Tatuaje Black Label Petite Lancero

[Starz26]

Do not think this has been discussed here yet so.....

http://tobaccogrove.com/index.cfm/pageid/57/rc_hidecontent/11/familyid/128#family_128

All info in the link...

[688sonarmen]

Thanks for the info:tu

[big a]

Thanks for the heads up. I will try to order some after work if they still have them.

[Superbad]

These are being made along side the production sticks to be released at some point in the future. Only difference is the early release and a covered foot.

[Brutus2600]

?!?

I love the black label...and I love lanceros...EXCELLENT NEWS.

Thanks :tu

[Bill86]

I do like the black labels but......For their size they are quite pricey @ $8.52 a piece for a 6x38 stick? No deals on the box prices either, even if you buy 35 sticks!

[Brutus2600]

The SODO was what...$11 a stick? Same size.

I'll pay $8.50 for a good lancero.

But yeah, Tatuaje's limited releases are never cheap :(

Good to know that a regular release is on it's way!

[elderboy02]

I am glad these will be regular production.

[Ranger_B]

Well I will try but I never have luck with his special release. Good to know I have a shot a production once it comes out. Never dealt with this company so I just signed up for an account so hopefully I just have to log in tomorrow and get lucky.

[smokinpeace]

Must..... Not....... Buy....... Must...... wait..... for..... regular release. Not sure if that is gonna happen.

[McSmokey]

Well I'm gonna have to go to lunch a few minutes early to be ready. Credit Card I am sorry in advance for what I am about to do. Oh, and please don't tell my wife on me. :D

[wayner123]

These are being made along side the production sticks to be released at some point in the future. Only difference is the early release and a covered foot.

Where did you learn this information?

[T.G]

I don't have any idea on the future production scale, if any, of these cigars, but I can tell you why there are only 200 boxes right now...

...That's how many boxes Pepin's box shop made by accident.

When we were down in Nicaragua at the beginning of November on the Drew Estates Cigar Safari, Pete was down at the My Father factory and spending quite a bit of time hanging out with us, at one point he comes over with a big smile on his face and says something like "As of a few minutes ago, it now looks like I'm releasing a Tat Black petite lancero. <big grin> Pepin's box shop made a mistake and made 200 boxes*, and since I hate waste, and I already have the cigars, I'm going to release them."

*: the wrong size or by accident - I forget exactly which Pete said. He didn't want Pepin to have to absorb the cost of the boxes.

[elderboy02]

Where did you learn this information?

Pete Johnson said it yesterday on BOTL

He also said the initial release won't be wet packed because they will be fresh. The regular production ones will be wet packed.

[Brooks W]

Pete Johnson said it yesterday on BOTL

He also said the initial release won't be wet packed because they will be fresh. The regular production ones will be wet packed.

Correct.

[wayner123]

Pete Johnson said it yesterday on BOTL

He also said the initial release won't be wet packed because they will be fresh. The regular production ones will be wet packed.

I find this very interesting given that a couple years ago when the Black CG's came out they were supposed to be a limited release that was not going to be regular production. Not due to the size, but due to the leaf/crop available. It seems that the black series has done so well he "found" more black material.

[T.G]

I find this very interesting given that a couple years ago when the Black CG's came out they were supposed to be a limited release that was not going to be regular production. Not due to the size, but due to the leaf/crop available. It seems that the black series has done so well he "found" more black material.

I don't recall Pete ever claiming that these or the previous Tat Blacks were from the same crop. Just that the blend is the same.

If Pepin has grown more leaf that is suitable for the cigars, and Pete wants to make them, then what's the big deal? It's just a recurring limited release that changes vitolas over the years when it comes out. Not the first time something like this has been done.

[wayner123]

I don't recall Pete ever claiming that these or the previous Tat Blacks were from the same crop. Just that the blend is the same.

If Pepin has grown more leaf that is suitable for the cigars, and Pete wants to make them, then what's the big deal? It's just a recurring limited release that changes vitolas over the years when it comes out. Not the first time something like this has been done.

I didn't explain that correctly. I will have to find the discussion, but he claimed that Blacks were going to be his personal stash, then said that they were a one time thing, and now they are going to regular production? I didn't mean to say the same exact crop, but that the leaves used are supposed to be the same type.

