B&M ettiquete question

[kydsid]

so im sitting in the b&m with a cigar and football and a new female employee comes in to work. she walks through the store and now all i can smell and indeed taste is her damn perfume. is this something i can tell her not to wear, especially now that she is stinking up the humidor. or should i tell her coworker or the owner in of course a vaque way.

ps really sucks cause shes cute as hell
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[icehog3]

Send her to my place for a shower and a "lesson", Jason. :)

[kelmac07]

Send her to my place for a shower and a "lesson", Jason. :)

:r :r :r

[CigarNut]

I would constructively tell her -- something like "I really like your perfume, but it makes it difficult for me to detect the subtle odors and flavors of the cigars".

If that does not work I would tell the owner the same thing. Don't tell the co-worker -- it puts him/her in the middle of something that is not really their business.

[Bill86]

Send her to my place for a shower and a "lesson", Jason. :)

Something tells me the humidor would have a different funky smell.....

[icehog3]

Something tells me the humidor would have a different funky smell.....

If by "funky", you mean "awesome", then yes....yes it would. :)

[NCRadioMan]

I would discreetly talk with the owner about it and not say anything to her, at all. I'm sure the owner will understand.

[kydsid]

and she smokes cigars and has good taste ie it isnt an acid, gah.


hog, provided you dont like seconds. even my gf thinks shes cute. ;)
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[hotreds]

I would discreetly talk with the owner about it and not say anything to her, at all. I'm sure the owner will understand.

:tpd: He should be made aware that she's overpowering everything with her perfume.

[CigarGuy88]

:np :D

[icehog3]

and she smokes cigars and has good taste ie it isnt an acid, gah.


hog, provided you dont like seconds. even my gf thinks shes cute. ;)
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If you weren't my friend, I'd suggest you have your gf drive her over. ;)

[hscmit]

I would constructively tell her -- something like "I really like your perfume, but it makes it difficult for me to detect the subtle odors and flavors of the cigars".

If that does not work I would tell the owner the same thing. Don't tell the co-worker -- it puts him/her in the middle of something that is not really their business.

perfect answer

[MedicCook]

If you weren't my friend, I'd suggest you have your gf drive her over. ;)

:=:

[sikk50]

"We now offer stripper flavored cigars!"

New marketing campagn? I think so! Better patten it before Johnnathan Drew sees this!

[mosesbotbol]

I would constructively tell her -- something like "I really like your perfume, but it makes it difficult for me to detect the subtle odors and flavors of the cigars".

That is about all you can do. You can preface that it does smell nice, but is not "right" for this setting. I think she'll get it and not take offense.

[neoflex]

If you weren't my friend, I'd suggest you have your gf drive her over. ;)
Now that was the perfect answer.:D

[Stinky]

They might as well put up a big billboard that says:

This girl just doesn't get it!

( . . . the "IT" would be this whole cigar thingy )

Did you know:
Cigar factory workers are not allowed to wear any type of perfume or cologne because tobacco will absorb slight odors.
And this guy calls himself a Tobacconist?

Hey! This is just my opinion. If her perfume is so strong that you can smell it in a cigar smoking lounge. . . she just doesn't have a clue and probably never will. An overly strong dose of perfume means she needs (and wants) to be noticed. Also just my opinion. She won't make it unless her response to "Loose the Perfume, honey." is met with understanding.

What should YOU do? Wait until you and the owner are alone without anyone within earshot. Be very clear. Be very decisive. Be brief. Again, just my personal opinion. I just don't like it when anyone (man or woman) wearing an overpowering coating of perfume/cologne. . . even outside a cigar/tobacco shop. To me, a woman with 'class' wears only a "hint" of perfume you detect when you're close. Too much perfume tends to make a woman seem "cheap" . . . Again, just my opinion. And what I'd tell the owner; "Next time I get a nose full of her perfume, it will be my last time here."

Ok. I shared my honest opinion . . . now let er rip!

[loki]

just start coughing and giving her the stink eye every time she's around

[Matt-N-Ga]

just start coughing and giving her the stink eye every time she's around

HAHAHAHA, I'll bet she doesn't get it

[dwoodward]

They might as well put up a big billboard that says:

This girl just doesn't get it!

( . . . the "IT" would be this whole cigar thingy )

Did you know:
Cigar factory workers are not allowed to wear any type of perfume or cologne because tobacco will absorb slight odors.
And this guy calls himself a Tobacconist?

Hey! This is just my opinion. If her perfume is so strong that you can smell it in a cigar smoking lounge. . . she just doesn't have a clue and probably never will. An overly strong dose of perfume means she needs (and wants) to be noticed. Also just my opinion. She won't make it unless her response to "Loose the Perfume, honey." is met with understanding.

