LT arrested for rape

[Resipsa]

This is just sad, on all levels:

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/former_giants_star_lawrence_taylor_OdGWbrl8J7BXSeJ iGkKIFN

[elderboy02]

I hope he gets a long, long sentence. Not only did he rape her, he also beat her. The pimp needs to be severely punished as well for arranging the meeting with a 15 year old girl.

[Darrell]

What a scumbag pedophile.

[hotreds]

I had no idea he was such a degenerate!

[Smokin Gator]

Once a spoiled thug always a spoiled thug!!

[pnoon]

What a scumbag pedophile.

She is 15. Hardly qualifies as pedophilia.

He is a lowlife scumbag for sure.

[ChicagoWhiteSox]

She is 15. Hardly qualifies as pedophilia.

He is a lowlife scumbag for sure.


Close enough for me.

:td

[The Poet]

Well, I'm glad to see the American Injustice system, that of condemning a man before he is even arraigned, is still so effective. Just my :2, and worth every penny.

[Darrell]

She is 15. Hardly qualifies as pedophilia.

He is a lowlife scumbag for sure.

The DSM (Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders) classifies it as someone who has intense sexual interest and urges towards Children. She is 15, that makes her a CHILD.

[pnoon]

The DSM (Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders) classifies it as someone who has intense sexual interest and urges towards Children. She is 15, that makes her a CHILD.

Does your authority (DSM) define "child"? What is YOUR definition of a child? At what age are they no longer a child? Is anyone who has "intense sexual interest and urges" towards high school students a pedophile?

To the best of my knowledge, pedophilia is a term reserved for interest and/or desires for pre-pubescent children.

[Darrell]

So what is YOUR definition of a child? At what age are they no longer a child? Is anyone who has "intense sexual interest and urges" towards high school students a pedophile?

To the best of my knowledge, pedophilia is a term reserved for interest and/or desires for pre-pubescent children.

In my opinion you're a child until you're 18, at that point you're allowed to make decisions for yourself, move away from your folks, vote, etc.

Yes, if you have sexual urges towards children, you're a pedophile, IMO. Of course YMMV.

Well, the DSM classifies it as I mentioned it. I'm not sure who the authority is for deciding the definition for all to follow. I know Law Enforcement uses it kind of loosely to define pretty much anyone convicted of a sex crime with minors.

[pnoon]

I know Law Enforcement uses it kind of loosely to define pretty much anyone convicted of a sex crime with minors.

Ya learn sumthin new every day.

[elderboy02]

From wikipedia:

The words "pedophile" and "pedophilia" are frequently misused to refer to situations in which an older person has sexual relations with a person who is below the legal age of consent, but is pubescent or post-pubescent . The terms "hebephilia" or "ephebophilia" may be more accurate in these cases,[16] but even then may be erroneously used to refer to the actus reus itself, rather than the correct meaning, which is a preference for that age group on the part of the older individual. Even more problematic are situations where the terms are misused to refer to relationships where the younger person is an adult of legal age, but is either perceived socially as being too young in comparison to their older partner, or the older partner occupies a position of authority over them.

[Resipsa]

In my opinion you're a child until you're 18, at that point you're allowed to make decisions for yourself, move away from your folks, vote, etc.

Yes, if you have sexual urges towards children, you're a pedophile, IMO. Of course YMMV.

Well, the DSM classifies it as I mentioned it. I'm not sure who the authority is for deciding the definition for all to follow. I know Law Enforcement uses it kind of loosely to define pretty much anyone convicted of a sex crime with minors.

While that may be your definition, its not the legal definition which varies from state to state. The age of consent in some
southern states is shocking to say the least

[SmokeyJoe]

While that may be your definition, its not the legal definition which varies from state to state. The age of consent in some
southern states is shocking to say the least

Gotta say... I didn't see THIS debate coming...:confused:

Regardless, my already low opinion of LT sinks to new levels. Some folks seem bound and determined to destroy themselves no matter how many opportunities they get to rehabilitate themselves. Truly sad. :sad

[ChicagoWhiteSox]

Hello LT, Im chris hanson of Dateline, what were you doing here?:r

[ChicagoWhiteSox]

Gotta say... I didn't see THIS debate coming...:confused:

Regardless, my already low opinion of LT sinks to new levels. Some folks seem bound and determined to destroy themselves no matter how many opportunities they get to rehabilitate themselves. Truly sad. :sad

He did it to himself Joe, don't feel bad for him.

