Is it odd?

[Mugen910]

1). Would it be odd if I showed up to herfs with my cigars precut? Even if I don't smoke them all? That also brings up another question about storage.

2). Does it effect the cigar in any way to have been cut and then rested for months, maybe even years? I am still new to this cigar stuff so I was just curious.

TIA
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[awsmith4]

I would find that the least odd thing about you :D

[leasingthisspace]

Me too.
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[DPD6030]

Well it sure would save time for you to not have to cut the stick. I would not find it strange.

Storage wise I wouldn't think it would matter much. It may soak up/ release more humidity as it now has two open ends but as long as it's near constant I don't think that would be a problem. But, what do I know :confused:

[tomc3084]

I do not think it's odd for someone to show up to a herf with pre-cut smokes, not at all whatsoever....and as far as storing them cut, I have had a problem with this...I did this once and it was cedar wrapped...long story short it tasted like cedar when I was smoking it. I am not talking hints of cedar I am saying it tasted like I was smoking a cedar cigar. Then again it was a Gurkha:r

[Don Fernando]

1). Would it be odd if I showed up to herfs

Yes!

[GKitty]

I would find that the least odd thing about you :D

:tpd:

[massphatness]

I'm more curious as to why you would employ this methodology.

[sikk50]

I'm willing to bet you bought a new cutter and got a little bored...am I right?

:r

[kelmac07]

I'm more curious as to why you would employ this methodology.

I'm with Vin on this. :D

[G G]

yes:r

[NCRadioMan]

1). Would it be odd if I showed up to herfs with my cigars precut? Even if I don't smoke them all? That also brings up another question about storage.

2). Does it effect the cigar in any way to have been cut and then rested for months, maybe even years? I am still new to this cigar stuff so I was just curious.

TIA
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1. It doesn't matter. They are yours, you can do whatever you want to with them.

2. Again, it doesn't matter.

[RevSmoke]

1. I don't think it matters.

2. It may not matter, but I think that there might be the issue of the fact that the cap ultimately holds the whole cigar together. But, it may not matter.

Let us know how the experiment works out.

Peace of the Lord be with you.

[bobarian]

Nice review. :banger

[cort]

Do you leave the cello on or take it off?

[icehog3]

2). Does it effect the cigar in any way to have been cut and then rested for months, maybe even years? I am still new to this cigar stuff so I was just curious.


Some use this method to try to get tight cigars to open up, Bao.

[NeuRon]

Some use this method to try to get tight cigars to open up, Bao.

I have heard this as well, unfortunately im not sure if it actually works.. Good question..

I will join you at the podium though, as i have a fetish of testing draws on random cigars in my humidors, so i might have random cigars that are cut..

Nothing to be self conscious about; its all in the name of science, lol..



FWIW...... ive found myself bringing 2-3 cigars to the cigar lounge, and sometimes snipping them before i get to the lounge, as i dont want to get to the lounge and have a cigar thats plugged to sh*t!. Ya kno?

[Mark]

I learned from James Suckling and my friends at that most illustrious magazine that you shouldn't cut the cigar until after you have lit it, because this way you look like more of an @sshole.

Oh wait, maybe it was something about sulfur. Either way, if you want to have friends, it doesn't really matter. If you want to hang with Suckling, well then we have bigger problems :r

[md4958]

Me too.
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Yes!

:tpd:

I find it hilarious how well everybody knows you :r:r

I am still new to this cigar stuff so I was just curious

:bs

I think the only drawback to this is that the cigars MAY unravel in your humidor.

[Cigary]

I learned from James Suckling and my friends at that most illustrious magazine that you shouldn't cut the cigar until after you have lit it, because this way you look like more of an @sshole.

Oh wait, maybe it was something about sulfur. Either way, if you want to have friends, it doesn't really matter. If you want to hang with Suckling, well then we have bigger problems :r

Friggin hilarious. I heard someone say the same thing about lighting the cigar before you cut it and this has to be the same place I read it from.:r

[MajorCaptSilly]

I will answer your question but only if you answer mine first:

Do you like me?

___ Yes

___ No


Your biggest fan,

MCS

[Texan in Mexico]

I learned from James Suckling and my friends at that most illustrious magazine that you shouldn't cut the cigar until after you have lit it, because this way you look like more of an @sshole.

Oh wait, maybe it was something about sulfur. Either way, if you want to have friends, it doesn't really matter. If you want to hang with Suckling, well then we have bigger problems :r

I heard this a while back at another Forum that is currently off-line and have tried it - honestly this doesnt affect if I am an arse or not, my gf says I am at times - it is kind of fun as I really enjoy this part of the ritual, focussing so much on the cigar really helps me enjoy it and block out everything else, I do not do it often but it is fun for me...

