is pretty much impossible with this release? shucks.
RCS44
11-05-2011, 03:39 PM
Cigar.com has them listed under the #9, they are taking orders for them. I Just bought a box of them. They are "on order" according to the website. They also have the LP 40 available to order. Anybody have word on when they are shipping?
EricF
11-05-2011, 04:00 PM
Just ordered a box of the FFP's and a box of the L40's!
Hope they show up soon!!!!
RCS44
11-05-2011, 04:18 PM
Just ordered a box of the FFP's and a box of the L40's!
Hope they show up soon!!!!
Good order, i was going to order the LP40's bu decided to wait. I am looking forward to smoking a Feral Flying Pig :dr
Brutus2600
11-05-2011, 05:31 PM
Placed my order for a some singles...thanks for the heads up on this :)
RCS44
11-05-2011, 06:18 PM
Placed my order for a some singles...thanks for the heads up on this :)
Your welcome glad I could help :noon
jsnake
11-05-2011, 06:42 PM
I love LP cigars. I sure hope I can score some soon. Always seem to be out at the shop.
jerseyjay
11-08-2011, 10:44 AM
They also have the LP 40 available to order. Anybody have word on when they are shipping?
L40s are available at Casa in Chicago (TopQualityCigars) right now and will be dropping at NatSherman in NYC on 29NOV.
kelmac07
11-08-2011, 11:13 AM
Gotta find me one of these FFPs.
kickerb
11-08-2011, 11:14 AM
pre-ordered at cigar.com, hope they come in
RCS44
11-21-2011, 01:39 PM
Was reading online a little while ago that these are going to ship at the end of November. here is the link to that discussion.
http://thecigarfeed.com/?p=8860
kickerb
11-21-2011, 01:41 PM
awesome!
Brutus2600
12-20-2011, 01:19 PM
Has anybody gotten their FFP's from cigar.com yet?
kickerb
12-20-2011, 01:59 PM
Not me.
kickerb
12-20-2011, 02:00 PM
I hear they are showing up at B&M's now, so those who ordered from cigar.com should be seeing them somewhat soon.
neoflex
12-20-2011, 02:06 PM
I have a box enroute to me from Deadwood Tobacco. They received 10 boxes yesterday and after posting on Facebook they started to move pretty quickly.
I got a couple samples from JD and they are a great smoke. Just make sure you guys have full stomachs before torching one of these bad boys. The power definitely sneaks up on you with these.
kelmac07
12-20-2011, 04:28 PM
Looking to snag two of these..no luck so far.
neoflex
12-21-2011, 08:40 AM
Mac, they have not hit most of the retailers yet and I am guessing by the end of next week they will be much more easier to track down. If you don't have any luck by than let me know as mine should definitely be here and I will hook you up.:tu
EricF
12-21-2011, 08:47 AM
Cigar.com got my L-40's in but they don't know when the FFP are coming in. This is per an email I got today.
kelmac07
12-21-2011, 08:49 AM
Mac, they have not hit most of the retailers yet and I am guessing by the end of next week they will be much more easier to track down. If you don't have any luck by than let me know as mine should definitely be here and I will hook you up.:tu
Thanks John!! :tu :tu
celtic250
12-21-2011, 10:21 AM
Quick question....Are these a one time release or will they release more in the future?
sikk50
12-21-2011, 10:42 AM
Local shop gets them next week I believe
neoflex
12-21-2011, 10:44 AM
Quick question....Are these a one time release or will they release more in the future?
Usually the Pigs are a once a year thing but I have heard that the Ferals are supposed to be a little more regular.
celtic250
12-21-2011, 11:21 AM
Usually the Pigs are a once a year thing but I have heard that the Ferals are supposed to be a little more regular.
Thanks. That softens the blow from not getting any this time around! :gary
kickerb
12-21-2011, 11:38 AM
Thanks. That softens the blow from not getting any this time around! :garyI'm not sure you will have a problem getting them now, most places havent even gotten them in stock yet. Work the phones, you'll get some.
Brooks W
12-21-2011, 12:57 PM
Thanks. That softens the blow from not getting any this time around! :gary
The major shipment has not arrived yet...BMs should be getting some end of the week/next week...
~brooks
kickerb
12-22-2011, 03:04 PM
cigar.com shows them in stock on their website now, pre-order shipments i assume will follow shortly
Jonathan Drew
12-23-2011, 10:25 PM
NeoFlex.
FFP should be ONE TIME release only, like regular Piggies. Unless Management knows something that I don't .... ?
Again, it was great to see you in NC. I had a great time and got to meet so many wonderful people.
Best,
JD
celtic250
12-23-2011, 11:02 PM
NeoFlex.
FFP should be ONE TIME release only, like regular Piggies. Unless Management knows something that I don't .... ?
Again, it was great to see you in NC. I had a great time and got to meet so many wonderful people.
Best,
JD
Are the L40 a one time release as well or a new line? Thanks for the great smokes :tu
808Cigar
12-26-2011, 10:08 AM
NeoFlex.
FFP should be ONE TIME release only, like regular Piggies. Unless Management knows something that I don't .... ?
Again, it was great to see you in NC. I had a great time and got to meet so many wonderful people.
Best,
JD
Jonathan,
Found this quote from Steve about the FFP, is this not true?
Says Steve Saka, President of Drew Estate, on the blend and release of the Feral Flying Pig:
IMO this is by far and away the best Flying Pig blend - the taste and proportions are just perfect. It is a unico blend, entirely unique for its vitola, but yes it does feature the same capa as the original FP. The blend is so righteous we are right now working the tobacco schedule to see if there is anyway to make the FFP an ongoing vitola even if it is in a really limited capacity.
It will be released in waves of about 800 - 1000 boxes a month for the next 4 months or so as they age/taste right. We have decided to NOT make this a one-time batch release like the previous FP releases - rather we will continue to make it in small lots like we do Dirty Rats.
DaBear
12-26-2011, 10:11 AM
NeoFlex.
FFP should be ONE TIME release only, like regular Piggies. Unless Management knows something that I don't .... ?
Again, it was great to see you in NC. I had a great time and got to meet so many wonderful people.