[SmokeyJoe]

He did it to himself Joe, don't feel bad for him.

I know... my deepest sadness is for this girl. Fifteen, being pimped out, beaten... her life is already tragic. :sad

[ChicagoWhiteSox]

I know... my deepest sadness is for this girl. Fifteen, being pimped out, beaten... her life is already tragic. :sad

Same here.

[Darrell]

While that may be your definition, its not the legal definition which varies from state to state. The age of consent in some
southern states is shocking to say the least

I'm curious, Vic. What are some examples? It seems really not good to allow the age of consent to be under 18.

[AD720]

I'm curious, Vic. What are some examples? It seems really not good to allow the age of consent to be under 18.

<devil's advocate post>
I'm a senior in high school dating a sophomore in high school. On May 23rd I turn 18, my girlfriend is still 16. Am I good to go on May 22nd and a pedophile on May 23rd?

[kaisersozei]

I'm curious, Vic. What are some examples? It seems really not good to allow the age of consent to be under 18.

The age of consent throughout a good portion of the US east of the Mississippi is 16. VA, TN & FL are holdouts at 18.

It's 14 or 15 through much of Europe.

[Darrell]

<devil's advocate post>
I'm a senior in high school dating a sophomore in high school. On May 23rd I turn 18, my girlfriend is still 16. Am I good to go on May 22nd and a pedophile on May 23rd?

Certain exemptions should be made for common sense sake, this is one of them.

However if you're 44 trolling the school yard for 16 yr olds, that's another story.

[AD720]

Certain exemptions should be made for common sense sake, this is one of them.


Unfortunately when it comes to the law there can not be any room left for exemptions based on common sense, no gray areas. How about when that 18 year dude old turns 20 or 21 and the girl is still shy of her 18th? There are so many what ifs, it's got to be a clear line.



However if you're 44 trolling the school yard for 16 yr olds, that's another story.

Agreed that it's gross, but if you are in a state in which the age of consent is 16 it is legal. Whether are not her parents go for it is another story. ;)

[AD720]

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ef/Age_of_Consent.png/800px-Age_of_Consent.png

From the wiki...for informational purposes.

This thread did take an interesting turn. :r

[loki]

a guy gets arrested for rape and we're discussing AOC and the definition of pedophile? give me a ****ing break

[akumushi]

How about assault and prostitution? That story is wrong on SO many levels. I hope they throw the book at him.

[pnoon]

a guy gets arrested for rape and we're discussing AOC and the definition of pedophile? give me a ****ing break

Then just ignore the thread and move along.

There is your ****ing break.

[hotreds]

Certain exemptions should be made for common sense sake, this is one of them.

However if you're 44 trolling the school yard for 16 yr olds, that's another story.

Hmmm.... how about 13 year olds?

http://screencrave.frsucrave.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/kick-ass-hit-girl-11-3-10-kc.jpg

[loki]

Then just ignore the thread and move along.

There is your ****ing break.

http://forums.offtopic.com/images/smilies/ugh2.gif

[Resipsa]

a guy gets arrested for rape and we're discussing AOC and the definition of pedophile? give me a ****ing break
Wow. Quite the change in attitude from when Rothisberger was under investigation for rape.

[loki]

Wow. Quite the change in attitude from when Rothisberger was under investigation for rape.

arrested is a little different the investigation...thought you of all people would understand that. If he's cleared I'll be the first to eat my words.

[Eleven]

Just saw him on Donald J. Trump's Fabulous World of Golf...and thought to myself "He still looks like a crack head."

What a shame.

[Tenor CS]

I'm a senior in high school dating a sophomore in high school. On May 23rd I turn 18, my girlfriend is still 16. Am I good to go on May 22nd and a pedophile on May 23rd?

Varies from state to state, but FL has something called a "Romeo and Juliet" law that protects you in this very situation.

When I was a teacher, we had to know all about consent laws.

If I remember correctly, AOC in FL is 16, but the older person cannot be older than 25, and cannot be an authority figure in the younger's life. Some examples given in our ethics class of "authority figure" included teacher, pastor/priest, police officer, parole officer, etc.

