Sam Leccia Cigar Company

[Emjaysmash]

Well we all knew this would probably happen...

http://www.samlecciacigarco.com/

The PRESS RELEASE (http://www.samlecciacigarco.com/pdf/samdebut2011pressrelease.pdf):

For Immediate Release
May 24, 2011
Sam Leccia “Debut”
It is with great pleasure we announce the return of one of the most creative minds the cigar industry has known. Sam Leccia is back with his newest creation and what looks to be the years most anticipated cigar. The Sam Leccia Cigar Company (www.samlecciacigarco.com) proudly presents Sam’s “Debut”, a fitting name for Leccia’s solo release.

The cigar nation embraces Leccia like a rock star for the passion and originality he brings to the business.

“This is the most exciting time of my life. I look forward to sharing with you, my Debut.”- Sam Leccia

Sam Leccia’s “Debut” is a twist of Nicaragua, Honduras, Ecuador and Santo Domingo tobaccos blended together to give a unique smoking experience. Sam’s “Debut” will be available in 3 sizes: Double Rob 5x60, Double Church 7x60, Figurado 6 ½x52. The marketing genius and mad science approach of Sam Leccia has audiences excited about his newest creation the “Debut”.

For pre-orders and general inquiries contact SamsDebut@SamLecciaCigarCo.com www.samlecciacigarco.com

[mmblz]

:r


that is all

[elderboy02]

Very interesting. I want to try one. I would have liked to see some smaller RG's come out but I guess when you invent the nubs, you go big or go home.

[massphatness]

Anybody else think he looks like Kid Rock?

Bawitdaba da bang a dang diggy diggy diggy

[Emjaysmash]

Very interesting. I want to try one. I would have liked to see some smaller RG's come out but I guess when you invent the nubs, you go big or go home.
Yeah I was dissapointed in the RG as well

Anybody else think he looks like Kid Rock?

Bawitdaba da bang a dang diggy diggy diggy

:r :r yes!

[mmblz]

oh yeah, and from the picture, I'm pretty sure these are actually "Sam Seccia" cigars ;)

[Subvet642]

Anybody else think he looks like Kid Rock?


If by that you mean that he looks like he's been sleeping under a bridge; then yes, he does.

[Bill86]

The sizing on these cigars is ridiculous, not surprising, but ridiculous.

[Volusianator]

I wonder if any of them will have wrappers that don't split.

[OLS]

His own press release states that the cigar world regards him as a rock star?? I invented a way to wipe
my a$$ 3 times with the same square of TP and you don't see ME making a press release.

[jesseboston81]

The sizing on these cigars is ridiculous, not surprising, but ridiculous.

Agreed. 7x60?! Maybe he got a good deal on filler and he's trying to keep his startup costs low. Based on those sizes alone this is near the very bottom of my "to try" list.

[loki]

my jaw hurts just reading about that size.

[jesseboston81]

I invented a way to wipe my a$$ 3 times with the same square of TP

Do share, this can drastically reduce my TP budget! :D

[tx_tuff]

I for one am glad he is back!!! People can knock him, his cigars, his style all they want but when you get to know the guy on a personal level its different. I love the guy and wish him great success!

[OLS]

That makes one. Anyone else. :r

Seriously, I don't care if he's in or out, he makes cigars I don't smoke, so he doesn't compete for
my dollar. Plus this is how people make money in the idea business. God bless him. But the NUB?

Additionally, when you get to know someone on a personal level, it's only 'different' if you think
positively about what they accomplished. If I met him and got to know him on a personal level,
it would NOT be different. Least I don't think so.

[Subvet642]

When your own press release states that the cigar world regards you as a rock star, there is something
seriously wrong with your self image. THAT'S what he is famous for, making a short fat cigar? I invented
a way to wipe my a$$ 3 times with the same square of TP and you don't see ME making a press release.

Prolly shoulda kept that to yourself, anyway. :r

[loki]

I for one am glad he is back!!! People can knock him, his cigars, his style all they want but when you get to know the guy on a personal level its different. I love the guy and wish him great success!

i hope he does well too. i just wish he'd make a smaller cigar

[OLS]

I'm pretty sure these are actually "Sam Seccia" cigars ;)

Is this a reference to "sausage"? Cause if it was, I definitely got it.
If it is NOT.....I have no idea what you mean.

[icehog3]

His own press release states that the cigar world regards him as a rock star??

Sam is a legend in his own mind.

[mmblz]

Is this a reference to "sausage"? Cause if it was, I definitely got it.
If it is NOT.....I have no idea what you mean.

Take a look at his signature.
:sh

[MarkinAZ]

:confused:...What, no 70rg?

Anybody else think he looks like Kid Rock?

Bawitdaba da bang a dang diggy diggy diggy

Nahhhhh:D

[Bill86]

His own press release states that the cigar world regards him as a rock star?? I invented a way to wipe
my a$$ 3 times with the same square of TP and you don't see ME making a press release.

That would be more interesting.


Agreed. 7x60?! Maybe he got a good deal on filler and he's trying to keep his startup costs low. Based on those sizes alone this is near the very bottom of my "to try" list.

I think he took the nub thing and made them full size cigars. Yes this is right above shooting myself in the foot for $hits and giggles.


my jaw hurts just reading about that size.

Agreed, I've never had a 6x60 I could finish. They lack flavor to me.


I for one am glad he is back!!! People can knock him, his cigars, his style all they want but when you get to know the guy on a personal level its different. I love the guy and wish him great success!

I think everyone is just knocking the cigars. I'm sure he is a great person but his cigars don't market to US kinda people. More or less the less informed masses or people that buy into marketing gimmicks.

I'm sure he is a cool guy though.

That makes one. Anyone else. :r

Seriously, I don't care if he's in or out, he makes cigars I don't smoke, so he doesn't compete for
my dollar. Plus this is how people make money in the idea business. God bless him. But the NUB?

Additionally, when you get to know someone on a personal level, it's only 'different' if you think
positively about what they accomplished. If I met him and got to know him on a personal level,
it would NOT be different. Least I don't think so.

I agree, gimmick cigars make $$$$ I won't bother listing them. You already know.

Probably you would just say he's a pretty cool guy. Then move onto the fact that you don't like anything he's done. Or you might find out the opposite but still it wouldn't change much.

[ahc4353]

I wonder where the "sweet spot" is on those bad boys? :D

[maninblack]

I'm going to let the cigars be the judge. I wish him the best of luck in this endeavor and will wait until the actual product comes out before I bash the guy.

[tx_tuff]

I'm going to let the cigars be the judge. I wish him the best of luck in this endeavor and will wait until the actual product comes out before I bash the guy.

Great way of thinking!

[warpedcigars]

More jawbreaker cigars, o goodie....

[Skywalker]

Good Luck Sam!

Here's an idea... come out with a Sam Series:
Sam I am (Candela)
Sam's Club (like the Sopranos bat)
Son of Sam (like the Monster Series)
Uncle Sam (Patriotic)
Play It Again Sam (a revision of the NUB)

If it's successful, I want a cut!;)

[Sam Leccia]

Gang,

Thanks for the well wishes, and the ****-talking. I truly enjoy reading them both. You guys always keep me grounded, and whether you like me, my cigars, both or neither, I am proud to be part of our cigar world.

I take all of the praise and criticism both to heart and in stride. I am not a business mogul trying to just make a buck. I love what I do and love taking risks, bringing change and trying new things.