Best,
JD
Damn. Well at least I managed to get my hands on one. Can't wait to try it :dr
whodeeni
12-26-2011, 10:22 AM
Jonathan,
Found this quote from Steve about the FFP, is this not true?
Says Steve Saka, President of Drew Estate, on the blend and release of the Feral Flying Pig:
IMO this is by far and away the best Flying Pig blend - the taste and proportions are just perfect. It is a unico blend, entirely unique for its vitola, but yes it does feature the same capa as the original FP. The blend is so righteous we are right now working the tobacco schedule to see if there is anyway to make the FFP an ongoing vitola even if it is in a really limited capacity.
It will be released in waves of about 800 - 1000 boxes a month for the next 4 months or so as they age/taste right. We have decided to NOT make this a one-time batch release like the previous FP releases - rather we will continue to make it in small lots like we do Dirty Rats.
Marvin,
That was my thinking as well! Maybe they changed their minds?:confused:
neoflex
12-26-2011, 10:28 AM
NeoFlex.
FFP should be ONE TIME release only, like regular Piggies. Unless Management knows something that I don't .... ?
Again, it was great to see you in NC. I had a great time and got to meet so many wonderful people.
Best,
JD
You too brother. Your welcome back anytime, even if just passing through. Let me know if your ever in town and want to grab a drink and a smoke.
Thanks for the update. I too was using the same info from the Saka interview in my reply. May have to really stock up on these now as these are a winner.:tu
ZachF88
12-26-2011, 07:00 PM
I wish I could find a few of these! I've called like 6 places and they have been all sold out!
EricF
12-26-2011, 07:02 PM
Dam!!! I wish mine would show up already!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
CigarGuy88
12-26-2011, 07:04 PM
The manager at my local is going to let me know as soon as these come in and he's going to put some aside for me. Whoever is looking for these send me a PM and I'll see what I can do for you as soon as I get the call!
emopunker2004
12-26-2011, 07:21 PM
my B&M got 3 boxes in. they are limiting them 1 stick per person per visit
neoflex
12-27-2011, 09:10 AM
my B&M got 3 boxes in. they are limiting them 1 stick per person per visit
Just keep walking out the door and walking back in. Technically it would be another visit, No?:r
whodeeni
12-27-2011, 09:16 AM
Just keep walking out the door and walking back in. Technically it would be another visit, No?:r
Hahahaha!
celtic250
12-27-2011, 10:05 AM
Just keep walking out the door and walking back in. Technically it would be another visit, No?:r
My thoughts exactly! :D
Jonathan Drew
12-28-2011, 05:50 PM
Management is always f ing with me.
JD
maninblack
12-28-2011, 05:56 PM
Just keep walking out the door and walking back in. Technically it would be another visit, No?:r
Get some clever disguises. Like a wig and a fake stache!
808Cigar
01-03-2012, 06:32 PM
Management is always f ing with me.
JD
So that means they are not a one time release then?
lenguamor
01-03-2012, 07:47 PM
$15 a pop is a bargain for these; they are some pretty cigars.
LigaPrivadaT84
01-03-2012, 08:00 PM
http://img109.imageshack.us/img109/2406/img2035ce.jpg
kickerb
01-04-2012, 06:51 AM
anyone know where I can buy a couple singles? 3-5 would be great. thanks!
SteelCityBoy
01-04-2012, 07:47 AM
I am so happy to have scored two of these! I would have bought a whole box but I was able to catch a local B&M on their last two sticks and quickly snatched them up!
I have to go back to the spot that has a box. I hope they have some left!!!
Brutus2600
01-04-2012, 07:48 AM
Still waiting on Cigar.com to send me my order. I'm pretty sure this is the last time I'll pre-order anything from them if I want it when it's released.
Sigh.
my B&M got 3 boxes in. they are limiting them 1 stick per person per visit
That is dumb!
kickerb
01-04-2012, 09:46 AM
Still waiting on Cigar.com to send me my order. I'm pretty sure this is the last time I'll pre-order anything from them if I want it when it's released.
Sigh.I pre-ordered too. From what I understand, they have already gotten their Pig order in from Liga and have already been sold out to their customers. In my mind, people who never got their pre-order are SOL.
Brutus2600
01-04-2012, 09:52 AM
I pre-ordered too. From what I understand, they have already gotten their Pig order in from Liga and have already been sold out to their customers. In my mind, people who never got their pre-order are SOL.
In that case, I doubt I'll order from them again, period. Pretty sh***y thing for them to do.
kickerb
01-04-2012, 09:56 AM
Case and point, I pre-ordered a 5-er. A week or 2 ago, the Pigs when from on order to in stock on their website. I told my buddy and he then placed an order immediately. He put in an order for 3. He got his pigs in three days later.
I called them and they said i was just probably too far back in line to get my order shipped. BS. But who knows maybe they will get more from the distributor.
Brutus2600
01-04-2012, 09:57 AM
That's the same line I got from them too, which is why I asked if anybody had gotten their order from them since I felt it was a B.S. line.
Beagleone
01-05-2012, 09:18 AM
I just saw these walk out the door five minutes after landing in Euless last night. They looked pretty though...
neoflex
01-05-2012, 10:01 AM
That's the same line I got from them too, which is why I asked if anybody had gotten their order from them since I felt it was a B.S. line.
I thought about pre-ordering from them but decided not to after seeing how many guys already posted about pre-ordering and in the back of my mind I figured they wouldn't get enough product to fill every order. Wasn't sure if they would tag the card prior to shipping so just in case I decided to hold on to my funds until I found a retailer who had them in hand so I would know I would be guaranteed the box. All the Liga dealers here sold out quick even those limiting them to 1 stick a person.
DaBear
01-05-2012, 10:56 AM
Co-worker picked one up for me from one of his friends that works at Anstead's in Fayetteville, gonna grab it from him tonight and probably end up smoking it tomorrow.
irratebass
01-05-2012, 11:11 AM
Co-worker picked one up for me from one of his friends that works at Anstead's in Fayetteville, gonna grab it from him tonight and probably end up smoking it tomorrow.
Awesome co-worker, congrats!
EricF
01-05-2012, 11:27 AM
Been waiting 2 months for mine!!! Still nothing!
