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fhrblig

01-25-2011, 08:25 AM

Okay, I never expected to post anything defending Jay Cutler ever, after the way he left the Broncos. (I can totally understand being upset finding out the new coach almost traded you, but not talking to the owner of the team when he calls you to try to sort it out is not acceptable. It's a business, stop acting like a two-year-old.)

All this crap about him not being tough enough because he left the game with a legit knee injury is maddening. I saw him that last series he was in and he was not moving well. When he is not 100%, he makes mistakes. BAD ones. If you can't go, you can't go. I used to like Maurice Jones-Drew before he wrote that tweet about how he played all season with a bad knee. Really? Good for you. Did you make it to the Super Bowl? No? Maybe you should have gotten treatment, then. I truly hope you enjoy not being able to climb a flight of stairs when you're 40. When you can't get out of bed without someone to help you, don't come crying to me.

I saw another comment from someone saying that "Philip Rivers must be laughing his ass off right now." Yeah. From his couch, where he ALWAYS WATCHES THE PLAYOFFS. ALWAYS. :D

Noodles

01-25-2011, 08:55 AM

chand

01-25-2011, 09:13 AM

I can understand why players and former players who are criticizing him are coming from.

I can also understand his teammates defending him in public.

Clay Mathews comment about them making Cutler quit ain't helping.

Cutler is a gamer. However, he has that I don't care look on his face. He needs to be fiery ala Jeff Garcia (Only Eagles fan will get this joke :D).

Bob - When he was in Denver, did he ever checked out on any of the games that you can remember?

Cutler seems to have reputation from the media for being aloof and disinterested. This is what's feeding the feeding frenzy. I've seen and heard some of his interviews that he gets heat over. I can't say I'd act much different in a similar situations such as fielding stupid questions from the local and national reporters. I don't know if that says something about Cutler or something about me.

Volusianator

01-25-2011, 09:13 AM

I think it's kind of simple really, if his knee was REALLY THAT BAD, why was he walking around the entire second half in 10 degree temps?

JDTexan

01-25-2011, 09:16 AM

I think it's kind of simple really, if his knee was REALLY THAT BAD, why was he walking around the entire second half in 10 degree temps?

You are correct sir, I think he checked out even though he had an injury he checked out mentally. Oh well, they lost just the same.

Noodles

01-25-2011, 09:17 AM

I think it's kind of simple really, if his knee was REALLY THAT BAD, why was he walking around the entire second half in 10 degree temps?

From what I heard, it was the team doctors who ordered that he not play anymore. Not sure if Cutler contested it though. I would imagine playing QB effectively is a lot more difficult under these circumstances.

fhrblig

01-25-2011, 09:25 AM

I can understand why players and former players who are criticizing him are coming from.

I can also understand his teammates defending him in public.

Clay Mathews comment about them making Cutler quit ain't helping.

Cutler is a gamer. However, he has that I don't care look on his face. He needs to be fiery ala Jeff Garcia (Only Eagles fan will get this joke :D).

Bob - When he was in Denver, did he ever checked out on any of the games that you can remember?

Honestlly? I can't remember one. I can remember plenty where I wished he had. Damn, those red zone interceptions were terrible.
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E.J.

01-25-2011, 09:27 AM

The guy has an MCL sprain right? Didn’t Tom Brady play through a stress fracture in his foot? IMO and only my opinion, things were not going well and it was as good of excuse as any to turn the keys over to someone else. I think a gamer would have had to be pulled off the field kicking and screaming.

Even if his pain threshold is as weak as his chin, the guy could have been up watching the game, giving input to the guy that replaces him and other offensive players. He could have tried to help his team in any way possible.

My views are biased, as I do not like Jay Cutler. I do not like him throwing fits, I do not like him when he quits. I don’t like Jay Cutler, Sam-I-Am.

Let me add, I don't know why a team doctor would order him not to play. Though painful, playing on a sprained MCL isn't going to hold you out... People play with sprained MCL's all the time....not uncommon.

loki

01-25-2011, 09:39 AM

The guy has an MCL sprain right? Didn’t Tom Brady play through a stress fracture in his foot?

i think ben is still playing with a broken foot, palamalu's Achilles still isn't healed, and i'll be shocked if pouncy doesn't play with a high ankle sprain.

as for cutler, you act like an asshole you get treated like an asshole

fhrblig

01-25-2011, 09:53 AM

Just saw where Philip Rivers said "I'd have to be taken off on a cart'. What, from your couch? 'Cause during the playoffs, that's where you are.
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Volusianator

01-25-2011, 10:07 AM

Just saw where Philip Rivers said "I'd have to be taken off on a cart'. What, from your couch? 'Cause during the playoffs, that's where you are.
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Whoa, trash talkin' after a Divisional Championship loss!