What should YOU do? Wait until you and the owner are alone without anyone within earshot. Be very clear. Be very decisive. Be brief. Again, just my personal opinion. I just don't like it when anyone (man or woman) wearing an overpowering coating of perfume/cologne. . . even outside a cigar/tobacco shop. To me, a woman with 'class' wears only a "hint" of perfume you detect when you're close. Too much perfume tends to make a woman seem "cheap" . . . Again, just my opinion. And what I'd tell the owner; "Next time I get a nose full of her perfume, it will be my last time here."

Ok. I shared my honest opinion . . . now let er rip!

This is EXACTLY what I was thinking the whole time reading the replies. Cute or not, she is doing a huge No-No for the cigar industry. She needs to drop the perfume or fine a new profession. I would be all over the owner of the cigar shop about it and be very clear that her overpowering perfume is not very appealing for serious cigar shoppers.

[icehog3]

She won't make it unless her response to "Loose the Perfume, honey." is met with understanding.



She might be even more likely to be understanding if she isn't greeted with a condescending label. ;)

[Stinky]

Oh come on, Tom! I share my honest opinion and you zoom in on my attempt to be brief on how to tell her to loose the perfume?

Ok. You're right.
;s
A more appropriate presentation would be something on the order of: "Excuse me, Miss (insert name). We've noticed you wear a lot of perfume. You see, the enjoyment of fine cigars is about the essence of flavors and aroma. People who enjoy fine cigars often find the excessive perfume somewhat of a distraction and perhaps even a bit offensive in this environment. Would you please consider using less perfume when you are scheduled to work here?"

Happy now?

[icehog3]

I am always happy, Dan. :)

And you did say, " now let er rip!" ;)

[Bill86]

I think you want her to LOSE the perfume. I agree but eh...if shes hot I'd say lose the perfume or the shirt...either/or and I'll come back for one reason or the other.

[kydsid]

This is EXACTLY what I was thinking the whole time reading the replies. Cute or not, she is doing a huge No-No for the cigar industry. She needs to drop the perfume or fine a new profession. I would be all over the owner of the cigar shop about it and be very clear that her overpowering perfume is not very appealing for serious cigar shoppers.

That is something I have been thinking about. I have become a regular and there are many other regulars. But none of them reach our level, if you get the compliment. ;)

That and the fact they all smoke out of the B&M humidor. Now maybe its because the owner and manager were 'nice' to them just like me in stating their preference to smoke their cigars. Of course I explain that I spend an average of $10-20 a visit and they say thanks. But I swear one more excuse me about the cigars I choose to bring (no bands btw) and with this on top of it I will need a new B&M. Which sucks as it is very nice and two blocks away. The next store of this calliber is miles away.




I think you want her to LOSE the perfume. I agree but eh...if shes hot I'd say lose the perfume or the shirt...either/or and I'll come back for one reason or the other.



Haha, now that is what I am talking about. :tu

[kydsid]

If you weren't my friend, I'd suggest you have your gf drive her over. ;)

Sorry. You'll just have to come meet us yourself.


Sincerely,

Kelly

[Shadow]

I had a husband and wife come into the shop a couple of months ago. As they walked by me all I could smell was the wife's perfume(very strong!). As he got ready to walk in the humidor he turned and asked his wife to stay out while he went in. She got a quizzical look on her face and asked him why she could not go in. He came right out and told her that she would stick up the humidor and the cigars with her perfume!

She got mad and stormed out of the store. The husband got his cigars came out and as I was ringing him up he apologized to me for her. I just thanked him.

As far as I know he's still alive!

[mosesbotbol]

I would not ban any perfume from her wearing, but she has to understand that if it can be smelled more than 3' from her, it's way too much. Often we are desensitized by the fragrances we wear most often. We think the fragrance is fading, but it is not.

It’s not like the cigar B&M’s are making money hand over fist, so owners should be appreciative of their employees and especially a pretty one who may add value beyond just cigar knowledge.

[icehog3]

Sorry. You'll just have to come meet us yourself.


Sincerely,

Kelly

:D :xxx

[insanebikerboy]

"We now offer stripper flavored cigars!"


Desperation combined with a hint crack?

[marge796]

They might as well put up a big billboard that says:

This girl just doesn't get it!

( . . . the "IT" would be this whole cigar thingy )

Did you know:
Cigar factory workers are not allowed to wear any type of perfume or cologne because tobacco will absorb slight odors.
And this guy calls himself a Tobacconist?