As for your questions buddy -

1). No effect IMHO, as long as you take off your white gloves and the bands no one will think the lesser

2). I would be interested to see if this increases wrapper issues

Signed your No. 2 fan - Travis

[RGD.]

If I am going out and taking just a 3 or 4 finger case - I routinely pre-cut my cigars. That way I don't have to carry a cutter also. I also pre-cut some that I keep in the box in my truck. Saves from having to cut while driving. So no, I don't find it odd at all.


Ron

[alwayslit]

I'm willing to bet you bought a new cutter and got a little bored...am I right?

:r.......LOL, Nothing wrong with it but you might have issues trading them later.

[cort]

What's more odd is that Bao smokes on his roof:confused:

[icehog3]

What's more odd is that Bao smokes on his roof:confused:

What's even odder than that is your Avatar, Gary. :r

[cort]

What's even odder than that is your Avatar, Gary. :r

Touche':r

You know you laugh every time you see it.

[gnukfu]

I'm more curious as to why you would employ this methodology.

After my experiences with Bao at herfs, probably to check the draw so he doesn't bring cigars that are constructed like tree branches!!!

As far as precutting - I don't see why it would matter - if you decided to prelight them that would be a different story.

[sikk50]

I will answer your question but only if you answer mine first:

Do you like me?

_X_ Yes

___ No


Your biggest fan,

MCS

:tu

[Skywalker]

Not strange at all.

However, if you start doing pre-draws and pass them out at Herfs, then that would be odd!!!:D

[Mugen910]

You are all a bunch of jokers aren't cha?

1) I had a cigar that from initial draw was way to tight so I just threw it back into the humi for months (1-2). Totally fixed any draw issues it had.

1.5) Maybe if I precut all my cigars, I'll never have draw issues.

2) I was curious if, besides shaving seconds away from me enjoying the cigar, that maybe the flavor changes somehow with having no end cap.

c) You're all a bunch of pecka heads!!:D

[Texan in Mexico]

http://i395.photobucket.com/albums/pp32/tburke45/WWP.jpg

c) You're all a bunch of pecka heads!!:D[/QUOTE]

However I have always considered myslef more of a Dog -

http://i395.photobucket.com/albums/pp32/tburke45/Underdog.jpg

[pnoon]

What's even odder than that is your Avatar, Gary. :r

It's o.k., Tom. Darrell gave him permission to use his picture.

[cort]

It's o.k., Tom. Darrell gave him permission to use his picture.

indudabely:banger

[wolfandwhisky]

Touche':r

You know you laugh every time you see it.

indeed :tu

[sikk50]

It's o.k., Tom. Darrell gave him permission to use his picture.

:r

[Nurse_Maduro]

I learned from James Suckling and my friends at that most illustrious magazine that you shouldn't cut the cigar until after you have lit it, because this way you look like more of an @sshole.


Wait, what?


lol

[wayner123]

You are all a bunch of jokers aren't cha?

1) I had a cigar that from initial draw was way to tight so I just threw it back into the humi for months (1-2). Totally fixed any draw issues it had.

1.5) Maybe if I precut all my cigars, I'll never have draw issues.

2) I was curious if, besides shaving seconds away from me enjoying the cigar, that maybe the flavor changes somehow with having no end cap.

c) You're all a bunch of pecka heads!!:D

Do you have an idea on why that may be?

[Mugen910]

Do you have an idea on why that may be?

nope that's why I am asking.

[PeteSB75]

Stop buying cigars with trees wrapped inside and you will be fine :2

I do the same thing. If it's a cheapie, or if the draw worsens during smoking, I will use the draw tool. Otherwise, it just goes back in for a month or two. I generally smoke those ones myself though, instead of handing them out.

[icehog3]

1) I had a cigar that from initial draw was way to tight so I just threw it back into the humi for months (1-2). Totally fixed any draw issues it had.



Do you have an idea on why that may be?

nope that's why I am asking.

I don't know "why" either, but I have had the same experience that Bao did.

[Mugen910]

I don't know "why" either, but I have had the same experience that Bao did.

you're suppose to have the "omniscient point-of-view", Tom!

[icehog3]

you're suppose to have the "omniscient point-of-view", Tom!

Nah, I have as much to learn as anybody and more to learn than some. :)

[wayner123]

nope that's why I am asking.

Do you have an idea on why that may be?

I don't know "why" either, but I have had the same experience that Bao did.

