Anyone know Parafumar?

[Superbad]

If you know him, I would appreciate a PM. I paid him for some cigars over a month ago. I have tried his email, and no response. Unfortunately he hasn't been on since a few days after I paid him. I have all but given up on ever getting the cigars I paid for. I learned my lesson and will never use P-pal gift again. Well just wanted to get this off my chest so I can start the new year off fresh :tu

[Bill86]

You won't get them. I'm 99% sure he's a known scammer yet me try to dig up something.


EDIT PM Inbound.

[Scottw]

I know he is scammer from another sight and supposedly was running for public official. I will try to procure more intelligence for you.

[Bill86]

I got him covered Scott. But yes I remember where I saw that name....Definitely a known scammer.

[Scottw]

Just looking to help Bill. CP is where I heard about him as well

[Bill86]

Just looking to help Bill. CP is where I heard about him as well

Yeah I sent you the same PM, trying to save you some time searching :r Yes I am that bored. :r

[pnoon]

If I am not mistaken, this is him on Facebook.
www.RickOnFacebook.com.
I think it is him but I am not certain.

[kelmac07]

Hoping everything works out Bobby.

[Tone-NY]

He made the list. http://www.scumbagslist.com/

[Superbad]

Thanks everyone. I left him negative feedback. I checked before doing the trade, hopefully I prevent someone else from making that mistake.

[Superbad]

If I am not mistaken, this is him on Facebook.
www.RickOnFacebook.com.
I think it is him but I am not certain.

Wow, let's elect another crook :td

Any reason a known scammer is not banned here? I wouldnt think someone on the "scumbags list" is really going to a good fit for here, then again it is an asylum ;)

[MiamiE]

He's a scammer. Theres a huge thread on another forum about this. I think Bills got you covered!

[Springsman]

If you used p@yP@l...can't you get your money back?

[Superbad]

If you used p@yP@l...can't you get your money back?

Yes, but not if you use "gift" or some of the other methods. Thankfully I was only buying 10 cigars at what seemed like a good price. I am only out about $90. Lesson learned. Unfortunately for him, I have friends who will now have him on their radar.

[acarr]

I also paid him over a month ago and got nothing.

[Whee]

If I am not mistaken, this is him on Facebook.
www.RickOnFacebook.com (http://www.RickOnFacebook.com).
I think it is him but I am not certain.

There is a post over in the ocean, by him, listing this as his site.

Just sayin'...:D

Can the orderlies please come and decontaminate my room now?:r

[acarr]

If I am not mistaken, this is him on Facebook.
www.RickOnFacebook.com.
I think it is him but I am not certain.

That is certainly him. I just check my hey gal account.

[icehog3]

Any reason a known scammer is not banned here? I wouldnt think someone on the "scumbags list" is really going to a good fit for here, then again it is an asylum ;)

Yes, because today is the first time any of this has been brought to our (The ToE's) attention.

[Superbad]

Yes, because today is the first time any of this has been brought to our (The ToE's) attention.
I guess I should have said "Any reason not to ban him?"

Thanks Icehog!

[DrDubzz]

If I am not mistaken, this is him on Facebook.
www.RickOnFacebook.com.
I think it is him but I am not certain.

is it time to spam the hell out of his facebook wall? I think so

[acarr]

is it time to spam the hell out of his facebook wall? I think so

:tu

[icehog3]

I guess I should have said "Any reason not to ban him?"

Thanks Icehog!

Now we investigate and then try to reach out to parafumar, Bobby. You and anyone else who feel you got stiffed on CA by him please PM me the details, including any PMs from parafumar.

[pnoon]

Now we investigate and then try to reach out to parafumar, Bobby. You and anyone else who feel you got stiffed on CA by him please PM me the details, including any PMs from parafumar.

Also, a link to the WTS thread would be helpful. :2

[icehog3]

Also, a link to the WTS thread would be helpful. :2

It is in the ToE forum, Peter.

[icehog3]

E-mail sent to Rick (parafumar) to try to resolve this. Please don't turn this thread into a flame fest, just post if you are affected or have some knowledge of Rick's status. Thank you.

[icehog3]

I received an e-mail from Rick today. He said he just got out of the hospital after an extended stay, and hopes to get all cigars out later this week. He asked me to pass this message along to the Asylum.

[Superbad]

Thanks Tom.

[Superbad]

No contact from him. It is not looking too good on this one. :td

[acarr]

No contact from him either.

[icehog3]

Sent a follow up e-mail today.

[Superbad]

Thanks Tom!

[Eleven]

This guy is a sitting congressman?

[icehog3]

Reply from Rick to an inquiry if packages had been sent:

I’ve got them all packed, but I’ve been snowed in since Monday (we don’t do snow and ice in TN like up north). Planned to send them then.



