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TXRebel
07-25-2011, 09:37 AM
http://www.cigarweekly.com/uimages/FirstLook/CigarTech/Shuriken_Graphic_resized.jpg
Thoughts? Has anyone, that attended the IPCPR, tried one? It is suppose to work on all shapes.

MrOneEyedBoh
07-25-2011, 09:48 AM
Here is some info on it. Looks pretty cool

http://cigars.about.com/b/2011/07/13/revolutionary-new-cigar-cutter.htm

Sure why fix it if it isn't broke, but it's always cool to try something new.

kelmac07
07-25-2011, 10:01 AM
Interesting.

T.G
07-25-2011, 10:01 AM
Cigar Tech is introducing a revolutionary new cigar cutter design they are calling "SHURIKEN"("blade hidden in the hand"), otherwise known as a Japanese throwing star. The cutter, which looks like a giant capsule, has 6 razor sharp blades inside that cut slits around the top of the cigar. This allows the smoker to control the draw of their cigar by the amount of pressure applied. The new term for this cutting technique is called "I Draw Technology." The cutter will be available in plastic composite models with a $20.00 SRP, as well as various anodized aluminum models with SRP's ranging from $35.00-$40.00.

"The SHURIKEN cut draws the smoke evenly throughout the cigar, resulting in a cooler, more flavorful smoke," said Belinda Doyle, the founder of Cigar Tech. "It positions the smoke onto the tongue where the most pleasant tastes are experienced, and the draw is controlled by the pressure of your mouth on the slits made by the cutter. It really is amazing to be able to control the draw of virtually any cigar with this unique cut."


Jezus, and I thought the NUB was a gimmicky pos...

I see lots of potential for tar issues due to the nature of the cuts.

Krish the Fish
07-25-2011, 10:06 AM
We had a rep from the company come by at a cigar event at a B&M near me at the beginning of the summer. He showed us how to use the cutter. You've got to cut into the head of the cigar and then *bite down* on the cap a little bit to open up the slits. It's an interesting cutter, but I prefer guillotines at this point.

Ranger_B
07-25-2011, 10:11 AM
I have my palio and that cuts everything I need. Look pretty neat though. I do not see this fad picking up though.

neoflex
07-25-2011, 10:17 AM
I think I will stick to the old tried and true methods.

N2 GOLD
07-25-2011, 10:45 AM
VERY Interesting... :hm

I wonder if you could get the same results from an exacto knife(razor)??? I'm just say before you pop $20-$40... Do some R&D frist... -(P

Tbagley
07-25-2011, 11:03 AM
I envision tar balls like one would find on the beach.

BeerAdvocate
07-25-2011, 11:05 AM
Why re-invite the wheel?

mariogolbee
07-25-2011, 11:05 AM
I see lots of potential for tar issues due to the nature of the cuts.
Agreed.
I think I will stick to the old tried and true methods.
Cigar scissors?
I wonder if you could get the same results from an exacto knife(razor)??? I'm just say before you pop $20-$40... Do some R&D frist... -(P
This says the same thing of any cutter. I've used a box cutter for regular cuts and v-cuts. Some people use a knife for all of their cuts. Why spend $40+ on a Palio, Xikar. or any other cutter? Because they are designed for a purpose. Much as this one is.

I wonder if this thing actually works well. Surely their has been some testing done with it.

Ogre
07-25-2011, 11:13 AM
My Xikar does me vary well. Don't need to try anything new.

Sherlockholms
07-27-2011, 06:46 PM
Looks interesting, but I am not I would use that method.

Bill86
07-27-2011, 06:55 PM
Why re-invite the wheel?

:tpd:

This.

I can see why it might be interesting....but I would not buy one.

I dunno about the tar issues. I punch everything and I've probably punched 400-500 cigars with ZERO tar issues.

I just think this is WAY too gimmicky, I've never smoked a NuB never wanted to. This is the same type deal.

I'll pass.

