Does the wrapper really impart 60% of the flavor?

[nomadicwookie]

I've never smoked the same cigar with a different wrapper before so I don't have a comparison. It's got do be something like 99% of the tobacco in a cigar is the filler though. How is it that such a small amount of tobacco contributes to the bulk of the flavor?

[JJG]

personally I don't believe it to be true.

anyone want to experiment? light two identical cigars at the same time, with and without wrapper?

[maninblack]

I would but don't wanna waste a good cigar.

[JJG]

I would but don't wanna waste a good cigar.

same here, I've pretty much weeded out all the crappy cigars from my small collection and I don't have anything I'm willing to sacrifice for the sake of science.

[akumushi]

An in depth discussion on this topic was done here. (http://www.cigarasylum.com/vb/showthread.php?t=22299&highlight=wrapper+maduro)

[nomadicwookie]

I can't access the link. Also I was referring to something like the same vitola in a maduro versus natural like the Padron 2000 for example. Forgive me I'm a greenhorn.

[bobarian]

yes

[T.G]

I can't access the link. Also I was referring to something like the same vitola in a maduro versus natural like the Padron 2000 for example. Forgive me I'm a greenhorn.

Yes, there is a difference in flavor between two cigars with different wrappers that would otherwise be identical. Due to varying filler strengths and wrapper strengths, the amount of these flavor differences or their prominence can vary.

Padron2000's aren't expensive cigars, I suggest you pick up two identical sizes, ideally the corona so you can get some flavor off of it, one natural and one maduro, the next time you are at your B&M. Another good candidate is the Fuente 858 with a natural wrapper (cameroon) and a maduro wrapper.

[Gonesledn]

the LA aurora 1495 is a great example. they have numerous variety of wrappers on the same blend of cigar. every one is extremely different to my tastes.


"Sampler includes five Robusto-sized cigars. One is the traditional La Aurora 1495 blend, and the other four sticks are the same binder and filler as the 1495 with four unique wrappers not available anywhere else: Cameroon, Corojo, Brazilian Maduro and Connecticut.

"How much does a wrapper change the taste of a cigar?"

This age-old question from smokers and connoisseurs is now answered in this unprecedented assortment of La Aurora 1495 Robustos. You have the opportunity to determine how four distinctive wrappers (Connecticut, Cameroon, Brazil and Corojo) affect the same blend. Compare them to each other or to the traditional 1495, wrapped with Ecaudorian Sumatra."


http://www.bestcigarprices.com/cigar-directory/la-aurora/la-aurora-1495-series-connoisseur-selection-sampler-cigar/286-21758.htm

[guado]

I was about to say La Aurora. They had a "connoisseur" Collection for a while. When I saw it it was a tray with 4 cigars same filler/binder and the wrappers were different for each blend.

Apparently now its 5.

[akumushi]

Maybe this link (http://www.cigarasylum.com/vb/showthread.php?t=22299)will work, otherwise, just search this forum for "what a difference a wrapper makes" there's some interesting discussion on the topic in that thread already.

[Mirrorlure7m]

To help a little with the what I know and and have learned. It all depends on the cigar .. Some cigars the wrapper is 30% and some it is more and some less.

[icehog3]

To help a little with the what I know and and have learned. It all depends on the cigar .. Some cigars the wrapper is 30% and some it is more and some less.

Some 30%, some less than 30%, some more than 30%. I can absolutely agree with that.

[akumushi]

Some 30%, some less than 30%, some more than 30%. I can absolutely agree with that.

:r:r:r
That about covers it.

[Skywalker]

yes

Bob's slogan - "Even better when it's wetter!!!" :r

[shilala]

Adam made a very good suggestion. Try a maduro Padron x000 series and a natural.
In some cigars, tne wrapper is 100% responsible for some of the flavors.
Tom is gonna LOVE that statement. :d

[cort]

The answer of course, is onions.

[Kreth]

43% of statistics are made up.
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[icehog3]

In some cigars, tne wrapper is 100% responsible for some of the flavors.
Tom is gonna LOVE that statement. :D

Another absolute! :D

43% of statistics are made up.
Posted via Mobile Device

That's only accurate 62% of the time. :2

[tomc3084]

personally I don't believe it to be true.

anyone want to experiment? light two identical cigars at the same time, with and without wrapper?

Wow , that is actually a great Idea....I am going to do this sometime in the near future....Ill post it here

[Fumes]

Yes, maybe. I don't know about 60%... might be 59.95 on sale. But the difference is statistically significant, I believe. The 1495 Connoisseur pack is a great way to experiment. None of them are better than the EcSu that the 1495 normally has, but they're all good.

[Dunkel]

Not sure about the percentage, but if you've smoked a DPG JJ and a DPG JJ Maduro you'll know there's a huge difference.

[Psojka RP,601]

ive only had a few of these situations...one that i learned alot from tho was the Rocky Patel vintage 1992 and 1990...the 92 has an Ecuadorean Sumatra wrapper and the 90 has a maduro wrapper on it...very different tasting. both are two of my favorite old smokes tho! :)

[wayner123]

While I believe the wrapper can affect the taste of a cigar dramatically, I only believe it does this in certain cases.

