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e-man67
01-10-2011, 07:58 AM
Si I am not a huge wine drinker but I do sip on occasion....the wife really likes wine though. So we were in Brookstone and picked up the Vinturi brand wine aerator. Oh course it makes some pretty bold claims and I am a sceptic but figure what the heck....now we had a very cheap one that basically just filtered the wine but not very well. The Vinturi is supposed to open the bouquet by adding air and allows the wine to breathe. So we poured 2 glasses of red one through the Vinturi and one just out of the bottle. Before sipping we did a smell test...it was amazing that you could smell the difference..the wines did not smell the same. The wine run through the Vinturi was more robust..and that was just the smell test! The wines tasted completely different as well. The Vinturi wine had more more complexity and eliminated any bitterness that was present in the wine. This all came from a guy that knows little about wine but the results were blatant. My wife, 2 neighbors, and myself could all tell the difference. I highly recommend this product. :tu

jesseboston81
01-10-2011, 08:14 AM
It was interesting to hear about your experience with the Vinturi. I always assumed it was a gimmick, or at least over-hyped, but perhaps I'll have to give it a chance for myself. Thanks for sharing!

e-man67
01-10-2011, 08:34 AM
It was interesting to hear about your experience with the Vinturi. I always assumed it was a gimmick, or at least over-hyped, but perhaps I'll have to give it a chance for myself. Thanks for sharing!

That is what I thought...and for $40 if it didn't work I was gonna return it...crazy the difference.

CigarNut
01-10-2011, 08:34 AM
My wife picked one up a while back and I have to agree with you -- the Vinturi does make a difference with a wine that has not had a chance to breathe. I highly recommend them!

tsolomon
01-10-2011, 08:59 AM
Wine aerators are great and we have tried several of these devices and the one we use most often is the Soiree. http://www.winesoiree.com/
The Vinturi works just as well, but I find it a challenge to use and end up dripping wine on the table when I use it. :2

mosesbotbol
01-10-2011, 09:15 AM
I wonder these devices compare to natural breathing in a decanter? It would be cool to open and decant one bottle normally. 3 hours later, open a bottle and decant with device while leaving some in the bottle as the undecanted sample.

T.G
01-10-2011, 09:22 AM
I wonder these devices compare to natural breathing in a decanter? It would be cool to open and decant one bottle normally. 3 hours later, open a bottle and decant with device while leaving some in the bottle as the undecanted sample.

I'd be surprised if at least one wine magazine hasn't done that already, possibly with multiple bottles and different aerators, and, ideally, done double blind.

rizzle
01-10-2011, 01:16 PM
We've been using this for a couple years now. My wife just bought it on a whim for when we aren't planning on drinking the whole bottle and don't have the need to decant it. Aerates and filters at the same time. Seems to work really well, not that I would know a whole lot different anyway. ;)

http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2010/05/18/dining/dj-nuance1/dj-nuance1-blogSpan.jpg

wayner123
01-10-2011, 01:42 PM
I wonder these devices compare to natural breathing in a decanter? It would be cool to open and decant one bottle normally. 3 hours later, open a bottle and decant with device while leaving some in the bottle as the undecanted sample.

I'd be surprised if at least one wine magazine hasn't done that already, possibly with multiple bottles and different aerators, and, ideally, done double blind.

Here is a vid that talks partially about that very thing:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vkzSqUEC-_4

There are also a few more vids doing blind tastings, etc.

TheRiddick
01-10-2011, 04:34 PM
Nothing will make 2BC taste like Latour, I hope people don't buy into that (as in the YouTube link provided above, the video is a shameless sham with prices and all besides open lies about wine making history).

None of the videos are blind tests when people know up front what to "look" for. Someone should simply hand out 2 glasses without any explanation, better yet 3 (whatever the combo), to see how people choose their favorite. Better still, and I can prove this (done it many a time), pour absolutely same wine into 2 glasses and see how someone will be dead set on arguing one of them is better than the other when asked to choose one. That's true blind to see if someone has a nose and a palate.

For anyone looking to improve a young wine if a decanter (as Moses pointed out above, best choice to aerate a wine) is not available, just use any old (clean) funnel and pour the wine into another bottle (or any jar/vessel) through the funnel. Does absolutely same thing as Vinturi and similar devices and probably better. The method is called "splash decant" in the industry. Cheap and very effective.

