Castro Resigns ?? What Could This Mean?

[sammyboy405]

So According to this Article Castro has Resigned. And the Article goes on to say that you can sell private items now and such.

So you think this means maybe sometime the Embargo could be lifted?

http://www.businessinsider.com/castro-resigns-cuba-2011-4

Im a little hesitant to think this is all true.. Because it all sounds too good to be true? All the Sudden Cuba will be a Somewhat Free Country?? I dont think they will ever be Totally free.. but hey this is a start if its true.

[688sonarmen]

:r ;s no

[Blueface]

Man is gradually changing his ways?

Sure, why not?
Seems hell is inevitable and it must be now getting to him to know that he is so darn close to visiting the Devil.

May he rot in hell.

Remind me to express how I really feel.:D

[massphatness]

Can I buy Cuban cigars now?

[bvilchez]

Can I buy Cuban cigars now?

yup:noon

[jjirons69]

Can I buy Cuban cigars now?

Only in glass-topped boxes, though.

[Whee]

Can I buy Cuban cigars now?
As long as they don't layover in Chicago....:r

[Blueface]

Can I buy Cuban cigars now?

You can buy me if you want.:r

[CigarNut]

Can I buy Cuban cigars now?I have some real good ones to sell you Vin -- It's the real thing!

Just give me a little warning so I can go out and collect some recycled "tobacco" from my friends' stable, er tobacco warehouse...

[OLS]

It means the same thing it always means......absolutely nothing.

[icehog3]

I like chili.

[T.G]

I like chili.

Nicaraguan chili is the bestest!

[massphatness]

You know what's good? Mofongo!

OH.

MY.

GOD!

[bvilchez]

You know what's good? Mofongo!

OH.

MY.

GOD!

Wife made some of that last night:banger

[icehog3]

You know what's good? Mofongo!

OH.

MY.

GOD!

Followed by chocolate cannolis?

[markem]

I like chili.

I knew you reminded me of someone. Have a cigar!

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[Blueface]

You know what's good? Mofongo!

OH.

MY.

GOD!

Great Puerto Rican dish.
Anything with plaintain is always good.

That brings up a point?
Do you prefer Cuban plantain, v. Puerto Rican, v. Central American, v. South American?
Do we even bring in all of the Antilles as they too have plantain?
I am sure the Jamaicans want a part of this discussion too.
Wow!
What a mess to sort out.

[massphatness]

Followed by chocolate cannolis?

You know what I love about me?

I live close to Moe.
:noon:noon:noon

[T.G]

Great Puerto Rican dish.
Anything with plaintain is always good.

That brings up a point?
Do you prefer Cuban plantain, v. Puerto Rican, v. Central American, v. South American?
Do we even bring in all of the Antilles as they too have plantain?
I am sure the Jamaicans want a part of this discussion too.
Wow!
What a mess to sort out.

Not to mention the debate over what the proper aging time is for a plantain after harvesting. 3 days? 3 weeks?

[replicant_argent]

Followed by chocolate cannolis?

that was a mean thing to say.

[macsauce13]

OK, a real question...maybe ignorant, but pertinent none the less.

Is there any real reason to stock up now before prices skyrocket if that GD embargo is lifted?

I'm serious. I can barely afford them now, and not at all if prices go up.

[landhoney]

You know what's good? Mofongo!

OH.

MY.

GOD!

:rolleyes: Not Cuban.

But thanks for the reminder........................ I owe ya one :D

[icehog3]

That brings up a point?
Do you prefer Cuban plantain, v. Puerto Rican, v. Central American, v. South American?
Do we even bring in all of the Antilles as they too have plantain?
I am sure the Jamaicans want a part of this discussion too.
Wow!
What a mess to sort out.

I had Jamaican plantains this weekend, and they will scrumpdilicious.

You know what I love about me?

I live close to Moe.
:noon

You know what I like about you right now? :)

Not a GD thing. ;) :r

that was a mean thing to say.

Chocolate cannolis. There, I'm a sadist. ;)

OK, a real question...maybe ignorant, but pertinent none the less.

Is there any real reason to stock up now before prices skyrocket if that GD embargo is lifted?

I'm serious. I can barely afford them now, and not at all if prices go up.

I would bet a month's salary prices will go up if the embargo ends.

I would not make the same bet that it will happen anytime soon.

[68TriShield]

Is there any real reason to stock up now before prices skyrocket if that GD embargo is lifted?






I would bet a month's salary prices will go up if the embargo ends.