I appreciate everyone of you guys, as we all share one thing in common, we love a good smoke, and for that reason alone I'd enjoy having a smoke with any of you, even if I go home with less teeth.


Be Well.

Sam Leccia

[Brooks W]

Sam is a great guy, no doubt...nothing but class when I photographed him last year, extremely personable, and can roll the hell out of a cigar....

The Press release, while a bit over the top, is all marketing, and nothing else...

The cigars will speak for themselves...if the blend is great, we will soon find out :)

Sam, when do you expect these to be out, roughly?

~brooks

[Matt-N-Ga]

Sam is a great guy, no doubt...nothing but class when I photographed him last year, extremely personable, and can roll the hell out of a cigar....

The Press release, while a bit over the top, is all marketing, and nothing else...

The cigars will speak for themselves...if the blend is great, we will soon find out :)

Sam, when do you expect these to be out, roughly?

~brooks

Well said. The little time I got to spend with Sam was a blast. We have some friends in common, but had never met, and when we did, we sat and talked for a good long time. I was happy to meet him. Though the Nubs aren't my thing, and the Cain is a bit much for me, I do wish him the best, and hope to herf with him again soon.

[Louistogies]

Looking forward to seeing what these are like. Sam hopefully you can try making more smaller rings in the future!:D

[CoreyD]

I'll be honest, I never pay attention to advertising something comes out I try it, The cigar,filler,wrapper,binder speaks for itself. So all fine and dandy like a woman told me once , size don't matter its how it works. So I'm interested in seeing how this tastes and smokes and can't wait to try one, who knows it may be a go to stick. People always don't like the way I look,talk or smell but they still call me.

[CoreyD]

I will be honest though wth is Sam Leccia and what cigars has he produced before, I'll go on a whim here and say since it says debut its his first line, but like I said before my dream is coming out with my own line and sticks and I would enjoy it if my friends/ forum buddies gave me support , not bust my balls hehe. Especially if its my first line. My first line may be a private line so I don't get hung . But I to may look for a signature size. the 6 1/2 x 52 he has as smaller stick is a little longer that what some people call robusto or super robusto.
This ends my part of the freedom of opinion I mean speech,that everyone else gets to share as well.
Ok that being said I googled him and saw he was with Oliva on the Cain and Nub project, that being said the baccy may be different because he's on his own and had to go that route but I am even now more curious to try because I have enjoyed blends I have had his hands were on. A quote:NUb cigars were created by Leccia and Oliva Cigar and launched in 2008, end quote so that being said we all klnow how working for a company goes, now we all know some creators that have done well on their own without the corporate fine tooth and could create with their own finesse., but we have known some fall.

[Emjaysmash]

I will be honest though wth is Sam Leccia and what cigars has he produced before, I'll go on a whim here and say since it says debut its his first line, but like I said before my dream is coming out with my own line and sticks and I would enjoy it if my friends/ forum buddies gave me support , not bust my balls hehe. Especially if its my first line. My first line may be a private line so I don't get hung . But I to may look for a signature size. the 6 1/2 x 52 he has as smaller stick is a little longer that what some people call robusto or super robusto.
This ends my part of the freedom of opinion I mean speech,that everyone else gets to share as well.

Sam Leccia was the man behind the NUB and Cain lines.

[kelmac07]

Interesting...

[DaBear]

At $5.50 a stick, the Nub Cameroon was a solid cigar. Not as big a fan of the others, but I can see where others would enjoy them more. The Cains on the other hand :dr . Love those bad boys. The F takes the cake but the maduro and Daytona are great sticks as well. I'm intrigued with the figurado the most as I do enjoy my figurados, but I'd like to see the sticks in a size closer to a toro. Best of luck Sam. I'll be picking up a few on release assuming I can find them near me

[kuzi16]

Agreed. 7x60?! Maybe he got a good deal on filler and he's trying to keep his startup costs low. Based on those sizes alone this is near the very bottom of my "to try" list.
have you seen the new "My Uzi weighs a ton" put out by Johnathan Drew and JdN? thats the size on that guy.

[T.G]

Hell, I'll try them, the blend sounds more interesting than some others out there, and I'm curious to see what Sam came up with given the freedom to make all the decisions and not have to answer to Oliva.

Worst that happens is that I'm out a few bucks for some cigars I didn't enjoy.

[tx_tuff]

I'm not a large RG guy myself either, but I can promise you that this is not something new or just with this cigar line!

Went to a online cigar store just now and only looking up the companys starting with A there where 16 different cigars with a 60 RG! And I didn't count all the 58 RG cigars I saw.

[OLS]

Aw, I was just messin with you Frank, cause you were defending Kid Rock too much, lol.
Truth is I have not been inside a Brick and Mortar cigar store in 5 years and have not
BOUGHT out of one in MUCH, MUCH longer. But I have heard the news in forums, I DO
know how "popular" the big RG smokes are. I just don't get it, unless it is purely a factor
of the SIZE being an indication of how cool they are. That must be why I tend towards
the PCs and panatelas. And if I heard someone bashing the Padron's, I would defend
them the way you do Leccia. I just like em.

[OLS]

I'm curious to see what Sam came up with given the freedom to make all the decisions and not have to answer to Oliva.

This is an ironic statement to me, and I know where it comes from, but I laughed when I read
it. If you had to list the most widely-acclaimed tobacco men in the world, ones who have seen
and done everything at least twice, the Oliva family is in the top three. I read Sam's online "resume'",
and he has not even been in tobacco for more than a hiccup of time. Read the part below the Nub
time in his life, pre-2005. (it's all fairly interesting, really)

http://www.linkedin.com/pub/sam-leccia/27/7a7/33a

There is something to be said for a lifetime tobacco family going back 3-4 generations not being able
to see the nub forest for the trees and missing out on something a liquor distributor keys in on by some
kind of doofus accident "Why don't we make the whole cigar be the "good" part", lol, but I thought Adam's
statement was funny after I read his online bio. If you want to get an indication of the Oliva legacy,
read the story of the early US life of Orlando Padron. It's very illuminating.

[Brooks W]

BTW, I wish there was a smaller RG in the lineup as well, but there is NO doubt that the bigger sticks sell well (quite a bit better then smaller RG, by all accounts)...I am betting he is introducing these sizes first, then will continue to introduce smaller sizes (Corona PLEASE Sam!) as the line gets to be better known...

~brooks

[OLS]

I am sure I can't edit my post, so just to be clear again, I have no argument against
Mr. Leccia. I like the way he goes out and rolls his own cigars and you can tell that
with him, he seems to take the love of the business manifested in say, Jon Drew,
but to a much more personal level. I am sure that Drew can roll a cigar, but to take
your act on the road and roll up your cigart, and do it for 3 straight years with very
little break, I DO admire his intensity and apparent love of the business. Maybe a cat
like that DOES need to break loose. I am sure he learned a $hi+load from the Olivas.

I KNOW J. Drew has been on long tours, but to ME, these were cocktail parties for him.
I was surprised to see that Leccia mostly sat down and rolled while he did HIS talking.
These two major upstarts DO seem to represent a new era of cigars and cigar marketing.

[T.G]

Brad,

:)

[lilwing88]

I think it's cool he responded to the buzz. Good or bad. I hear nothing but good things about the guy being "down to earth"....... but luxury cars, private jets and designer clothes? Come back down, Sam. You've already got a huge following. I'd hate to see you lose some fans.

I heard the photo shoot was all impromptu and last minute, but it still came off as a little self-indulgent to me.