EDIT I also think looking at the cuts this would definitely not work on a PPP situation. Also it cuts way too low into the cigar, at least IMO.

icehog3
07-28-2011, 03:59 PM
I would definitely have one of these on hand if they ever perfect a time machine and I can go back to the 70's and smoke a cigar with Bruce Lee.

aaron72
07-28-2011, 08:06 PM
I'm a bit surprised how most people don't even want to give it a try. I'd definitely like to give it a try to see if it changes up the flavor of the cigar at all. By keeping pretty much the entire cap on the cigar you might get different flavors by having more of the wrapper in your mouth.

kickerb
07-28-2011, 08:17 PM
not sure, i do not get much flavor from mouth contact to the wrapper. to me all the flavor comes from the smoke.

mariogolbee
07-28-2011, 08:47 PM
I'm a bit surprised how most people don't even want to give it a try. I'd definitely like to give it a try to see if it changes up the flavor of the cigar at all. By keeping pretty much the entire cap on the cigar you might get different flavors by having more of the wrapper in your mouth.
I'd sure like to try one. I don't think I'd dish out $40 without trying one first though. If I had $100 I'd get one for free from CI right now.

TBone
07-28-2011, 09:11 PM
My Xikar does me vary well. Don't need to try anything new.

I'd agree about the Xikar Mac's works fine as for my Palio I'm having to send number 5 back as the tabs have bent up on it and its to tight causing damage to the cut.

SmokeyJoe
07-28-2011, 09:13 PM
I would definitely have one of these on hand if they ever perfect a time machine and I can go back to the 70's and smoke a cigar with Bruce Lee.

Great! :tu

It could have been Bruce's greatest motion picture : "Enter the Icehog"

Battling Bruce with a variety of cutters and massive biceps. :ss

SmokeyJoe
07-28-2011, 09:16 PM
I don't NEED it...

I don't WANT it...

I would probably NEVER use it...

But I will probably have one before the end of the year. :(

This hobby treads on the threshold of obsession, methinks. :sl


:D

mariogolbee
07-28-2011, 09:30 PM
It could have been Bruce's greatest motion picture : "Enter the Icehog"

:eek::lv

hscmit
07-29-2011, 07:43 AM
gimmick

Wolfgang
07-29-2011, 07:56 AM
Great! :tu

It could have been Bruce's greatest motion picture : "Enter the Icehog"

Battling Bruce with a variety of cutters and massive biceps. :ss

That sounds dirty :noon

Stephen
07-29-2011, 10:37 AM
Man, I've been using one of these since I was in high school...
http://theycallmeenglish.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/SHORYUKEN.gif

nofeardiver
07-29-2011, 10:44 AM
Looks cool, i am not even going to comment on the nub comments, that is one of my favorite cigars, and enjoy them weekly... If you havent had one i dont think you should knock it, but hey to each there own smoke what you like...

Blak Smyth
07-29-2011, 10:48 AM
Looks cool, i am not even going to comment on the nub comments, that is one of my favorite cigars, and enjoy them weekly... If you havent had one i dont think you should knock it, but hey to each there own smoke what you like...


I too love the NUB maduro, just saying.

I do like to see people reinventing the wheel though, keeps it interesting. Even if it isn't the greatest idea. I'm not gonna buy one of these but I say keep the ideas rolling in.

T.G
07-29-2011, 11:01 AM
http://us.123rf.com/400wm/400/400/tonchik1981/tonchik19810905/tonchik1981090500021/4834676-person-make-square-car-wheel-by-hammer.jpg

GodOfFire
07-29-2011, 11:10 AM
I don't NEED it...

I don't WANT it...

I would probably NEVER use it...

But I will probably have one before the end of the year. :(

This hobby treads on the threshold of obsession, methinks. :sl


:D

Joe,

I smile every single time I see comments like this from you. Next time I'm in NC we have GOT to herf together!

Doctorossi
07-29-2011, 12:23 PM
I'm a bit surprised how most people don't even want to give it a try.

:tpd:

Everyone's saying 'I've already got something that does the job'... Well, I certainly had no problem finding a way to light a cigar before torch-flame lighters hit the market, but I wouldn't trade my torch-flame lighter for anything. Yes, good cigar cutters exist (the Palio is great), but that just means the challenge now isn't to find 'the only way', but to find 'a better way'.

Anybody ever skeptical of a specially-shaped wine or whisky glass?

... and then you tried one.

Trkdrvremt
07-29-2011, 12:25 PM
I'm willing to give a try.......-(P

shilala
07-29-2011, 12:30 PM
I've been using the X-acto cutter in my pencil jar on my desk. Amazingly enough, it makes the best cut I've ever found. I think they're 8 bucks, blades are replaceable, and they work great for opening cigar boxes without wrecking the seals.
I only do this because I don't know where any of my cutters are. There's one in the car, but I'm not going out there to get it.