Well the popular belief is that if you have a "plugged" cigar you keep it in a dry box to help with any "plugs". But in this thread (http://www.cigarasylum.com/vb/showthread.php?t=26872&highlight=wayner123) I looked at the issue of a wetter cigar might be able to produce less "plugs".

Whether your single experiment proves that point, I doubt it. But it does lend to the notion of a higher RH is not a bad thing like many have said before.

[icehog3]

Well the popular belief is that if you have a "plugged" cigar you keep it in a dry box to help with any "plugs". But in this thread (http://www.cigarasylum.com/vb/showthread.php?t=26872&highlight=wayner123) I looked at the issue of a wetter cigar might be able to produce less "plugs".

Whether your single experiment proves that point, I doubt it. But it does lend to the notion of a higher RH is not a bad thing like many have said before.

I am missing the correlation here, Wayne.

I never dryboxed the cigars I speak of, just cut them and found them to seem to have a very tight draw. Put them back in the humi at the same RH they had been stored previously, and let them sit a few months. So the RH was never higher, or lower, always the same. How does that "lend to the notion of a higher RH is not a bad thing"? It seems to me to be irrelevant in this situation.

[Mugen910]

I am missing the correlation here, Wayne.

I never dryboxed the cigars I speak of, just cut them and found them to seem to have a very tight draw. Put them back in the humi at the same RH they had been stored previously, and let them sit a few months. So the RH was never higher, or lower, always the same. How does that "lend to the notion of a higher RH is not a bad thing"? It seems to me to be irrelevant in this situation.

:tpd:

I'm too lazy to have something separate from my vino. I mean I even throw my humis in there so I know where everything is. I've never dryboxed cigars but why is it that cutting off the end and letting it sit sends the cigar pixies in and fixed the plugs?

[wayner123]

I am missing the correlation here, Wayne.

I never dryboxed the cigars I speak of, just cut them and found them to seem to have a very tight draw. Put them back in the humi at the same RH they had been stored previously, and let them sit a few months. So the RH was never higher, or lower, always the same. How does that "lend to the notion of a higher RH is not a bad thing"? It seems to me to be irrelevant in this situation.

Because more of the cigar is affected by the RH. The cap, while not airtight, does provide some insulation to the cigar's filler. So by allowing more humidity into the cigar it swells and thus "unplugs" the cigar.

*disclaimer - I am not saying this is fact or some magical effect. I am just stating what happens and what the outcome might be.

[icehog3]

Because more of the cigar is affected by the RH. The cap, while not airtight, does provide some insulation to the cigar's filler. So by allowing more humidity into the cigar it swells and thus "unplugs" the cigar.



So you are saying that my cigars, humidifed at 62%, actually reach a higher RH than 62% in the same environment when the cap is cut? Or that perhaps my cigars are not reaching that 62% when the caps are on in a 62% enviroment?

I am not sure I would agree with that, but like you, I am no scientist.

[wayner123]

So you are saying that my cigars, humidifed at 62%, actually reach a higher RH than 62% in the same environment when the cap is cut? Or that perhaps my cigars are not reaching that 62% when the caps are on in a 62% enviroment?

I am not sure I would agree with that, but like you, I am no scientist.

The latter.

In that thread we looked at wetting cigars and how much of the water reached the filler due to absorbtion. The conclusion was it didn't reach the filler at all, or was so small it couldn't be quantified. So based on that info, you "could" say that the filler of a cigar is not at 62%, but through experience you have come to like the way your cigars smoke at 62%. Have you tried bumping your cigars up to say 70% for a few months and see if you like them? Or have less plug issues? It might be a worthwhile experiment.

So my understanding is that by allowing the humidity to come into more contact with the filler, you are raising the inside of the cigar's RH.

[GKitty]

I've never dryboxed cigars but why is it that cutting off the end and letting it sit sends the cigar pixies in and fixed the plugs?


There are pixies in my cigars?!? Does freezing get rid of them like it does beetles? Is plume really cigar-pixie dust? OMG PIXIES IN MY HUMI!!!!

;s

On a serious note, I think that letting a cigar rest after being cut allows an ever so slight loosening of the wrapper which improves the draw. When talking about airflow, even the smallest change can make a vast improvement.

[NCRadioMan]

Have you tried bumping your cigars up to say 70% for a few months and see if you like them? Or have less plug issues? It might be a worthwhile experiment.



I, like Tom, keep mine in the low 60's. A few years ago, I did keep a humidor close to 70 just to compare. I have never had many plug problems to begin with but I did experience tighter draws, burn issues, harshness and muted flavors when smoking from the 70% humidor. Needless to say, I didn't keep that humidor at 70.