I, for one, will be trying The Debut when it's released. I'm not gonna pre-order any, though. I'll wait till they're in the B&Ms or on one of the catalog sites. I like the figurado size. Sounds good.

[OLS]

Brad,

:)

Hehe, NO YOU are :)....

For what it's worth, I think he figured...OK, everything about nub and cain PR was over the top,
if I am going to break out, I am going to have to take it to the next uhhh....place.

[T.G]

:r

[OLS]

my dream is coming out with my own line and sticks and I would enjoy it if my
friends/ forum buddies gave me support , not bust my balls hehe..
Why don't you try it.........;) hehehe


there has to be a better smilie for this situation.
I wanted to use the red guy, but he's not a DEVIL, he's "angry"
We need a devilish devil.

[Brooks W]

Hehe, NO YOU are :)....

For what it's worth, I think he figured...OK, everything about nub and cain PR was over the top,
if I am going to break out, I am going to have to take it to the next uhhh....place.

I Like my pic of him better, personally :r

[forgop]

It'll be interesting to see how someone stands on their own when they think they're bigger than Oliva. He seemed to forget about everyone else in the hobby as it become more and more about him. It seems Oliva made it clear that Nub/Cain/Sam weren't bigger than they were and now has to start all over for something he spent the past 3 years of his life building.

[nofeardiver]

I have met and talked with Sam a few times, i found him to be a stand up guy... He never tried to sell me anything or talk me into any cigars, simply handed me a few cigars and said thanks for coming out to the events... I have nothing for respect for the guy... I hope he does very well... Good Luck Sam!!!

[Sam Leccia]

Yo,

Just wanted to pass a note and let you in on a few things. I don't feel I have to, but I want to because quite frankly I think some of you have the wrong perception. Like I said before, I don't care if you don't like me, my cigars, or both, but I'd rather you like/not like me for who I am rather than what I am not.

"down to Earth"? I don't know man, I cut my grass and take out the trash just like I would imagine most of you do. I am certainly not made of money or consider myself any sort of celebrity. There has never been paparazzi on my lawn, and I certainly don't get bothered at the grocery store or the mall. I also doubt anyone tells Kid Rock that he looks like Sam Leccia. I'm just being real, guys.

The photo-shoot/Press-release/ads they are just that. The photo shoot was an absolute blast. I wish it was video-taped because you would have enjoyed it. We did this on Sunday, 3 days ago. it was unplanned, unorganized and unprofessional. It was 4 guys, a camera and a mission. The shoot looks like a $10,000 shoot and all it cost was the beers we drank afterwards. They were taken in my home town of Elizabeth, Pa. I have been fishing under that bridge in one of the shots for over 30 years. The car was a buddy's 53 chevy and the 2 engine prop plane (not a private jet) we basically "borrowed" without permission. One of the guys at the mini airport really hooked us up. We probably broke all kinds of TSA and FAA laws, but we got it done. I really wanted a classic car in the shoot because I am a classic car freak. My dad used to take me to cars shows all the time as a kid, and I have been fortunate to have owned some classics over the years. The plane? Well besides looking totally badass, I live half my life on a plane, so it was only fitting.

I have sacrificed and struggled through this industry. I have missed so many of my 3 kids birthdays, school plays, soccer games, and sadly some hospital visits. Why? To provide brother. My passion runs deeper than the leaf. I have a team at home counting on me, and I am not about to let them down.

I get to do what I love for a living. I make cigars. How cool is that? I do not profess to be "bigger" or "better" than anybody. I'm still a rookie compared to most of the guys in this business, and I respect every single one of them. I still get star struck around some of them. They are my idols. Sure I am different and do things different. That's who I am. I am a nonconformist by nature. I like to do things with my approach to them. I turned my hobby into my life and there is no turning back. I just launched my first company in any format, and I couldn't be more excited. There will be more struggles, more sacrifices and hopefully more reward. I want my 3 kids to be taken care of. I hope that someday my work will help their kids to be taken care of. That's my ultimate goal anyway. My family is the most important thing to me and having the past 6 months to spend with them has been awesome and really helped me realize that even more.

I don't mind dropping my guard and "letting you in" that's who I am. I am not petitioning for your dollar or your friendship, just showing you what I am about. I'm as real as it gets.

I am not going to come on here every time someone makes a post that's not in my favor either. I do listen though. I have been playing with some smaller ring sizes as well. I actually enjoy the smack-talking, and trust me I can dish it out with the best of them.

As smokers we have so many things against us, I would much rather focus on what unites us, rather than what tears us down.

But it's time to get back to work.

Smoke On.


Sam

[Ogre]

I'm going to let the cigars be the judge. I wish him the best of luck in this endeavor and will wait until the actual product comes out before I bash the guy.

I agree, let the cigar speak for itself. :tu:tu

[maninblack]

Amen brother. Amen. Yo,

Just wanted to pass a note and let you in on a few things. I don't feel I have to, but I want to because quite frankly I think some of you have the wrong perception. Like I said before, I don't care if you don't like me, my cigars, or both, but I'd rather you like/not like me for who I am rather than what I am not.

"down to Earth"? I don't know man, I cut my grass and take out the trash just like I would imagine most of you do. I am certainly not made of money or consider myself any sort of celebrity. There has never been paparazzi on my lawn, and I certainly don't get bothered at the grocery store or the mall. I also doubt anyone tells Kid Rock that he looks like Sam Leccia. I'm just being real, guys.

The photo-shoot/Press-release/ads they are just that. The photo shoot was an absolute blast. I wish it was video-taped because you would have enjoyed it. We did this on Sunday, 3 days ago. it was unplanned, unorganized and unprofessional. It was 4 guys, a camera and a mission. The shoot looks like a $10,000 shoot and all it cost was the beers we drank afterwards. They were taken in my home town of Elizabeth, Pa. I have been fishing under that bridge in one of the shots for over 30 years. The car was a buddy's 53 chevy and the 2 engine prop plane (not a private jet) we basically "borrowed" without permission. One of the guys at the mini airport really hooked us up. We probably broke all kinds of TSA and FAA laws, but we got it done. I really wanted a classic car in the shoot because I am a classic car freak. My dad used to take me to cars shows all the time as a kid, and I have been fortunate to have owned some classics over the years. The plane? Well besides looking totally badass, I live half my life on a plane, so it was only fitting.

I have sacrificed and struggled through this industry. I have missed so many of my 3 kids birthdays, school plays, soccer games, and sadly some hospital visits. Why? To provide brother. My passion runs deeper than the leaf. I have a team at home counting on me, and I am not about to let them down.

I get to do what I love for a living. I make cigars. How cool is that? I do not profess to be "bigger" or "better" than anybody. I'm still a rookie compared to most of the guys in this business, and I respect every single one of them. I still get star struck around some of them. They are my idols. Sure I am different and do things different. That's who I am. I am a nonconformist by nature. I like to do things with my approach to them. I turned my hobby into my life and there is no turning back. I just launched my first company in any format, and I couldn't be more excited. There will be more struggles, more sacrifices and hopefully more reward. I want my 3 kids to be taken care of. I hope that someday my work will help their kids to be taken care of. That's my ultimate goal anyway. My family is the most important thing to me and having the past 6 months to spend with them has been awesome and really helped me realize that even more.

I don't mind dropping my guard and "letting you in" that's who I am. I am not petitioning for your dollar or your friendship, just showing you what I am about. I'm as real as it gets.

