Lets talk Ozone Air Purifiers

[JDTexan]

So I have been smoking in my outside home office for about a year now and I would like to invest in an ozone air purifier that I can run overnight to help "clean" the old smoke smell. I see the Csonka for sale at most cigar stores and online sites but would like to know who has used one and what brand is the one to buy. My office is roughly 500 sq feet so I don't need some badass commercial unit. I have read that some people hate the way it makes the room smell, so any comments good or bad are welcome, as I explore this option.

Thanks for all the help!

[jonumberone]

I got a commercial one for Christmas and it is aces.
I didn't want to spend the coin for a big one but found it for 2 bills
I have smoked in my basement on weekends for the last 3 weeks with no complaints from my wife except when its on she doesn't like the smell.
10 min after it shuts off she's ok.
The room I smoke in is about 460 sq ft.

Out of stock now but this is the one I have
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00480H6SW/ref=oss_product

Edit: I should add that after I smoke it clears the smell out very quickly, which is what I need for smoking at home.
If I had the ability to run it overnight after I left I may have gone smaller.
The price made this one hard to pass up.

[JDTexan]

Thanks Dom, that is a great price for such a large unit. I found it for sale here:
http://www.greatvacs.com/new-comfort-air-purifier-cleaner-ozone-generator.html

Do you keep your cigars in the same location where you smoke and run the ozone cleaner. I am wondering the effects on cigars. Also, how is the smell after you run it, is it back to normal after an hour or more of it being off.

[jonumberone]

Yes i smoke in the same room as my humi.
I haven't noticed any ill effects on my sticks, but I have only been using it a few weeks.
After I turn it off an hour or two later I can still smell the ozone though not as strong.
I like the ozone smell, it smells clean and crisp to me, but my wife disagrees, she finds it to have a chemical type odor.
When I was kicking around the Idea of getting one, I found this thread

http://www.cigarasylum.com/vb/showthread.php?t=22472&highlight=cleaner

I PM'd Walt (klipsch) about it because at the time this thread was a year old.
He was still using his and still loving it.
He may be able to better answer your question about long term exposure to your sticks.

[massphatness]

I have a Csonka I bought through Mark at Cigarmony. I use it whenever my gal is gone on an overnight trip as I am not "allowed" to smoke in the house. And as far as she knows, I don't.

[mosesbotbol]

I like the ozone smell, it smells clean and crisp to me, but my wife disagrees, she finds it to have a chemical type odor.

She's spot on. :tpd:

[kydsid]

i have a csonka i use in my truck. so far so good. keeps the smell out of the truck.
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[jonumberone]

She's spot on. :tpd:

FWIW.. My wife also thinks

Rainbows are amazing
Pretty Woman is the greatest movie ever made
Cigars are a waste of money
And Goodfella's was too violent ;)

[shilala]

FWIW.. My wife also thinks

Rainbows are amazing
Pretty Woman is the greatest movie ever made
Cigars are a waste of money
And Goodfella's was too violent ;)
I'm impressed that she's 100% correct across so many cultures. :tu
That's a good woman, brother!!!

[shilala]

Oh yeah, I didn't just come in here to twist Dom's nipples...
I have an ozone machine, used to have a couple of them. It really works, but what I do is crank it up to max, leave, then when I come back I open up the windows for a few minutes.
I can't stand the ozone smell either, it makes me nautious.
We used to run a couple in the house all the time. There were two knobs, fan speed and ozone. I'd turn the zapper plate/ozone dial down real low and the fan up high, then it'd deliver a little ozone all the time. That didn't bother me at all.
I'm not sure how any of that is relevant, I guess I just wanted to say they really work, and you don't have to run them all the time.

[BigAsh]

FWIW.. My wife also thinks

Rainbows are amazing
Pretty Woman is the greatest movie ever made
Cigars are a waste of money
And Goodfella's was too violent ;)

:r:r:r....WE MARRIED SISTERS....

