Pre Embargo Cuban?

[ujponds]

I'm smoking one right now? One of the local B&Ms has a box full of "Pre Embargo Cubans", there is no band to identify what brand, just one at the foot that said 1959. I figured at $7.50 what the hell it would be cool to say I smoked a 50 year old cigar. . . . What do you think the odds that this is the real deal? I have some serious doubts.

[BeerAdvocate]

Sounds too good to be true. But how was it, what did you think?

[NCRadioMan]

What do you think the odds that this is the real deal?

$7.50? None and none.

Are you sure it wasn't the old "cigar that contains pre-embargo tobacco" deal?

[thebayratt]

They sell Pinar 2000 or 3000s that are "full of pre-embargo tabacco" and go for about $10-15......... im thinking its more like a smidge or a crumb of pre-embargo..

If you had a 51 year old cigar that was authentic full blown pre-embargo would you sell it for $7.50??? Maybe $75 or $750.

[NCRadioMan]

They sell Pinar 2000 or 3000s that are "full of pre-embargo tabacco" and go for about $10-15......... im thinking its more like a smidge or a crumb of pre-embargo..


If anything, it is a bit and I mean a tiny bit of tobacco dust. But folks fall for it everyday.

[ujponds]

Yeah, that's kind of what I figured. It's not bad, pretty straight forward, but I'm in the wrong forum for reviews.

[RHNewfie]

I thought I recalled a brand called "Pre-Embargo". I may be wrong though.

[dwoodward]

Your Pre-Embargo Cuban = an unbanded name brand 2nd most likely.

[ujponds]

Your Pre-Embargo Cuban = an unbanded name brand 2nd most likely.

You may be right, it did have a band @ the foot that said"1959" which was my first flag.

[Bax]

Was it any good?

[ujponds]

Was it any good?

Meh...

[Chingas]

I vaguely remember a company too. Called, wait for it...Pre-Embargo Cubans!

If you like it, smoke it, dosnt matter what it is or what it isn't but I can almost, without reservation, say it was definitly not a PEC.

[ujponds]

If you like it, smoke it, dosnt matter what it is or what it isn't [/QUOTE]

I agree, but it wasn't anything to write home about. I didn't expect much but if there was a chance how could I pass it up.

[SmokeyJoe]

Did it look like this?

http://www.jrcigars.com/index.cfm?page=cigars&brand=GENUINE%20PRE-EMBARGO%20COUNTERFEIT%20CUBANS

:ss

[Chingas]

Did it look like this?

http://www.jrcigars.com/index.cfm?page=cigars&brand=GENUINE%20PRE-EMBARGO%20COUNTERFEIT%20CUBANS

:ss

Just had a band on the foot.

[ujponds]

haha! Said 1959 and the band was on the foot, but pretty much.

[ujponds]

I WANT MY $7.50 BACK!!!:r

[dwoodward]

Did the guy sell it to you saying it was Pre-Embargo Cuban? Like did he lead you on? Or did you just assume? lol

[jonumberone]

Just had a band on the foot.
1959 Band on the foot 7.50 a stick. I think I know exactly what your talking about
I've seen them at my b&m. If I swing by I'll pick one up to post pics.

[maninblack]

Buyer beware. I've seen these in tourist traps also and some people actually buy them. I've tried telling them they are fakes but few listen.:r

[thebiglebowski]

Did the guy sell it to you saying it was Pre-Embargo Cuban? Like did he lead you on? Or did you just assume? lol

what he said. and further - is the b&m seriously portraying these cigars as the real deal? if so, and i think we can all agree they are not, i'd question whether i'd continue patronizing them. just my two cents.

[ujponds]

It's not the usual place I go to, it's a chain place that advertises cheap cigs. They have a pretty nice walk in with very good selection and as always before I buy I check the Hygrometer. The girl working the counter was about 16, so i didn't think she would be a good source of info.

I don't feel scammed, I saw the label and the price and said what the hell. I was kind of hoping for a decent smoke for $7.50. I kind of assumed it was not the real deal.

[thebayratt]

It's not the usual place I go to, it's a chain place that advertises cheap cigs. They have a pretty nice walk in with very good selection and as always before I buy I check the Hygrometer. The girl working the counter was about 16, so i didn't think she would be a good source of info.