I've used the device Razzle pointed out above, its as effective as Vinturi, and actually more so as aeration goes, and having a filtering ability as well to catch sediment. Another added benefit is that you simply insert into the bottle, no need to have a device sitting among bottles/glasses and a chance for an "accident", seen those, too.

wayner123
01-11-2011, 08:20 AM
Nothing will make 2BC taste like Latour, I hope people don't buy into that (as in the YouTube link provided above, the video is a shameless sham with prices and all besides open lies about wine making history).

None of the videos are blind tests when people know up front what to "look" for. Someone should simply hand out 2 glasses without any explanation, better yet 3 (whatever the combo), to see how people choose their favorite. Better still, and I can prove this (done it many a time), pour absolutely same wine into 2 glasses and see how someone will be dead set on arguing one of them is better than the other when asked to choose one. That's true blind to see if someone has a nose and a palate.

For anyone looking to improve a young wine if a decanter (as Moses pointed out above, best choice to aerate a wine) is not available, just use any old (clean) funnel and pour the wine into another bottle (or any jar/vessel) through the funnel. Does absolutely same thing as Vinturi and similar devices and probably better. The method is called "splash decant" in the industry. Cheap and very effective.

I've used the device Razzle pointed out above, its as effective as Vinturi, and actually more so as aeration goes, and having a filtering ability as well to catch sediment. Another added benefit is that you simply insert into the bottle, no need to have a device sitting among bottles/glasses and a chance for an "accident", seen those, too.

You and I should get together as I would like to test your methods out.

jesseboston81
01-11-2011, 08:29 AM
We've been using this for a couple years now. My wife just bought it on a whim for when we aren't planning on drinking the whole bottle and don't have the need to decant it. Aerates and filters at the same time. Seems to work really well, not that I would know a whole lot different anyway. ;)

http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2010/05/18/dining/dj-nuance1/dj-nuance1-blogSpan.jpg

What is this called?

aich75013
01-11-2011, 09:30 AM
What is this called?

Google Wine Finer.
Wine Finer (http://www.amazon.com/Nuance-Wine-Finer/dp/B002NXVIZS/ref=dp_cp_ob_k_title_2)

rizzle
01-11-2011, 09:35 AM
What is this called?

Google Wine Finer.
Wine Finer (http://www.amazon.com/Nuance-Wine-Finer/dp/B002NXVIZS/ref=dp_cp_ob_k_title_2)

That's it.

T.G
01-11-2011, 11:15 AM
Here is a vid that talks partially about that very thing:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vkzSqUEC-_4

There are also a few more vids doing blind tastings, etc.

http://www.motifake.com/image/demotivational-poster/1006/billy-mays-here-demotivational-poster-1277954049.jpg


Looked more like an infomercial than anything even remotely resembling scientific or controlled testing.

I accept that I might be in the minority with my opinion, but anything that makes claims like that would need to be tested in a controlled double blind manner before I would even consider taking the claims seriously.

TheRiddick
01-11-2011, 01:00 PM
Adam, like I said above, play a mind game on anyone who claims to be a wine "aficionado". Pour same wine into 2 glasses and watch them destroy themselves in the process. Very few people are able to figure out its the same wine and mentally, when someone asks you "which one is better", your mind immediately goes into guessing/conviction game... Better yet, play it with 3 glasses of same wine, its hilarious to watch...

As for the video above, the second the guy pronounced that "this 60 pounds wine is now a 100 pounds wine..." I knew I am dealing with a charlatan. A 60 pounds wine, to begin with, should not need any "enhancement" to be enjoyable, enhancement or not, but hey, maybe I run with a wrong crowd. At $100 per bottle the wine better be good...

mosesbotbol
01-11-2011, 02:12 PM
A 60 pounds wine, to begin with, should not need any "enhancement" to be enjoyable, enhancement or not, but hey, maybe I run with a wrong crowd. At $100 per bottle the wine better be good...

If someone wants to pour me $100 wines, I will be objective. I fooled a Scotch expert serving the same Scotch (JW Black) twice in a row and he guess wrong each time.

wayner123
01-11-2011, 05:03 PM
Looked more like an infomercial than anything even remotely resembling scientific or controlled testing.