I don't find it to be a problem, but that was part of the hype of the cigars, that they were going to be VERY exclusive.

[T.G]

I didn't explain that correctly. I will have to find the discussion, but he claimed that Blacks were going to be his personal stash, then said that they were a one time thing, and now they are going to regular production? I didn't mean to say the same exact crop, but that the leaves used are supposed to be the same type.

I don't find it to be a problem, but that was part of the hype of the cigars, that they were going to be VERY exclusive.

Understood. I seem to vaguely recall reading some of those statements too.

I think some clarification from Pete as to the production numbers and what he meant by "regular" might be in order. He might have just meant that this a split release due to the box fubar that brought about it's release in the first place Or maybe it will be a low volume continuous production. I don't know, but I can see it possibly meaning either.

----

EDIT: I'm re-reading Pete's posts about the cigar production on another board, and it really does sound more like a split (early) release and then a limited release and he might have been referring to how factory workers are dedicated to a project. But I'll ask just to clarify.

[rizzle]

Pete Johnson said it yesterday on BOTL

He also said the initial release won't be wet packed because they will be fresh. The regular production ones will be wet packed.

Correct.

Pardon my complete ignorance, but what is "wet packed" and then, I guess, tha alternative "dry packed". Thanks.

[Chainsaw13]

Pardon my complete ignorance, but what is "wet packed" and then, I guess, tha alternative "dry packed". Thanks.

It's the difference of being rolled on the thighs of 18y/o virgin women vs. more "seasoned" gals. :r

[rizzle]

It's the difference of being rolled on the thighs of 18y/o virgin women vs. more "seasoned" gals. :r

Heh. I'll take three of both. :xxx

[Starz26]

Pardon my complete ignorance, but what is "wet packed" and then, I guess, tha alternative "dry packed". Thanks.

Wet packed are when the cigars are wrapped in foil packaging immediately after being rolled. (do not think they go to the drying room at all..) Supposed to help with long term aging..

Since these will be fresh and meant to be smoked when released there is no need to wet pack them.

The cigars for later release will be wet packed since they will be sitting a while before release.

[McSmokey]

Heh. I'll take three of both. :xxx

Just 3 Rizz? :noon

[rizzle]

Wet packed are when the cigars are wrapped in foil packaging immediately after being rolled. (do not think they go to the drying room at all..) Supposed to help with long term aging..

Since these will be fresh and meant to be smoked when released there is no need to wet pack them.

The cigars for later release will be wet packed since they will be sitting a while before release.
Gotcha. Thanks.
Just 3 Rizz? :noon
I'm getting old, bro. :D

[Ranger_B]

I did it. Thanks for the heads up.

[elderboy02]

Got 2 5 packs. I will buy more when they are regular production.

[azcards83]

Order placed!

[Superbad]

Where did you learn this information?

Pete Johnson talked about it on another site.

[Superbad]

Pete Johnson said it yesterday on BOTL

He also said the initial release won't be wet packed because they will be fresh. The regular production ones will be wet packed.
I will get a 5er or 2 and wait for the wet packed then.

[srduggins]

Got 2 5 packs. I will buy more when they are regular production.

Same here, and if I really like them it would be nice to have one of the wet packed boxes to lay down for a bit.

[quantim0]

Ordered a box.

I put my order in the second it showed up on the site. Hopefully I scored a box because I really enjoy the black label tubos and the one puff I had off a Black robusto at Epic 3.

I figure that if they're bad, someone will want them.

[McSmokey]

Ordered a box and a fiver figure I'll smoke the fiver and if it's not my taste I'll sell the box either as a whole or fivers like quantim0 said someone will want them.

[guado]

Got me a box and a fiver also. I hope they cut it off once they are all sold. I hate it when I get an email saying "sorry we over sold"

[earnold25]

From TG's website:

"We have SOLD OUT!

The response the the Tatuaje Black Label Petite Lancero has been amazing! The lion's share of these cigars sold in the first 15 minutes. Orders have exceeded the out of state allocation. However, we have just made an executive decision to fulfill all of the orders that have been received today.

We apologize if you weren't able to get your order in.
Please CLICK HERE if you would like to be put on the reserve list.