I don't feel scammed, I saw the label and the price and said what the hell. I was kind of hoping for a decent smoke for $7.50. I kind of assumed it was not the real deal.

WOW
A 16yo sellling tabacco that she can't even smoke????
Like a 17yo selling Jack Daniels! I think there is laws against that... owell

I have a PE Camacho 1962.... I didn't drop the $25 they want on CI. But I will try it, doubt its any better than a regular 1962.

[ujponds]

WOW
A 16yo sellling tabacco that she can't even smoke????
Like a 17yo selling Jack Daniels! I think there is laws against that... owell

I have a PE Camacho 1962.... I didn't drop the $25 they want on CI. But I will try it, doubt its any better than a regular 1962.

Good point, she must have been at least 18.:rolleyes:

[Brooks W]

A true PreEmbargo Cuban (not a Clear Havana mind you) is very hard to come by...those that have them usually don't want to give them up...and when they do, they are NOT cheap (think over $100 each)...

I just did a review on one from the 1920's here, fwiw:

http://tinyurl.com/288ncfe

If it is a true Cuban rolled with cuban tobacco, they can still be quite good, despite the age...

As for the cigars that have "Pre Embargo Cuban Leaf" in them...I would not believe it, unless I had proof otherwise :)

Hope that helps!

~brooks

[jonumberone]

I ran out to my B&M, Are these what you smoked?
They were on the shelf in a black box with no markings.
big enough to hold 100 or more. I'm assuming these are bundle sticks.
Oh and only $6.50 here. Jersey Rocks :banger

http://i867.photobucket.com/albums/ab234/jonumberone/cigar/DSC02193.jpg?t=1280695918

http://i867.photobucket.com/albums/ab234/jonumberone/cigar/DSC02204.jpg?t=1280695944

[ujponds]

That is the exact one. Let me know what you think.

[Chingas]

WOW
A 16yo sellling tabacco that she can't even smoke????
Like a 17yo selling Jack Daniels! I think there is laws against that... owell

I have a PE Camacho 1962.... I didn't drop the $25 they want on CI. But I will try it, doubt its any better than a regular 1962.

Believe it or not Brother, in my opinion, worse. I thought the regular Camacho 1962's were much better than their PE counterpart.

[jonumberone]

Brought the one I picked up yesterday to work.
I will torch it and review to the best of my abilities.

[ujponds]

Brought the one I picked up yesterday to work.
I will torch it and review to the best of my abilities.

What did you think?

[jonumberone]

Never got to it. Going down today.

[jonumberone]

Never got to it. Going down today.

Not gonna get to it today either. I'm really dropping the ball on this but work has been to busy to smoke and concentrate. It's at work and the first one going down, as soon as I can.

[kgoings]

The Four Seasons in Phoenix has a desert item, a 1950's partagas pre-embargo, and some high dollar scotch or whiskey (can't remember) for $500. I wouldnt drop the kind of cash on a cigar, but it was interesting.

[ujponds]

Not gonna get to it today either. I'm really dropping the ball on this but work has been to busy to smoke and concentrate. It's at work and the first one going down, as soon as I can.

Don't worry you're not missing much;)

[bobarian]

FWIW, the three on the left are Pre Embargo Cubans. On the right is a "Clear Havanas", rolled in a bonded US factory with Cuban tobacco(1950's)

http://img837.imageshack.us/img837/9785/preembargo.jpg (http://img837.imageshack.us/i/preembargo.jpg/) http://img137.imageshack.us/img137/6519/preembargo2.jpg (http://img137.imageshack.us/i/preembargo2.jpg/)

[Chingas]

Those are in really good shape! You are definitely doing something right!

[markem]

I tell everyone that all my cubans are "pre regime change"

it's gotta happen some time

[LasciviousXXX]

I tell everyone that all my cubans are "pre regime change"

it's gotta happen some time


Lol, I like that. I'm totally using that :tu

[acruce]

local b&m in my area had some for sell but the 100.00 a pop.

[nayslayer]

ujponds, was the the smokes for less in poughkeepsie?