The 1495 Connoisseur series was a great idea. I have smoked through a couple of them now. There is a huge difference in some of the blends, mainly the brazil vs the conn. But that again is very specific. I mean you are taking a filler blend and changing to a whole new wrapper of different origin, composition, etc. Ratio of filler to RG (a robusto vs a corona) the change can be noticeable, but then again that's a pretty major change.

Where as in a box of the same cigars, the difference in color or slight variation of a wrapper tends to be negligible.

[akumushi]

While I believe the wrapper can affect the taste of a cigar dramatically, I only believe it does this in certain cases.

The 1495 Connoisseur series was a great idea. I have smoked through a couple of them now. There is a huge difference in some of the blends, mainly the brazil vs the conn. But that again is very specific. I mean you are taking a filler blend and changing to a whole new wrapper of different origin, composition, etc. Ratio of filler to RG (a robusto vs a corona) the change can be noticeable, but then again that's a pretty major change.

Where as in a box of the same cigars, the difference in color or slight variation of a wrapper tends to be negligible.

:tpd:

[cjfeola]

I've never smoked the same cigar with a different wrapper before so I don't have a comparison. It's got do be something like 99% of the tobacco in a cigar is the filler though. How is it that such a small amount of tobacco contributes to the bulk of the flavor?

Fortunately for you, an easy test has just arrived! Rick Rodriguez of La Gloria was at Town and Country Cigars in Euless Texas last week showing off his new cigar, Artesanos de Tabaqueros. You have to see this thing to believe it-first third of the cigar has a Connecticut Shade wrapper, the rest has a Sumatra wrapper. The two are so closely butted together it almost looks seamless. Tasty, too! Though I will confess I preferred the Sumatra part...really shows you how the wrapper provides the flavor. It DEFINITELY tastes like two completely different cigars!

cjf says check it out: http://www.teamlagloria.com/2010/04/07/680/

[cjfeola]

Wow , that is actually a great Idea....I am going to do this sometime in the near future....Ill post it here

Went to the CAO LX2 "tasting" event last year-fascinating! They provided us with tasting kits-three separate small cigars made entirely of a single one of the types of tobacco in the LX2, then a fourth with all three in the blend. Interesting how different the tobaccos were before the blend.

I wouldn't mind going to something like that again.

cjf

[tx_tuff]

You don't have to go out and buy anything, or even the same two cigars with different wrappers. If you want to know what a difference a wrapper makes, or even what different wrappers taste like (Cameroon vs Nicaraguan Corojo vs Conn Broadleaf etc) take your favorite cigar, a few of them. Take wrappers off other cigars and put them on this cigar that you know backwards and forwards. You will see that it makes a world of difference. Try a Tat Red wrapper on a VSG cigar, pretty tasty! The Cameroon wrapper on a AF Anejo not so good.

I don't know why but the top wrappers provides most of the taste, it doesn't really make sense to me but its true. Take a wrapper off a cigar, say a wrapper of a above mentioned cigar Pepin JJ. Start smoking a cheaper cigar like a H Upmann Maduro. About halfway though the smoke put the JJ wrapper straight over the maduro wrapper. You won't believe the difference and the fact that the maduro flavor disappears but its still on the cigar.

I know all this sounds nuts but it can be fun and you are learning about cigars. I have done a many in the past including making a culebra out of 3 Oliva V lanceros.

Three Oliva V Lanceros
http://i643.photobucket.com/albums/uu154/tx_tuff/0452.jpg

The 3 wrappers that came off
http://i643.photobucket.com/albums/uu154/tx_tuff/0492-1.jpg

Putting new wrappers back on, one is a maduro, one double habano, one a habano and conn barber poll
http://i643.photobucket.com/albums/uu154/tx_tuff/0502.jpg

The three cigars wrapped back up
http://i643.photobucket.com/albums/uu154/tx_tuff/0512-1.jpg

And the final culebra
http://i643.photobucket.com/albums/uu154/tx_tuff/0533-1.jpg

[Lucky_Hippo]

You can always try a shaggy foot cigar just to see how much flavor can be in a wrapper. The first few draws will be only filler. Once the burn reaches the wrapper leaf you get a totally differnt experience.

[lightning9191]

And the final culebra
http://i643.photobucket.com/albums/uu154/tx_tuff/0533-1.jpg

Did you roll those Frank? Those look pretty good.:tu

[tx_tuff]

Did you roll those Frank? Those look pretty good.:tu

I changed the wrappers (something I have done before) and then bended them together into the Culebra. Had to get them pretty wet to do it. Then they set for about 6 months. Me my wife and my friend who married us smoked them on my wedding night. They smoked prefect.

[kaisersozei]

ive only had a few of these situations...one that i learned alot from tho was the Rocky Patel vintage 1992 and 1990...the 92 has an Ecuadorean Sumatra wrapper and the 90 has a maduro wrapper on it...very different tasting. both are two of my favorite old smokes tho! :)

I came in here to suggest those, as well as the Padron x000 line that was mentioned. I'm not sure, but I believe the RP Edge series (Maduro vs Corojo vs Sumatra) is a similar experience.

I changed the wrappers (something I have done before) and then bended them together into the Culebra. Had to get them pretty wet to do it. Then they set for about 6 months. Me my wife and my friend who married us smoked them on my wedding night. They smoked prefect.


That's awesome!