Thank you for your continued support!"

[AlohaStyle]

The SODO was what...$11 a stick? Same size.

I'll pay $8.50 for a good lancero.

But yeah, Tatuaje's limited releases are never cheap :(

Good to know that a regular release is on it's way!

SODO's are $9.20 a stick which includes shipping, and I believe there are some boxes left...

[AlohaStyle]

And yes I got my Black PL box... couldn't resist :)

[Smokin Gator]

Dang you all... This one was right my alley and I missed it!!

[Ranger_B]

Gator I grabbed two 5ers and I am sure I could share once they get here.

[CRIMPS]

That didn't take long :(

[themoneycollector]

No rush, I'm actually waiting for the general release. I'd rather have some that are wet packed anyway. Hoping those will be more similar to the original CG goodness.

[Superbad]

I ended up buying a box. I will pick up a box or so of the wet packed and put them down for a long, long sleep.

[T.G]

I shot Pete a message asking for a bit more detail on the production and I mentioned the previous "limited / exclusive nature" commentary to which Wayne and I were talking about earlier in the thread, and Pete's reply was (reprinted verbatim with permission):


The cigars will be in full production but quantities will not be huge. Maybe around 20,000 to 25,000 sticks per year max. Available to any current full line dealer. I decided to make this and maybe another, full production now that we have the tobacco to work with.

[pinotguy]

I shot Pete a message asking for a bit more detail on the production and I mentioned the previous "limited / exclusive nature" commentary to which Wayne and I were talking about earlier in the thread, and Pete's reply was (reprinted verbatim with permission):

Quote:
Originally Posted by Pete Johnson / Tatuaje
The cigars will be in full production but quantities will not be huge. Maybe around 20,000 to 25,000 sticks per year max. Available to any current full line dealer. I decided to make this and maybe another, full production now that we have the tobacco to work with.

Thanks for the additional information - very interesting. I wonder if Pete might consider a true Corona (5 1/2" x 42) in the Black Label line? This size, with something like a flag cap, would be an incredible smoke, IMO. The medium ring-gauges have always been the best "show-case" for all of the Tat blends, and I've always wondered why this specific vitola has been ignored by them.

[Smokin Gator]

Gator I grabbed two 5ers and I am sure I could share once they get here.

That would be great. Just let me know!!

[Silound]

I'd love a pair of them when they show up if anyone has some.

I didn't see this until tonight, and they're long since gone :)

[wayner123]

I shot Pete a message asking for a bit more detail on the production and I mentioned the previous "limited / exclusive nature" commentary to which Wayne and I were talking about earlier in the thread, and Pete's reply was (reprinted verbatim with permission):


Quote:
Originally Posted by Pete Johnson / Tatuaje
The cigars will be in full production but quantities will not be huge. Maybe around 20,000 to 25,000 sticks per year max. Available to any current full line dealer. I decided to make this and maybe another, full production now that we have the tobacco to work with.



Thanks for the update. At least it confirms what I was thinking earlier.

[BSB]

The guys at Tobacco Grove are GREAT! This was my home B&M, when I lived in MN. Sweet place to hang out and smoke. Unfortunately, the taxes up there are killer :mad: Of course, they don't have to pass those along, on out of state internet orders.

[azcards83]

Any updates on when these will begin shipping out?

[Brooks W]

No one knows for sure, (Pete has not nailed down a specific date), but they are expected to be in the store around the first week of Feb...

~brooks

[cigarlvr]

These sound like they are going to be an exciting release

[Ranger_B]

I am ready for the production release now so I can pick up a couple of boxes one to sit and one to taste through out a couple of years to see how it changes.

[EricF]

Can't wait for these to come out!!!!!!

[Krish the Fish]

I'm anxiously awaiting the production release of these to snag a box to put down for a long, long time. I love the Tat black blend, and can't wait to see how they would be with some more age on them, especially if they were box-aged. mmmm :)

[jovenhut]

I'd be down to buy a 5er if anyone would like to sell to me. I love lancero's and Tat blacks. A match made in heaven!