Been waiting 2 months for mine!!! Still nothing!
Did they charge the credit card???
DaBear
01-05-2012, 12:07 PM
Awesome co-worker, congrats!
Yea, I'm excited. My coworker hasn't had an LP before, but after hearing me rave about them and express my desire for us to get some in he got his friend to pick up 3 of em, 2 for himself 1 for me. :r
GTsetGO
01-05-2012, 12:10 PM
I just grabbed the last two one of my local shops had on the shelf.
neoflex
01-05-2012, 04:42 PM
Just saw it now but Podmancigars.com had 5 or 6 boxes this afternoon posted on Facebook but they are gone now. That was friggin' fast!
Just saw it now but Podmancigars.com had 5 or 6 boxes this afternoon posted on Facebook but they are gone now. That was friggin' fast!
That's what she said :noon
Cigar_Coop
01-05-2012, 05:06 PM
An excellent Cigar!!!! An early frontrunner for my 2012 Cigar of the Year
EricF
01-05-2012, 05:14 PM
Did they charge the credit card???
Not yet thankfully! I spoke to them today and they hope to have another shipment this month and since I have been waiting since November, I should be pretty high up on the list!!
I am so happy to have scored two of these! I would have bought a whole box but I was able to catch a local B&M on their last two sticks and quickly snatched them up!
You should have seen how happy Taki was just to get the empyt box :lr
neoflex
01-05-2012, 07:47 PM
That's what she said :noon
Doesn't matter, had sex.:r:noon
ssaka
01-06-2012, 09:49 AM
Would have replied sooner, but my account needed to be fixed - thanks Admin!
Quick Flying Pig History:
This odd shaped vitola was based on a cigar salesman sampler catalog from 1895 that I saw many years ago. Its fat, pudgy perfecto shape caught my interest, so it was a shape I always kept in mind as being one I would like to recreate. Not just for the novel visual it provided, but I knew it would be a blending and manufacturing challenge to make such a vitola an enjoyable smoke.
The first Flying Pig was released in late Y2009 in the LP No. 9 Blend - it was limited to approximately 2,500 boxes - the exact number was slightly lower after the cigars were color sorted, but all the 12-ct boxes were serialized with a handwritten #. There were about an extra 1,000 cigars that were retained in Nica that were roughly 1/8th inch shorter (long story), we have used these during cigar safaris, shared a few at events and have used once at a charity auction in a special 100-ct box. No #9 Flying Pigs have been made since.
The second Flying Pig was released in late Y2010 in the LP T52 blend - it was limited to approximately 3,500 boxes - again, final numbered was determined at the color sort tables and again each of the 12-ct boxes was serialized with a handwritten number. No T52 Flying Pigs have been made since.
The third Flying Pig release is the Feral Flying Pig and has just begun being delivered to retailers in December of Y2012. There will be batches delivered in January, February and March in large lots - in total about 4,500 boxes over the 4 month span. This release differs in the following ways: #1 - The size has been changed - this is a longer version making it less of a novelty shape, but rather an extra plump perfecto that has a better hand and mouth feel (imo), a cigar that most cigar smokers will enjoy spending 90 minutes with, #2 - This is a unique blend that was crafted for the cigar's new size - it is very robust liga (again imo) and was packaged under our Unico serie of Liga Privadas, #3 - Box count was changed from 12-ct to 10-ct, #4 - Box design was modified from the horizontal presentation to a custom scalloped tray SBN and #5 - These boxes were NOT serialized with handwritten numbers.
Unlike the FP releases before, this is not limited to the initial batch only. The reason for that is we internally love the cigar and its blend so much, we want to continue making it in the future on a continual, albeit very limited basis.
Hope this answers any questions anyone may have had.
BR,
Steve Saka
"the Management"
Prez, Drew Estate
maninblack
01-06-2012, 10:09 AM
Thanks Steve!
longknocker
01-06-2012, 10:54 AM
Great Info! Thanks!:tu
kickerb
01-06-2012, 11:24 AM
Thanks Steve, great information there.
STEVE S
01-06-2012, 02:17 PM
Thanks Steve, for giving us the low-down. Can't wait to give them a try.
Mutombo
01-07-2012, 10:52 AM
I managed to score a box from Podman cigars the other day. Can't wait to try them! I loved both the No.9 and T52 piggies.
TNT009
01-18-2012, 05:38 PM
Just found three boxes locally.... Maybe one box will do!
EricF
01-18-2012, 05:41 PM
Sadly my order from Cigar.com was cancelled due to not knowing when they will get in more! :td
They said maybe in a few months!!
If anyone would like to part with a few, please PM me!!! :tu
jerseyjay
01-24-2012, 07:41 AM
Keep an eye on podmancigars.com (follow him on Twitter). Looks like he is leaking few boxes every week.
Don Fernando
01-25-2012, 11:01 AM
I got my box yesterday and had it signed by Jonathan himself. Been hanging with him and Pedro (who runs the cigarsafari) for a few days in Amsterdam. Video's on JD's facebook
Jonathan Drew
01-25-2012, 09:35 PM
Ferdinand,
Just reached the hotel here in Berlin ... Thanks for everything you did for Pedro, myself and Drew Estate.
Sincerely,
JD
maconusmile
01-26-2012, 01:24 AM
can't wait to taste the flying pig! They look very well constructed and tasty.
lenguamor
01-26-2012, 01:28 AM
can't wait to taste the flying pig! They look very well constructed and tasty.
The construction is simply superb. It's a beautiful perfecto.
Being the rare treat that it is, I'm just waiting for the right opportunity to burn it. :ss:
stj386
01-26-2012, 02:59 AM
The feral Flying Pig is an awesome cigar! We ran out in Hawaii but there are more on the way. There's no way i'm going to be able to get a box for myself.
GTsetGO
01-27-2012, 07:12 AM
there are still some stray pigs at a couple of my local shops here. I can check for anyone that might want a couple.
Jonathan Drew
01-28-2012, 05:10 PM
GTsetGO ... "Pigs" of FFP ??? If they are reg. Pigs, I would be interested in them.
And Joe M ... hoping that you are doing well my friend. Still going to Cuban Crafters or what???