Anyway once I drop them off I plan to send out individual DC numbers to the guys. I’m at the mercy of the road crews getting up the ridge to me though.



RK

[icehog3]

Please don't turn this thread into a flame fest, just post if you are affected or have some knowledge of Rick's status. Thank you.

:)

[SvilleKid]

Reply from Rick to an inquiry if packages had been sent:

If he's in middle Tennessee, he is absolutely correct about getting out! Yesterday was the first day our mail actually ran/could get thru to our house this week. This wasn't a snow problem in Alabama, Tennessee and Georgia. It was 1/4 to 1/2 inch of ice, then 4-12 inches of snow, then another 1/4 to 1/2 inch of ice. Until the melt started today, I could walk on top of 6 inches of snow, and the ice layer would only crack if I kicked it in with a heel of my boot! And, in the south, they just do not have the equipment to deal with this kinda mess. I don't know the seller involved here, but, just backing you up here, Tom, from someone stuck in this snow mess. Thank God for the global warming that will be happening over the next 3 days!

[poker]

The good news is at least he is in contact with Tom via email about the situation.

[icehog3]

Thank God for the global warming that will be happening over the next 3 days!

I won't be at all sorry if global warming finds its way to Chicago soon, Cliff. :r

[Superbad]

This guy is a sitting congressman?

No, he lost the election.

[Superbad]

Still nothing from him.

[Zeuceone]

Don't hold your breath.

[bobarian]

Don't hold your breath.

Why would you make such a comment? Do you have a dog in this fight or prior experience with this seller? If not then your commentary is neither appreciated or necessary. :bh

[Superbad]

Don't hold your breath.

I am not. I was just informing the people following the thread, that despite his assertions to Icehog3, he has not contacted me.

[icehog3]

Don't hold your breath.

E-mail sent to Rick (parafumar) to try to resolve this. Please don't turn this thread into a flame fest, just post if you are affected or have some knowledge of Rick's status. Thank you.


It would be nice to keep this open for the affected parties to deal with this, but we will shut it down if it turns into this BS.

[acarr]

Has anybody had any updates about this? I still have not heard a word.

[icehog3]

I have not heard back since 1/14.

[Tio Gato]

Sometimes good people do bad things. Sometimes good people find themselves in situations that they can't control. Sometimes good people can't do the right thing because of personal difficulties, even if they want too. Maybe this brother isn't well, he's said he'd make it right. He should get the benefit of the doubt for a while.:2

[icehog3]

He told me a month ago he had been hospitalized, Jeff. He also told me he would have them out in a week. Two weeks later, he said he would have them out that week. His "benefit of the doubt" is starting to run low. :2

[Superbad]

I just don't believe he has any plans on making good on this. He could have contacted Icehog3 or better yet, Acarr and myself. To let us know the deal. I think he is just another scammer, if he makes good I will retract that statement, but at this point it doesn't appear likely.

[icehog3]

It is a shame because we can ban him from the Asylum for not making good, but that won't help Bobby or Andrew get their stuff. It is inevitable though if he continues to ignore his obligations.

[Superbad]

Tom,
I appreciate your help. The thing that bugs me about this, is not the money, its the scammer who came and sullied "our board" (Actually the ToE's, but you know what I mean) and tried to wreck the good vibe here. By taking advantage of the kindness between members here.

I still love this place.
Thanks for everything, Team of Eleven!

[pnoon]

Tom,
I appreciate your help. The thing that bugs me about this, is not the money, its the scammer who came and sullied "our board" (Actually the ToE's, but you know what I mean) and tried to wreck the good vibe here. By taking advantage of the kindness between members here.

I still love this place.
Thanks for everything, Team of Eleven!

Just to clarify, Bobby.

It IS your board. Without the membership making it what it is, CA would just be 11 FOGs hangin' out.

And no matter what we do, there will always be those who will take advantage of others. We can only try to minimize it.

[Superbad]

Just to clarify, Bobby.

It IS your board. Without the membership making it what it is, CA would just be 11 FOGs hangin' out.

And no matter what we do, there will always be those who will take advantage of others. We can only try to minimize it.

You guys do a great job! Thanks! :tu :tu

[docdoty]

I just found this thread and I have also been taken by "parafumar" I have sent many emails and messages to him but I have not heard back from him since a few days after I send the money to him.

[Superbad]

Damn. I am sorry Justin!

[docdoty]

Me too, its been over a month and a half since i paid for them so what can a man do but smoke another cigar and write it off as a lesson learned, an almost $400 dollar lesson though. It's more about the principal than the money though.

[Superbad]

Acarr and I are in that same boat with you. Come on aboard, sit down have a rum, and a cigar.