[Dukeuni]

I put my name down for the waiting list and just received a e-mail yesterday saying they have freed-up some of the PL's that other people did not want anymore. I have 5 sticks coming my way, and also asked for some Liga Privada to be sent along. Jeff (guy I spoke with on the phone) said they have both 9's and T52 Flying Pigs in stock, so I asked for a few of each of those.

[Starz26]

FYI, These are back up on the website for sale. If you were on the list and did not get contacted, you can go here to get some: http://tobaccogrove.com/index.cfm/pageid/157/familyid/135#family_135

[Krish the Fish]

Thanks for the heads up. Put in an order for a 5 pack. If I like them enough, I might forego the wait and buy a box (and get a box of the La Verités too while I'm at it).

[jovenhut]

Gone! :(

[Brooks W]

Ok guys, I just got my box this morning, and thought I would post some quick pics...sorry for the crappy quality, the studio is at home...

Surprisingly small vertical box, totally black lacquered on the outside (but NOT the inside)...
http://www.brookswhittington.net/cigars/BlackPLBox_1.JPG

The cool thing is that the word "BLACK" is lacquered INTO the paint on the back...not the easiest to see, but pretty cool...
http://www.brookswhittington.net/cigars/BlackPLBox_2.JPG

The Box opens on the top (pretty cool) and the cigars are standing straight up and down inside...
http://www.brookswhittington.net/cigars/BlackPLBox_3.JPG

Cigars are closed foot, with a pigtail on top, quite dark, and smell amazing...I will be smoking a few tonight and tom for the review tom
http://www.brookswhittington.net/cigars/BlackPLBox_4.JPG

~brooks

[grateful1]

They don't seem as rich(dark) as the OR's.

But as we know...taste will tell!

[mariogolbee]

Gone! :(
:tpd: Thanks for the heads up anyway, Eric.

[Brooks W]

Guys, these are most likely not going to taste like the ORs, if only because they don't have the age on them...and the vitola is different...

Having said that, I have only heard great things, so we will see :)

[Dukeuni]

The box looks just like the SODO's- vertical, open top, etc. One think I remembered about the SODO box was how sturdy it was.

[Krish the Fish]

I'm conflicted right now; glad I got a 5er, but sad that I didn't end up getting a box. Ah well, the wet-packed ones will be out soon :)

[e-man67]

I would like to hear a review...how do these compare to the torps? How do they compare to the CG?

[CRIMPS]

Looking forward to reading a review.

[Brutus2600]

Dammit. Now I'm a) sad I don't have more money to drop on cigars all the time and b) sad that I didn't at least pick up a 5'er!

I hope the regular release comes out soon :(

[Superbad]

I have a box coming in, that I don't think I will keep.

[quantim0]

My card got charged, but no tracking information.

[jovenhut]

I have a box coming in, that I don't think I will keep.

I am down for a fiver if you break it up :banger

[MiamiE]

I am down for a fiver if you break it up :banger

x2 :tu

[cigarlvr]

So anyone try these guys yet and the verdict is?

[TheLostGringo]

They don't seem as rich(dark) as the OR's.

But as we know...taste will tell!

Who's letting you post here?:sl

[timo]

My card got charged, but no tracking information.

Just received tracking number

[quantim0]

Just received tracking number

Nothing

[Superbad]

Nothing

No tracking # yet either. I was charged this weekend.

[issues]

I have my tracking number; should be here Friday.

[montecristo#2]

Please tell me the box does not smell like black paint.

I know the anarchy's luckily did not smell like the drac boxes.

[mariogolbee]

I have a box coming in, that I don't think I will keep.

I am down for a fiver if you break it up :banger

x2 :tu

x3 if you break them up.

[Patrick B]

Someone who's opinion I trust has said these are F#$%ING awesome. Yippee. Come on Thursday!

[Adriftpanda]

Wow 5 pages of this thing... I hope these are worth it.

[tsolomon]

Just got the FedEx tracking # and mine are due on Friday. Looking forward to warmer weather and smoking one of these. :D

[stearns]

if any of you regret buying so many, i'll help take a couple off ya hands :tu

stearns

[Brooks W]

So anyone try these guys yet and the verdict is?

Equal Parts:

"Holy ****!"
"Glad I bought a box!"
"Wish I could buy more!"

Yall will love them...