Best,
CODENAME BERLIN
I just had to post this on this thread...I am so pumped, picked up 3 boxes today
http://i1123.photobucket.com/albums/l558/tioannidis/PART_1327796721423.jpg
celtic250
01-28-2012, 06:15 PM
Taki everywhere I look I see this picture and it increases my jealousy :tu Very nice brother!
Had to post it on this thread....I was so excited :noon
lenguamor
01-28-2012, 06:19 PM
GTsetGO ... "Pigs" of FFP ??? If they are reg. Pigs, I would be interested in them.
And Joe M ... hoping that you are doing well my friend. Still going to Cuban Crafters or what???
Best,
CODENAME BERLIN
Yep; Manny, Ivan and I are keeping the faith Tuesdays at Cuban Crafters. Tim (Podman) told us that we missed you on the rare Tue we didn't hang out (in December) and I regretted it. Hope to run into you again soon. Travel well, mi amigo.
lenguamor
01-28-2012, 06:21 PM
I just had to post this on this thread...I am so pumped, picked up 3 boxes today
http://i1123.photobucket.com/albums/l558/tioannidis/PART_1327796721423.jpg
Dude, that is sweet. You think you'll be able to put any away in a deep, dark place to sample a few years from now?
Dude, that is sweet. You think you'll be able to put any away in a deep, dark place to sample a few years from now?
Going to try brother...:tu :tu
I was shocked to find as many as I did...me and a few buddies went crazy!!!
I absolutely love the Liga line up...well done JD :tu
Not all are for me...I am keeping a box and splitting the rest up :tu
chaase321
01-28-2012, 06:36 PM
Not all are for me...I am keeping a box and splitting the rest up :tu
Woohoo for box splitting! Keep me in mind if you don't have enough to split with.
celtic250
01-28-2012, 07:19 PM
Had to post it on this thread....I was so excited :noon
Don't blame you one bit :banger
ZachF88
01-29-2012, 11:06 AM
I went to go smoke my FFP last night and I discovered that the cap and binder was cracked..... This is my one and only ffp so how can I fix this?
http://img205.imageshack.us/img205/6065/ffpo.jpg
kelmac07
01-29-2012, 11:11 AM
Start with some pectin...hope it works out for ya.
Start with some pectin...hope it works out for ya.
+1 ....Good luck brother :tu
okiemusicman
01-29-2012, 03:02 PM
I went to go smoke my FFP last night and I discovered that the cap and binder was cracked..... This is my one and only ffp so how can I fix this?
http://img205.imageshack.us/img205/6065/ffpo.jpg
This just made me tear up a little! Good luck, hope you can still enjoy it.
neoflex
01-29-2012, 04:43 PM
Yep, a little dab of Pectin will fix ya right up. I have brought sticks in far worse shape back to life with it. It always pays to inspect your sticks before checking out at your local so you spot any imperfections before you pay for it.
I just had to post this on this thread...I am so pumped, picked up 3 boxes today
http://i1123.photobucket.com/albums/l558/tioannidis/PART_1327796721423.jpg
Here I am as happy as a pig in sh-t with my box of piggys after Taki and I cleaned them out. :noon
Love it Digs!!!! That was probably our best weekend clean up that we had in a while!!
Great purchase brother :tu
I've gotta find me some of these...
Salvelinus
01-29-2012, 07:30 PM
I went to go smoke my FFP last night and I discovered that the cap and binder was cracked..... This is my one and only ffp so how can I fix this?
http://img205.imageshack.us/img205/6065/ffpo.jpg
Get the wrapper a bit moist at before you cut it, make a cut, slobber a bit more than usual while you smoke it. It'll be great :tu
ZachF88
01-29-2012, 08:16 PM
Thanks guys! This was the last one that the shop had.... I'll get pectin tomorrow!
Haven't been the local shop in weeks because the car is on jack stands. Was informed today they have feral pigs in stock, limit one per customer. They are setting one aside for me. Gonna let that bad boy siiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiit :D
neoflex
02-07-2012, 08:40 AM
Haven't been the local shop in weeks because the car is on jack stands. Was informed today they have feral pigs in stock, limit one per customer. They are setting one aside for me. Gonna let that bad boy siiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiit :D
Beg them to sell you two so you can smoke one now. They are good to go fresh!
Jonathan Drew
02-07-2012, 04:56 PM
ZachF88.
Brother, sorry about the cracked stick. Please allow us to make it up to you. Please email John Brooke at jbrooke@drewestate.com and remember to CC me. We will replace it immediately.
Please email him this photo and let him know your ship to address.
Best,
JDrew
ZachF88.
Brother, sorry about the cracked stick. Please allow us to make it up to you. Please email John Brooke at jbrooke@drewestate.com and remember to CC me. We will replace it immediately.
Please email him this photo and let him know your ship to address.
Best,
JDrew
Stand up move brother :tu
kelmac07
02-07-2012, 05:28 PM
Damn fine gesture JD!! :tu :tu
EricF
02-07-2012, 05:45 PM
Beg them to sell you two so you can smoke one now. They are good to go fresh!
Agreed!!!! :tu :dr :dr
ZachF88.
Brother, sorry about the cracked stick. Please allow us to make it up to you. Please email John Brooke at jbrooke@drewestate.com and remember to CC me. We will replace it immediately.
Please email him this photo and let him know your ship to address.
Best,
JDrew
That's a stand up BOTL for ya!!! :tu
Great gesture JD!!! :tu
MurphysLaw
02-07-2012, 05:46 PM
That's a stand up BOTL for ya!!! :tu
Great gesture JD!!! :tu
:tpd:
ZachF88.
Brother, sorry about the cracked stick. Please allow us to make it up to you. Please email John Brooke at jbrooke@drewestate.com and remember to CC me. We will replace it immediately.
Please email him this photo and let him know your ship to address.
Best,
JDrew
JD thats 1st class, are you comimng to the Cigar Fest for CI this year?
TJtorpedo
02-07-2012, 05:59 PM
That's some serious customer service right there! :tu
lenguamor
02-07-2012, 06:30 PM
ZachF88.
Brother, sorry about the cracked stick. Please allow us to make it up to you. Please email John Brooke at jbrooke@drewestate.com and remember to CC me. We will replace it immediately.