I am not going to come on here every time someone makes a post that's not in my favor either. I do listen though. I have been playing with some smaller ring sizes as well. I actually enjoy the smack-talking, and trust me I can dish it out with the best of them.

As smokers we have so many things against us, I would much rather focus on what unites us, rather than what tears us down.

But it's time to get back to work.

Smoke On.


Sam

[muhren]

Yo,

Just wanted to pass a note and let you in on a few things. I don't feel I have to, but I want to because quite frankly I think some of you have the wrong perception. Like I said before, I don't care if you don't like me, my cigars, or both, but I'd rather you like/not like me for who I am rather than what I am not.

"down to Earth"? I don't know man, I cut my grass and take out the trash just like I would imagine most of you do. I am certainly not made of money or consider myself any sort of celebrity. There has never been paparazzi on my lawn, and I certainly don't get bothered at the grocery store or the mall. I also doubt anyone tells Kid Rock that he looks like Sam Leccia. I'm just being real, guys.

The photo-shoot/Press-release/ads they are just that. The photo shoot was an absolute blast. I wish it was video-taped because you would have enjoyed it. We did this on Sunday, 3 days ago. it was unplanned, unorganized and unprofessional. It was 4 guys, a camera and a mission. The shoot looks like a $10,000 shoot and all it cost was the beers we drank afterwards. They were taken in my home town of Elizabeth, Pa. I have been fishing under that bridge in one of the shots for over 30 years. The car was a buddy's 53 chevy and the 2 engine prop plane (not a private jet) we basically "borrowed" without permission. One of the guys at the mini airport really hooked us up. We probably broke all kinds of TSA and FAA laws, but we got it done. I really wanted a classic car in the shoot because I am a classic car freak. My dad used to take me to cars shows all the time as a kid, and I have been fortunate to have owned some classics over the years. The plane? Well besides looking totally badass, I live half my life on a plane, so it was only fitting.

I have sacrificed and struggled through this industry. I have missed so many of my 3 kids birthdays, school plays, soccer games, and sadly some hospital visits. Why? To provide brother. My passion runs deeper than the leaf. I have a team at home counting on me, and I am not about to let them down.

I get to do what I love for a living. I make cigars. How cool is that? I do not profess to be "bigger" or "better" than anybody. I'm still a rookie compared to most of the guys in this business, and I respect every single one of them. I still get star struck around some of them. They are my idols. Sure I am different and do things different. That's who I am. I am a nonconformist by nature. I like to do things with my approach to them. I turned my hobby into my life and there is no turning back. I just launched my first company in any format, and I couldn't be more excited. There will be more struggles, more sacrifices and hopefully more reward. I want my 3 kids to be taken care of. I hope that someday my work will help their kids to be taken care of. That's my ultimate goal anyway. My family is the most important thing to me and having the past 6 months to spend with them has been awesome and really helped me realize that even more.

I don't mind dropping my guard and "letting you in" that's who I am. I am not petitioning for your dollar or your friendship, just showing you what I am about. I'm as real as it gets.

I am not going to come on here every time someone makes a post that's not in my favor either. I do listen though. I have been playing with some smaller ring sizes as well. I actually enjoy the smack-talking, and trust me I can dish it out with the best of them.

As smokers we have so many things against us, I would much rather focus on what unites us, rather than what tears us down.

But it's time to get back to work.

Smoke On.


Sam

Well played! :tu

M

[hotreds]

Best of luck to you, Sam!

[OLS]

I have to say too that my first response in this thread was directed at the odd statement about the industry regarding you as
a rock star. I found that a hell of a statement, especially given that you almost certainly had a part in it's wording. But because
I am an inteLLECTUAL blowhard, I thought, "you had better look into this person you are in the process of tearing down with
mockery". The more I read and poked around, the less I could point to as potential rocks to throw. The only thing I could
put my finger on was that you had basically jumped into the cigar business 5 years ago and were now a 'legend". And while
I wanted to have something smart-a$$ to say about it, I continued to find evidence that you had spent that time busting
your a$$ in promoting a product or products you had to apply maximum pressure on to overcome the reactions to their "oddity".
Certainly a max ligero cigar was not "new", but the Nub was different, and it has to be hard to overcome the thinking that this
cigar is over before it's barely moved an inch or two.

Then I see all these pub shots of you taking your rolling table to places and rolling and preaching. If you read my posts in this
thread, it is clear that I was trying to back out of most of the sarcasm i had taken time to write into the record. A lot of effort
for a person who doesn't even smoke NC cigars. What stock do I have in the game? Nothing. So here's to you, I was not
entirely surprised to see you post in this thread; this board is hands down the best web forum dedicated to cigars that can
be found, in my opinion. I am also not surprised to see you have only 7 posts. I think cigar makers and vendors can get
themselves in trouble by being too active or chummy in web forums. Drew in Mexicco comes to mind. But of course, you
are not a known scumbag. But it seems like they can never say the right thing in just the right way, which is fine for a
person like me. But for you, it can have long term and haunting consequences. I'll say that your statement above was
certainly welcome and had what I think was your desired effect. People who tear down your new venture and even your
marketing efforts are usually idiots who have an axe to grind or just like to make fun of everything. I am the latter.
But they were lining up to hack on Domino's new (then) marketing plan of basically saying their pizza sucked and was
going to be better, was a bad idea. It seemed I was the only one that predicted it would work, and very well. Point
being, what the hell do THEY know. My only disclaimer is that I have never had any of your products or any Oliva product.
I won't be buying your NEW product either, but I think you will have no trouble selling all you can roll. Good luck with your
plans, and if you could add my name to the list of people you will be supporting in 20-30 years through this new venture,
I would appreciate it. I will be needing it. And if you ever plan a trip to Memphis, let me know.

[shilala]

His own press release states that the cigar world regards him as a rock star?? I invented a way to wipe
my a$$ 3 times with the same square of TP and you don't see ME making a press release.
Send that idea over to Sam with a suggestion on a filler and binder, and you, too, can be a rock star, my man.

[OLS]

It'll be interesting to see how someone stands on their own when they think they're bigger than Oliva. He seemed to forget about everyone else in the hobby as it become more and more about him. It seems Oliva made it clear that Nub/Cain/Sam weren't bigger than they were and now has to start all over for something he spent the past 3 years of his life building.

I don't know, Duane, I think that's likely inaccurate. Granted, you can be sure there was some
friction there, Sam certainly believes that without Nub and Cain, Oliva would not be anywhere near
where they are today. Anyone that knows anything at all about the last 40+ years of the industry
knows that the Oliva's are close to being the smartest leaf people in the business, but even from
my position far outside the NC circle, I know that it's not how much you know about raw materials, it's
how much people know about your product. Their cigars were good, but not a HUGE name in the market
necessarily. I think that any negative feelings they may both have are FAR outweighed by what they
BOTH learned from the OTHER. I would be willing to bet they were both glad to be rid of each other.
Just like all of the characters I create for my boss' commercials become his property when I leave,
Sam really couldn't take his lines with him. but I am sure he feels like he has everything he needs to be
just as successfull in his new venture. Let's hope he has the LEAF, though. Great ideas, great names and
great reputations don't go INSIDE the wrapper. You need tobacco for that.