[Resipsa]

arrested is a little different the investigation...thought you of all people would understand that. If he's cleared I'll be the first to eat my words.
Have no doubt, to anybody who took the time to read the GBI report and look at all of the evidence, there is no question that Rothlisberger raped that woman. They just don't feel they can prove it.........right now.:)

[Resipsa]

come back and talk to me when there are charges...until then i'll keep celebrating victory in ga day. If it's that clear that he did it, he'd have been charged, clearly it wasn't that clear. I hope you don't do defense law
Why yes, yes I do, :r

I've said it before, and I'll say it again. There is a world of difference between what we know and talk about behind closed doors in the judge's chambers, DA's office, etc, and what is disclosed to the public. Just a point of information.

As an example, I was recently involved in a situation where we were discussing something in open court, and the DA blurts out, "I don't think we should be discussing this in open court.", :r

[yourchoice]

a guy gets arrested for rape and we're discussing AOC and the definition of pedophile? give me a ****ing break

I liken this as a bunch of guys sitting around a big table, smoking cigars and having an adult conversation. As long as we don't breech either politic or religion topics, the conversation goes how it goes. I've seen threads stray a lot more off topic than this one. :2

What a shame. I feel absolutely terrible for the girl. Sad. If guilty, I hope they "throw the book at him".

[loki]

Why yes, yes I do, :r

I've said it before, and I'll say it again. There is a world of difference between what we know and talk about behind closed doors in the judge's chambers, DA's office, etc, and what is disclosed to the public. Just a point of information.

As an example, I was recently involved in a situation where we were discussing something in open court, and the DA blurts out, "I don't think we should be discussing this in open court.", :r

well good for you, I'm done with you, and i'm done with this thread.

[Mikey202]

Wow. Quite the change in attitude from when Rothisberger was under investigation for rape.

How about they are both scumbags, and wrong for what they did. :2Regardless of who and what team they play or have played for, money is power, and LT will get a slap on the wrist for this, just like Roethlisburger did. The list goes on and on. Glass houses and all...ya know. Didn't a linebacker from the Colts get charged with rape or something, amonth or so ago. Doesn't matter what team....they're all scumbags, and getting off easier than you and me could ever dream of. I luv you all.:tu

[Mikey202]

Why yes, yes I do, :r

I've said it before, and I'll say it again. There is a world of difference between what we know and talk about behind closed doors in the judge's chambers, DA's office, etc, and what is disclosed to the public. Just a point of information.

As an example, I was recently involved in a situation where we were discussing something in open court, and the DA blurts out, "I don't think we should be discussing this in open court.", :r

Didn't Shakespear say something about lawyers/:D:r:xxx

[white_s2k]

Well, I'm glad to see the American Injustice system, that of condemning a man before he is even arraigned, is still so effective. Just my :2, and worth every penny.

Wow, I agree 100%. It's guilty until proven innocent, apparently.

[Tenor CS]

I saw a report with a police official on ESPN this morning.

He said something to the effect that LT was cooperative, admitted having sex with the girl and paying her, but at this point there was no evidence that he had not caused any of her other injuries.

The "pimp" (man who delivered the girl to LT) was also arrested.

[floydpink]

My senior year of college was about to start at FDU in Rutherford New Jersey.

I was working as a waiter at the Sheraton Meadowlands and served people like Wayne Gretzky and Joe Montana and lots of other visiting teams.

My boss asked me to leave to open up a new sports restaurant up the road and couldn't give too much info but asked me to trust him, it would be worth it. I did.

It was LT's restaurant and sports bar, the year was 1991, and trhe Giants won Superbowl 25 over the Bills when Scott Norwood went wide left.

I got to know LT fairly well and know he can't keep his pecker in his pants.

I don't think he raped anyone however.

I feel terrible for his wife, as she was one of the nicest people you could ever meet.

[floydpink]

Wow, I agree 100%. It's guilty until proven innocent, apparently.

Unfortunately when it involves rape or sexual harrassment in the workplace it is in this country.

[mosesbotbol]

As bad as what they are accusing him is, I would like to wait until the smoke clears before passing judgment. Something does not sound right with this story. Lastly, if he did hire her as a prostitute, I doubt he asked for or knew she was a minor.

[MiamiE]

I used to deal with LT every day at one of my first jobs. At Miami Beach Golf Course. He was a golf member. The guy was really nice, wouldn't ask a thing from you. I can't comment on his personal life though.