Please email him this photo and let him know your ship to address.
Best,
JDrewYou da man. :banger
ZachF88
02-07-2012, 06:57 PM
Jonathan,
Thank you for the offer. I'm writing the email now, but I'm unsure of your address to cc. It's customer service like this that really makes me feel proud to call Drew Estate my favorite cigar manufacturer and to own Drew Estate swag, not to mention that my wife's first name is Drew, haha. Thanks again!!!!
ZachF88.
Brother, sorry about the cracked stick. Please allow us to make it up to you. Please email John Brooke at jbrooke@drewestate.com and remember to CC me. We will replace it immediately.
Please email him this photo and let him know your ship to address.
Best,
JDrew
Well done JD :tu
Sorry fella's....think me and Digs picked off the last 4 in PA (2 each)!!! We have been on a roll :noon
http://i1123.photobucket.com/albums/l558/tioannidis/PART_1328750351104.jpg
Got the box as a keepsake :tu
kelmac07
02-08-2012, 06:42 PM
Sweeeet!! Taki is on fire I tell ya. :D
DaBear
02-11-2012, 01:21 PM
Just stopped in at the Davidus in Ellicott City, MD to check it out. They had a full box of the FFP if anyone was still looking for some. Idk if they ship, but a brother may be able to swing by and send em out to you. They also had over half of one of the cases they ship the LG Small Batches in full with SB IIIs. If I had some cash to spare I woulda picked one up.
ApexAZ
02-11-2012, 10:12 PM
Smoking my first right now and it's very good!
44stampede
02-11-2012, 11:01 PM
You guys got me hooked on finding this bad boy
Jonathan Drew
02-13-2012, 02:41 PM
ZachF88.
I am confident that you have been taken care of. Please notify when the eagle has landed.
Best,
JD
celtic250
02-13-2012, 03:00 PM
I was so happy to have scored 5 of these a month ago or so. Did I see somewhere that said they were not a one time release and there will be more in the future or is "my mind playing tricks on me", said best by the Geto Boys :D
Blak Smyth
02-13-2012, 03:02 PM
I have 6 currently. I am trying to hoard a box to put to sleep, it is a slow process of grabbing one when I find it. I fear my whole box dream will never be realised!
ApexAZ
02-13-2012, 03:19 PM
I was a little afriad to smoke this. The guy at my local store said it's one of the strongest cigars he's ever smoked, and he prefers them strong.
I didn't find it too strong. I loved it. What a great cigar!
DaBear
02-13-2012, 03:56 PM
I have 6 currently. I am trying to hoard a box to put to sleep, it is a slow process of grabbing one when I find it. I fear my whole box dream will never be realised!
Not trying to keep plugging Davidus, but since I know you're from not too far away they do have a full box and possibly more in backstock(guy working said they were on their third box). And I was kind of impressed with the prices in MD, not too bad for having a much higher tax than down here in NC.
Islayphile
02-13-2012, 04:48 PM
I smoked my first FFP on Saturday....nice stick, very nice
tengel78
02-13-2012, 06:26 PM
You all got be intrigued to try this, but haven't been able to find it yet. My local B&M said they go within a couple hours of coming in. Need to keep searching.
Brutus2600
02-16-2012, 12:54 PM
Look like cigar.com finally shipped my order. I only know this because I saw the charge on my card, no email from them or anything.
Oh well, after I had Beagleone pick me one up from a local B&M I guess that means I have more incoming.
I'm excited to try 'em :tu
kickerb
02-16-2012, 01:01 PM
no way, mine are saying shipped as well!!!!
kickerb
02-16-2012, 01:02 PM
i already wrote those off, what a nice surprise!
Brutus2600
02-16-2012, 01:06 PM
Yeah, I had as well. At least the site says out of stock now instead of whatever it was before...backordered or something. I guess they got enough in to ship out old orders and that's it for now!
lenguamor
02-16-2012, 01:23 PM
Subscribe to podmancigars.com's newsletter. All LP that arrives usually sells out within minutes, but you'll get first crack.
the jiggler
02-17-2012, 09:44 PM
Took my SHW out for sushi and then came home and smoked my first pig tonight. Draw was smooth, burn was near perfect, tons of flavor and didn't get bitter even when my fingers were burning. Boatloads of smoke... Fantastic smoke!
BTW: The Tinder box in South Park Mall has them in stock!
Beg them to sell you two so you can smoke one now. They are good to go fresh!
I've since talked to my boy that works there. He said to come see him and "we'll work something out." :D
I've been without a car for three weeks and everytime I'm this close to getting it fixed, I find something else that needs replaced. So frustrated.
Jonathan Drew
02-19-2012, 09:14 PM
Guys,
Thank you for the nice compliments on the FFP blend. It feels really special to read all the good chatter.
I hope that everybody has had the chance to sample at least one of them. Also, as a reminder, the new Drew Estate APP can help you find them if you have Iphone or Ipad. (Droid is next any day). To get the APP, simply go to APP Store and put in "Drew Estate".
If anyone still has trouble finding them, please post here and we will try to help you locate one/few. REMEMBER - FFP are limited in quantity, but not a one shot release. We keep making them, albeit small batches at a time. (We wanna keep em tasty and they are a pain in the pooper to make).
Best,
JD
Pseudosacred
02-19-2012, 09:18 PM
Man, oh man, I wish I could find just one! I read that two of the guys on here, that are around me, drove 2 hours or so(?) to get just 4. That's crazy to me. I would absolutely love to get my hands on one!
My day will come, though :tu
Just gotta keep hoping!
I have not been able to locate one here. Were to find one in Central Florida???
Jonathan Drew
02-19-2012, 09:20 PM
I need till Tuesday to answer the "where to" questions. We on it.
JD
I need till Tuesday to answer the "where to" questions. We on it.
JD
Thanks Brother, I appreciate it.
keith_mahoney
02-19-2012, 11:20 PM
Where can I find one of these on Oahu, Hawaii? No problem waiting on the info.
cigarmonkel
02-19-2012, 11:43 PM
i'll have to keep an eye out for these so called pigs... if someone is willing to drive hours away just to get a couple, i suppose i should try them.