[php007]

I have had this for three years and it works great. Made in the USA and easy to maintain.

http://www.air-zone.com/xt400800.html

[357]

My parents have one of these and it works great:

http://www.amazon.com/Living-Fresh-Ionizer-Cleaner-Purifier/dp/B004FGNTYE/ref=sr_1_2?s=home-garden&ie=UTF8&qid=1295378198&sr=1-2

For $120, it is hard to do much better. I think I'm going to pick one up for my sun/smoking room.

[jledou]

I have a Csonka and while it doesn't necessarily keep up real time it does do a nice job of clean up shortly after I have finished a cigar.

[JDTexan]

Does anyone suggest not running one of these in the same room as your humidor and believes that running the ozone machine for a short time will adversely affect cigars. I have heard yes and no, wanting to hear from those that have an ozone machine and run it in the same room as their cabinet/humidor.

Thanks for all the information so far guys, it is extremely helpful!

[jonumberone]

Justin,
I should mention that I have a whole house air cleaner/purifier attached to my furnace/ac that also produces ozone, tho at much lower levels than the machines being discussed here. Some form of climate control is in effect at my house 99% of the days, and I imagine some amount of ozone is present around the clock in my house. I usually run the machine I mentioned earlier for 15 to 20 min (about a 1/4 turn on the knob). How much Ozone is produced in that 20 min Vs all day by my furnace I don't know, so I can't answer your question in regards to these machines but I haven't noticed any issue with regards to long term exposure.

[JDTexan]

Justin,
I should mention that I have a whole house air cleaner/purifier attached to my furnace/ac that also produces ozone, tho at much lower levels than the machines being discussed here. Some form of climate control is in effect at my house 99% of the days, and I imagine some amount of ozone is present around the clock in my house. I usually run the machine I mentioned earlier for 15 to 20 min (about a 1/4 turn on the knob). How much Ozone is produced in that 20 min Vs all day by my furnace I don't know, so I can't answer your question in regards to these machines but I haven't noticed any issue with regards to long term exposure.

Thanks again for this great info Dom, much appreciated!

[kydsid]

I know that Csonka, says theirs is humidor safe. With the science I remember from college I cannot see a ozone generator, non-commercial, in a average room producing ozone would pose little to no threat to the cigars.

That said I will point out the one I use in the truck is very dependent on airflow, IMO. When I leave it on during work with the windows just cracked that mornings cigar will still leave a stink in the truck. I have to leave the truck in the garage over night with at least one window half way down for it to be effective.

[Bill86]

I can attest to Dom's unit. It is an Ozone machine and they work VERY well. They use these in hotels when people smoke in them and they are non smoking. Within 24 hours there is absolutely ZERO trace of smoke. Even the pickiest non-smoker won't smell a thing. You just need any Ozone Machine. It is noted you shouldn't run an ozone machine in a room you are in as it is bad for you. You'll get quite a headache, so be sure to turn the unit off before you are going to stay in the room. Let the ozone clear out for an hour or two.


EDIT

http://www.amazon.com/Ozone-Generator-10000-Cubic-Ft/dp/B000Z592FO/ref=sr_1_13?s=home-garden&ie=UTF8&qid=1295409712&sr=1-13

These are the ones Starwood hotels use. Hope that helps out.

[Ogre]

I use an ioniac-pro Jr for the man cave. Bought for $99 online. Between that and an exhaust fan you cant tell i smoke in there.

[dwoodward]

I will definitely invest in one of these by winter next year.

I haven't had a cigar in months. I am starting to twitch.

[JDTexan]

I can attest to Dom's unit.

Thanks for all the info, I am going to place an order for a unit like Dom's!

[poker]

EDIT

http://www.amazon.com/Ozone-Generator-10000-Cubic-Ft/dp/B000Z592FO/ref=sr_1_13?s=home-garden&ie=UTF8&qid=1295409712&sr=1-13

These are the ones Starwood hotels use. Hope that helps out.