[docdoty]

I think I will join you bobby, I just may light another one up in a minute. Chair, check. Drink, Check. Cigars I think I might be able to find one to smoke just not the ones from him. hahaha

[x man]

He got me for 226.00 on Thanksgiving.

[docdoty]

And the list is growing. Sorry Art. Im going to guess that you went for the aged opus that he had.

[acarr]

So the plot is thickening. I was hoping it was just the two of us. Now it seems there may be a few more.

[docdoty]

I think that there is more that haven't found this thread yet. I just found it this evening.

[Superbad]

Isn't there a pretty good B&M in Chattanooga? I wonder if they know this guy. Might be good to let them know the type of person he is. Maybe spread a little shame in his direction.

[x man]

And the list is growing. Sorry Art. Im going to guess that you went for the aged opus that he had.

Actually, i went for the CC`s, as i didnt have the ones he listed.

[icehog3]

My last e-mail has been ignored. I wish we could do more to help you all out, things liker this really stink. The matter has been put to the ToE for a decision on Parafumar....unfortunately, banning him will serve little purpose as he doesn't even show his face here anymore...but I think it's a step we must take. :2

[fissure]

He's already on the scumbag list, down near the bottom. Good site to check before sending your money to anyone that no one can vouch for.

http://scumbagslist.com/

[Blueface]

He's already on the scumbag list, down near the bottom. Good site to check before sending your money to anyone that no one can vouch for.

http://scumbagslist.com/

Wow, added back in October.

[pnoon]

He's already on the scumbag list, down near the bottom. Good site to check before sending your money to anyone that no one can vouch for.

http://scumbagslist.com/
Take the list with more than a few grains of salt. While parafumar and others on there deserve to be there, the method by which folks make the list is a joke.

Check out some of the "reasons" for making the list -posting Cuban sources; late on a Secret Santa obligation.

All I am saying here is don't treat the list as gospel. While it is well known, it is by no means an authoritative source.

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[Wanger]

Take the list with more than a few grains of salt. While parafumar and others on there deserve to be there, the method by which folks make the list is a joke.

Check out some of the "reasons" for making the list -posting Cuban sources; late on a Secret Santa obligation.

All I am saying here is don't treat the list as gospel. While it is well known, it is by no means an authoritative source.

:2
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I agree with that. I know of at least one person who made good on the issue that got them there, and it couldn't take them off it. Sometimes, it is "mob mentality" that can get a person on there. Though there are some people who VERY deservedly end up on the list.

That's my :2

[Superbad]

I got a PM from Parafumar today, with a DC# and apology. I will reserve judgement for a few days.

[docdoty]

I just got one as well.

[jitzy]

Take the list with more than a few grains of salt. While parafumar and others on there deserve to be there, the method by which folks make the list is a joke.

Check out some of the "reasons" for making the list -posting Cuban sources; late on a Secret Santa obligation.

All I am saying here is don't treat the list as gospel. While it is well known, it is by no means an authoritative source.

:2
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Very true but still a lot of guys are on there because they deserve it, guys need to read the reason they are on there and not just the name.

[pnoon]

Very true but still a lot of guys are on there because they deserve it, guys need to read the reason they are on there and not just the name.
I don't disagree that many on the list deserve to be there. But the description alone doesn't tell the whole story. And if there were extenuating circumstances and the person eventually made things whole, do the list adminstrators remove the entry and/or issue an apology? Of course not. All I am saying is that the mechanics of the list is severely flawed.
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[Bill86]

I have to agree with Mr Pnoon. Some of the reasonings on that list are pretty bad. HOWEVER it is a valuable tool if you use it for what it is for, and read the reason people are on it. I would prefer it if had more information on it. Everything is pretty simple and vague.


Example - People gouging and re-selling. Sure it's not cool but does that make them a "scumbag" or a bad trader. Nope.

[jitzy]

I don't disagree that many on the list deserve to be there. But the description alone doesn't tell the whole story. And if there were extenuating circumstances and the person eventually made things whole, do the list adminstrators remove the entry and/orissue an apology? Of course not. All I am saying is that the mechanics of the list is severely flawed.
:2
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Oh I do agree and I think the biggest thing they should do is give more of the story as to why the guy got put on there in the first place. As far as removing them I don't know, did the person make right cause they got caught or did the person make right cause they felt they themselves did the wrong thing? The whole reason of outing a cuban source is a stupid reason for being put on the list getting someone banned from a board sure but it has nothing to do with trading.

[jitzy]

I have to agree with Mr Pnoon. Some of the reasonings on that list are pretty bad. HOWEVER it is a valuable tool if you use it for what it is for, and read the reason people are on it. I would prefer it if had more information on it. Everything is pretty simple and vague.


Example - People gouging and re-selling. Sure it's not cool but does that make them a "scumbag" or a bad trader. Nope.