PuffPuffGive1
02-20-2012, 02:59 AM
The last time I was at Hollywood Smoke, Devon(one of the shop's caretakers) said I could post up their number and is willing to ship. I have a tendency to hear things incorrectly and make things up in my head =P, so I'm not 100% sure lol, but if you guys want to give it a shot; here's their number (310) 396-1661. They are an official distributor for the Liga line as well as Viaje.
Where can I find one of these on Oahu, Hawaii? No problem waiting on the info.
Your authorized retailer for Liga Privada in Hawaii is Tobaccos of Hawaii. Currently they are out of stock but have more boxes on order of FFPs. However, they have a shipment of the new T-52s in transit to them so hopefully by friday they will have some on the shelves! They do have a full selection of #9s right now. Give them a call 942-PUFF :)
Blak Smyth
02-20-2012, 05:21 AM
Great pair from yesterday on The Wood!
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7055/6909212445_ea281e82a0.jpg
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7205/6909212335_396a07861c.jpg
Nice pics Shane!! Glad you enjoyed the FFP!! :tu
(I was with him smoking a FFP myself...always enjoy an FFP :tu)
Blak Smyth
02-20-2012, 05:38 AM
Nice pics Shane!! Glad you enjoyed the FFP!! :tu
(I was with him smoking a FFP myself...always enjoy an FFP :tu)
man that Choklat was a great pairing, do you agree?
man that Choklat was a great pairing, do you agree?
Absolutely :tu Really Good!!
Blak Smyth
02-20-2012, 05:44 AM
I am dying for another one, stupid work always gets in the way of my hobbies!
whodeeni
02-20-2012, 08:25 AM
Hey Shane,
I have a bottle of Choklat that I picked up for that exact same purpose
my friend! I know you enjoyed it!:tu
Blak Smyth
02-20-2012, 08:35 AM
Hey Shane,
I have a bottle of Choklat that I picked up for that exact same purpose
my friend! I know you enjoyed it!:tu
Great minds!
keith_mahoney
02-20-2012, 10:51 AM
Thanks for the heads up FIA. I've been meaning to check out the store in Wahiawa.
Thanks for the heads up FIA. I've been meaning to check out the store in Wahiawa.
Just an FYI..if you are really trying to score Ligas your best bet is to go their store in town across from the convention center. I would call the Wahiawa store first to check. They have other cigars there but not as large of a selection like the town store.
BlkDrew
02-20-2012, 11:19 AM
I am looking for "one" finding one in upstate NY is like finding a needle in a haystack. i guess i shall download the app
Blak Smyth
02-20-2012, 11:20 AM
I am looking for "one" finding one in upstate NY is like finding a needle in a haystack. i guess i shall download the app
I've got you covered Andrew! :tu
Maybe you can find more though! Bahahahah.
BlkDrew
02-20-2012, 11:34 AM
I've got you covered Andrew! :tu
Maybe you can find more though! Bahahahah.
Thanks Shane
I am looking for more, i have enough money stashed to buy a box. I have been talking with a local business here in Ny (60 miles away) they will get some in the next batch hopefully i will be able to buy some.
smitty81
02-20-2012, 11:46 AM
Anyone know where I might be able to get one in Nebraska?
BlkDrew
02-20-2012, 12:10 PM
Anyone know where I might be able to get one in Nebraska?
using the app "Nickleby's" in Omaha might have some, give them a call. google them to search the number.
snowdins
02-20-2012, 01:17 PM
NK Cigars in Westlake, CA has some left. I just picked up 2 myself. =))))
NK Cigars in Westlake, CA has some left. I just picked up 2 myself. =))))
Curious what was the price especially since CA has about a 30% cigar tax if Im not mistaken.
Blak Smyth
02-20-2012, 01:28 PM
Curious what was the price especially since CA has about a 30% cigar tax if Im not mistaken.
I have seen them in PA for $13.99 and $16.99.
lenguamor
02-20-2012, 01:42 PM
Thanks Shane
I am looking for more, i have enough money stashed to buy a box. I have been talking with a local business here in Ny (60 miles away) they will get some in the next batch hopefully i will be able to buy some.
podmancigars.com (http://www.podmancigars.com/)
Sign up for the newsletter and when Ligas hit, you get a half hour head start on everyone else.
cigarmonkel
02-20-2012, 03:53 PM
any online vendors that stock them? I'm pretty sure there are 0 B&M's around me that carry anything by them. Come to think about it... i don't think i've even really seen any drew estate cigars in the B&M's around me.
neoflex
02-20-2012, 04:54 PM
any online vendors that stock them? I'm pretty sure there are 0 B&M's around me that carry anything by them. Come to think about it... i don't think i've even really seen any drew estate cigars in the B&M's around me.
Good luck. Any that get them in literally sell out within minutes.
smitty81
02-20-2012, 05:08 PM
https://www.cigarhustler.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=1770&zenid=3rjetjel38581fntanhn42ctg7
snowdins
02-20-2012, 05:31 PM
Curious what was the price especially since CA has about a 30% cigar tax if Im not mistaken.
20 bucks a pop =/
20 bucks a pop =/
Good Lord!!! Although I just found a spot a few weeks back where I paid $16.99 EA
cigarmonkel
02-20-2012, 06:08 PM
https://www.cigarhustler.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=1770&zenid=3rjetjel38581fntanhn42ctg7
for some reason.. when i read the name of that vendor.. i get an odd feeling i'll be hustled :confused:
neoflex
02-20-2012, 09:35 PM
for some reason.. when i read the name of that vendor.. i get an odd feeling i'll be hustled :confused:
:r
Jonathan Drew
02-20-2012, 09:39 PM
How is the Drew Estate APP working out Yonder ..?
Best,
JD
BlkDrew
02-20-2012, 09:55 PM
How is the Drew Estate APP working out Yonder ..?
Best,
JD
Worked great for me. Full of info on the different products DE has. Good job!
ZachF88
02-21-2012, 11:44 AM
The app is great, however, there are a few shops that sell Drew Estate and hold Drew Estate events that aren't on the shop locator.
ApexAZ
02-21-2012, 12:00 PM
I didn't know there was an app!