I like that unit and might just get one. Funny though how at 9 lbs its dimensions are so small (0.00 L. 0.00 W. 0.00 H) :)

[staminator]

I would be sure to leave a window open after running a unit. The jury is still out on whether ozone purifiers can be harmful. Depends on how much ozone the machine is generating.

[jonumberone]

Just to update

My wife was out of town for the weekend and for the first time I took to smoking in the living room instead of the basement.
I burned 4 cigars during a movie marathon Saturday night and a PC Sunday morning.
Finished it at about 8:45 am ran the machine for about 30 -40 min and when she got home at noon, she was none the wiser :D

[waffle]

Just to update

My wife was out of town for the weekend and for the first time I took to smoking in the living room instead of the basement.
I burned 4 cigars during a movie marathon Saturday night and a PC Sunday morning.
Finished it at about 8:45 am ran the machine for about 30 -40 min and when she got home at noon, she was none the wiser :D

... til she reads this post :sl

[Bill86]

I would be sure to leave a window open after running a unit. The jury is still out on whether ozone purifiers can be harmful. Depends on how much ozone the machine is generating.

I think I already said this but the pure ozone these things generate isn't good for you at all. You really shouldn't be in a room while these are running. Also air out the room after it has ran for a good few hours. You'll probably realize this when you get a headache and start to feel dizzy.

[jonumberone]

I think I already said this but the pure ozone these things generate isn't good for you at all. You really shouldn't be in a room while these are running. Also air out the room after it has ran for a good few hours. You'll probably realize this when you get a headache and start to feel dizzy.

I have sat in my basement with my machine running for hours at a time and never had any ill effects.
I can get away with smoking a cigar with it off and then turning it on when I'm done, but if I'm having more than 1 or have a few buddies over and we are all smoking, I turn it on and let it run to appease the wife.
None, of my buddies ever complained either.

Also be wary of the power of suggestion.
If someone tells you such and such will give you a headache then it most likely will.
I have seen a bunch of blind tests, where people were told that their food contained MSG but didn't actually have any they all got headaches, while the people who actually had the MSG and were told otherwise, suffered no effects.

[innova]

When I'm done smoking, i set the exhaust to run for 60 mins, then let the Csonka run overnight. Been doing this for over a year and so far it's good enough for her. In the a.m. I usually run the exhaust for 10 mins and turn off the Csonka to clear it out.

[Bill86]

Youll be fine in a whole basement. You're right Dom I should have been more clear. What I meant was in a small room say 12x12 or under the smell can be quite potent. My experiences with these units only bothered me in small rooms specifically hotel rooms. Also it takes quite a while for the ozone smell to be in all parts of the room. A large room might take longer than you're smoking time in the room so you might not be bothered by it.

[688sonarmen]

Good information here, I was going to chalk up my loss for the man-cave in the garage but it looks like between some fans and an Ozone generator it may be possible. A good resource I have found is craigslist, lots of units up for sale in my area, maybe yours as well.

[Wharf Rat]

Here's lots of info: http://www.epa.gov/iaq/pubs/ozonegen.html

I think the bottom line is that ozone is an effective deodorizer. But, the concentrations needed for real deodorization can have health consequences. So, its best to run it when you're not there.

[hscmit]

Just to update

My wife was out of town for the weekend and for the first time I took to smoking in the living room instead of the basement.
I burned 4 cigars during a movie marathon Saturday night and a PC Sunday morning.
Finished it at about 8:45 am ran the machine for about 30 -40 min and when she got home at noon, she was none the wiser :D

brave man
pretty much a do or die experiment

[irratebass]

I'm bringing this one back from the dead. I did a search on air purifiers and this one seemed like the most traffic.

I was at the shop last night and was looking though the latest issue of Cigar Press, and came across an advertisement for Lightning Air

http://lightningair.com/

The price isn't too terrible, but still a little high. I went onto Google and typed in lightning air to see if any cigar groups have discussed it....the 1st thing that popped up was Amazon of course that showed this:

http://www.amazon.com/Best-Choice-Products%C2%AE-Ionizer-Air/dp/B004FGNTYE/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1447423068&sr=8-2&keywords=lightning+air&pebp=1447423534985&perid=0X2T6J66DS7NVDW3DZ9G

For a much better price, I also seen the original LA with an initial $129 or something with an Amazon card and pay off the rest in 6 months or something.