Hey! This is just my opinion. If her perfume is so strong that you can smell it in a cigar smoking lounge. . . she just doesn't have a clue and probably never will. An overly strong dose of perfume means she needs (and wants) to be noticed. Also just my opinion. She won't make it unless her response to "Loose the Perfume, honey." is met with understanding.

What should YOU do? Wait until you and the owner are alone without anyone within earshot. Be very clear. Be very decisive. Be brief. Again, just my personal opinion. I just don't like it when anyone (man or woman) wearing an overpowering coating of perfume/cologne. . . even outside a cigar/tobacco shop. To me, a woman with 'class' wears only a "hint" of perfume you detect when you're close. Too much perfume tends to make a woman seem "cheap" . . . Again, just my opinion. And what I'd tell the owner; "Next time I get a nose full of her perfume, it will be my last time here."

Ok. I shared my honest opinion . . . now let er rip!



:tu

[Brutus2600]

It isn't good practice to wear strong scented perfumes/cologne in most workplace environments, much less at a cigar shop. Many people are allergic or get very bad headaches when presented with such strong scented stuff in small environments (an office, humidor, whatever). The fact that it's ruining your cigar smoking experience is just one more reason she shouldn't be wearing such strong perfume.

In my opinion you should talk to the owner. It's not your place to tell her how she should wear her perfume, however it is her bosses job to do so. Just put it nicely, mention how otherwise she's a great employee, just that the perfume is getting in the way of your cigar experience. He should be understanding and take care of the issue.

Oh, and as others have said...

http://cdn3.knowyourmeme.com/i/23640/original/post-tits-or-gtfo.jpg?1256188599

:r

;s hehe, just kidding, don't gtfo out of your own thread, but srsly, :np

[sikk50]

Desperation combined with a hint crack?

No no no, too much perfume, makeup, and glitter. :noon

[insanebikerboy]

No no no, too much perfume, makeup, and glitter. :noon

Dang, I guess I hang out at the wrong type of strip clubs then! :pu

[ninjavanish]

My advice, Having worked in and managed cigar stores in which women were employed... And actually having to have this same discussion on multiple occasions with different ones...

If she is the manager/owner you will need to go directly to her and have a frank, direct conversation with her about it. If she is simply an employee it's a slightly tougher nut to crack... if this is the case:

Simply asking her will not work. EVER. DO NOT DO THAT. DANGER DANGER!

The last thing you want is to create any animosity between you and the people who are there to serve you. If she is professional and you approach her boss and her boss asks then it's one thing she will have to comply with from an employment standpoint... conveniently enough this is also probably the best method of alleviating the problem discreetly.

If she is an employee and you ask her directly you run an extremely high risk of offending her and jeopardizing the experience you have there.

Just as the employees of a cigar store should respect the customers, the customers should also respect those who are there to serve them.

Hope that helps.

[Research-Colin]

good advice here. Have you said anything to the owner or her yet? Very interesting.

[357]

lots of good suggestions, yet no pictures...

I must reiterate
:np

[neoflex]

Pics, or this issue does not exist.;s:r

[md4958]

For me it would really depend on how hot she is... seriously.


Also, if she's not hot enough I would talk to her boss about either getting somebody hotter, or asking her to town down the perfume.

[Volt]

lots of good suggestions, yet no pictures...

I must reiterate
:np

Pics, or this issue does not exist.;s:r

:rlz .357 and Neo are quite correct.

[kydsid]

this place is full of too many hormones :r

i havent been back. will try to go tonight. maybe the gf can give an excuse to take a pic. but i wont post it without permission.
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[icehog3]

this place is full of too many hormones :r

i havent been back. will try to go tonight. maybe the gf can give an excuse to take a pic. but i wont post it without permission.
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Oh, no worries Jason....you have my permission to post it. :D

[kydsid]

Oh, no worries Jason....you have my permission to post it. :D

im sure right up to the point where my gf and the b&m girl arent in the same pic, then ill have to ask permission to postthat one too.
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[pektel]

Well, have her and your gf light up, and tell her the guys at CA don't believe you that you hang out with chicks who smoke cigars, and you want to take a pic as proof.

[Powers]

Well, have her and your gf light up, and tell her the guys at CA don't believe you that you hang out with chicks who smoke cigars, and you want to take a pic as proof.

:r

:noon

[LooseCard]

I would discreetly talk with the owner about it and not say anything to her, at all. I'm sure the owner will understand.
This is correct, but I would do hold this conversation when she (the worker) isn't working. By gently discussing this with the owner, while the employee is not there, allows the owner a chance to notice the experience of the strength - and doesn't give her the opportunity to associate the criticism with coming from you.