JenksAnejo
02-21-2012, 03:00 PM
I'm a fan of the app! Have it on my Iphone, you all did a very good job with it JD!
ZachF88
02-21-2012, 04:15 PM
Go to the app store and type Drew Estate in the search. Great app and my wife loves it too! Of course, go to settings and have it set to play the music!
ZachF88
02-21-2012, 04:41 PM
Also, On the next version, the music should play for more than 20 seconds or so... It would also be cool to have a story/flavor profile of the Acid line and what not.... Just some suggestions!
Great app though!!
How is the Drew Estate APP working out Yonder ..?
Best,
JD
Works good, been using it since December. Any new features on the way?
Ervsuperb
02-21-2012, 09:20 PM
Is this only an apple app?
BHalbrooks
02-21-2012, 09:25 PM
Thanks for the heads up. I went to the App Market and dl'd it. Very nice. Has a Store Locator option, even.
Blak Smyth
02-25-2012, 10:40 AM
Man I was giving out the few FFPs I was able to find until today I feel better. Finally have a box to keep sealed up! Digs grabbed one too!
http://i1088.photobucket.com/albums/i325/Minecraftaholics/2ae0c05c.jpg
BlkDrew
02-25-2012, 10:55 AM
Man I was giving out the few FFPs I was able to find until today I feel better. Finally have a box to keep sealed up! Digs grabbed one too!
where did you end up going?
ApexAZ
02-25-2012, 11:57 AM
Man I was giving out the few FFPs I was able to find until today I feel better. Finally have a box to keep sealed up! Digs grabbed one too!
http://i1088.photobucket.com/albums/i325/Minecraftaholics/2ae0c05c.jpg
Nice! I'm trying so hard not to smoke mine! I may have to buy a box as well.
Way to go brother Shane!!!!!!!!
Here is the Liga Line up I scored when I was with those clowns...
http://i1123.photobucket.com/albums/l558/tioannidis/PART_1330197554163.jpg?t=1330198620
I am still jealous of theirs...:sad
Scored another box of FFP'S :noon
http://i1253.photobucket.com/albums/hh587/ak47dennis/22512pig.jpg
Chainsaw13
02-25-2012, 02:23 PM
Nicely done Digs. If youre up for a sale or trade let me know.
Nicely done Digs. If youre up for a sale or trade let me know.
I would trade a couple for the old T52 Pig.
Check this craziness out ! :sh
http://www.cigarauctioneer.com/liga-privada-feral-flying-pig-cigars/item-35554?auctionnum=588762&emk=EMA2029&utm_source=Auction&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=EMA2029&utm_content=CI-LPU-PIGMZ
Check this craziness out ! :sh
http://www.cigarauctioneer.com/liga-privada-feral-flying-pig-cigars/item-35554?auctionnum=588762&emk=EMA2029&utm_source=Auction&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=EMA2029&utm_content=CI-LPU-PIGMZ
Thats crazy!!!!!!!!!
BlkDrew
02-25-2012, 04:16 PM
Thats crazy!!!!!!!!!
Glad I got one... ;)
Glad I got one... ;)
I know have 16, not as many as Digs but I am getting there!!!
Man I was giving out the few FFPs I was able to find until today I feel better. Finally have a box to keep sealed up! Digs grabbed one too!
http://i1088.photobucket.com/albums/i325/Minecraftaholics/2ae0c05c.jpg
Scored another box of FFP'S :noon
http://i1253.photobucket.com/albums/hh587/ak47dennis/22512pig.jpg
You guys suck. I finally found a place with a few boxes (10 I think) and he would only let me buy 2 pigs. Wouldnt even entertain the idea of letting me buy an entire box :td
Blak Smyth
02-27-2012, 06:36 AM
The FFPs are that good, I had to grab a box! I had to borrow the funds from Digs just to make it happen, big thanks to Digs!!! You are the FFP Pimp!
BlkDrew
02-27-2012, 07:17 AM
You guys suck. I finally found a place with a few boxes (10 I think) and he would only let me buy 2 pigs. Wouldnt even entertain the idea of letting me buy an entire box :td
There is a place in Happy Valley CO that will ship a box to you for 150 total
Blak Smyth
02-27-2012, 07:17 AM
There is a place in Happy Valley CO that will ship a box to you for 150 total
That's not bad considering I have already payed $16.99 each!
Islayphile
02-27-2012, 07:42 AM
$18.99 ea at my B&M
:sad
JenksAnejo
02-27-2012, 07:50 AM
Luckily got mine at Ol' Times and he only charged $15 a piece for his. I want to smoke one now, but figured I should age them for a bit..
chaase321
02-27-2012, 08:18 AM
There is a place in Happy Valley CO that will ship a box to you for 150 total
What is this place...The only one I could find online (place started with a C) didn't even have Liga's listed? Could you PM me the name? Thanks Drew!
dozer
02-27-2012, 06:06 PM
I picked up another one today for about $14 at Rain City Cigar here in Seattle....they have had them each of the past 3 times I have been in there in the last month. Haven't smoked one yet, as I am going to let them rest for a month or so before diving in...
JenksAnejo
02-27-2012, 06:48 PM
Does anyone know if this was a limited run or if this will be a regular production cigar?
Chainsaw13
02-27-2012, 06:53 PM
I picked up another one today for about $14 at Rain City Cigar here in Seattle....they have had them each of the past 3 times I have been in there in the last month. Haven't smoked one yet, as I am going to let them rest for a month or so before diving in...
Why wait? They're smoking good right now.
kelmac07
02-27-2012, 06:54 PM
Why wait? They're smoking good right now.
Smoking EXCELLENT right now!! :dr :dr
Chainsaw13
02-27-2012, 06:58 PM
Smoking EXCELLENT right now!! :dr :dr
Smoking ridiculously stupendous right now!!! :noon:noon
JenksAnejo
02-27-2012, 07:00 PM
Dammit you guys are very close to making me light another one! I said I was going to save some!
I finally got my hands on one, will try and light it up tomorrow.
Chainsaw13
02-27-2012, 07:01 PM
I finally got my hands on one, will try and light it up tomorrow.
