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danreeve
09-01-2011, 01:38 PM
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The news of Surrogates Cigars has finally hit the public! (cigarfeed press release here (http://thecigarfeed.com/?p=8544)) Living in Columbus, Ohio, home of New Havana Cigars (who these cigars are made for), I was lucky enough to get the scoop and a couple samples of these a couple months ago. With that said, the "scoop" still contains a lot of mystery. Dan Welsh (owner of New Havana Cigars (http://newhavanacigars.com)) is keeping a tight lip on where these cigars are coming from, what they are made of and who is making them.

Some history behind the Surrogates Concept.
Quote Dan Welsh: I was curious, given my business model, how much hype goes into our smoking and buying decisions. Although I am thoroughly an advocate of educating ourselves as to what we are smoking, eating or drinking - so as to develop our palate and make better decisions when choosing future things - I also think that when we try something new without the hype of a limited release, or a certain manufacturer or claims of aged tobacco or 100% ligero, etc., that we come across a more authentic tasting experience. So, being that it is not limited - this seemed like a great opportunity to tell everyone 'try it and decide'.

So as you can see Dan has put some considerable amount of thought into this release, and why he wants to do it this way. Time to review the mystery cigar...

Specifics
Vitola: Bone Crusher
Length: 5.25
Ring Gauge: 54
Wrapper: ? broadleaf
Binder: ?
Filler: ?
Price: $7.50
Smoking Location: New Havana Cigars (http://newhavanacigars.com)
Beverage: Water

Pre-Light

Black band, dark wrapper and intimidating name. Those are the first three things that pop into my head when looking over my Surrogates Cigars Bone Crusher. On a lighter note, you know that candy that you can get at Halloween where each place is shaped like a different bone from a skeleton? For some reason the bone image on the band of this cigar takes my mind right to that. That's not scary right? The wrapper on my cigar was a very even, dark brown color with minimal veins. For broadleaf, it did not have that normal gnarly texture to it. The pre-lit aroma consisted of earthy sweet scents. The cap clipped clean and the cold draw was nice and free. The flavor on the cold draw was different and had a port wine element to it. I don't drink much port wine, but what I have had tasted similar to this.

First Third
POP! goes the black pepper in your face. Wow. The first couple puffs on my Bone Crusher were like taking a pepper mill and grinding some fresh pepper corns on my tongue. Both the front and the finish of the stick was pure spice. This cigar wakes you up right away for sure. (Also, take note that during this part of the cigar, if you retro-hale you will have very watery eyes lol) I tend to get this strong pepper on a lot of cigars for about the first three puffs, but on this stick it lasted almost the entire first third. The pepper kept pouring in and I was digging it. At the end of the first third, the stick did seem to back off a bit with the spice and I started to pick up a few other flavors. The strength was in the medium to full range. The construction was top notch and the burn line very even.

Second Third
Like I mentioned above, at the end of the first third and definitely into the second third, the flavors started to switch up. The front of the profile took on a very strong baking chocolate taste, but still with that black pepper kick mixing in. It was in interesting mix and was growing close to that hot chocolate ice cream I have mentioned in other reviews. The difference was this chocolate flavor was not very sweet and tasted much darker. The finish during this part of the cigar had a pretty much the same flavors as the front, but I have to mention how clean the finish left my mouth feeling. With a heavy strong cigar sometimes I get that "I'm going to taste this in the morning" thought. With this cigar, I could tell it wouldn't kill/dirty my taste buds after the smoking experience was over. One other thing worth mentioning in this part of the review was how, in the second third, the volume of smoke really picked up. My smoking partner and I were blowing huge clouds of smoke into his high-ceiling office. We joked that you could fill a car with smoke off of this stick in about 2 minutes. The strength was starting to pick up and I was starting to feel it more, but in no way was it overpowering.

Final Third and Final Thoughts
Two main changes happened in the final third of my Surrogates Cigars Bone Crusher. First, the smoke that I mentioned above was still in great volume on the draw and in the air, but it now took on a buttery feel on my palate. I'm not saying it felt dry before, but in the final third it definitely had a lot more body to it. Second, on the finish of the cigar I started to taste some vegetable garden sweetness. I never saw this coming and it made for a interesting twist toward the end of the smoke. The front was still powering along with the baking chocolate and black pepper flavor. I guess I should have said that there were three main changes, not two, because I would be crazy if I didn't mention that during the final third of this cigar the strength really ramped up. I was still in my high nicotine comfort level, but I could feel my heart beat pick up.

My final thoughts on the Surrogates Cigars Bone Crusher...? In my opinion this is how bold, strong cigars can still be full-power, but have balance and great flavor. From the first few puffs that hit you right between the eyes with pepper, to the mellowing down in the second half and the evolution of flavor, I was happy from start to finish. I'm not really into guessing who makes this or where it's from because there are so many people out there making good cigars these days, it would be so hard to tell, but I will say that if it's not primarily, or even fully Nicaraguan, I'd be surprised.