I wouldn't approach her directly, as it may create an uncomfortable feeling for her, and therefore affect your visits.





Well, have her and your gf light up, and tell her the guys at CA don't believe you that you hang out with chicks who smoke cigars, and you want to take a pic as proof.
:tpd:

[neoflex]

What a bunch of scheming pervs! J/K:r:np

[pektel]

I would think a perv would try to discreetly take a pic without anyone knowing. Someone who's got game, on the other hand, could turn it into a photo shoot. :D

[GKitty]

I vote for the photo shoot... and don't forget the girlfriend.

Even if you don't have enough game to pull it off... I bet your gf does. :D

As for all the hormones flying around... boys will be boys. ;)


:l

[cigarmonkel]

Go up to her and say

"you know the rules, tits or GTFO! but i'll make an exception if you just stop wearing your damn perfume!"

something i just realized... why hasn't the owner of a cigar shop noticed this already? why hasn't the owner of a cigar shop said anything to her yet? Is the owner really that careless about the stuff he is selling? He'd rather have an attractive girl making the product he is trying to sell smell like perfume instead of fine tobacco? Kinda makes me wonder what kinda guy is running this place...

[kydsid]

Well no pics gents. She left just as I arrived tonight and as I was leaving I was banned from the store.

Evidently the two times that the owner then the manager stated they would prefer I buy and smoke their cigars really wasn't a preference. Each time I explained that I don't like to do that but to rest the cigars at home and that I would of course support the B&M with a $10-20 purchase average. That wasn't good enough either as I pointed out in the last 5 visits I bought three times for $104 total. But since the last two of those five visits were no purchase I am a bad guy.

I even explained that I have seen others enter smoke and leave with no purchases. Those according to the manager are regulars that they know. I guess a new guy isn't afforded the chance to become a regular.

Anyways if you are ever in Houston or from the area and want to know what B&M NOT to go visit just let me know.

[kydsid]

Pics aren't needed she isn't all that special boys. ;)

-Kelly

[Powers]

Wow. it sounds like u brought it up in a reasonable manner w/the ownership and they acted in the worst possible way from a customer service stand point.

Dust ur feet off brother and find a B&M run by some true BOTLs

[Chingas]

That's some BS Brother. You never got a chance to tell them about the perfume, right?

Sounds like you walked in. Lit up. Smoked. Then cause you didn't buy anything, they asked you not to come back.

Is that right?

And you were smoking a cigar that you bought from them in a previous purchase?

[kydsid]

That's some BS Brother. You never got a chance to tell them about the perfume, right? Nope

Sounds like you walked in. Lit up. Smoked. Then cause you didn't buy anything, they asked you not to come back. Exactly, in this case of the last 5 visits I bough 30-40 bucks the first 3 times, nothing the last two so I am banned

Is that right?

And you were smoking a cigar that you bought from them in a previous purchase? No I was not smoking something they sell



My girlfriend also pointed out she has been in about 6 times in the last two months to buy her cigarettes despite they are marked up from HEB that is farther away so she would go there to support them also.

[Chingas]

Well Jason. It's clear you need to find a new local to support.

[Bill86]

It's hard to find a good local store sometimes. I'm at a crossroads with a few. I do my best but mostly I order from the net.

[icehog3]

I have been treated or had friends treated similarly at a couple places around here, Jason....I won't be going back.

[kydsid]

I have been treated or had friends treated similarly at a couple places around here, Jason....I won't be going back.

I guess I have had good luck. 10 years of cigar smoking and B&M's all over the country and this is the first who I had a problem with. And it is also the B&M I have ever spent so much money with, ironic, huh?

[icehog3]

I guess I have had good luck. 10 years of cigar smoking and B&M's all over the country and this is the first who I had a problem with. And it is also the B&M I have ever spent so much money with, ironic, huh?

**** 'em if they can't take a joke.

[Superbad]

Well no pics gents. She left just as I arrived tonight and as I was leaving I was banned from the store.

Evidently the two times that the owner then the manager stated they would prefer I buy and smoke their cigars really wasn't a preference. Each time I explained that I don't like to do that but to rest the cigars at home and that I would of course support the B&M with a $10-20 purchase average. That wasn't good enough either as I pointed out in the last 5 visits I bought three times for $104 total. But since the last two of those five visits were no purchase I am a bad guy.

I even explained that I have seen others enter smoke and leave with no purchases. Those according to the manager are regulars that they know. I guess a new guy isn't afforded the chance to become a regular.

Anyways if you are ever in Houston or from the area and want to know what B&M NOT to go visit just let me know.