I have also had luck with a few plugged cigars by just putting them back after cutting and testing the draw. I also don't know how or why but in my experience, it worked.

[icehog3]

The latter.

In that thread we looked at wetting cigars and how much of the water reached the filler due to absorbtion. The conclusion was it didn't reach the filler at all, or was so small it couldn't be quantified. So based on that info, you "could" say that the filler of a cigar is not at 62%, but through experience you have come to like the way your cigars smoke at 62%. Have you tried bumping your cigars up to say 70% for a few months and see if you like them? Or have less plug issues? It might be a worthwhile experiment.



My preference for 62% came from a couple years of experimentation, starting with the 70% and gradually working my way down in humidity. I went through long periods at 70%, 67&, 65%, so I can say my preference for 62% is definitely experience-based, and I much prefer the way my cigars taste and burn at 62% over 70%..

I still am not convinced that wetting the wrapper and not having the mositure reach the filler is equivalent with an RH level affecting the filler during long term storage, but this is strictly my thoughts and I don't have any science to base it on....making the thought worthless to anyone but me. :)

[Mark]

In that thread we looked at wetting cigars and how much of the water reached the filler due to absorbtion. The conclusion was it didn't reach the filler at all, or was so small it couldn't be quantified. So based on that info, you "could" say that the filler of a cigar is not at 62%, but through experience you have come to like the way your cigars smoke at 62%.

I think there is a logical fallacy in this, Wayner. Granted the water didn't get to the filler within the span of a few minutes or hours, but I am SURE if you wet the cigar and let it sit for months, the extra humidity would permeate the cigar. When you have a gas-permeable solid (tobacco, in this case) and you put it in a humidified environment for a sufficient amount of time, the solid will reach equilibrium with the environment (in this case it will be evenly humidified). If you put a cigar in a 70% humi for a day, yes the filler will still be lower than the wrapper and binder, but leave it for a number of weeks or months and equilibrium will, necessarily, be reached. Thats just the nature of gases and permeable membranes.

All that to say, if Tom's cigars are in the cab/vino/humidor long enough the entire cigar will, eventually, reach equlibrium. The binder and wrapper will humidify faster, but it is not possible that it will forever "insulate" the filler.

Cut the caps or not, after long enough time in the humi (I would say a month or so, although a couple of weeks is probably sufficient) the cigar will always be evenly humidified.

(:2 from a bible scholar. Take everything with a grain of salt, but know that that grain of salt may be your eternal damnation :r)

[icehog3]

Thanks for putting it more succinctly than I did, Mark.

[wayner123]

My preference for 62% came from a couple years of experimentation, starting with the 70% and gradually working my way down in humidity. I went through long periods at 70%, 67&, 65%, so I can say my preference for 62% is definitely experience-based, and I much prefer the way my cigars taste and burn at 62% over 70%..

I still am not convinced that wetting the wrapper and not having the mositure reach the filler is equivalent with an RH level affecting the filler during long term storage, but this is strictly my thoughts and I don't have any science to base it on....making the thought worthless to anyone but me. :)

I think there is a logical fallacy in this, Wayner. Granted the water didn't get to the filler within the span of a few minutes or hours, but I am SURE if you wet the cigar and let it sit for months, the extra humidity would permeate the cigar. When you have a gas-permeable solid (tobacco, in this case) and you put it in a humidified environment for a sufficient amount of time, the solid will reach equilibrium with the environment (in this case it will be evenly humidified). If you put a cigar in a 70% humi for a day, yes the filler will still be lower than the wrapper and binder, but leave it for a number of weeks or months and equilibrium will, necessarily, be reached. Thats just the nature of gases and permeable membranes.

All that to say, if Tom's cigars are in the cab/vino/humidor long enough the entire cigar will, eventually, reach equlibrium. The binder and wrapper will humidify faster, but it is not possible that it will forever "insulate" the filler.

Cut the caps or not, after long enough time in the humi (I would say a month or so, although a couple of weeks is probably sufficient) the cigar will always be evenly humidified.

(:2 from a bible scholar. Take everything with a grain of salt, but know that that grain of salt may be your eternal damnation :r)


Both very valid points. My explanation was merely a guess and based mainly on my own experiences and advice written by MRN and others.

[icehog3]

Both very valid points. My explanation was merely a guess and based mainly on my own experiences and advice written by MRN and others.

I guess experimentation and finding out what works best for us each individually is the safest bet. :)

[wayner123]

I guess experimentation and finding out what works best for us each individually is the safest bet. :)

That's signature worthy.