I accept that I might be in the minority with my opinion, but anything that makes claims like that would need to be tested in a controlled double blind manner before I would even consider taking the claims seriously.

I linked that video to show that their had been discussion on the vinturi vs natural breathing. I was NOT saying that the vid I linked was blind testing. I mentioned that there are other videos on youtube that deal with blind testing. Sorry if there was any confusion.

TheRiddick
01-11-2011, 05:47 PM
No one made an accusation, IMO. Besides, its not you in the video, at least I hope it is not :D

If you pay attention to those videos that do claim to be "blind" you will see that there is nothing "blind" about the process, the device sits up front and center and they are told what to "sense" upfront.

Next time anyone wants to "soften up" a bottle of young wine, just shake it violently for a few seconds before popping the cork. That is, if you don't have a $1 funnel on hand. Not glamorous, but...

T.G
01-11-2011, 10:23 PM
I was talking about the video Wayne, not you or anything you did.

I can't speak for what Moses was looking for in terms of discussion, but as far as I'm concerned, that video was not a valid discussion, it was a sales video infomercial. It even had the company logo in the corner the whole time. And, it definitely wasn't a double-blind testing.

wayner123
01-11-2011, 11:12 PM
No one made an accusation, IMO. Besides, its not you in the video, at least I hope it is not :D

If you pay attention to those videos that do claim to be "blind" you will see that there is nothing "blind" about the process, the device sits up front and center and they are told what to "sense" upfront.

Next time anyone wants to "soften up" a bottle of young wine, just shake it violently for a few seconds before popping the cork. That is, if you don't have a $1 funnel on hand. Not glamorous, but...

LOL, I know little to nothing about wine, much less be part of the oldest winery in London. So no it's not me. My study and experimentation lies within tasting and flavor.

I was talking about the video Wayne, not you or anything you did.

I can't speak for what Moses was looking for in terms of discussion, but as far as I'm concerned, that video was not a valid discussion, it was a sales video infomercial. It even had the company logo in the corner the whole time. And, it definitely wasn't a double-blind testing.

Yeah, I was also discussing the video. Logo or not, the guy said something to the effect of if you don't have 2 hours to let it breathe, then it works well. So I understood that to mean that in their opinion, 2 hours of natural breathing is the same as the Vinturi. So then, you could save money over any device if you simply plan ahead or have patience.

Have either of you tried this device? And if not, who's opinion would convince you that it works likes it claims?

T.G
01-11-2011, 11:47 PM
Yeah, I was also discussing the video. Logo or not, the guy said something to the effect of if you don't have 2 hours to let it breathe, then it works well. So I understood that to mean that in their opinion, 2 hours of natural breathing is the same as the Vinturi. So then, you could save money over any device if you simply plan ahead or have patience.


I have no doubt that they aerate the wine and I've never questioned that, and, if I read his posts correctly, neither has Greg. I don't care about the 2 hour claim as I have yet to ever time a bottle of wine after opening.

Where I feel the video falls flat into outrageous infomercial-esque claims and where I would want to see a double-blind controlled test and not the word of two paid pitchmen before I believe it would be the claims beginning at 1:40 where they start claiming that the product just turned a whatever cost bottle into a wine that would cost 50% more, and it just goes on from there.

TheRiddick
01-11-2011, 11:52 PM
LOL, I know little to nothing about wine, much less be part of the oldest winery in London. So no it's not me. My study and experimentation lies within tasting and flavor.



Yeah, I was also discussing the video. Logo or not, the guy said something to the effect of if you don't have 2 hours to let it breathe, then it works well. So I understood that to mean that in their opinion, 2 hours of natural breathing is the same as the Vinturi. So then, you could save money over any device if you simply plan ahead or have patience.

Have either of you tried this device? And if not, who's opinion would convince you that it works likes it claims?

2 hours in a decanter, with a really wide surface area to air exposure cannot be simulated by Vinturi/funnel, they will help somewhat, but nowhere near what a decanter does.