Damn. Sounds like they don't want your business. My local really puts on the hard sell for higher end smokes. I have pretty much given up on them and go to a B&M an hour away.

[guitar4001]

it is hard for me to buy a single at a cigar store or bar just to smoke when I have so many cigars at the house going unsmoked. That being said, I do not smoke my own cigars at a cigar store because I did it in the past and got some lip from regulars and got the impression that such behavior offended the owner. I understand.

[Chingas]

I have had real good luck I suppose. I have been in many cigar stores from Jersey to Cali and Maine to Florida and have never really had an issue with any.

That being said. I've only had 1 that I've become a regular at besides just popping in once or twice on a trip.

Regardless, I hope you find yourself a new B&M that threats you well and has super hot, perfumeless ladies working there.

[Eleven]

That's pretty harsh, I would think a warning would be in order. Who in the world just wants to lose business these days?

My local B&M has a sign that says 'You are welcome to smoke cigars purchased here'. I have never smoked there, I do my deed and gtfo. They usually have a crowd of 'regulars' on one side, and random solo or the occasional buddies smoking on the other.

I always assumed, but never tested the theory that if I ever wanted to smoke there I would bring what I wanted to smoke, but I would also make a purchase.

Unless I was one of those 'regulars' I would never just assume I could walk into a retail establishment with my own smoke and fire it up. That is what street corners are for :)

:2

[Bill86]

To me if you bring your own smokes and make a purchase you should be fine. Also if you make at least 3-4 purchases there a month and you've at least introduced yourself to the owner if once in a blue moon you bring a smoke light it up and don't find anything....that should be okay. It's not your fault they didn't get the new limited blah blah blah or they are out of what you wanted.

[icehog3]

I figure if I buy 3 smokes and smoke 3 of my own, the owner should be happy to have my business. :2

[CigarNut]

I figure if I buy 3 smokes and smoke 3 of my own, the owner should be happy to have my business. :2What he said!!

[357]

I figure if I buy 3 smokes and smoke 3 of my own, the owner should be happy to have my business. :2

I agree. The local B&M chain I usually end up in is great. They have smaller lounges at most locations, but I always buy 1 or 2. I have never bought more than 7 at a time, and I always smoke there. Usually I smoke what I brought in my travel humi. Never had an issue or ever even had it mentioned. I DO make sure I buy before I light up, but it really shouldn't matter.

[pnoon]

Well no pics gents. She left just as I arrived tonight and as I was leaving I was banned from the store.

Evidently the two times that the owner then the manager stated they would prefer I buy and smoke their cigars really wasn't a preference. Each time I explained that I don't like to do that but to rest the cigars at home and that I would of course support the B&M with a $10-20 purchase average. That wasn't good enough either as I pointed out in the last 5 visits I bought three times for $104 total. But since the last two of those five visits were no purchase I am a bad guy.

I even explained that I have seen others enter smoke and leave with no purchases. Those according to the manager are regulars that they know. I guess a new guy isn't afforded the chance to become a regular.

Anyways if you are ever in Houston or from the area and want to know what B&M NOT to go visit just let me know.

Are you sure you didn't let rip a massive chili cheese dog with sauerkraut fart in the walk-in?
:D

[kydsid]

Are you sure you didn't let rip a massive chili cheese dog with sauerkraut fart in the walk-in?
:D

nope never pulled a peter.
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[Volt]

Just no figuring out a B&M :confused:

I tried to set up a 14 - 16 person herf at a B&M, but it fell through because all cigars smoked there had to be purchased there. Is business/the mark up that good on cigars they will refuse a 5 - 7 hour herf session? We know herf/B&M ettiquite. I was planning to get a 30 ct travel humi way over the interweb as a way of thanks. The rest would have purchased, etc to help out the business.

Who the h3ll wants to smoke some stick fresh out of a B&M humi unless you have to. Most are soggy at 70 - 77 in RH. Ugh. Business is business, what does being a "regular" have to do with anything? You might have become a "regular" with better treatment.

Which to sum it up is why we smoke in my shed with the lawn mower, rakes and other implements of lawn destruction. As the owner - my only rule is to try and have a good time :) BTW, the weekly shed herfing starts tonight at 1800.

[md4958]

Being a regular doesnt really matter sometimes either. I wont give Az0n any more business (I was formerly a member) because of the way they treated TRicker (another regular, and former member)

[icehog3]

nope never pulled my peter.
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Somehow I am skeptical. ;)

[357]

Somehow I am skeptical. ;)

It's his Tom, he can wash it as fast as he wants to :r