That and quality I think would nosedive due to increased demand from the U.S. market.

[N2 GOLD]

That and quality I think would nosedive due to increased demand from the U.S. market.

Supply and demand are two great examples on how & why greed will drive up the price & quality to $H!T... :td

[Bill86]

I'm hoping the embargo doesn't get lifted, people forget about the HUGE price increase it would cause.

[T.G]

That and quality I think would nosedive due to increased demand from the U.S. market.

Unless it's inadvertent, I can't see that happening.

I can see them rapidly ramping up manufacturing to meet the demand, but if in the process there is a lowering of the quality of that supply to get more cigars out there, they would turn off a large part of an entire possible customer base because they would be producing poorly made cigars. Couple that with it's almost a given that vendors will ramp up the prices regardless, you've got a combo for losing an entire market segment almost instantly. Once the novelty wears off, the populous won't pay a high price for a tent peg more than two or three times before going back to their Macanudos and NC whatevers that don't have the quality problems. If there is reduced quality, there will be a reduced demand and prices will have to follow suite.

By keeping supply tight and quality at present levels, they can ramp the prices through the roof, and if they don't, law of supply and demand will do it for them.

Does HSA, or more accurately, Imperial Tobacco, see this possibility? I don't know.

:2

[gnukfu]

Can I buy Cuban cigars now?

No you can't Vin. It is against the law still. I will tell you when it is legal to buy Cuban cigars. Until then you have to smoke the crap you have in your coolers and humidors. :banger

[Gophernut]

Well hopefully it will give us an option for legally purchasing CC's. I have always wanted to see the island also, so US tourism would probably bring some money into the economy.

[Trent0341]

I agree with those saying prices would sky rocket and quality would go to hell. I can imagine hoards of non cigar smokers streaming into my local B&M demanding a "cuban". That being said I would much rather the price went up than the quality went down. Quality is always the most important thing to me.

[massphatness]

No you can't Vin. It is against the law still. I will tell you when it is legal to buy Cuban cigars. Until then you have to smoke the crap you have in your coolers and humidors. :banger

who are you think you are?

[massphatness]

You know what I like about you right now? :)

Not a GD thing. ;) :rd


This makes me a tiny bit sad

:sad

[ir13]

Great Puerto Rican dish.
Anything with plaintain is always good.

That brings up a point?
Do you prefer Cuban plantain, v. Puerto Rican, v. Central American, v. South American?
Do we even bring in all of the Antilles as they too have plantain?
I am sure the Jamaicans want a part of this discussion too.
Wow!
What a mess to sort out.

Doesnt matter origin, the ones from the internet eat/taste better :D

[awsmith4]

Doesnt matter origin, the ones from the internet eat/taste better :D

If they don't have cellophane

[sammyboy405]

I'm hoping the embargo doesn't get lifted, people forget about the HUGE price increase it would cause.

Thats what I was afraid of :(

[druturn]

I can see them rapidly ramping up manufacturing to meet the demand, but if in the process there is a lowering of the quality of that supply to get more cigars out there, they would turn off a large part of an entire possible customer base because they would be producing poorly made cigars. Couple that with it's almost a given that vendors will ramp up the prices regardless, you've got a combo for losing an entire market segment almost instantly. Once the novelty wears off, the populous won't pay a high price for a tent peg more than two or three times before going back to their Macanudos and NC whatevers that don't have the quality problems. If there is reduced quality, there will be a reduced demand and prices will have to follow suite.

Although I agree with you on almost everything here, I do hesitate to agree that the demand will drop dramatically because of lower quality cigars. I can assure you that there are enough douche bags out there who are willing to drop serious cash on these sticks simply because Cubans would now be the "in" thing to smoke and it would impress their colleagues and friends. Just because they are crap sticks does not mean that the palates of these idiots would become more refined. Although the purchases of these idiots would probably not be enough to create a large demand, it may keep the demand afloat for a few years at least until they realize their foolishness. Just my :2

[icehog3]

This makes me a tiny bit sad

:sad

You know I love you, Vin! :wo

[sam a]

Great Puerto Rican dish.
Anything with plaintain is always good.

That brings up a point?
Do you prefer Cuban plantain, v. Puerto Rican, v. Central American, v. South American?
Do we even bring in all of the Antilles as they too have plantain?
I am sure the Jamaicans want a part of this discussion too.
Wow!
What a mess to sort out.

i am partial to Nigerian plantains... it's all about the dodo :tu

[68TriShield]

Unless it's inadvertent, I can't see that happening.