I once popped a bottle of a young Napa red after asking the winemaker how long to decant. DECANT, as in a real decanter. He said, 3 DAYS. I thought he's joking and called to ask his assistant. Same answer. I still thought its crazy to decant a wine for 3 days and did for just 26 HOURS. The wine was still very tight and whatever remains were there tasted better the next day, still in a decanter and one can only imagine how much air exposure by then. Most wines would be oxidized and vinegar by then. Point is that funnel, Vinturi, whatever will not substitute for a good, old fashioned aging process or decanter.

mosesbotbol
01-12-2011, 07:01 AM
Point is that funnel, Vinturi, whatever will not substitute for a good, old fashioned aging process or decanter.

There is something to "time" that I doubt any device can replace, but is not say there is no value in a Vinturi. Most people do not decant white wine, so I bet it is a good complement to that at a minimum.

tsolomon
01-12-2011, 07:41 AM
Personal taste is what really matters and even the experts, which I'm not have, a wide range of opinions on aeration and decanting. There are some people that prefer the pop and pour taste of wine where the young fruitiness is really noticeable, while others like it to smooth out. I have also read that when a wine is well aged, you don't want it to open up too much as it is ready to drink and can lose some of it's taste as it opens up. For me, I find that these aerators can help open up a younger inexpensive wine and make it more enjoyable when the wife asks me to open a bottle for dinner that is almost on the table. :D

TheRiddick
01-12-2011, 12:07 PM
Most people do not decant white wine, so I bet it is a good complement to that at a minimum.

I have yet to meet anyone who decants a white wine. Is this a Right Coast thing?

e-man67
01-12-2011, 12:07 PM
Personal taste is what really matters and even the experts, which I'm not have, a wide range of opinions on aeration and decanting. There are some people that prefer the pop and pour taste of wine where the young fruitiness is really noticeable, while others like it to smooth out. I have also read that when a wine is well aged, you don't want it to open up too much as it is ready to drink and can lose some of it's taste as it opens up. For me, I find that these aerators can help open up a younger inexpensive wine and make it more enjoyable when the wife asks me to open a bottle for dinner that is almost on the table. :D


Yup...I like it, it works.

TheRiddick
01-12-2011, 12:19 PM
Personal taste is what really matters and even the experts, which I'm not have, a wide range of opinions on aeration and decanting. There are some people that prefer the pop and pour taste of wine where the young fruitiness is really noticeable, while others like it to smooth out. I have also read that when a wine is well aged, you don't want it to open up too much as it is ready to drink and can lose some of it's taste as it opens up. For me, I find that these aerators can help open up a younger inexpensive wine and make it more enjoyable when the wife asks me to open a bottle for dinner that is almost on the table. :D

There is no argument that aeration helps young red wines, at least I don't think anyone in the thread argues that. Its the tools used and if anyone is happy with Vinturi, then great, no issues. For those who do not have it and want to experiment with the process I simply recommended they do so with a cheap and similar tool, funnel. Actually, a better tool, IMO, since it allows for better aeration. If they like the result and want to buy Vinturi, then great. Simply pouring wine into a decanter/jar for 1-2 hour prior to consumption also works. Winners all around. Vinturi is not the only solution...

Older wines, aged ones where the process of aeration/oxidation has already taken place in the bottle with time, will quickly oxidize once exposed to air. Main reason it is not really recommended one decants an old wine, better technique is to leave it standing upright for 2-3 days prior to consumption to let the sediment settle on the bottom and then handle the bottle gently (as little shaking and movement as possible) when popping the cork and pouring.

mosesbotbol
01-12-2011, 12:39 PM
I have yet to meet anyone who decants a white wine. Is this a Right Coast thing?

What? You don't decant your Chevalier-Montrachet's or Meursault's? You know, they are just an everyday drinker to me. :sh

I do decant (into a chilled decanter) fine Champagne. Makes a world of difference.

mosesbotbol
01-12-2011, 12:43 PM
Typically, bottles should be opened and decanted young to old and drank old to young. I do decant older wines, but they are being served (or initally tasted) right away.

If the wine falls apart in the decanter within an hour, it's was already doomed. A friend of mine has a case of 80's CA Cab that is pop and pour. First taste is like a mature wine, 20 minutes later it's vinegar. He'll serve the whole bottle right away and it's like "drink drink"!