And that is probably the best answer to the OP's question. Try it out and see if it works for you.

[md4958]

Because more of the cigar is affected by the RH. The cap, while not airtight, does provide some insulation to the cigar's filler. So by allowing more humidity into the cigar it swells and thus "unplugs" the cigar.

*disclaimer - I am not saying this is fact or some magical effect. I am just stating what happens and what the outcome might be.

So if I understand your theory correctly, the swelling will help with a tight draw???

:hm

This kinda contradicts the common practice of letting wet cigars dry out to improve the draw.

Im no scientist, but the latter makes more sense to me.

[wayner123]

So if I understand your theory correctly, the swelling will help with a tight draw???

:hm

This kinda contradicts the common practice of letting wet cigars dry out to improve the draw.

Im no scientist, but the latter makes more sense to me.

And exactly why the discussion and question was posed. icehog3 and Bao have used a non dry box method and it worked for them.

[md4958]

And exactly why the discussion and question was posed. icehog3 and Bao have used a non dry box method and it worked for them.

Tom and Bao didnt ADD humidity to their cigars...the cigars went right back into the ambient RH that they had previously resided in. The only difference being the cap had already been cut.

Unless Tom and Bao, I read your posts incorrectly??

[itzfrank]

So if I understand your theory correctly, the swelling will help with a tight draw???

:hm

This kinda contradicts the common practice of letting wet cigars dry out to improve the draw.

Im no scientist, but the latter makes more sense to me.


When you say wet, do you mean wet or just kept in high humidity. Because , if it were actually wet, the draw would be restricted because of the actual filler sticking together. No?

[md4958]

When you say wet, do you mean wet or just kept in high humidity. Because , if it were actually wet, the draw would be restricted because of the actual filler sticking together. No?

Wet meaning the tobacco is retaining a good amount of moisture. Tobacco leaves are moistened prior to being rolled into cigars. The tobacco, being hygroscopic, will "hold on" to this moisture. Many times this results in a poor smoke. "Drying" these cigars consists of gradually reducing the humidity via rest in your humidor. The moisture in your cigar will reach an equilibrium with your humidors RH%. Could take a week, could take a couple months.

I had a box of Punch Double Coronas that were unsmokeable for 6 months.

[wayner123]

Tom and Bao didnt ADD humidity to their cigars...the cigars went right back into the ambient RH that they had previously resided in. The only difference being the cap had already been cut.

Unless Tom and Bao, I read your posts incorrectly??

That's why I asked "why" that might happen. If it's going into the same RH, then what's happening? :confused:

In the last reply I merely said they used a non-drybox method.

[itzfrank]

Wet meaning the tobacco is retaining a good amount of moisture. Tobacco leaves are moistened prior to being rolled into cigars. The tobacco, being hygroscopic, will "hold on" to this moisture. Many times this results in a poor smoke. "Drying" these cigars consists of gradually reducing the humidity via rest in your humidor. The moisture in your cigar will reach an equilibrium with your humidors RH%. Could take a week, could take a couple months.

I had a box of Punch Double Coronas that were unsmokeable for 6 months.

Thanks for the clarification.

[Mark]

Boy, these pretzels are really makin' me thirsty.

[jmsremax]

1). Would it be odd if I showed up to herfs with my cigars precut? Even if I don't smoke them all? That also brings up another question about storage.

2). Does it effect the cigar in any way to have been cut and then rested for months, maybe even years? I am still new to this cigar stuff so I was just curious.

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Is the wedding that boring Bao?

[SmokinApe]

Bao, I would look at you with disgust if you pulled a stunt like that... I would wonder "wtf? This guy cany cut his cigars at the herf like the rest of us?" I would then start a petition to have you banned...

[Mugen910]

Bao, I would look at you with disgust if you pulled a stunt like that... I would wonder "wtf? This guy cany cut his cigars at the herf like the rest of us?" I would then start a petition to have you banned...

;s

[Brutus2600]

I learned from James Suckling and my friends at that most illustrious magazine that you shouldn't cut the cigar until after you have lit it, because this way you look like more of an @sshole.


Funny + informational thread. The above quote made me lol at work :r

[klipsch]

Are these still available?

[icehog3]

Are these still available?

What, pre-cut cigars?

[GKitty]

Nooooooo... Cigar-pixies.

[KiKi]

There is a ritual just before lighting the cigar. Part of the ritual is cutting the cigar. It's like a ceremony.....don't mess with it.....spoils the fun :) (That being said, you can put them threw your paper shredder if you choose....you own 'em :) )

[OLS]

I would find that the least odd thing about you :D

Hehehehehe...ehh