Behold la'innovaccionne!!!

http://i925.photobucket.com/albums/ad96/scottshilala/cce87f82.jpg

shilala
07-29-2011, 12:31 PM
It matches my keyboard, which is also incredibly badass. :tu

ucla695
07-29-2011, 01:13 PM
Not fixing what isn't broken...I'm sticking with my guillotine.

bevo
07-29-2011, 02:28 PM
I have used one of these cutters for about four months. In hindsight, every cigar cut with a guillotine, a punch, or a v-cut, has been waste.

I cut about three cigars before I got the hang of it. Now, when I pull out a 50 or bigger, I reach for this cutter instead of a guillotine or a punch.

I do not smoke anything under 50 so I cannot tell you how cigars with different cuts compare.

I can taste a difference though. The six slits provide a cooler, more even draw compared to the guillotine. Unlike the punch, I can smoke any 50 or wider cigar down to about a half an inch without losing any taste or suffering tar issues.

Side note: with the six blade cutter or the punch, I have never had a tar problem. I guess I am lucky.

As to the enthusiasts who use Xcto knives, more power to you. My hands are not steady enough nor do have I have the patience to wield such an instrument to cut a cigar. Instead, I will use my six blade cutter to achieve a potentially similar effect.

CueTheMusic
07-29-2011, 02:32 PM
I have used one of these cutters for about four months. In hindsight, every cigar cut with a guillotine, a punch, or a v-cut, has been waste.

I cut about three cigars before I got the hang of it. Now, when I pull out a 50 or bigger, I reach for this cutter instead of a guillotine or a punch.

I do not smoke anything under 50 so I cannot tell you how cigars with different cuts compare.

I can taste a difference though. The six slits provide a cooler, more even draw compared to the guillotine. Unlike the punch, I can smoke any 50 or wider cigar down to about a half an inch without losing any taste or suffering tar issues.

Side note: with the six blade cutter or the punch, I have never had a tar problem. I guess I am lucky.

As to the enthusiasts who use Xcto knives, more power to you. My hands are not steady enough nor do have I have the patience to wield such an instrument to cut a cigar. Instead, I will use my six blade cutter to achieve a potentially similar effect.

hmm... :tf

poker
07-29-2011, 02:59 PM
I'll stick with what I know works. Palio

Doctorossi
07-29-2011, 03:03 PM
I'll stick with what I know works. Palio

... because, lord knows, trying this out on an el cheap-o stick to see if it might actually improve the experience of every cigar you smoke in the future would cost what... $3 and 20 minutes of your time?

Clearly not worth the investment!

:fu

poker
07-29-2011, 03:27 PM
Well, considering I own 6 Palios that work just fine in my opinion, I dont see a need to look further.

icehog3
07-29-2011, 04:47 PM
I have used one of these cutters for about four months. In hindsight, every cigar cut with a guillotine, a punch, or a v-cut, has been waste.

I cut about three cigars before I got the hang of it. Now, when I pull out a 50 or bigger, I reach for this cutter instead of a guillotine or a punch.

I do not smoke anything under 50 so I cannot tell you how cigars with different cuts compare.

I can taste a difference though. The six slits provide a cooler, more even draw compared to the guillotine. Unlike the punch, I can smoke any 50 or wider cigar down to about a half an inch without losing any taste or suffering tar issues.

Side note: with the six blade cutter or the punch, I have never had a tar problem. I guess I am lucky.

As to the enthusiasts who use Xcto knives, more power to you. My hands are not steady enough nor do have I have the patience to wield such an instrument to cut a cigar. Instead, I will use my six blade cutter to achieve a potentially similar effect.

So, how long have you worked for the company? :)

Out of curiousity, why would you say every cigar you ever cut with another cutter was a waste?

Bill86
07-29-2011, 05:06 PM
I have used one of these cutters for about four months. In hindsight, every cigar cut with a guillotine, a punch, or a v-cut, has been waste.

I cut about three cigars before I got the hang of it. Now, when I pull out a 50 or bigger, I reach for this cutter instead of a guillotine or a punch.

I do not smoke anything under 50 so I cannot tell you how cigars with different cuts compare.

I can taste a difference though. The six slits provide a cooler, more even draw compared to the guillotine. Unlike the punch, I can smoke any 50 or wider cigar down to about a half an inch without losing any taste or suffering tar issues.

Side note: with the six blade cutter or the punch, I have never had a tar problem. I guess I am lucky.