[NCRadioMan]

I guess Sam forgets where we came from. He was reliable over there to answer questions for about 2 seconds and then the Nub took off, for some unGodly reason, then he never came back. :rolleyes:

This sums up my interest:

[gbum]

good luck sam,
love nub cameroon,now eagerly waiting cain to arrive...
now you are up to something new...will try once its in market...

from the other part of the world,i wish you all the best... love the photos ..

[replicant_argent]

I would love less hype, smaller RG, and more flavor.

[Mattso3000]

Met Sam at a Cain F Nub event at Burn in MN, after setting up the first thing he did was make the owner take all of the memorabilia off of the pool table so we could shoot a few games. Great guy and I wish him well and will be trying the Debut when it comes out even though I also am not a huge fan of the big RG.

[Subvet642]

I just finished reading Mr. Leccia's gentle, good-natured response to the drubbing he's gotten here, and I gotta say that I think it was a classy move.

[OLS]

I agree on that. It is clear he HAS nuts, but to register and parry a bit with the folks here, that is not without
some risk. The more I read about the guy, the more I like him. If I knew more about the supposed 'abandonment'
of some group of cigar enthusiasts, I might have an opinion, lol. But I just know what I know, next to nothing, and
he seems OK to me. One thing I KNOW he never did, sent someone back a half-smoked cigar in a box of other
cigars. :r THAT guy is an ahole.

[OLS]

And by that I mean I am not surprised that he did not spend too much if any time on the boards after the
launch of his product. Not so much THIS board, but on many of em, you CAN'T log in and get into shizzle
with some of these people, it's a lose-lose sitcho. You can't say the right thing without someone twisting it
all around to suit their schtick. Look at Drew, now we KNOW he is a douche, but he would get into it with
one or another person trying to refute what they said and it always ends up with him having to skulk away
knowing he should have lurked and said nothing. The net is a freaking Battledrome of Death. It takes nuts and
CAREFUL choices of words to survive, and sometimes no one wins.

[sboyajian]

"down to Earth"? I don't know man, I cut my grass and take out the trash just like I would imagine most of you do. I am certainly not made of money or consider myself any sort of celebrity. There has never been paparazzi on my lawn, and I certainly don't get bothered at the grocery store or the mall. I also doubt anyone tells Kid Rock that he looks like Sam Leccia. I'm just being real, guys.

Suzy the doily maker bro..

[sboyajian]

His own press release states that the cigar world regards him as a rock star?? I invented a way to wipe
my a$$ 3 times with the same square of TP and you don't see ME making a press release.

Since you consider yourself an "inteLLECTUAL blowhard", you may wish to re-read the press release. He never says he is a rock star, he says he approaches the cigar industry with the same passion that a rock star would his music.

Reading is good.. comprehension is key.

[Subvet642]

Since you consider yourself an "inteLLECTUAL blowhard", you may wish to re-read the press release. He never says he is a rock star, he says he approaches the cigar industry with the same passion that a rock star would his music.

Reading is good.. comprehension is key.

(Quote from press release):

"The cigar nation embraces Leccia like a rock star for the passion and originality he brings to the business."

:hm

[sboyajian]

Again.. read it carefully. He does not say HE considers himself a rock star. I know a lot of people that refer to Sam as "the rock star"... whether it be his style, the fact that he would sing with the bands on the NUb Live tours, who knows.. but people do see him that way.

[Emjaysmash]

(Quote from press release):

"The cigar nation embraces Leccia like a rock star for the passion and originality he brings to the business."

:hm

:tpd:

And so what if he, or his company, or whoever thinks he is a rockstar OR wants to be percieved as one? Its all marketing! How do you think us college students just getting into the cigar world pick brands? By how cool their marketing is. (Then we wise up and smoke brands we truly like, regardless of marketing).

This is the next generation of cigar makers coming in, and they do things differently.

[NCRadioMan]

Since you consider yourself an "inteLLECTUAL blowhard", you may wish to re-read the press release. He never says he is a rock star, he says he approaches the cigar industry with the same passion that a rock star would his music.

Reading is good.. comprehension is key.

Brad never said that Sam said he was regarded as a rock star. Brad stated the press release said it. Which it did.

Reading is good.. comprehension is key :D

[sboyajian]

Brad never said that Sam said he was regarded as a rock star. Brad stated the press release said it. Which it did.

Reading is good.. comprehension is key :D

When ya got me, ya got me..

[NCRadioMan]

When ya got me, ya got me..

Even a blind squirrel finds a nut every now and again. :D

[replicant_argent]

And the press release is on his site, with which I am sure he has some small control over the content. ;)

Now, give me a small RG tasty cigar that doesn't taste like nothing, or burnt toast, or ass, and I will support whatever alternative/rock lifestyle you choose. Oh yeah, don't try to get rich off me, make them affordable. I might buy a box or two if they don't suck.

edit: oh... and I might not want to wrap my jaw around a bratwurst sized stick to sample your line.

Wait, has anyone done that before?

edit: oh... and I might not want to wrap my jaw around a bratwurst sized stick to sample your line.

[lilwing88]

Everyone's definition of "rockstar" varies.......

http://i812.photobucket.com/albums/zz47/Kriegg/weirdparty.jpg

[CigarNut]

And the press release is on his site, with which I am sure he has some small control over the content. ;)

Now, give me a small RG tasty cigar that doesn't taste like nothing, or burnt toast, or ass, and I will support whatever alternative/rock lifestyle you choose. Oh yeah, don't try to get rich off me, make them affordable. I might buy a box or two if they don't suck.

edit: oh... and I might not want to wrap my jaw around a bratwurst sized stick to sample your line.

Wait, has anyone done that before?

edit: oh... and I might not want to wrap my jaw around a bratwurst sized stick to sample your line.Pete, maybe you're not in the demographic he is marketing to... :)

[Da Klugs]

Best wishes on the new venture. It's a great thing to have passionate people promoting the hobby through generating excitement and interest in new products.

Never smoked one of Sams cigars and said... hey that is really awful, never. Well constructed smokes with quality tobacco = a quality product that people get value from. Many of us are not large RG fans so it's easy to make a bit of fun over the ... ahem, "marketing license" taken with sweet spots, etc. But we exist in a world where there are truly awful cigars promoted as "deals etc" that folks get burned on over and over again, (think the CI catalog stuff) and that is not the case with these cigars.

Again, best wishes on the new venture Sam and ..... if you ever move to Cuba I'm down for the first shipments. :)

[OLS]

you may wish to re-read the press release. He never says he is a rock star, he says he approaches the cigar industry with the same passion that a rock star would his music.

Reading is good.. comprehension is key.
What does THIS say, man??

The cigar nation embraces Leccia like a rock star for the passion and originality he brings to the business.

And where ANYWHERE did I say that he said that himself?? I think I DID say that "I bet he had a hand in crafting
the words". At least he READ it before they released it, anyway. But as far as making a separate post just to
tell me "reading is good, but comprehension is the key", you should at least be able to quote me accurately.
--edit--------
I remember when I had MY first beer.

[OLS]

DANG 15 minute time frame on edits....I see that someone already made my point.

MAN, I wish I had a dollar for everytime I did what sboyajian just did, lol.

And I already made my peace with Mr. Leccia. I ate all the crow I served up. I still think the line is
funny though, hehe.....rock star. But maybe he IS a rock star. He's more exciting than Avo Uvezian.

I move that the 15 minute time frame on edits be extended to 20, is there a second?

[icehog3]

Who are the "cigar nation"?

[Skywalker]

DANG 15 minute time frame on edits....I see that someone already made my point.