~brooks

[issues]

Equal Parts:

"Holy ****!"
"Glad I bought a box!"
"Wish I could buy more!"

Yall will love them...

~brooks

Awesome!!! :banger

I can't wait until they get here!

[Dukeuni]

Wow Brooks, way to make me feel good about my 5ver purchase! No way did I have the funds for a box right now.

-Justin

Equal Parts:

"Holy ****!"
"Glad I bought a box!"
"Wish I could buy more!"

Yall will love them...

~brooks

[Krish the Fish]

http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5018/5456085263_6c24fd434a_z.jpg

Came in earlier today.

[CRIMPS]

I just finished reading your review, Brooks. Now THAT is a REVIEW!

Great job, looking forward to the full release.

[big a]

Mine will be here tomorrow along with 3 black tubos :D

[neoflex]

Just smoked one last night and it was absolutely fantastic. I need to score more so I will be re-reading the thread to find the vendor.

[neoflex]

I have a box coming in, that I don't think I will keep.

I will jump in the group if you decided to break them up and if there is room. Smoked one and unfortunately fell in love with it.

[e-man67]

I swapped a buddy for one of these and while it is better than the torp it didn't do a lot for me. I liked the closed foot wrapper flavor..that sugary spicy uniqueness about it..but after about an inch it got really boring and then half way through there was literally nothing at all..no flavor to speak of. I thought it was just me but I had 2 other dudes try it and it was the same result. I must say I think the regular noella is a whole lot better..for my tastes at least.

[neoflex]

So when are these supposed to become regular production? I sent Pete a message on Facebook asking this very question and got no response. :rolleyes: Go figure! Smoked one this past weekend and now I must get more.:dr

[Brooks W]

So when are these supposed to become regular production? I sent Pete a message on Facebook asking this very question and got no response. :rolleyes: Go figure! Smoked one this past weekend and now I must get more.:dr

They are supposed to be released right after the show in Vegas, along with (perhaps) the PR vitola as well...

~brooks

[cigarmonkel]

where these a limited release?

[neoflex]

Dammit, I was hoping for a shorter wait for that as I have not been able to get the one I smoked this weekend off my mind all week.:sad Thanks for the info Brooks!

[Starz26]

where these a limited release?

This run was. The regular release will have a clean foot and will not have a pigtail. It will also be wet packed..

[cigarmonkel]

This run was. The regular release will have a clean foot and will not have a pigtail. It will also be wet packed..

hmm what exactly is this wet packed you speak of? never heard of it, i think they should make them all have a covered foot, adds that extra deliciousness off the first few puffs and its oh so worth it :dr

[neoflex]

i think they should make them all have a covered foot:dr
:tpd: I agree as the closed foot is a characteristic of the Black.:sh

[cigarmonkel]

:tpd: I agree as the closed foot is a characteristic of the Black.:sh

very true, anyone know why they stopped? well, i suppose the black tubo has a covered foot but from what i've heard the tubo's don't even compare to any of the other blacks.

[Starz26]

hmm what exactly is this wet packed you speak of? never heard of it, i think they should make them all have a covered foot, adds that extra deliciousness off the first few puffs and its oh so worth it :dr

Wet packing is when the wrap freshly rolled cigars in foil. The theory is that it imrove the aging of the stick since all the freshness (for lack of a better way for me to say it) is kept in the cigar......

YMMV

[cigarmonkel]

Wet packing is when the wrap freshly rolled cigars in foil. The theory is that it imrove the aging of the stick since all the freshness (for lack of a better way for me to say it) is kept in the cigar......

YMMV

aahhh kinda like illusione MJ12. thats a pretty cool idea, but does it actually work? first thing that comes to mind is higher chance of mold on the cigar.

[Brooks W]

very true, anyone know why they stopped? well, i suppose the black tubo has a covered foot but from what i've heard the tubo's don't even compare to any of the other blacks.

Well, it is true that most of the Black Label releases have a covered foot, not all of them do...Here is a photo of every Black Label that has been released...

