Clemens Dodges A Rocket!!

[kelmac07]

Whoa....didn't see that coming. I thought 'ole Roger was doomed for sure. Dumb-a$$ prosecuters insisted on trying to admit evidence that the judge had already declared inadmissible and he rules a mistrial after only two days into the trial.

Goes back to court 2 Sep 11 to see if a new trial will occur.

Roger dodged a HUGE rocket today!! But he still isn't getting into the Hall. :D

[EricF]

This is still not over for him. I feel he will finally be caught lieing!!!

[chippewastud79]

Its unfortunate that such a stupid mistake could be made by a lawyer. There was a quote to the effect of: "Even a rookie lawyer straight out of law school wouldn't be that stupid." Well it looks like the prosecution was. :bh

At the end of the day, Roger misses the HOF which is justice enough for me. He acted like a dick and most likely lied before congress like many others (Bonds, Palmeiro et. al.) but then again, congress should have never been involved in baseball. Bud Selig should have handled the 'steroid era' himself, but then again it saved baseball. I digress. :hm

[GreekGodX]

What is interesting to me is that the charges are based off a testimony he gave willingly in front of congress. He didn't have to give it! Now there's a good chance he will never get charged based on double jeopardy.

[Subvet642]

What is interesting to me is that the charges are based off a testimony he gave willingly in front of congress. He didn't have to give it! Now there's a good chance he will never get charged based on double jeopardy.

Double Jeopardy doesn't apply because a verdict was not rendered. However, how in the world does an experienced federal prosecutor make a "mistake" like that? It would seem to me that the "fix" was in.

[SUOrangeGuy]

Double Jeopardy doesn't apply because a verdict was not rendered. However, how in the world does an experienced federal prosecutor make a "mistake" like that? It would seem to me that the "fix" was in.

:tu +1

[Mattso3000]

Double Jeopardy doesn't apply because a verdict was not rendered. However, how in the world does an experienced federal prosecutor make a "mistake" like that? It would seem to me that the "fix" was in.

Agreed. This screw-up is too ridiculous. The worst part is the loss of taxpayer funds already tied up in this trial. How much did this debacle just cost us???

[Dave128]

Double Jeopardy doesn't apply because a verdict was not rendered. However, how in the world does an experienced federal prosecutor make a "mistake" like that? It would seem to me that the "fix" was in.

+2 :tu

[Subvet642]

Agreed. This screw-up is too ridiculous. The worst part is the loss of taxpayer funds already tied up in this trial. How much did this debacle just cost us???

I think I heard about $9 million.

[Sawyer]

I think I heard about $9 million.

I want my money back.

[E.J.]

Prosecutor should lose his job for incompetence.

Though I think R.C. is a douche in the first degree and I'd like to see him convicted, one side of me says let it die.... On the flip side, when you break the law, you should face the consequences of that....especially if you "appear" to break it in such an overt and public way. We are not talking about speeding on a desolate road, but being accused of lying to congress. So my opinion is still split on this.

Did I mention that I think R.C. is a douche bag?

[E.J.]

Let it be known that I'd settle for MLB to Pete Rose him....

[Subvet642]

Let it be known that I'd settle for MLB to Pete Rose him....

:tu +1

[Gophernut]

Let it be known that I'd settle for MLB to Pete Rose him....

I'd rather see Rose in the HOF then Clemens.

[Blak Smyth]

I'd rather see Rose in the HOF then Clemens.

Agreed!

[BigAsh]

Most dominant pitcher I ever saw in person....with the Sox, he was fun to watch!

[taltos]

I would love to see him heavily fined or getting his butt sent to jail but that is a double standard. He is getting nailed for lying to Congress. What do they do to us on a daily basis?

[The Poet]

By my count, it's now 2-1. It's a good pitch for the runner on 1st to steal. :D

[ucla695]

Unreal!

I think I heard about $9 million.

I want my money back.

:tpd:

[Genetic Defect]

I would love to see him heavily fined or getting his butt sent to jail but that is a double standard. He is getting nailed for lying to Congress. What do they do to us on a daily basis?

This

[ucla695]

I would love to see him heavily fined or getting his butt sent to jail but that is a double standard. He is getting nailed for lying to Congress. What do they do to us on a daily basis?

:tu

[shilala]

I'm with Paul.
Plus Clemens is a douche, but he was an awesome ball player. I absolutely loved him, he gave it 110% every time he was out there (unless he was having a tantrum).
I had no idea there was a place for the truth in Congress, that must be a special standard for real people who haven't made their living lying. And the waste of money?
The whole thing just makes my head spin from the stupidity. You'd think they'd start to get it that no one cares anymore, not even a little bit. Talk about beating a dead horse.