Would I buy it again? That's the great thing. My last three posts when I've gotten to this section of my review and said something like, "good luck these are all gone." Well with Surrogates they will keep making them as long as we keep buying them. I will be picking up more.

Would I buy a box? I like this cigar enough to buy a box.

for more pictures please visit http://tinyurl.com/3u6o4xg

Also, please check out the large Cigar event we are throwing in Oct (http://www.cigarexplorer.com/post.cfm/cigar-explorer-cra-charity-event-october-7-2011). I hope some of you guys can make it.

Dan

waffle
09-01-2011, 02:03 PM
I'm excited to get my hands on these... and they definitely came out of left field for me!

Blak Smyth
09-01-2011, 02:19 PM
Thanks for the review, they look tasty!

jledou
09-01-2011, 03:48 PM
Sounds very tempting!

688sonarmen
09-01-2011, 04:21 PM
Smells like Viaje:2

maninblack
09-01-2011, 07:19 PM
Awesome! Can't wait to get my grubby hands on some! Thanks for the review Dan.

kelmac07
09-01-2011, 08:08 PM
Dan...you have me at "Black band, dark wrapper and intimidating name". :tu :tu

danreeve
09-01-2011, 08:29 PM
Dan...you have me at "Black band, dark wrapper and intimidating name". :tu :tu

lol, maybe the best comment I've ever had.

Dan

elderboy02
09-01-2011, 09:30 PM
I am definitely interested.

Ogre
09-01-2011, 09:34 PM
Went to their website and no prices were listed!!! Are they selling yet??

Dunkel
09-02-2011, 02:37 AM
Went to their website and no prices were listed!!! Are they selling yet??

:tpd:

tenbaseg
09-02-2011, 04:11 AM
<-----------Wants

maninblack
09-02-2011, 06:48 AM
the skull breaker looks great also!! getting the itch again!

danreeve
09-02-2011, 06:53 AM
I think they go on sale today

Surrogates Cigars Bone Crusher
5 1/4 x 54 ($7.50 Boxes of 20)

Surrogates Cigars Skull Breaker
5 1/4 x 52 Belicoso ($7.50 Boxes of 20)

longknocker
09-02-2011, 06:56 AM
I think they go on sale today

Surrogates Cigars Bone Crusher
5 1/4 x 54 ($7.50 Boxes of 20)

Surrogates Cigars Skull Breaker
5 1/4 x 52 Belicoso ($7.50 Boxes of 20)

:tu Thanks, Dan!:)

maninblack
09-02-2011, 06:56 AM
I think they go on sale today

Surrogates Cigars Bone Crusher
5 1/4 x 54 ($7.50 Boxes of 20)

Surrogates Cigars Skull Breaker
5 1/4 x 52 Belicoso ($7.50 Boxes of 20)

yesss!!!! greta news! just not for my bank account.:r

longknocker
09-02-2011, 06:57 AM
yesss!!!! greta news! just not for my bank account.:r

Go For It, Anyway! :D

MiamiE
09-02-2011, 06:58 AM
Sounds like a Viaje.

maninblack
09-02-2011, 07:04 AM
Go For It, Anyway! :D

you're no help brother!!:D

longknocker
09-02-2011, 07:10 AM
you're no help brother!!:D

Of Course Not! :r

issues
09-02-2011, 07:15 AM
Smells like Viaje:2

Agreed...

After that review I am quite intrigued and will probably pick up a few for sampling. :tu

Ogre
09-02-2011, 07:15 AM
yesss!!!! greta news! just not for my bank account.:r

Go For It, Anyway! :D

You only live once brother!! Get them before the Mrs runs low and needs restocking!!:r:r

maninblack
09-02-2011, 07:16 AM
ha ha ha. shut it larry!

longknocker
09-02-2011, 07:18 AM
You only live once brother!! Get them before the Mrs runs low and needs restocking!!:r:r

:r That made My Day!:tu :D

danreeve
09-02-2011, 07:23 AM
They are for sale now http://www.newhavanacigars.com/NHC_Surrogates_at_NewHavanaCigars_com_s/114.htm

Patrick B
09-02-2011, 07:29 AM
Ordered, can't skip this one!

maninblack
09-02-2011, 07:37 AM
done!

longknocker
09-02-2011, 07:38 AM
They are for sale now http://www.newhavanacigars.com/NHC_Surrogates_at_NewHavanaCigars_com_s/114.htm

You Twisted My Arm, Dan!:r Order Placed!:)

elderboy02
09-02-2011, 08:48 AM
Ordered a 6 pack

danreeve
09-02-2011, 09:11 AM
I hope you guys like it as much as I do. And I hope you put in the comments of your order that "Dan Reeve is awesome" Or "Dan Reeve sucks" Whichever you choose :)

Dan

hscmit
09-02-2011, 09:34 AM
thanks for the review

ajacobs
09-02-2011, 11:08 AM
I may give them a try based on your review. Frankly I had previously dismissed them.