Well that's my story and I'm sticking to it.

[mosesbotbol]

Who's to say the new vanguard is not even more radical than an aged Fidel? There will be some reforms, but don't dust of the US Passport just yet. Cuba may be able to hold their socialist ideology and yet make some needed reforms.

This could be good news for the Cuban people. I worry that radical change could do just as much harm as doing little. We have seen up and down Latin America what happens when there’s revolution. Cubans aren't simple villagers like in Central America; they're more educated than Americans.

[replicant_argent]

Just like China has improved.

[DBall]

I'm hoping the embargo doesn't get lifted, people forget about the HUGE price increase it would cause.

Not only that, but fakes would be even MORE rampant... there's a lot of crap cigars sitting on shelves that, with the help of a few bands and a box, would fly off shelves at huge markups from unscrupulous shops preying on the "unwashed masses". :2

[Wanger]

My take: Embargo ends...demand skyrockets ("CCs are the bestest thing out there")...price goes up as availability goes down of real CCs (due to all the people saying "CCs are the bestest" buying them all)...as availability drops, fakes skyrocket...sheeple saying "CCs are the bestest" continue to buy them, being influenced by the fact that "CCs are the bestest"...those of us who may know a little more about CCs get screwed because the country won't be able to keep up with demand (and what happens if there's another bad hurricane season?).

There are a LOT of people out there that think any CC is an awesome stick. They will buy what they can and smoke them before they are ready, or when they are "sick". But they will STILL say they're the best thing out there, because that's what they've been told for YEARS, and it simply "must be true". There are a lot of people who smoke crappy cigars and say they're great. Personally, my taste is more specific, but I can see a lot of people going for Cohibas and Montes if/when the embargo is finally lifted. Those are the most well known brands out of Cuba, IMO. But of the ones I may or may not have been given that originate from that country, I'd think that some of the lesser known brands like Cuaba, and some of the "non-American" type cigars (i.e. smaller and smaller ring gauge, like Partagas Shorts) would be less sought after.

As for what an end to the embargo would mena for the people of the island, I think it COULD be huge (not that it WOULD be, but COULD be). There would have to be a major shift in the wealth structure of the country. Private enterprise would have to be reinstated. If that did happen, I can see some major US tourism $ going there. The big hotel chains would probably swoop in and try to buy up the prime property and build monstrous hotels. What I'd love to see is some of the old school places bought and returned to their former glory. Some of the classic places that you read about from the 40s and 50s. An influx of US tourism dollars would be HUGE for the country, as it would become THE place to go if all that happened. I know I'd love to visit the country at some point in my life. :)

This is just my :2.

[mosesbotbol]

Wow, is whether cigars are going to more expensive is all that you guys care about in Cuba? There's suffering and inhumanity that is more important to me than any cigar. As much as Cuba has achieved, it has come at dear to cost to many. Hopefully, Cuba will find a happy balance of ideology along with self determination and freedom.

[Wanger]

Wow, is whether cigars are going to more expensive is all that you guys care about in Cuba? There's suffering and inhumanity that is more important to me than any cigar. As much as Cuba has achieved, it has come at dear to cost to many. Hopefully, Cuba will find a happy balance of ideology along with self determination and freedom.

Obviously not, but this is a cigar board, so the predominant discussion will be about what brought us all here...cigars.

[mosesbotbol]

Obviously not, but this is a cigar board, so the predominant discussion will be about what brought us all here...cigars.

I wouldn't say "obviously not" considering the posts in this thread.

[Skywalker]

Could mean Castro has less than a week to live???:sh

[Wanger]

I wouldn't say "obviously not" considering the posts in this thread.

I understand what you're saying, but to me personally, that's a given. We hear what it's like there, about all the corruption and the horrible conditions that the people there have to live with, but very few of us have actually been there, or can actually go there right now and say that they've seen it. Make sense?

[Stephen]

Wow, is whether cigars are going to more expensive is all that you guys care about in Cuba? There's suffering and inhumanity that is more important to me than any cigar. As much as Cuba has achieved, it has come at dear to cost to many. Hopefully, Cuba will find a happy balance of ideology along with self determination and freedom.
Obviously not, but this is a cigar board, so the predominant discussion will be about what brought us all here...cigars.
:tpd: There are far worse plights befalling the peoples of countries other than Cuba. It's not that their welfare isn't in our thoughts, but that this board isn't operated to have those discussions here.