As to the enthusiasts who use Xcto knives, more power to you. My hands are not steady enough nor do have I have the patience to wield such an instrument to cut a cigar. Instead, I will use my six blade cutter to achieve a potentially similar effect.

Is it just me or do these 2 statements contradict each other?

Bad Finger
07-29-2011, 05:21 PM
Um, no.

NCRadioMan
07-29-2011, 05:29 PM
The six slits provide a cooler, more even draw compared to the guillotine.

Impossible. A guillotine provides the most surface area for the smoke to exit and if the cigar draws well, you can't get a "more even draw" than that.

T.G
07-29-2011, 07:16 PM
Ya know, I wonder if you used one of these slicey-dicey cigar shuriken dumawhackies and their "I Draw Technology" for the most uber-bestest draw evar on a Nub, which is ALL sweet spot, you would have so much awesomeness in one place that it would be like an orgasm of cigar goodness. A totally awesome uncontrollable cigargasm.

Commander Quan
07-30-2011, 08:22 AM
And if you bought that nub at a B&M instead of off the internet...

Bax
07-30-2011, 12:20 PM
I'd sure like to try one. I don't think I'd dish out $40 without trying one first though. If I had $100 I'd get one for free from CI right now.

Get it Mario, and if you don't like it you can always use it for that in-home circumcision business you've been looking into:r

T.G
07-30-2011, 12:23 PM
And if you bought that nub at a B&M instead of off the internet...


And if it were aged 3 years... *oy*

...OMG... I need a towel...

nofeardiver
07-31-2011, 07:38 AM
Ya know, I wonder if you used one of these slicey-dicey cigar shuriken dumawhackies and their "I Draw Technology" for the most uber-bestest draw evar on a Nub, which is ALL sweet spot, you would have so much awesomeness in one place that it would be like an orgasm of cigar goodness. A totally awesome uncontrollable cigargasm.

Should try it and let us know!



And if it were aged 3 years... *oy*

...OMG... I need a towel...

Exactly

Average Joe
07-31-2011, 08:27 AM
As to the enthusiasts who use Xcto knives, more power to you. My hands are not steady enough nor do have I have the patience to wield such an instrument to cut a cigar. Instead, I will use my six blade cutter to achieve a potentially similar effect.

All you do is cut off the cap. No need to go through the whole cigar. No need to "wield" the monster xacto knife either. Just lightly roll the cigar on the blade and voila. You're -(P in no time.

This cutter actually reminds me of this MadTV Spishak ad. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2FAP8o5ZEo0

emopunker2004
07-31-2011, 08:34 AM
I have used one of these cutters for about four months. In hindsight, every cigar cut with a guillotine, a punch, or a v-cut, has been waste.

I cut about three cigars before I got the hang of it. Now, when I pull out a 50 or bigger, I reach for this cutter instead of a guillotine or a punch.

I do not smoke anything under 50 so I cannot tell you how cigars with different cuts compare.

I can taste a difference though. The six slits provide a cooler, more even draw compared to the guillotine. Unlike the punch, I can smoke any 50 or wider cigar down to about a half an inch without losing any taste or suffering tar issues.

Side note: with the six blade cutter or the punch, I have never had a tar problem. I guess I am lucky.

As to the enthusiasts who use Xcto knives, more power to you. My hands are not steady enough nor do have I have the patience to wield such an instrument to cut a cigar. Instead, I will use my six blade cutter to achieve a potentially similar effect.

:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

mariogolbee
07-31-2011, 11:02 AM
Get it Mario, and if you don't like it you can always use it for that in-home circumcision business you've been looking into:r
:banger Bring it on! Tim, will you be my first customer? I'll give you half off! Get it? Half off? :r

muhren
07-31-2011, 11:35 AM
I've used one. Tried it at a shop about a year ago.

Here are my :2:
1. It was created BECAUSE people in the factory did use Exacto/razor blades to cut slits. it mimicks that. If you want to take the time to use a razor to cut five holes, experiment on your own.
2. You had to put it further into your mouth than I normally do as the slits are on the side rather than the tip of the cigar
3. The draw is more restricted than a standard cut with a guillotine (Should be obvious since that is a lop off the end)
4. I ended up having the shop owner give me a standard clip after I was through with half of the smoke.

Overall, it's not that is was BAD it was just QUITE different.

IF you're someone who thinks what you have is good enough...well, you're going to feel that way no matter what the new product is.