I question their marketing the hole thing reminds me of the "knockoffs and fakes thread." Don't get me wrong I love New Havana Cigars and am expecting an order from them now, but obviously these are trying to trade on the skull and bones series. Even the name implies a substitute. Usually I have the impression that if a cigar is good it will stand on it's own.

neoflex
09-02-2011, 11:21 AM
Someone please give me a good reason to not be intrigued by these. Please:r:D

danreeve
09-02-2011, 12:16 PM
plain and simple, all concept/marketing aside, if you like strong peppery cigars, I think you will like this.

Thanks for reading everyone.

Dan

darkninja67
09-06-2011, 04:25 PM
put these on my need to try list
thanks for the review

WyGuy
09-06-2011, 04:43 PM
Thanks for the review, just placed an order for the 6-pack.

Fordman4ever
09-06-2011, 04:48 PM
Great review. once my cigar fund has been built back up in a couple of months, I will def. have to get my hands on some of these.

WittyUserName
09-06-2011, 07:11 PM
Well I broke down and ordered three 5ers. HATE HATE HATE the internet.........

Remo
09-06-2011, 07:12 PM
Grabbed a 3 pack cuz of this thread :gary

WyGuy
09-10-2011, 08:16 AM
About halfway through my first Bone Crusher, great cigar I think. Gonna snag a box of these soon.

danreeve
09-12-2011, 07:14 PM
I've smoked around 10 of these now and they have all delivered. I had one last friday before lunch... I don't recommend that. lol

Dan

longknocker
09-12-2011, 07:22 PM
I've smoked around 10 of these now and they have all delivered. I had one last friday before lunch... I don't recommend that. lol

Dan

How Much Rest Do They Need, Dan? Got Mine In From NHC Last Wednesday.

danreeve
09-12-2011, 07:45 PM
How Much Rest Do They Need, Dan? Got Mine In From NHC Last Wednesday.

I smoked a early sample a month or so ago ROTT, I smoked another sample that I sat on for a month in my humi, another the day the big shipment landed at NHC, and have had a bunch since then. All of them have tasted the same to me, so I would say they are good to go. As long as they don't feel dry to you I'd lit one up.

get ready for a pepper blast at the get go :banger

Can't wait to hear what you think of it.

Dan

longknocker
09-12-2011, 08:02 PM
I smoked a early sample a month or so ago ROTT, I smoked another sample that I sat on for a month in my humi, another the day the big shipment landed at NHC, and have had a bunch since then. All of them have tasted the same to me, so I would say they are good to go. As long as they don't feel dry to you I'd lit one up.

get ready for a pepper blast at the get go :banger

Can't wait to hear what you think of it.

Dan

Thanks, Brother! Will Do!:tu

longknocker
09-19-2011, 07:17 PM
Fantastic Smoke Brother! I'm Enjoying It, Now! :tu

kelmac07
09-19-2011, 07:39 PM
I really enjoyed the one I've smoked. Glad I grabbed some more.

longknocker
09-19-2011, 07:41 PM
I really enjoyed the one I've smoked. Glad I grabbed some more.

Definitely Box Worthy!:tu

kelmac07
09-19-2011, 07:50 PM
Definitely Box Worthy!:tu

And the price is right. :D

longknocker
09-19-2011, 08:00 PM
And the price is right. :D

Yes, Sir! :banger

Boz
09-19-2011, 10:11 PM
Thanks for the review. I cant wait to pick some up.

danreeve
09-20-2011, 07:41 AM
Fantastic Smoke Brother! I'm Enjoying It, Now! :tu


I knew you'd dig it. Now I want to smoke one.

Dan

lenguamor
08-22-2012, 01:11 PM
Tried one of these last night, thanks to EricF, a great brother.

Have to say it was not my thing. Got an inch in and the pepper blast was overwhelming; nothing to it but that. NOT my favorite flavor profile. Actually, I consider extreme amounts of pepper like this more of a sensation than a flavor, since you can't taste anything else while the artillery rains down on your tongue.

I knew my palate has been funny lately so I cut the tip off so Manny and Ivan, who were herfing with me at Cuban Crafters, could give their opinion. Neither disliked it, but both said the overriding impression was pepper, and the undertone was a strange menthol sensation.

Thanks for letting me try one of these, Eric; one more I can cross off my list of things to sample!