[hotreds]

OP: Nada.

[poker]

Cuba is moving all their tobacco manufacturing over to Taiwan

[replicant_argent]

Cuba is moving all their tobacco manufacturing over to Taiwan

On that day, I shall celebrate with a dirty water hotdog juice martini.

[T.G]

On that day, I shall celebrate with a dirty water hotdog juice martini.

No chicken wing shakes?

[BC-Axeman]

IMHO:Too many people alive that know what happened in the revolution there for the embargo to just end.

When it does, I will probably not smoke any CC that I didn't have before the ending. For a few years, maybe ten, for the previously commented fakes/trash reasons.

There would need to be an effort put forward by the Cuban regime to negotiate with the US. Watch for signs of that. Castro, so far, has steadfastly refused.

I love chili.
And jambalaya.

[replicant_argent]

No chicken wing shakes?

Well, aren't you posh.



You have to make sure they aren't substituting fakes like Tofurkey.

[poker]

On that day, I shall celebrate with a dirty water hotdog juice martini.

Start mixing! :D
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[markem]

So does this mean that we are going to start a "TC forum" for cigars from the other, other island? Will MRN write another book and include Pacific growing regions? Inquiring minds and all that, you know. :=:

[hotreds]

Start mixing! :D
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Get the "N" outta there, and it'll look great! Altho in this day and age I'd say "Hecho en China." Taiwan is too first world.

[mosesbotbol]

Cuba should already have agreements on exclusive distributors for USA they’ll mandate higher wholesale pricing. They should rape the USA market while making a high margin. US Government will crack down on grey market cigars coming into USA like they have been with cigarette tax stamp evasion. Legal Cuban cigars will be the super expensive than when the embargo if you like Internet prices. Cigar will be stopped at the border like they are in Canada.

Be careful what you wish for…

As an aside. Within 10 years, expect all tobacco to cost at least 50-100% more than it is now with huge restrictions on where one can smoke.

[Wanger]

start mixing! :d
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lmao!!!

[replicant_argent]

Start mixing! :D
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I added a twist of organic lemon, just for you. Great, now I am half drunk before noon.

[T.G]

I'm hoping the embargo doesn't get lifted, people forget about the HUGE price increase it would cause.

If it does, think of all the great deals you'll be able to score on Tatuajes. :noon:noon







;s :r

[Stephen]

If it does, think of all the great deals you'll be able to score on Tatuajes. :noon:noon







;s :r
I laughed.

[icehog3]

Cuba should already have agreements on exclusive distributors for USA they’ll mandate higher wholesale pricing. They should rape the USA market while making a high margin. US Government will crack down on grey market cigars coming into USA like they have been with cigarette tax stamp evasion. Legal Cuban cigars will be the super expensive than when the embargo if you like Internet prices. Cigar will be stopped at the border like they are in Canada.

Be careful what you wish for…

As an aside. Within 10 years, expect all tobacco to cost at least 50-100% more than it is now with huge restrictions on where one can smoke.

Stop being a Buzzkill, Moses.

;) :r

[NCRadioMan]

Cuba should already have agreements on exclusive distributors for USA they’ll mandate higher wholesale pricing. They should rape the USA market while making a high margin.

They already do. JR's (Altadis) will distribute over 80% of the Cuban cigars in the US. That deal was done about 4-5 years ago.

[wayner123]

In midst of all the talk about prices going up and quality going down. If this does happen, do you think they will bring back some of the discontinued brands to keep up with demand? Also, think of the very wealthy companies that own farms and would love to buy farms in Cuba and start making their own lines in those countries. While it may be that the traditional brands may go up in cost, it would only take a handful of NC companies to start providing cuban wrapper, filler, etc to drive that cost back down.

[gnukfu]

who are you think you are?

I would come back with a witty reply...if I understood what you said Vin...and if I was witty....:)

[replicant_argent]

I would come back with a witty reply...if I understood what you said Vin...and if I was witty....:)

You are good.

[Stephen]

In midst of all the talk about prices going up and quality going down. If this does happen, do you think they will bring back some of the discontinued brands to keep up with demand? Also, think of the very wealthy companies that own farms and would love to buy farms in Cuba and start making their own lines in those countries. While it may be that the traditional brands may go up in cost, it would only take a handful of NC companies to start providing cuban wrapper, filler, etc to drive that cost back down.
So I guess that means that Pete Johnson could start a Havana Club. Nyuk nyuk nyuk...