For someone who chomps the hell out of their cap and the cigar ends up unraveling, this may be for you. The cap (and wrapper) stayed relatively intact throughout my smoke.

TG is right in that it became restricted as the cigar was smoked.

M

area51
07-31-2011, 12:34 PM
Imho dont fix what isnt broken

bevo
08-05-2011, 06:13 PM
So, how long have you worked for the company? :)
No, I do not work for the company. I am just fanboy of the product. :)

Out of curiousity, why would you say every cigar you ever cut with another cutter was a waste?
With other cutters, I do not enjoy the last third of the bigger cigars because they burn too hot and deliver too much smoke. With a guillotine cut but not a punch cut, some bigger cigars had a tendency to burn unevenly. With the six slits, though, I can smoke almost all the cigar (usually down to the last inch or so depending on the brand).
With the six slits, the draw is more even and is cooler.

bevo
08-05-2011, 06:18 PM
Impossible. A guillotine provides the most surface area for the smoke to exit and if the cigar draws well, you can't get a "more even draw" than that.
You have had a much better experience than me with guillotine cuts on bigger cigars. I finally switched to the punch because I was tired of the uneven draws. With the punch, though, I am leaving about a third of the cigar because the cigar became too hot to smoke.

icehog3
08-05-2011, 07:02 PM
Perhaps you are smoking too quickly? I smoke churchills and double coronas all the time and never have them get too hot. And with proper humidification, I have no burn issues either.

Zeuceone
08-05-2011, 07:13 PM
Don't feed the troll.

emopunker2004
08-05-2011, 07:15 PM
http://bios.weddingbee.com/pics/57307/dont-feed-the-troll.jpg

Fixt :r

T.G
08-05-2011, 07:21 PM
Perhaps you are smoking too quickly? I smoke churchills and double coronas all the time and never have them get too hot. And with proper humidification, I have no burn issues either.


My exact first thoughts too Tom.

T.G
08-05-2011, 07:36 PM
Don't feed the troll.

Fixt :r

Come on guys.

Just because he has a differing opinion does not make him a troll.

A troll is someone who comes with the express purpose of disrupting, causing strife and agitating a forum, for their own amusement. There are many ways to do that, but coming in out of nowhere, posting something that sounds like a sales pitch and then a few days later civilly answering responses really isn't it.

Would he have been better served by posting an introduction in the appropriate section first, sure. Could the first post have been less like a shill, it could have been. But that, and the differing opinion, does not necessarily make him a troll.

Zeuceone
08-05-2011, 07:36 PM
Fixt :r

Thanks. Takes to long on my phone to post a picture

cort
08-05-2011, 07:41 PM
http://i302.photobucket.com/albums/nn91/gwc4sc/tumblr_lj6wbcTlPW1qaccd8o1_500.jpg

gnukfu
08-30-2011, 04:35 PM
http://i302.photobucket.com/albums/nn91/gwc4sc/tumblr_lj6wbcTlPW1qaccd8o1_500.jpg

Dynamite!


Was wondering exactly how this cutter worked. Thanks for the info. Maybe I'll buy one and put it in my drawer next to my Xikar scissors.

I've been using a chainsaw for years but I'm running out of fingers....

Two Guys has them for $19.99 if anyone is interested.

kickerb
08-30-2011, 06:47 PM
I am really interested to know this. What if it was say, Palio or Xikar that introduced this new style cutter. Would people be more excited and willing to buy?

To me it would not matter, I used a razor blade to memic this style cut and was not happy with it.

But I am curious to know if people's opinions would change based on brand power alone.

T.G
08-30-2011, 06:54 PM
I am really interested to know this. What if it was say, Palio or Xikar that introduced this new style cutter. Would people be more excited and willing to buy?


No, although it is the kind of unneeded gadgetry I come to expect from Xikar.

pnoon
08-30-2011, 07:11 PM
I am really interested to know this. What if it was say, Palio or Xikar that introduced this new style cutter. Would people be more excited and willing to buy?

To me it would not matter, I used a razor blade to memic this style cut and was not happy with it.

But I am curious to know if people's opinions would change based on brand power alone.

No, although it is the kind of unneeded gadgetry I come to expect from Xikar.

I can pretty much guarantee you that Palio would never market anything gimmicky. At least under current ownership.