[icehog3]

I'd rather see Rose in the HOF then Clemens.

:tu

[The Poet]

Let it be known that I'd settle for MLB to Pete Rose him....

I'd rather see Rose in the HOF then Clemens.


Do I think Clemens is guilty, not only of using PEDs but of lying to Congress? Yes. Do I think either of these allegations has yet been proven? No.

Do I think Pete Rose did something that Roger Clemens never did . . . violate a written rule of MLB, and in his case one which has become the one inviolate cardinal rule since the Black Sox scandel over a century ago? Yes. Do I think Rose lied about that in his repeated denials against all evidence to the contrary? Yes.

I am no Clemens fan, and if he's denied the Hall Of Fame due to these allegations, be they ever proven or not, then so be it. But I shall never . . . NEVER! . . . understand why Pete Rose supporters are so willing to overlook both his "crime" and his overweening, all-encompassing @$$holeness. Ty Cobb was a bigger jerk than Pete Rose, but not by much.

That's my :2 , and worth every penny.

[icehog3]

Ty Cobb was a bigger jerk than Pete Rose, but not by much.


Isn't Ty Cobb in the HOF?

[The Poet]

Isn't Ty Cobb in the HOF?

Yes, he certainly is. And I won't deny that both he and Rose have the stats to justify inclusion. But so does Clemens. So hold whatever opinion you choose on the "morality clause" when it comes to HoF election. All I ask is that one be consistent. Do not lobby to exclude Clemens and push for Rose to be inducted, in nearly the same breath.

It is illogical, Captain.

[icehog3]

Yes, he certainly is. And I won't deny that both he and Rose have the stats to justify inclusion. But so does Clemens. So hold whatever opinion you choose on the "morality clause" when it comes to HoF election. All I ask is that one be consistent. Do not lobby to exclude Clemens and push for Rose to be inducted, in nearly the same breath.

It is illogical, Captain.

I never said one word against Clemens being in the HOF, here or elsewhere. I think Rose deserves it more than Clemens, but I never said Clemens should be excluded. ;)

[Starscream]

I'd rather see Rose in the HOF then Clemens.
Free Pete!



I may be the only one here that hopes Clemens gets off Scott free, b/c I think it was a joke for congress to investigate baseball. They may be douchebags, but Clemens and Bonds should NEVER have been put in those situations. Its just a game!

And I also think that all the media's issues with steroids in sports is a big hypocrisy.

[E.J.]

I may be the only one here that hopes Clemens gets off Scott free, b/c I think it was a joke for congress to investigate baseball. They may be douchebags, but Clemens and Bonds should NEVER have been put in those situations. Its just a game!



Clemens put himself in the situation.... He wanted to and ask to be there...

I do not believe it is just a game..... It is a business, BIG BUSINESS....it is the exact reason the owners of two of the 4 major sports, have stopped business and locked the players out.

Billion dollar corporations that use public resources need to have governmental scrutiny, IMO.




If you are going to let Pete in, you have to let Shoeless Joe in.....

[Subvet642]

Do I think Clemens is guilty, not only of using PEDs but of lying to Congress? Yes. Do I think either of these allegations has yet been proven? No.

Do I think Pete Rose did something that Roger Clemens never did . . . violate a written rule of MLB, and in his case one which has become the one inviolate cardinal rule since the Black Sox scandel over a century ago? Yes. Do I think Rose lied about that in his repeated denials against all evidence to the contrary? Yes.

I am no Clemens fan, and if he's denied the Hall Of Fame due to these allegations, be they ever proven or not, then so be it. But I shall never . . . NEVER! . . . understand why Pete Rose supporters are so willing to overlook both his "crime" and his overweening, all-encompassing @$$holeness. Ty Cobb was a bigger jerk than Pete Rose, but not by much.That's my :2 , and worth every penny.


Pete Rose never beat the sh!t out of a man in a wheelchair because he was called a name, like Ty Cobb did. That being said, Pete Rose did violate a cardinal rule, and he knew the consequences.

[shilala]

I think Charlie Hustle should be president of something, and definately in the HoF. He came clean. My guess is that they'll award him posthumously so he can never get a sniff of whatever wonderfulness comes from being an inductee.

[Starscream]

Pete the manager violated the rules of baseball.
Pete the player deserves to be in the HoF.

I'm not saying this just b/c I'm a Reds fan. I would have the same pov if it was Ty Cobb in the same situation. Or Ozzy Smith, or Jeter, or Ted Williams.


But this isn't a Pete Rose thread, so I'll leave it be from here.