357 you said you have this one.......is it still working for you?

Dom.....still using yours?

Anyway, I do not smoke in my house, only in my garage or deck. I was looking at this for the garage for the winter, so I could keep the garage door down without the wife *****ing about the smoke seeping into the house. I also have allergies, and this states it's ideal for people with allergies and what not.

Anyone have any experience with these? Is one better than the other?

Discuss

[markem]

Anyone have any experience with these? Is one better than the other?

Discuss

Glad you brought it back, Mickey. We've used HEPA filters for years (about 25) because of allergies, but have been thinking more along the lines of one of these for the wet dog smells. Like you, I do not smoke in the house, but in the winter it is in the garage it the wind is up.

I have been talking to the owner of the doggie day care that we use and he has some very good ones that also seem to keep down dander and such, but the costs are quite high.

As a result, I am watching this thread again to see what people are using and their results. Plus, I have a room that I'd like to convert to a smoking room if I can get away with it (next to the guest room, so odor is a big deal).

[AdamJoshua]

Well, I just ordered one, thanks for the link Mickey. With Winter here and not only smoking in the apartment but having the fireplace going as well it can get a bit smokey even with the large sliding glass door open. This should be a good test of the unit's effectiveness, I did standard shipping so I'll be sure to post a review in a week or so when it arrives.

[mosesbotbol]

I'd like to find a slim line fan unit for my dining room window. Imagine a row of 4" fans that fits perfect into a raised window. Anyone know of something like this to exhaust?

My current window exhaust has like 2- 8" fans and now smells like a homeless person from years of smoke and grease passing through it. I don't feel like cleaning is as it'll probably break and only cost $50 years ago....

[irratebass]

Well, I just ordered one, thanks for the link Mickey. With Winter here and not only smoking in the apartment but having the fireplace going as well it can get a bit smokey even with the large sliding glass door open. This should be a good test of the unit's effectiveness, I did standard shipping so I'll be sure to post a review in a week or so when it arrives.

Cool! Glad I could help....I am waiting on that review :tu

[smokin5]

I bought this in May & I'm very pleased with it:
Rabbit Air BioGS 2.0 Ultra Quiet HEPA Air Purifier (SPA-550A)
Not an ozone purifier, but uses both HEPA & charcoal filters.
Bit pricey, though - I paid $370 on Amazon.
Appeal to me was long-lasting filters (supposed to go 3 years
before they need replacing), and my disappoinment with other
purifiers I tried.

Pretty effective for getting rid of the smoke smell.
And would probably work well to rid allergens, too, for those
who mentioned such a problem.

[AdamJoshua]

It seems this ships from the Apt next door (actually up the coast but they must have tossed it on the truck or had Fran deliver it on her way home) as it got here less than 24 hours after ordering it.

http://i.imgur.com/0RueLw3.jpg

I have read up on it as well and as far as health concerns most of what I read said if you have it in a room with you to put it on the lowest setting, the irritation is on mucus membranes, you know you are creating something other than oxygen using it, so your nose, throat and lungs can get irritated from heavy amounts of the 03.

Considering the above information and the fact I have a giant Jew nose, I will most likely be running it on low overnight in the living room with my bedroom door closed then air out the room when I go to work in the morning.

To Dom's point I probably shouldn't have read all the online information and health warnings. :lr

[irratebass]

It seems this ships from the Apt next door (actually up the coast but they must have tossed it on the truck or had Fran deliver it on her way home) as it got here less than 24 hours after ordering it.

http://i.imgur.com/0RueLw3.jpg

I have read up on it as well and as far as health concerns most of what I read said if you have it in a room with you to put it on the lowest setting, the irritation is on mucus membranes, you know you are creating something other than oxygen using it, so your nose, throat and lungs can get irritated from heavy amounts of the 03.