DPD6030
08-30-2011, 07:17 PM
Hey give me the sexy leg lamp that was in A Christmas Story...I'm sold. This I will not buy. :D

Aporschaguy
08-30-2011, 07:31 PM
Looks interesting but I've hade my Xikar for over 10 years and it has never cut wrong. As sharp as the day I got it. I've dropped it a thousand times... I haven't even oiled it as recomened. Old faithful.

http://i1124.photobucket.com/albums/l569/1971911e/826cd5e2.jpg

http://i1124.photobucket.com/albums/l569/1971911e/517d97ed.jpg

vinnydisilvio
08-31-2011, 05:38 PM
based on the fact that B&M owner i know, who smokes at least 3 cigars pretty much every day, has experienced that the cigars cut with this cutter do burn cooler than cigars cut with a guillotine or something else (and he's not a speed smoker) and that his experience is that it does create a more flavorful smoke...and that i'm a sucker for collecting accessories...i've already ordered this from one of his stores.

it's only $19.99 for the plastic-cased edition so i don't feel like i'm committing a lot. based on the fact that this is actually a "new" way to cut cigars and that it works to cut the cigars pretty much means those crying "gimmick" are incorrect. to each their own, but since this has worked for very experienced cigar smokers i can't wait to try it!

icehog3
08-31-2011, 05:45 PM
Though being that he profits by selling them, it does raise the question of "would be say they suck"? ;)

pnoon
08-31-2011, 05:47 PM
based on the fact that B&M owner i know, who smokes at least 3 cigars pretty much every day, has experienced that the cigars cut with this cutter do burn cooler than cigars cut with a guillotine or something else (and he's not a speed smoker) and that his experience is that it does create a more flavorful smoke...and that i'm a sucker for collecting accessories...i've already ordered this from one of his stores.

it's only $19.99 for the plastic-cased edition so i don't feel like i'm committing a lot. based on the fact that this is actually a "new" way to cut cigars and that it works to cut the cigars pretty much means those crying "gimmick" are incorrect. to each their own, but since this has worked for very experienced cigar smokers i can't wait to try it!

Opinions vary.
:2

Bill86
08-31-2011, 05:49 PM
Probably not, although he could up-sell you to a more pricey cutter.

He must at least PARTIALLY believe in the thing if he isn't trying to push you into a $50 Xi or Palio.

Or maybe he tries to guess everyones budget based on actions and just says everything in the shop is good :sh

It's really hard to guess peoples motivation.

NCRadioMan
08-31-2011, 05:50 PM
Based on the fact that the definition of 'gimmick' is "An innovative or unusual mechanical contrivance; a gadget." then yes, it is a gimmick. And based on the fact that it is, in fact, a gimmick doesn't, in fact, make it a bad thing.

Based on those facts, I think it may just be fact that it's all subjective. :D

vinnydisilvio
09-01-2011, 12:11 AM
Though being that he profits by selling them, it does raise the question of "would be say they suck"? ;)

actually this guy...yeah he would. he owns 3 very large and successful shops and has a history of saying when there's something that's just a gimmick if he doesn't think it's great. and if it actually sucked he wouldn't buy any for the shop.

Probably not, although he could up-sell you to a more pricey cutter.

He must at least PARTIALLY believe in the thing if he isn't trying to push you into a $50 Xi or Palio.

Or maybe he tries to guess everyones budget based on actions and just says everything in the shop is good :sh

It's really hard to guess peoples motivation.

well, this guy isn't someone i normally buy from. i'm canadian and he's an american shop owner on the opposite coast. he knows he's not gonna get hardly any orders from me because a canadian mail-ordering cigars is far too expensive. he's also not someone who believes in selling someone something he doesn't feel they could use. he's old school, so he believes more in creating a good reputation based on selling people something they will be happy with.

Based on the fact that the definition of 'gimmick' is "An innovative or unusual mechanical contrivance; a gadget." then yes, it is a gimmick. And based on the fact that it is, in fact, a gimmick doesn't, in fact, make it a bad thing.

Based on those facts, I think it may just be fact that it's all subjective. :D

well, since that's not the only definition of "gimmick", it's hard to assume that's what people mean when they seem to be using it in a dismissive context. the way a few people on the thread were using it, the definition of "a concealed, usually devious aspect or feature of something, as a plan or deal" since those who called it a gimmick seemed to be saying "i don't see the need for it because..." i mean, really, if you assume the definition you've quoted then nearly every accessory ever made is a gimmick. it didn't sound like that was some others' opinions.

i'm not naive enough to think i can change someone's opinion, but instead just voice my own. i was just stating why i thought it was a good idea to buy.