I actually do think that makes them a scumbag, if they have a business then great but if there whole purpose is to come to the boards is to make money off a botl then yes they belong there.

[pnoon]

Ideally, if the intent is to protect the cigar community as a whole, there should be representative from each of the larger boards who can work together to administer the list. It would be of much greater value if it had more credibilty. As it exists now, the use is minimal.
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[Bill86]

I believe someone was on there as a business that bought boxes from people and resold them. I think that has nothing to do with being scammed or not. The reasonings on that list go from minimal to a VERY extreme. I feel that some of the lesser offenders being put on the same list as say....parafumar, while we're on topic here, he's ripped off what 5-7 people? While others are on there for outing sources, being late on trades. Sure it sucks and I wouldn't necessarily want to deal with them but without a further story.........Hard to say. Who owns the list anyways? I'm sure it's not admins of any boards or anyone with ANY authority. Just a few peoples opinions.

EDIT and Pnoon said just what I was typing.

[acarr]

I got a PM from Parafumar today, with a DC# and apology. I will reserve judgement for a few days.

:tu I did also!

[docdoty]

:tu I did also!

Looks like we all got contacted by him today. I have checked the DC several times and there is no information about them yet. It should be up at least within the next few hrs. We shall see gentalmen

[pektel]

I normally give 24 hours for any type of update by the USPS tracking system.

[Blueface]

I normally give 24 hours for any type of update by the USPS tracking system.

I have seen many times where not much appears until delivered, specially if the after hours machine is used.

[forgop]

I got a PM from Parafumar today, with a DC# and apology. I will reserve judgement for a few days.

I've seen posted DC's before (not necessarily here) that were never shipped, only to be "donated to the troops" instead.

[forgop]

I believe someone was on there as a business that bought boxes from people and resold them.


I think I remember seeing a guy on the list for buying cc's and then breaking them up into 5ers or whatever and more or less pocketing enough out of selling (4) 5ers in order to give himself a 5er of said box for "free".

That may upset some people, but people don't want to take into consideration the person who placed the order took all of the risk should a package get seized. If I had a stiff fine for making a purchase on a split, do you think any of those people would step up and share the cost? Me neither...

[Starscream]

I've seen posted DC's before (not necessarily here) that were never shipped, only to be "donated to the troops" instead.

That's what I was just thinking. Hope it works out for all involved.

[LostAbbott]

Any update on this? I know you probably don't have the sticks, but is the dc legit?

[Superbad]

The DC for mine is 0310 2010 0000 1337 4742 It just came up as accepted tonight in Chattanooga. It is supposed to arrive Saturday. I will post then.

[docdoty]

I just checked my and it was also accepted in TN, today.

[Superbad]

Well what do you know, I GOT MY STICKS TODAY!!!! WAY Late, but they are here. Thanks for all the support and help, everyone.

[pektel]

Great news, Superbad!
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[forgop]

Well what do you know, I GOT MY STICKS TODAY!!!! WAY Late, but they are here. Thanks for all the support and help, everyone.

:np

Interested to see what the long wait was for.

[longknocker]

Well what do you know, I GOT MY STICKS TODAY!!!! WAY Late, but they are here. Thanks for all the support and help, everyone.

Good News, Bobby!:tu

[pnoon]

Well what do you know, I GOT MY STICKS TODAY!!!! WAY Late, but they are here. Thanks for all the support and help, everyone.

Great news, Booby.

Looks like we all got contacted by him today. I have checked the DC several times and there is no information about them yet. It should be up at least within the next few hrs. We shall see gentalmen

Let us know when you get your smokes, Justin.
Then we can close the book on this and move on.

[massphatness]

Well what do you know, I GOT MY STICKS TODAY!!!! WAY Late, but they are here. Thanks for all the support and help, everyone.

Don't forget to leave trader feedback!! :D
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[LostAbbott]

:O:np:rlz

[forgop]

Don't forget to leave trader feedback!! :D
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:r:r:r

[Superbad]

Don't forget to leave trader feedback!! :D
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Left it a month ago or so, but I am not removing it. I might add a "finally delivered feedback..."

[icehog3]

Please don't turn this thread into a flame fest, just post if you are affected or have some knowledge of Rick's status. Thank you.

:)

[Superbad]

I did want to add that the cigars had no aroma, and are quite dried out. I am hopeful that I can salvage them with a long deep dark sleep. Justin mentioned his were also pretty banged up and dried out. I was not surprised by their condition.

[acarr]

I received mine yesterday. Dried and really banged up. Hopefully I can salvage them.

[pnoon]

It seems the packages have been delivered - albeit in less than desirable condition. If there is anyone else who is still owed cigars by this guy, PM me or another admin.