By the way, Drew Brees played the second half of the season with a sprained MCL.

icehog3

01-25-2011, 10:11 AM

Caleb Hanie for President! :wo

Volusianator

01-25-2011, 10:13 AM

Caleb Hanie for President! :wo

That dude had game, and scared the crap outta me. I told my wife, the worst thing for the Packers is to take Cutler out, all we needed was some young buck with something to prove. Hanie is that young buck.

Bunker

01-25-2011, 10:15 AM

Jay Cutler is the second coming of Jeff George, talented, strong arm, wild at times, no heart.

icehog3

01-25-2011, 10:17 AM

That dude had game, and scared the crap outta me. I told my wife, the worst thing for the Packers is to take Cutler out, all we needed was some young buck with something to prove. Hanie is that young buck.

He gave us hope....twice.

Not sure if I love him or hate him, Wade. :r

fhrblig

01-25-2011, 10:20 AM

Whoa, trash talkin' after a Divisional Championship loss!

By the way, Drew Brees played the second half of the season with a sprained MCL.

Yes, and Drew Brees is defending Cutler.
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jitzy

01-25-2011, 10:24 AM

I saw another comment from someone saying that "Philip Rivers must be laughing his ass off right now." Yeah. From his couch, where he ALWAYS WATCHES THE PLAYOFFS. ALWAYS. :D

Rivers played in 7 playoff games and one of them when he had a complete tear not a sprain, Cutler has played in one, well almost one he quit early on. The injury he has is minor and players play with that all the time. I understand your a fan and they did great getting to the playoffs but as far as what he did he should be embarrased to have been walking along the sidelines after he said his knee hurt.

Wanger

01-25-2011, 10:27 AM

Here's one thought about the sprain/grade 2 tear in his MCL that Cutler has. Having a week to get the right brace (fitted for him) would have allowed him to play following weeks. The key with a knee injury like that is giving it the required stability to perform the required movements by a QB. Could the Bears have gotten all that done during the game? I don't know.

On the other hand I will agree with Wade, in that why the he!! was he walking around the sidelines without ice on his knee, and not on crutches (or whatever)? That's what doesn't make sense about the whole thing.

Volusianator

01-25-2011, 10:27 AM

Volusianator

01-25-2011, 10:30 AM

Not sure if I love him or hate him, Wade. :r

I know what you're saying, but you can't knock the kid too much. Hell, he has no game experience, he played well under an EXTREME amount of pressure, then he made a bad decision. He was a part of what cost the Bears the game, but in the end, he almost pulled it off with little to no experience. Could be your future.

RevSmoke

01-25-2011, 10:31 AM

Personally, I don't think anybody has a clue.

We don't know who pulled who - Cutler pulled himself? Dr. pulled Cutler? Coach pulled Cutler, with knee and his play a factor?

Till we know this for sure (and maybe I missed that announcement), there really isn't much to talk about. Everything else is pure speculation.

Why is it that everybody is focusing on Cutler's coming out of the game and not on some other things (especially on ESPN and the NFL Network) ? Like what, you ask?

How about learning some of the history of the players that will be playing on Feb. 6. I don't know much about many of the Steelers, except some of their marquee players.

You know, we were talking in some other threads about the negative things going on in the world - the rash of cop shootings in particular. Maybe if there were more stories about some of the positive things going on, instead of always the negative and dragging people through the mud, there'd be fewer negatives going on.

Or, maybe not.

Just a thought.

Maybe we can rise above the fray.

Peace of the Lord be with you.

fhrblig

01-25-2011, 10:43 AM

Rivers played in 7 playoff games and one of them when he had a complete tear not a sprain, Cutler has played in one, well almost one he quit early on. The injury he has is minor and players play with that all the time. I understand your a fan and they did great getting to the playoffs but as far as what he did he should be embarrased to have been walking along the sidelines after he said his knee hurt.

Whoa, whoa, whoa, NOT a fan of Cutler (or the Bears, who I'm largely indifferent to). I'm a Broncos fan, and I didn't like him fromm the start. I was willing to give him a chance, but once the blow up happened I was not at all sorry to see him go. I think pulling Jake Plummer when they were 7-4 and still had a shot at the playoffs in order to play a rookie was a huge mistake and it led to Shanahan being fired. And oh by the way, the Plummer scenario just played out again with Shanahan in Washington this year with McNabb, pulling him for Grossman.

I think the whole issue stems from the fact that Jay Cutler only has one facial expression and it's 'bored/disinterested'.
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gvarsity

01-25-2011, 10:44 AM

I don't have a horse in this race one way or the other. The criticism of Cutler not being engaged a not helping the backup is merited. He should still be part of the team and adding his insight and experience not just sitting on the sideline looking bored. Even if he was frustrated and devastated he needs to suck it up and be there for his team.

On the other hand to presume that we can diagnose from the sideline and assume he made the decision to not play when he could go and chose not to because of some moral failure is ridiculous. That is just one of many reasonable possibilities of what happened. Unfortunately his previous behavior that made him look like a prima donna is coming back to haunt him and influence how people perceive this situation.