[M1903A1]

FWIW, the three on the left are Pre Embargo Cubans. On the right is a "Clear Havanas", rolled in a bonded US factory with Cuban tobacco(1950's)

http://img837.imageshack.us/img837/9785/preembargo.jpg (http://img837.imageshack.us/i/preembargo.jpg/) http://img137.imageshack.us/img137/6519/preembargo2.jpg (http://img137.imageshack.us/i/preembargo2.jpg/)

I still have a handful of the Robert Burns Clear Havanas, for extremely special occasions.

I love how the pre-embargo Cuban cigar makers would go so far as to include the name of the vitola on the band! It shows how much they cared for their product and reputation.

[ujponds]

ujponds, was the the smokes for less in poughkeepsie?

Haha, Smokes for less in New Windsor actually, but I saw them in poughkeepsie too.:r

[jonumberone]

I just finished this bad boy. It wasn't that good.
I found it sweet and musky. Very thin smoke, and burned like notebook paper.
About 6X54 and took less then an hour.
For $6.50 you could do 100 times better. :2

[markem]

I still have a handful of the Robert Burns Clear Havanas, for extremely special occasions.

I still have half of cab even after trying to sell them all off at the beginning of the year. Kinda done with my clear havana phase.

[ujponds]

I just finished this bad boy. It wasn't that good.
I found it sweet and musky. Very thin smoke, and burned like notebook paper.
About 6X54 and took less then an hour.
For $6.50 you could do 100 times better. :2

Pretty good review. almost the same review as my "meh". Thanks for taking one for the team!

[NCRadioMan]

Here is the official bs description:

Vuelta Abajo Pre-Embargo Cubans are hand rolled from rare 100% Cuban leaf tobacco (Vintage crop of 1959) and blended with 8 year old aged and doubly fermented Dominican tobaccos. These Pre-Embargo Cuban cigars are simply the finest smoke you will ever experience. Rich, smooth and tangy, the distinctive taste and tantalizing aroma produce a hand crafted masterpiece which only the genuine influence of real Cuban tobacco can deliver. Comes in an Authentic Coffin Size Box of 100 Cigars - (4 Bundles of 25 cigars) Mild to Medium Bodied.

Qty: Box of 100 (4 Bundles of 25)

Filler: Cuban (Vintage Crop of 1959), Dominican Republic
Binder: Piloto Cubano
Wrapper: Brazilian Bahia
Country: Dominican Republic

[icehog3]

Here is the official bs description:

Vuelta Abajo Pre-Embargo Cubans are hand rolled from rare 100% Cuban leaf tobacco (Vintage crop of 1959) and blended with 8 year old aged and doubly fermented Dominican tobaccos. These Pre-Embargo Cuban cigars are simply the finest smoke you will ever experience. Rich, smooth and tangy, the distinctive taste and tantalizing aroma produce a hand crafted masterpiece which only the genuine influence of real Cuban tobacco can deliver. Comes in an Authentic Coffin Size Box of 100 Cigars - (4 Bundles of 25 cigars) Mild to Medium Bodied.

Qty: Box of 100 (4 Bundles of 25)

Filler: Cuban (Vintage Crop of 1959), Dominican Republic
Binder: Piloto Cubano
Wrapper: Brazilian Bahia
Country: Dominican Republic

:bs :r

[M1903A1]

Here is the official bs description:

Vuelta Abajo Pre-Embargo Cubans are hand rolled from rare 100% Cuban leaf tobacco (Vintage crop of 1959) and blended with 8 year old aged and doubly fermented Dominican tobaccos. These Pre-Embargo Cuban cigars are simply the finest smoke you will ever experience. Rich, smooth and tangy, the distinctive taste and tantalizing aroma produce a hand crafted masterpiece which only the genuine influence of real Cuban tobacco can deliver. Comes in an Authentic Coffin Size Box of 100 Cigars - (4 Bundles of 25 cigars) Mild to Medium Bodied.

Qty: Box of 100 (4 Bundles of 25)

Filler: Cuban (Vintage Crop of 1959), Dominican Republic
Binder: Piloto Cubano
Wrapper: Brazilian Bahia
Country: Dominican Republic

:tg :tg :tg :tg :tg

[ujponds]

Here is my official description:

Crap.

That is all.

[JohnE1000]

Not even a chance