MAN, I wish I had a dollar for everytime I did what sboyajian just did, lol.

And I already made my peace with Mr. Leccia. I ate all the crow I served up. I still think the line is
funny though, hehe.....rock star. But maybe he IS a rock star. He's more exciting than Avo Uvezian.

I move that the 15 minute time frame on edits be extended to 20, is there a second?

I second that motion Brad, especially on your behalf!:tu

That extra 5 seconds could mean the different between the foot being in your mouth or in your a$$!:D

[OLS]

Boy howdy, you're right, but if the time limit were extended, you wouldn't be able toread HALF the embarassing
stuff from me that you get to now.

[Skywalker]

Boy howdy, you're right, but if the time limit were extended, you wouldn't be able toread HALF the embarassing
stuff from me that you get to now.

True that!

And this place wouldn't be as fun!!!:D

[Bruins Fan]

Good luck Sam :tu

[lilwing88]

All BS aside, let's talk about the smokes.......

Sam, is there any more you can tell us about the smokes? Tobacco types? Flavor notes? Strength? Where are they made? Details! Details!

[loki]

just heard an interview sam did about this cigar and it sounds great, but the size just doesn't turn me on

[neoflex]

I am sure I can't edit my post, so just to be clear again, I have no argument against
Mr. Leccia. I like the way he goes out and rolls his own cigars and you can tell that
with him, he seems to take the love of the business manifested in say, Jon Drew,
but to a much more personal level. I am sure that Drew can roll a cigar, but to take
your act on the road and roll up your cigart, and do it for 3 straight years with very
little break, I DO admire his intensity and apparent love of the business. Maybe a cat
like that DOES need to break loose. I am sure he learned a $hi+load from the Olivas.

I KNOW J. Drew has been on long tours, but to ME, these were cocktail parties for him.
I was surprised to see that Leccia mostly sat down and rolled while he did HIS talking.
These two major upstarts DO seem to represent a new era of cigars and cigar marketing.

I am getting into this thread late in the game and it says a lot about Sam to jump in and get involved. As mentioned before that can be a dangerous move for a Blender/Manufacturer or Vendor. Written word can be taken the wrong way easy and a thread can go downhill fast.
OLS with your statement above I think you have to compare apples to apples. Jonathan Drew has been in the industry a long time, much longer than Sam and has created a whole different segment of the industry with the Acid line. Not a fan of Acid myself but they do sell very well and the Liga line is phenomenal and they are doing interesting things with the blends in that line too. But with your statement if you read some of the stories of Jonathan Drews career he definitely put in his time and hard work. He is well established now and gets to enjoy the fruits of his labor rather than be out on a whirlwind tour every second of his life unlike Sam who is still in the infancy of his Cigar career. Sorry I just had to chime in with that statement as I think Jonathon is as genuine in the industry as it gets and has already put in his blood,sweat and tears and is now getting to enjoy his hard work a little more so the comparison wasn't fair in my opinion. But you know what they say about opinions right?:D:r

[Sherlockholms]

Anybody else think he looks like Kid Rock?

Bawitdaba da bang a dang diggy diggy diggy

HAHA, I was thinking that when I first looked at his website. I have never heard of this guy up until now.

[808]

Yo,

(Sam says a lot of down to earth stuff on page 3)

Smoke On.


Sam


Rock on Sam. Good on ya. :banger

It's all about the love of the leaf and sharing that love.

[shilala]

Who are the "cigar nation"?
That's me and Brad.

[OLS]

I understand your point, John, and I agree. I think if I re-read my statement I will see though that what I meant
to say is that one looks like he is doing it one way and one is doing it the other way. Not a comparison of their
careers, but of their events. I was not on the train then and am not now, so the products and how they
marketed them live MAY have been the same, but I was saying one seems to be rollin em up and the other is
simply appearing as a cigar-lebrity. Both are obviously giving away stuff. However your point makes me think,
JDrew could not have stood on that celebrity early on, so putting in the work is certainly a given in the early
Drew career. I just don't know if he ever sat down and started rolling cigars for the crowd. I just don't KNOW.

[neoflex]

I understand your point, John, and I agree. I think if I re-read my statement I will see though that what I meant
to say is that one looks like he is doing it one way and one is doing it the other way. Not a comparison of their
careers, but of their events. I was not on the train then and am not now, so the products and how they
marketed them live MAY have been the same, but I was saying one seems to be rollin em up and the other is
simply appearing as a cigar-lebrity. Both are obviously giving away stuff. However your point makes me think,
JDrew could not have stood on that celebrity early on, so putting in the work is certainly a given in the early
Drew career. I just don't know if he ever sat down and started rolling cigars for the crowd. I just don't KNOW.

I see what your saying on the rolling aspect. Now, the question is, in todays day and age of Cigar Celebrities who would we consider the Brittany Spears and Paris Hilton of the industry?????:r

[808]

It's one thing to know how to roll leaves and another to know how to blend them. Both an art

[NCRadioMan]

All BS aside, let's talk about the smokes.......

Sam, is there any more you can tell us about the smokes? Tobacco types? Flavor notes? Strength? Where are they made? Details! Details!

You don't think you will get answers do you? Once upon a time, these Mods set up a forum just for Sam. After much complaining about the waiting period to post, he posted a few times then he never returned to answer anything. People were asking many questions to nothing but silence.

Experience tells me that will be the case here.

If not, I will be very, very surprised.

[OLS]

I am glad you fleshed out that story a bit, being perpetually head up the butt, I miss a lot of these little stories.
I never knew what you were talking about the other day.

By the way, I made you a Danzig avatar in my avatar thread.

[NCRadioMan]

By the way, I made you a Danzig avatar in my avatar thread.

I have them saved for future use. ;)

Fangs mang! :tu

[lilwing88]

You don't think you will get answers do you? Once upon a time, these Mods set up a forum just for Sam. After much complaining about the waiting period to post, he posted a few times then he never returned to answer anything. People were asking many questions to nothing but silence.

Experience tells me that will be the case here.

If not, I will be very, very surprised.

I'm not too optimistic about him answering my questions..... Just thought I'd give it a shot. No biggie.

[Sam Leccia]

All BS aside, let's talk about the smokes.......

Sam, is there any more you can tell us about the smokes? Tobacco types? Flavor notes? Strength? Where are they made? Details! Details!

The wrapper is a dark oily Habano wrapper grown in Ecuador. The blend consists of Nicaragua, Honduras, and Santo Domingo tobaccos.

The cigar is made in Honduras.

I would call the blend a medium to full with a nice draw, very flavorful with an incredible aroma and burns a chalk white ash.

I definitely would say it has a coffee hint to it with some hints of nut...like almond. There is a rawness to it that I enjoy the most. They age very well making the wrapper even more oily.

I love it. I hope you will to!



I apologize for not answering sooner...As you can imagine I have been swamped with getting this company off the ground.



(thanks Nofeardiver, for the private message on responding to this question)

[LasciviousXXX]

Thank you for the information Sam. Much appreciated :tu

[T.G]

Thanks for the info Sam. Have you set a release date yet?

[Sam Leccia]

Thanks for the info Sam. Have you set a release date yet?

I haven't set an exact date. Release dates can be tricky.

I do plan on shipping this summer though. It's looking like end of July.

[Don Fernando]

I take all of the praise and criticism both to heart and in stride.

well, take my critisism: try to make cigars with a normal RG. Anything over 55 sucks.