Considering the above information and the fact I have a giant Jew nose, I will most likely be running it on low overnight in the living room with my bedroom door closed then air out the room when I go to work in the morning.

To Dom's point I probably shouldn't have read all the online information and health warnings. :lr

Holy crap that was fast!!!!

Can't wait to hear how it did for you.

[AdamJoshua]

I ran it overnight with the O3 setting on medium (had my bedroom door closed) after a day of not only cigars but cooking a steak in a cast iron skillet and the fireplace, there was a marked difference in the morning, granted you can smell that 'hydrogen peroxide' smell but it's a clean smell compared to all the smoke from the night before.

I like that you can run the 03 and Purification separate, that being you can run it just for dust and pollutants in the air without cranking up the 03.

So far so good and for the price (saving 50%) it's hard to complain, I'd say it pasted the first test with flying colors.

Of course the caution below, so some of you probably should operate at your own risk :lr

http://i.imgur.com/E73wPHR.jpg?1

[markem]

Oh crap, that warning page rules me out (reduced mental capacity), but darned if I am not going to buy one anyway!

[AdamJoshua]

I actually laughed when I saw that, talk about trying to cover your ass as best you can. "....but Your Honor, clearly the plaintiff is a mo-ron!"

[Porch Dweller]

I'd be more scared of the bolts of lightning that can shoot out if you remove the cover.

[irratebass]

Sounds like a winner Adam....thanks for the review.

I installed insulation on my garage door yesterday and had a couple of friends over to bust the cherry on the man cave. Had the door cracked since it was 65 out yesterday, but as the night came it dipped and we got cold, so I turned on the heater and closed the door.

Eventually I turned off the heat and was fairly comfortable in there. The smoke did linger of course......so I need to get off my butt and get this.

Had to open the garage last night after everyone left, and this morning for a bit to get rid of the smell.

This has me excited though.

Adam, I didn't look, but does it say how many square inches this covers? The LA covers 3,500.

[AdamJoshua]

They claim 3500 SF, you don't have to run it long in a small space that's for sure. Also you could probably use just the purify part and turn the 03 control to off if you wanted to use it more aggressively while you smoke in there (that's if the hydrogen peroxide smell gets to you).

[irratebass]

They claim 3500 SF, you don't have to run it long in a small space that's for sure. Also you could probably use just the purify part and turn the 03 control to off if you wanted to use it more aggressively while you smoke in there (that's if the hydrogen peroxide smell gets to you).

Did you order the one off Amazon or the LA? I assume Amazon, but not 100% sure.

[AdamJoshua]

Yes I grabbed the one from Amazon. Looks like the same exact machine just rebranded.

[Chainsaw13]

Curious to hear if you develop any sort of "residue" from running the O3?

[irratebass]

Yes I grabbed the one from Amazon. Looks like the same exact machine just rebranded.

Awesome! That's exactly what I was looking for........Thanks :tu

[357]

I'm bringing this one back from the dead. I did a search on air purifiers and this one seemed like the most traffic.

I was at the shop last night and was looking though the latest issue of Cigar Press, and came across an advertisement for Lightning Air

http://lightningair.com/

The price isn't too terrible, but still a little high. I went onto Google and typed in lightning air to see if any cigar groups have discussed it....the 1st thing that popped up was Amazon of course that showed this:

http://www.amazon.com/Best-Choice-Products%C2%AE-Ionizer-Air/dp/B004FGNTYE/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1447423068&sr=8-2&keywords=lightning+air&pebp=1447423534985&perid=0X2T6J66DS7NVDW3DZ9G

For a much better price, I also seen the original LA with an initial $129 or something with an Amazon card and pay off the rest in 6 months or something.

357 you said you have this one.......is it still working for you?

Dom.....still using yours?

Anyway, I do not smoke in my house, only in my garage or deck. I was looking at this for the garage for the winter, so I could keep the garage door down without the wife *****ing about the smoke seeping into the house. I also have allergies, and this states it's ideal for people with allergies and what not.