Opinions vary.
:2

well...it works as a cutter or it doesn't. that's not really a matter of opinion. whether or not people like how it works certainly is though. i can respect that.

tenbaseg
09-01-2011, 05:13 AM
http://images.cheezburger.com/completestore/2009/12/18/129056342867646974.jpg

0002S
09-01-2011, 05:25 AM
It's an answer to a question I wasn't asking.

Sailchaser
09-01-2011, 06:03 AM
My dollar cutter has worked just fine for the last 10 years while the pallio, firebird, xikar and 10 other cutters all sit in the cabinet along with 20 lighters that I just had to have:2

pnoon
09-01-2011, 06:44 AM
actually this guy...yeah he would. he owns 3 very large and successful shops and has a history of saying when there's something that's just a gimmick if he doesn't think it's great. and if it actually sucked he wouldn't buy any for the shop.



well, this guy isn't someone i normally buy from. i'm canadian and he's an american shop owner on the opposite coast. he knows he's not gonna get hardly any orders from me because a canadian mail-ordering cigars is far too expensive. he's also not someone who believes in selling someone something he doesn't feel they could use. he's old school, so he believes more in creating a good reputation based on selling people something they will be happy with.



well, since that's not the only definition of "gimmick", it's hard to assume that's what people mean when they seem to be using it in a dismissive context. the way a few people on the thread were using it, the definition of "a concealed, usually devious aspect or feature of something, as a plan or deal" since those who called it a gimmick seemed to be saying "i don't see the need for it because..." i mean, really, if you assume the definition you've quoted then nearly every accessory ever made is a gimmick. it didn't sound like that was some others' opinions.

i'm not naive enough to think i can change someone's opinion, but instead just voice my own. i was just stating why i thought it was a good idea to buy.



well...it works as a cutter or it doesn't. that's not really a matter of opinion. whether or not people like how it works certainly is though. i can respect that.
Thanks for enlightening all of us.

Blak Smyth
09-01-2011, 06:58 AM
My dollar cutter has worked just fine for the last 10 years while the pallio, firebird, xikar and 10 other cutters all sit in the cabinet along with 20 lighters that I just had to have:2

I have always used a cheap cutter or punch, however I used a Palio at Dom's herf and it was amazingly better than a cheap cutter!
If you want to get rid of your Palio let me know;)

poker
09-01-2011, 07:38 AM
Its the same with lighters. Some prefer a soft flame, others a torch or ceder strip. Its not that one is better or worse, but just a personal preference just like cutters. Use what fits your budget and what works for you.

vinnydisilvio
09-01-2011, 05:53 PM
Thanks for enlightening all of us.

lol...i'm sorry if i come across as someone who thinks they know it all. that's not the intention.

Its the same with lighters. Some prefer a soft flame, others a torch or ceder strip. Its not that one is better or worse, but just a personal preference just like cutters. Use what fits your budget and what works for you.

yeah, agreed poker, for sure. this also reminds me that i still feel like i need at least 1 punch (with threads on it to keep it secure, since i lost half of one once) and a V-cutter. i'd love to make my collection "complete".

nofeardiver
09-02-2011, 06:34 PM
My mom always said don't knock it till you have tried it. I would try it once to see how it is looks kind of wild... The only thing that would concern me is if a kid got a hold of the and stuck his or her finger in hat or if an adult picked it or had it their pocket and acidently put their finger in it.ouch see un safe by just my opinion.

jjmitchem
09-02-2011, 09:20 PM
I got a free one with an order of cigars. I tried it once and the end of my cigar was all torn up. The thing went right into the garbage.

vinnydisilvio
09-03-2011, 12:23 PM
I got a free one with an order of cigars. I tried it once and the end of my cigar was all torn up. The thing went right into the garbage.

yeah, i've heard that can happen too. did you turn the cutter or cigar once the cigar was inside? apparently when it first started coming out, some people were turning it and getting torn up cigars because it was designed to cut the cigar just by pushing the cigar in and then taking it out.

by the way, i love the Spurgeon quote on your sig. nice!

jjmitchem
09-05-2011, 12:40 PM
Nope. Straight in and straight out. Ended up smoking a shaggy from the shaggy end

Yes, I love that quote too :)

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10-11-2011, 01:24 PM
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10-11-2011, 01:26 PM
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10-11-2011, 01:33 PM
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Best. Post. Ever.