[lilwing88]

The wrapper is a dark oily Habano wrapper grown in Ecuador. The blend consists of Nicaragua, Honduras, and Santo Domingo tobaccos.

The cigar is made in Honduras.

I would call the blend a medium to full with a nice draw, very flavorful with an incredible aroma and burns a chalk white ash.

I definitely would say it has a coffee hint to it with some hints of nut...like almond. There is a rawness to it that I enjoy the most. They age very well making the wrapper even more oily.

I love it. I hope you will to!



I apologize for not answering sooner...As you can imagine I have been swamped with getting this company off the ground.



(thanks Nofeardiver, for the private message on responding to this question)

Thanks for the info, Sam. Sounds awesome. Can't wait to try one!

[weak_link]

Dear Sam,

I love coronas and smaller rg cigars.

Why do you hate me?

Love

W_L

[Sam Leccia]

well, take my critisism: try to make cigars with a normal RG. Anything over 55 sucks.

The Debut Torpedo is a traditional sized 6 1/2 X 52.

[Sam Leccia]

Dear Sam,

I love coronas and smaller rg cigars.

Why do you hate me?

Love

W_L

LOL

I don't hate you...I love you so much that I want to give you MORE!


ok, maybe I just hate you.

Just kidding bro...

[T.G]

:r:r:r

BTW - thanks for the info on approximate release dates.

[maninblack]

I for one love big ring gauges and they tend to be selling quite well. If not, no one would be making them. Can't wait to try these Sam.Good luck.

[NCRadioMan]

Color me surprised! :D

[Sam Leccia]

Color me surprised! :D

Question for you:

why NC radioman?

reason I ask because i was a radioman in the Navy.

[OLS]

He has the golden voice. And the titanium hip.

[Skywalker]

He has the golden voice. And the titanium hip.

Think about it Brad. You only have 15 minutes to change your post!:hm

[Gophernut]

I for one love big ring gauges and they tend to be selling quite well. If not, no one would be making them. Can't wait to try these Sam.Good luck.

I agree. I like the big rg too. Not sure why, but I enjoy em. The smaller ring gauge just doesn't seem like I'm smoking a cigar. Maybe it just feels too close to a cigarette. :sh

[neoflex]

I for one love big ring gauges and they tend to be selling quite well. If not, no one would be making them. Can't wait to try these Sam.Good luck.

Hmmm, Kevin likes a big thick stick in his mouth. Good to know.:r:D J/K.

[maninblack]

Ha ha ha John. I hate cigarettes and corona's feel too much like smoking a cig.

[Gophernut]

Hmmm, Kevin likes a big thick stick in his mouth. Good to know.:r:D J/K.

How could this possibly be good to know??? :r:r

[T.G]

Ha ha ha John. I hate cigarettes and corona's feel too much like smoking a cig.

Jezus, what kind of cigarettes were you smoking that were 5/8" in diameter?

http://27.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_l1mb63jKep1qbb5axo1_500.jpg


;)

[maninblack]

I plead the fifth. College was a haze.

[CoreyD]

The wrapper is a dark oily Habano wrapper grown in Ecuador. The blend consists of Nicaragua, Honduras, and Santo Domingo tobaccos.

The cigar is made in Honduras.

I would call the blend a medium to full with a nice draw, very flavorful with an incredible aroma and burns a chalk white ash.

I definitely would say it has a coffee hint to it with some hints of nut...like almond. There is a rawness to it that I enjoy the most. They age very well making the wrapper even more oily.


Sounds like a good mix Sam ,can I call you Sam or Would you prefer Mr. L . Can't wait to put this to my still young pallet or even sit and chat about the process and reason of self selection, this hobby has me hooked on all aspects and I crave knowledge my brother. hehe

[jsnake]

Very excited and anxious to smoke this new offering from Sam. I wish you the best.

[Ranger_B]

I can not wait for some smaller ring gauge smokes to come out from Sam. As soon as you drop to a 52 or smaller Ill be the first in line to give it a try.

[Sam Leccia]

Sounds like a good mix Sam ,can I call you Sam or Would you prefer Mr. L . Can't wait to put this to my still young pallet or even sit and chat about the process and reason of self selection, this hobby has me hooked on all aspects and I crave knowledge my brother. hehe

Sam works brother.

[Sam Leccia]

I can not wait for some smaller ring gauge smokes to come out from Sam. As soon as you drop to a 52 or smaller Ill be the first in line to give it a try.

Your in Luck!

The torpedo size in the Debut is a 6 1/2 X 52!


Now get in that line! <---just kidding.

[Bill86]

Jezus, what kind of cigarettes were you smoking that were 5/8" in diameter?

http://27.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_l1mb63jKep1qbb5axo1_500.jpg


;)

:r Are we sure that is tobacco in there?

[nofeardiver]

(thanks Nofeardiver, for the private message on responding to this question)

Anytime Bro!


Your in Luck!

The torpedo size in the Debut is a 6 1/2 X 52!


Now get in that line! <---just kidding.

man cant wait to pick these up, you know i will be to a couple events as well... cant wait...

[Ranger_B]

Your in Luck!

The torpedo size in the Debut is a 6 1/2 X 52!


Now get in that line! <---just kidding.

Perfect I will track one down. Cant wait.

[elderboy02]

Sam, any update on these cigars?

[Sam Leccia]

I appreciate your question man. I do.

I didn't get on here to talk about me, just wanted to talk cigars. I miss that.

To keep it short, it's a mess...I've been trying to take the high road in this ordeal by being quiet, and at least for now, I would rather keep it that way.

I hope you understand.

[elderboy02]

I appreciate your question man. I do.

I didn't get on here to talk about me, just wanted to talk cigars. I miss that.

To keep it short, it's a mess...I've been trying to take the high road in this ordeal by being quiet, and at least for now, I would rather keep it that way.

I hope you understand.

Gotcha. I just didn't know if these were a one shop exclusive and maybe I missed the boat on them.

I didn't know they were never produced.

Good luck Sam! :tu

[Sam Leccia]

Gotcha. I just didn't know if these were a one shop exclusive and maybe I missed the boat on them.

I didn't know they were never produced.

Good luck Sam! :tu

They were produced. I'm just tied up in a legal battle with Oliva.

[CoreyD]

They were produced. I'm just tied up in a legal battle with Oliva.
CoreyD blends with teachings by Sam Leccia cigars and him getting the proceeds in appreciation from Corey. has a ring to it....Don't you remember that day we were in the field and we mass produced them? and oliva thought you made them but you just sat and watched me but thought theyd market better with your name.
On a factual note and Interesting thing is my cigars that I have been dabbling with may have 6 month sitting in my cooler time marinating before I taste these frozen by tyranny cigars is the sad part... Prayers out Sam. Guess this is a great lesson in the business and who knows maybe its meant to be waited on and allow time to rest and develop into something more than what was the first initial creation.

[maninblack]

CoreyD blends with teachings by Sam Leccia cigars and him getting the proceeds in appreciation from Corey. has a ring to it....Don't you remember that day we were in the field and we mass produced them? and oliva thought you made them but you just sat and watched me but thought theyd market better with your name.
On a factual note and Interesting thing is my cigars that I have been dabbling with may have 6 month sitting in my cooler time marinating before I taste these frozen by tyranny cigars is the sad part... Prayers out Sam. Guess this is a great lesson in the business and who knows maybe its meant to be waited on and allow time to rest and develop into something more than what was the first initial creation.

What the heck are you smoking Corey?