[MedicCook]

Listening to LT's lawyer after his hearing did anyone else notice his wording?

"LT did not have consensual sex with anyone yesterday."

Does that mean he did have sex but did not obtain consent?

[Resipsa]

Listening to LT's lawyer after his hearing did anyone else notice his wording?

"LT did not have consensual sex with anyone yesterday."

Does that mean he did have sex but did not obtain consent?Hard to say what he's trying to say, but if the girl is under 17 she is legally unable to give consent

[Starscream]

While that may be your definition, its not the legal definition which varies from state to state. The age of consent in some
southern states is shocking to say the least

Easy there, Vic. It's not just the South.:) We're not all the stereotypical sheep farmers that films portray us as.:D

I'm not shocked at all, but I no longer have any respect for this man if all that is said is true.
Bam Bam Bigelow should've beat the SH!T out of LT when he had the chance.
RIP Bam Bam.

[Resipsa]

Easy there, Vic. It's not just the South.:) We're not all the stereotypical sheep farmers that films portray us as.:D

I'm not shocked at all, but I no longer have any respect for this man if all that is said is true.
Bam Bam Bigelow should've beat the SH!T out of LT when he had the chance.
RIP Bam Bam.
Not my intentions Andy, sorry probably a poor choice of words on my part. Apologies.:D

[Starscream]

Not my intentions Andy, sorry probably a poor choice of words on my part. Apologies.:D

No offense, Vic. I was just razzing you a bit.:)

[kelmac07]

Gotta love how the press has convicted him already. :td :td

[coastietech]

Gotta love how the press has convicted him already. :td :td

Good buddy of mine is former NYPD and due to his current job has quite a few ties with PD all over the country. Has already spoken to a couple of LEO involved with the case and they pretty much confirmed that the prosecuter has a slam dunk case.

They have rape kit results, DNA, the works... Granted he is innocent till proven guilty, they have a pretty solid case.

[Cigary]

I'm shocked about this considering his past. Hmmm...knock me over with a feather!

In 2001, Taylor was convicted of possessing drug paraphernalia in New Jersey. The conviction stemmed from the September 1998 discovery in a hotel room of a butane torch and other materials commonly used to smoke crack.

In 1996 and 1997, he was arrested in South Carolina and Florida on drug charges. In those cases, he either admitted his guilt or agreed to enter a pretrial intervention program.

In 2000, he drew five years of federal probation for filing false tax returns and for tax evasion.

[Darrell]

I'm shocked about this considering his past. Hmmm...knock me over with a feather!

In 2001, Taylor was convicted of possessing drug paraphernalia in New Jersey. The conviction stemmed from the September 1998 discovery in a hotel room of a butane torch and other materials commonly used to smoke crack.

In 1996 and 1997, he was arrested in South Carolina and Florida on drug charges. In those cases, he either admitted his guilt or agreed to enter a pretrial intervention program.

In 2000, he drew five years of federal probation for filing false tax returns and for tax evasion.

He's a model citizen. :r

[King James]

I'm shocked about this considering his past. Hmmm...knock me over with a feather!

In 2001, Taylor was convicted of possessing drug paraphernalia in New Jersey. The conviction stemmed from the September 1998 discovery in a hotel room of a butane torch and other materials commonly used to smoke crack.

In 1996 and 1997, he was arrested in South Carolina and Florida on drug charges. In those cases, he either admitted his guilt or agreed to enter a pretrial intervention program.

In 2000, he drew five years of federal probation for filing false tax returns and for tax evasion.


Because he has a history of drug use you are not surprised be is being charged with rape?

[Cigary]

Because he has a history of drug use you are not surprised be is being charged with rape?

Was being sarcastic/facetious here as his past conduct and how he has handled his private life is pretty sad when you consider how much he has been blessed with in life. Drug use, rape, tax evasion is a pretty sad commentary of his choices in life.

[MedicCook]

Hard to say what he's trying to say, but if the girl is under 17 she is legally unable to give consent

I have no idea what he was saying either. The lawyer was pretty entertaining in court though.

[Texan in Mexico]

A sense of entitlement and society's aversion to making our idols responsable for their actions fuels this never-ending merry-go-round. For the moment he is guilty of extremely poor judgement and putting himself in a situation like this. Makes Nolan Ryan look like a better idol IMHO.
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