Volusianator

01-25-2011, 11:07 PM

http://i817.photobucket.com/albums/zz91/Volusianator1/Miscellaneous/Cutler.jpg

icehog3

01-26-2011, 01:32 AM

Jay is very secure with his masculinity. :r

Stephen

01-26-2011, 10:36 AM

Just saw where Philip Rivers said "I'd have to be taken off on a cart'. What, from your couch? 'Cause during the playoffs, that's where you are.
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Uhh, you realize he played two playoff games with a torn ACL, right?

fhrblig

01-26-2011, 11:19 AM

Uhh, you realize he played two playoff games with a torn ACL, right?

I'm not questioning Philip Rivers' toughness, I question his ability to win in the playoffs. Actually, I don't question it, I can see with my own eyes that he can't. AH HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA!
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kelmac07

01-26-2011, 11:30 AM

http://i817.photobucket.com/albums/zz91/Volusianator1/Miscellaneous/Cutler.jpg

This is just wrong. :r :r :r

jitzy

01-26-2011, 11:34 AM

I'm not questioning Philip Rivers' toughness, I question his ability to win in the playoffs. Actually, I don't question it, I can see with my own eyes that he can't. AH HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA!
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Didn't you say he always watches the playoffs from his couch? He did win 3 playoff games you know.

Lear31MX

01-26-2011, 11:42 AM

I'm with the O.P. not a fan of Cutler since his time in Denver. But I did here he has type 1 diabetes. Agian not definding him, just saying.
I fell it was more the Bears P.R. people to blame, if he was hurt and the docs said no more playing he should have been off the field and in the locker room or at lest taken his helmet off. My 2 cents.
GO Steelers!!!

fhrblig

01-26-2011, 11:48 AM

Didn't you say he always watches the playoffs from his couch? He did win 3 playoff games you know.

How many rings does he have? Besides the ring in his bathtub?

I do credit Rivers for one thing. Out of the Broncos' division rivalries, the Chargers one always seemed to me to be the weakest. I mean, we hate the Raiders (HATE them), and hate the Chiefs, but with the Chargers it was kind of like 'who cares'? Maybe it's just because for a long time they were kinda up and down as far as success on the field. As soon as Rivers came, and he and Jay Cutler had their little spat, it was a heckuva lot more fun and made the games must-watch, that's for sure. And even with Jay gone, the rivalry seems much stronger.
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shilala

01-26-2011, 12:05 PM

The only thing that's been missed is "it takes a lot more balls to sit your ass down than Farve it out and assure your team a loss".
When you've played ball as long as Cutler has, or even made it so far as to play at an NFL level, pain is not an issue. He's learned to play with pain, as have they all. I'm sure Jay would win a "take the pain contest" against a large percentage, I'd not all, of those questioning his constitution.
He was hurt. He wasn't getting it done. That's the perfect time for a qb to sit down. If only a few more would balance their egos, we'd likely see a higher level of play across the board.

Volusianator

01-26-2011, 12:28 PM

I'm not questioning Philip Rivers' toughness, I question his ability to win in the playoffs. Actually, I don't question it, I can see with my own eyes that he can't. AH HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA!
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11 guys on the team, it's not all the QB, win or lose.

fhrblig

01-26-2011, 12:49 PM

11 guys on the team, it's not all the QB, win or lose.

Fair enough. I still think he's a colossal douchebag, though. I won't lie, every time I see them lose in the playoffs, and I see that pouty scowl on his face it makes me giggle.
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Stephen

01-26-2011, 01:07 PM

Fair enough. I still think he's a colossal douchebag, though. I won't lie, every time I see them lose in the playoffs, and I see that pouty scowl on his face it makes me giggle.
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It's funny you should mention that, because I've often said that Rivers, Cutler and Brady are by far the most polarizing quarterbacks in the league. People either love them or hate them. I wonder why that is?

Starscream

01-26-2011, 01:22 PM

I think the whole issue stems from the fact that Jay Cutler only has one facial expression and it's 'bored/disinterested'.
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Get used to that face. Your new coach has a similar one.:D Always speaks ambiguously and likes to say, "it is what it is". Fox has potential, but if you don't like boring and disinterested, Fox is gonna be a pain for you next year.

Starscream

01-26-2011, 01:23 PM

It's funny you should mention that, because I've often said that Rivers, Cutler and Brady are by far the most polarizing quarterbacks in the league. People either love them or hate them. I wonder why that is?

I'd figure Vince Young would be much more polarizing than Cutler.

fhrblig

01-26-2011, 02:48 PM

Get used to that face. Your new coach has a similar one.:D Always speaks ambiguously and likes to say, "it is what it is". Fox has potential, but if you don't like boring and disinterested, Fox is gonna be a pain for you next year.

After this past season, it's hard to imagine it being much worse. Good luck with Rivera!
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