Theres no try Larry, only do. :tu
44stampede
02-27-2012, 08:50 PM
I picked up another one today for about $14 at Rain City Cigar here in Seattle....they have had them each of the past 3 times I have been in there in the last month. Haven't smoked one yet, as I am going to let them rest for a month or so before diving in...
They are very good at Rain City Justin. I get mine shipped to mom-in-law to send them to me here.
Enjoy!
php007
02-27-2012, 09:11 PM
Does anyone know if this was a limited run or if this will be a regular production cigar?
Regular run in small batches is what was said.
Regular run in small batches is what was said.
Ditto!!! :wo
Blak Smyth
02-28-2012, 06:23 AM
Smoking EXCELLENT right now!! :dr :dr
Smoking ridiculously stupendous right now!!! :noon:noon
Smoking excellently ridiculous and stupendously profound right now!
Smoking excellently ridiculous and stupendously profound right now!
Rub it in why don'tcha! Can't find one for the life of me...:gary
Blak Smyth
02-28-2012, 06:34 AM
Rub it in why don'tcha! Can't find one for the life of me...:gary
You live in cigar city :confused:
The Wood Slaughter house strikes again I got another box! This box was full but Taki took his allowance. LOL They tried to enforce the 2 stick limit on us and we kindly reminded them of how much we spend with them. ;)
http://i1253.photobucket.com/albums/hh587/ak47dennis/photo.jpg
tengel78
03-03-2012, 01:51 PM
Nice Dennis! I'm jealous. My B&M was sold out again last time I checked.
Nice Dennis! I'm jealous. My B&M was sold out again last time I checked.
:lr If you liveed by us you would run into the same problem. :lr:lr
maninblack
03-03-2012, 02:00 PM
Damn boys!! Now I know why I can't find anymore!
tengel78
03-03-2012, 02:07 PM
:lr If you liveed by us you would run into the same problem. :lr:lr
:r I'd just have to beat you guys to it!
:r I'd just have to beat you guys to it!
Never happen brother sorry :sad :lr:lr
tengel78
03-03-2012, 02:17 PM
Never happen brother sorry :sad :lr:lr
Seems like the only to beat you all would be to intercept the delivery truck. :ss
celtic250
03-03-2012, 02:19 PM
You guys need to be charged with animal cruelty the way you mistreat all them pigs! ;)
celtic250
03-03-2012, 02:32 PM
The Wood Slaughter house strikes again I got another box! This box was full but Taki took his allowance. LOL They tried to enforce the 2 stick limit on us and we kindly reminded them of how much we spend with them. ;)
http://i1253.photobucket.com/albums/hh587/ak47dennis/photo.jpg
You did know they have a name for that correct? HOARDING!! Don't you ever watch TV? :r
big pete
03-03-2012, 03:14 PM
I wish I could find some. The nearest LP dealer is 45min away and they're out :(
Pseudosacred
03-03-2012, 03:17 PM
The Wood Slaughter house strikes again I got another box! This box was full but Taki took his allowance. LOL They tried to enforce the 2 stick limit on us and we kindly reminded them of how much we spend with them. ;)
http://i1253.photobucket.com/albums/hh587/ak47dennis/photo.jpg
:dr:dr:dr
I wish I could find some. The nearest LP dealer is 45min away and they're out :(
There is no one close to us either...we drive on average about an hour but for driving that hour, they are about 4 stores so we get lucky!! :tu
chaase321
03-03-2012, 03:27 PM
You guys crack me up! You better start posting some WTS threads of all your other sticks otherwise you won't have room for all the pigs your stockpiling! :r
You did know they have a name for that correct? HOARDING!! Don't you ever watch TV? :r
Yes, my name is Dennis and I have a problem :hy
BHalbrooks
03-03-2012, 04:30 PM
Jesus H. It'd be nice if a friggin store around here even carried 'em. I'm talking about Boston here... I THINK a store on the other side of the state, but I can't justify driving 2 hours :r
Jesus H. It'd be nice if a friggin store around here even carried 'em. I'm talking about Boston here... I THINK a store on the other side of the state, but I can't justify driving 2 hours :r
I could brother...they are amazing sticks :dr
BHalbrooks
03-03-2012, 07:16 PM
I just correct myself. I could. My Wife.... not so much. :r
You did know they have a name for that correct? HOARDING!! Don't you ever watch TV? :r
Buying breakfast and coffee: $10.00
Buying gas to travel 50 miles (one way) to get pigs: $40.00
Buying lunch on the way: $10.00
Hoarding every pig you can find: B@ST@ED!!!!!!!!!
BlkDrew
03-04-2012, 05:30 AM
You guys crack me up! You better start posting some WTS threads of all your other sticks otherwise you won't have room for all the pigs your stockpiling! :r
Any luck with that co. I told you about?
chaase321
03-04-2012, 07:03 AM
Any luck with that co. I told you about?
No it's weird, their website doesn't even list Liga privada. Do you have to call them?
irratebass
03-04-2012, 07:04 AM
None of my b&m's have them.....gotta love le's
BlkDrew
03-04-2012, 07:28 AM
No it's weird, their website doesn't even list Liga privada. Do you have to call them?
Call the number I gave you.
srduggins
03-04-2012, 12:25 PM
I picked up 3, from the sounds of it I should smoke one right away, but I almost always sit on them for a month or more.
chaase321
03-04-2012, 12:51 PM
Call the number I gave you.
Will do! :tu
I picked up 3, from the sounds of it I should smoke one right away, but I almost always sit on them for a month or more.
Using DGT..delayed gratification technique!!! :r
qsalinas
03-05-2012, 08:37 AM
I been looking everywhere for these piggies :bhd
Can anyone HELP me pls???
JenksAnejo
03-05-2012, 07:37 PM
Cigar.com must have had a very small quantity just open up. By the time I saw it and ran my order through I ran over here to post it; however, it is back to saying sold out. Anyone else catch it while it was open?
JenksAnejo
03-05-2012, 07:43 PM
They still have T52 double coronas in stock!
JenksAnejo
03-05-2012, 08:54 PM
Bump, maybe someone is looking to score some Ligas.
SRSmiscer
03-05-2012, 10:58 PM
Have some FFP, still need to smoke one.
Need to acquire T52, No 9, and Dirty Rats. Want to see what all the hype is about.
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