See here (sorry for the logo, I am lazy and just stole the pics from my review of the PL) From Left to right:

* Corona Gorda (Original Bundle-Closed Foot)
* Corona Gorda (Jar Release-Closed Foot)
* Robusto (1st Event Pack-Closed Foot)
* CRA Toro(Closed Foot)
* Tubo (Closed Foot)
* Corona Gorda (2nd Event Pack-Clean Cut Foot)
* Robusto (2nd Event Pack-Clean Cut Foot)
* Petit Robusot (2nd Release Pack-Clean Cut Foot)
* Petite Lancero (Closed Foot)


http://thesmokingstogie.squarespace.com/storage/Tatuaje_BlackLabel_PL_%205%20of%2016.jpg?__SQUARES PACE_CACHEVERSION=1297958033419

http://thesmokingstogie.squarespace.com/storage/Tatuaje_BlackLabel_PL_%206%20of%2016.jpg?__SQUARES PACE_CACHEVERSION=1297958063532

So, all of releases other then the three cigars in the New Event Pack (New CG, New Robusto and PR) have covered feet...Pete has said he made those with a clean foot to differentiate between them and the ORs in the same size...

Hope that helps!

~brooks

[neoflex]

Great photos Brooks and at the same time not making the wait any easier.:r

[big a]

I just smoke one of these last weekend when I got them. It was my first Tat Black and now I see why so many people love them. I can not even imagine how good some of the ORs one were. I wish I would have got a box and not a 5er.

[slimboli]

A Quick heads up, folks!

I just got this email a few minutes ago ...

Two rare gems for sale by the box right now:

1) Arturo Fuente 8-5-8 Sun Grown. Box of 25 Cigars for $199.00

2) Tatuaje Black Label Petit Lancero. Upright box of 25 at $219.99

They are not listing these on the web ... they are an e-mail list only special! Please call them toll free at (877) 550-5020 soon ... as they will be gone quickly!


Ernie Q.
www.watchcitycigar.com

[688sonarmen]

:tf

[slimboli]

Also found them here ... for those interested (at a lower price).

http://www.smokeinn.com/eshop/Tatuaje-Black-Petit-Lancero.html

[WittyUserName]

Friday I picked up a box of Tat Black PL for 149 shipped from CAYP.

[kelmac07]

Friday I picked up a box of Tat Black PL for 149 shipped from CAYP.

Today you can grab a box for $ 145.00. :D Couldn't pass that price up.

[688sonarmen]

141.67$ is the lowest they will go.

[kelmac07]

141.67$ is the lowest they will go.

Real hard to beat $ 5.67 a stick for a Tat Black PL. :D

[slimboli]

Friday I picked up a box of Tat Black PL for 149 shipped from CAYP.

CAYP - Capital Alliance of Young Professionals, Inc. ????????????????

[kelmac07]

CAYP - Capital Alliance of Young Professionals, Inc. ????????????????

CigarsAtYourPrice.com

[WittyUserName]

Today you can grab a box for $ 145.00. :D Couldn't pass that price up.

:tu

[DPD6030]

Love CAYP :tu
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[Brutus2600]

141.67$ is the lowest they will go.

Yeah, I picked up a cab of the Tat PCR's for $145 a couple weeks back when I ran out. Since most places have those listed close to $200...that's a pretty dang good deal. I know where I'll be picking up a box of the BPL's when I run out of my first box.

[MiamiE]

I bought three boxes from CAYP! You guys are blowing up my spot! :r

[Brutus2600]

Judging from the order number from my first order there soon after they announced it here (281) and my last order there (1419), I think that CYAP is getting most of it's traffic from us...it doesn't look like the CYAP part of their operations does much volume. Of course maybe I'm confused as to what high volume is for a cigar site :p lol

So don't worry Erick, your secret is safe with us :r:r

[MiamiE]

Haha. Thanks! At $145 they're a steal. No question about it.

[kafreeman]

I bought three boxes from CAYP! You guys are blowing up my spot! :r

Ive been waitin for the damn things to be in stock for months...

Not that it matters as they'll ship it when they get it...

[kafreeman]

Judging from the order number from my first order there soon after they announced it here (281) and my last order there (1419), I think that CYAP is getting most of it's traffic from us...it doesn't look like the CYAP part of their operations does much volume. Of course maybe I'm confused as to what high volume is for a cigar site :p lol

So don't worry Erick, your secret is safe with us :r:r

1623 around noon today.

Not to mention the two other sites they have...