[elderboy02]

What the heck are you smoking Corey?

I'm glad I am not the only one that didn't understand his post at all.

[maninblack]

I'm glad I am not the only one that didn't understand his post at all.

I almost broke out my bong to get a better understanding. Almost. :r

[CoreyD]

I almost broke out my bong to get a better understanding. Almost. :r
Haha
Its been a long work weekend, at least I know what I meant . Isn't the forums here to entertain me as well hehe.

[pnoon]

Haha
Its been a long work weekend, at least I know what I meant . Isn't the forums here to entertain me as well hehe.
Absolutely. But you could spare us the brain damage and just send yourself a PM. ;)
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[Doctorossi]

Absolutely. But you could spare us the brain damage and just send yourself a PM. ;)
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:r

[T.G]

CoreyD blends with teachings by Sam Leccia cigars and him getting the proceeds in appreciation from Corey. has a ring to it....Don't you remember that day we were in the field and we mass produced them? and oliva thought you made them but you just sat and watched me but thought theyd market better with your name.
On a factual note and Interesting thing is my cigars that I have been dabbling with may have 6 month sitting in my cooler time marinating before I taste these frozen by tyranny cigars is the sad part... Prayers out Sam. Guess this is a great lesson in the business and who knows maybe its meant to be waited on and allow time to rest and develop into something more than what was the first initial creation.


I picked the wrong week to stop sniffing glue....

[SteelCityBoy]

I just got caught up on this entire thread...it caught my eye because I may have the opportunity to herf with Sam at some point back in my hometown of Pittsburgh in the near future...

Being so relatively new to the cigar world it would be completely ignorant of me to put any type of thought out on Sam or his cigar line up. I just know one thing from my reading around here so far and that's to smoke what you like and if you like it...well then keep on smoking it, regardless of how others feel it or view it.

Sam, I honestly had no idea who you were when you posted about maybe herfing in Pittsburgh. A good friend of mine who is here on CA actually shot me a PM and had to inform me...I can tell you that I like smoking cigars...I like smoking cigars I like...and I like meeting great people that smoke cigars.

I hope to have the opportunity to herf with you regardless of who you were, who you are, or who you will become...

I wish you the best and hope to meet you sometime in the near future...

[Sam Leccia]

Thanks Ken. I look forward to it too.

[RevSmoke]

CoreyD blends with teachings by Sam Leccia cigars and him getting the proceeds in appreciation from Corey. has a ring to it....Don't you remember that day we were in the field and we mass produced them? and oliva thought you made them but you just sat and watched me but thought theyd market better with your name.
On a factual note and Interesting thing is my cigars that I have been dabbling with may have 6 month sitting in my cooler time marinating before I taste these frozen by tyranny cigars is the sad part... Prayers out Sam. Guess this is a great lesson in the business and who knows maybe its meant to be waited on and allow time to rest and develop into something more than what was the first initial creation.

Wow, ADHD strikes again?

Dude, when you write, expect that those reading what you wrote do not know what your private thoughts are. When you are done writing your reply to a post, and before hitting "submit reply," read what you wrote to make sure that it will make sense to everybody who reads it.

Can I try to translate for all?
(paragraph 1) Corey is trying to come up with an excuse for Sam in order to get out of the legal struggles. He's saying that it was really Corey who blended and rolled the new cigars, Sam put his name on them. (I believe it was an attempt at humor)

(paragraph 2) Corey really has been rolling his own cigars. Some of them are presently sitting in a cooler, where he will leave them to age for 6 months. He's then tries to tie that aging wait (he wants to smoke them now but has to wait out the experiment) to Sam's situation with a comment that he's sad some "tyranny" has "frozen" the cigars that Sam was to release.

(still para. 2, but should have been a new paragraph) He's offering prayers of support to Sam.

(still para. 2, but should have been another new paragraph) Maybe there's a lesson to be learned? Maybe after the wait, this will turn out even better outcome than would have happened if this situation hadn't developed.

Haha
Its been a long work weekend, at least I know what I meant . Isn't the forums here to entertain me as well hehe.

This is an easy fix. "Aren't the forums here to entertain me as well hehe?"

Now, after reading what I have written, I'm wondering if I should have just left it alone? (at this point I am re-reading and wondering if I should hit "submit reply"?)

Well, Corey's a buddy - I'm not going to leave him there hanging. Let's add another post people can quizically ponder.

Peace of the Lord be with you.

[maninblack]

I'm still confused Rev. But it really doesn't take much for that to happen.

[mase]

Wow, ADHD strikes again?

Dude, when you write, expect that those reading what you wrote do not know what your private thoughts are. When you are done writing your reply to a post, and before hitting "submit reply," read what you wrote to make sure that it will make sense to everybody who reads it.

Can I try to translate for all?
(paragraph 1) Corey is trying to come up with an excuse for Sam in order to get out of the legal struggles. He's saying that it was really Corey who blended and rolled the new cigars, Sam put his name on them. (I believe it was an attempt at humor)

(paragraph 2) Corey really has been rolling his own cigars. Some of them are presently sitting in a cooler, where he will leave them to age for 6 months. He's then tries to tie that aging wait (he wants to smoke them now but has to wait out the experiment) to Sam's situation with a comment that he's sad some "tyranny" has "frozen" the cigars that Sam was to release.

(still para. 2, but should have been a new paragraph) He's offering prayers of support to Sam.

(still para. 2, but should have been another new paragraph) Maybe there's a lesson to be learned? Maybe after the wait, this will turn out even better outcome than would have happened if this situation hadn't developed.



This is an easy fix. "Aren't the forums here to entertain me as well hehe?"

Now, after reading what I have written, I'm wondering if I should have just left it alone? (at this point I am re-reading and wondering if I should hit "submit reply"?)

Well, Corey's a buddy - I'm not going to leave him there hanging. Let's add another post people can quizically ponder.

Peace of the Lord be with you.

I loved the translation, Rev. Intentionally or unintentionally, it was funny.

[NCRadioMan]

This is an easy fix.

Not so sure about that. :r

[icehog3]

Dude, when you write, expect that those reading what you wrote do not know what your private thoughts are. When you are done writing your reply to a post, and before hitting "submit reply," read what you wrote to make sure that it will make sense to everybody who reads it.



Or, as Steve Martin put it in "Planes, Trains and Automobiles:

You know when you're telling these little stories? Here's a good idea: have a point. It makes it so much more interesting for the listener.


;) :r

[GWN]

Still lost, but certainly entertained. Been a long already here as well. :)
Best of luck, Sam. Hope things are resolved soon and you can get back in the game. Folks up here in the Great White North are looking forward to your new blend as much as our southern brothers and sisters.
Merry Christmas to you and yours.

[whodeeni]

This is gonna be my new tag line!:r:r:r:r:r

CoreyD blends with teachings by Sam Leccia cigars and him getting the proceeds in appreciation from Corey. has a ring to it....Don't you remember that day we were in the field and we mass produced them? and oliva thought you made them but you just sat and watched me but thought theyd market better with your name.
On a factual note and Interesting thing is my cigars that I have been dabbling with may have 6 month sitting in my cooler time marinating before I taste these frozen by tyranny cigars is the sad part... Prayers out Sam. Guess this is a great lesson in the business and who knows maybe its meant to be waited on and allow time to rest and develop into something more than what was the first initial creation.

[CoreyD]

I love Todd's translation. He hit it dead on. I may have to ask him to travel with me . People still look at me weird.