Anyone have any experience with these? Is one better than the other?

Discuss

My parents had one that I used. It worked great but did eventually fail after 5-8 years of use. I am definitely considering buying one for myself now that I own my own home.

[jonumberone]

Dom.....still using yours?



Yes, Mickey, I still use mine. However, now that I have a dedicated cigar room I don't need to run it every time I smoke.
I really don't care if my cigar room smells like cigars. :D
I just turn it on to freshen it up a bit.
I run it about once a month in the winter and about once every 6 weeks in the warmer months.

[irratebass]

Yes, Mickey, I still use mine. However, now that I have a dedicated cigar room I don't need to run it every time I smoke.
I really don't care if my cigar room smells like cigars. :D
I just turn it on to freshen it up a bit.
I run it about once a month in the winter and about once every 6 weeks in the warmer months.

Nice! Thanks for the update :tu

Adam....another update?

Will probably pull the plug on one in a few weeks.

[irratebass]

Yes, Mickey, I still use mine. However, now that I have a dedicated cigar room I don't need to run it every time I smoke.
I really don't care if my cigar room smells like cigars. :D
I just turn it on to freshen it up a bit.
I run it about once a month in the winter and about once every 6 weeks in the warmer months.

Nice! Thanks for the update :tu

Adam....another update?

Will probably pull the plug on one in a few weeks.

[AdamJoshua]

Still working great, I only run the 03 when I'm out of the house, then turn it off when I come home and crank up a big fan to air the place out for a few minutes. I've been smoking in here and many nights of the fireplace, the air purifier works really well I leave that on when I smoke and it helps.

Again I'm running it in a fairly small room that's why I'm only doing 03 when I'm out.

[mosesbotbol]

I am looking at air purifiers for my garage. I'd like it to run every time the garage door closes. Any suggestions?

[irratebass]

Still working great, I only run the 03 when I'm out of the house, then turn it off when I come home and crank up a big fan to air the place out for a few minutes. I've been smoking in here and many nights of the fireplace, the air purifier works really well I leave that on when I smoke and it helps.

Again I'm running it in a fairly small room that's why I'm only doing 03 when I'm out.

Thanks for the update Adam.......Will be pulling the plug on this next week.

[irratebass]

Just placed my order :tu

[AdamJoshua]

I look forward to your take on it, running the O3 in the room etc., :tu

Wait you ordered it this morning, did it arrive yet? :lr

[irratebass]

I look forward to your take on it, running the O3 in the room etc., :tu

Wait you ordered it this morning, did it arrive yet? :lr

Phhhtt Nope, still in the "ordered" stage, and the Amazon warehouse is only about 5 miles from my house....eta Dec 15th - 18th :lr

[irratebass]

Received mine yesterday.....didn't have time to smoke last night, but I did set it up, put it in the man cave and turned it on while the wife smoked her cigarette, I asked her if it worked she said yeah, but it stinks.....I walked out and I did smell something, so I turned it down and then off.

I plan to get it a work out Saturday night or Sunday sometime.

http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d64/irratebass/Cigars/IMG_20151217_175444_zps9vn4sict.jpg

[AdamJoshua]

Yah it's that peroxide smell, I use it without the O3 turned on when I'm in the room and when I'm not in the room, I'll turn the 03 on, then back to without the 03. The 03 really cleans out the room odor, but I guess I'm more sensitive to it, so I just run it when I'm not there and then can open a window and air it out.

[irratebass]

Yah it's that peroxide smell, I use it without the O3 turned on when I'm in the room and when I'm not in the room, I'll turn the 03 on, then back to without the 03. The 03 really cleans out the room odor, but I guess I'm more sensitive to it, so I just run it when I'm not there and then can open a window and air it out.

Ah interesting.....still trying to figure this thing out. I had both of them going last night when I was smoking, I have the 03 on low and the other on medium, and I couldn't smell it as bad. When I was finished I left the room for a couple of ours came back to turn it off before bed and couldn't smell a trace of the cigar.....very pleased.