iPhone Sucks and Apple are Bastards

[mosesbotbol]

I have the original iPhone and in January of 2009, it died. I think it was due to surge, but I brought it to the Apple store and they told me either upgrade for $199 or get the original phone (and no new contract) for $199. I choose to stick with the original model as it is already expensive enough and I don’t want an additional $30 a month for 3G.

Fast forward to today. My phone won’t sync with iTunes. I get “Unknown Device” error message in Windows. I tried everything; reinstall iTunes, repair the Mobile Support.msi, Start/Stop Services… Nothing would work. I brought it to the Apple store and they determined it was a device failure. My only options are paying $199 for another original phone or $199 for 3GS with a new contract. He was sympathetic that I just bought this phone and now I have to do it again with 1.5 years. Basically admitted Apple were bastards and that's it.

What BS! I am done with this friggin’ phone and Apple can stuff it. Why people think Apple is so great, I don’t know why. Windows 7 Mobile here I come!

[SouthernSmoke]

If it was within a year of purchasing the most recent phone, they should've replaced it/worked on it/at least looked at it for free. If the device failed with no user damage within one year, it is a part of Apple's warranty to be covered. That said, Apple is almost all hype. They make their money off of replacement parts/replacements when things break. IE: you cannot remove the batteries of iphones/ipads by yourself. the charger plug for an iphone/ipod is $30 and a computer charger is $80. Sorry for your frustration brother.

[mosesbotbol]

If it was within a year of purchasing the most recent phone, they should've replaced it/worked on it/at least looked at it for free.

They count the warranty from the original purchase, not the replacement purchase. The replacment only has 90 days although I paid all the money for it.

[kgoings]

Why people think Apple is so great, I don’t know why.

They pay more and then feel like that have to justify their purchase. If they admitted that they paid more for and equal or lesser product, they would be admitting they got conned.

[SouthernSmoke]

They count the warranty from the original purchase, not the replacement purchase. The replacment only has 90 days although I paid all the money for it.

I see. I would've viewed the replacement as an upgrade in itself rather than a "replacement". Sucks you got lost in the fine print. I hate that :td

[mosesbotbol]

I did not want to the 3G and new contract. Can't wait to use my girlfriend's Family Plan and get my cell phone bill under $100 again.

$1500+ a year in cell phone service seems excessive. Make any changes to your plan and AT&T takes away any roll over minutes. I am done with both AT&T and Apple.

[LasciviousXXX]

Sorry to hear about your misfortune with Apple. I have had my 3GS for almost a year now and can't imagine having to go through the things you are going through. Thankfully I have not had any problems with mine (knock on wood).

Good luck :tu

[mosesbotbol]

I'll save the iphone for Europe pre-paid and go with something else. Would like a full size keyboard for texts.

[MiamiE]

Moses I am sorry to hear about your issues with Apple. I once said I would never leave my $99 unlimited Sprint plan, but I did for the iPhone. No problems so far. Bills are about the same with my 18% discount.

[mosesbotbol]

Moses I am sorry to hear about your issues with Apple. I once said I would never leave my $99 unlimited Sprint plan, but I did for the iPhone. No problems so far. Bills are about the same with my 18% discount.

iPhone is not unique anymore. Everyone has touch screen phones with multiple app's. I want a $70 bill which I think if fair. I worked for companies that gave a 10% AT&T discount, but not the original iPhone. If I moved up for 3g, it's $30 more and there goes the discount...

Just sick of these thieves and iPad is a joke. It's 2010 and they come out with something that Windows 3.1.1. was doing in 1994...

[neoflex]

Can you not get insurance with AT&T? (Assuming that is who you are with since it's an Iphone) I know with Verizon I pay about $5 a month for insurance and if the phone gets broken or lost I can replace it with a simple deductible of $50. Hell of a lot cheaper than paying full pop especially when replacing Smart Phones. If I lose my Blackberry $50 will be a lot less painful than $300.
As far as the Iphone, I am a Mac user but refused to get the Iphone and be locked down to AT&T. Had them in the past and hated them plus I heard their service is crappy from all the Iphone users running data heavy apps. I think once Google releases the Nexus on all carriers the Iphone will have a tough competitor to contend with as it sounds like it's going to be a helluva phone.

[shilala]

Moses, it works exactly that way for me, too. Just replace the AT&T with Verizon and the iphone with any number of crap Verizon phones I had, and we could be twins. :D

[sikk50]

I got the two year warrenty extension on mine and it's paid for itself. I'm on my 4th phone, one covered for malfunction and one accidently covered a cracked screen on warrenty. Moral is always get the extended warrenty

[JE3146]

Can you not get insurance with AT&T? (Assuming that is who you are with since it's an Iphone) I know with Verizon I pay about $5 a month for insurance and if the phone gets broken or lost I can replace it with a simple deductible of $50. Hell of a lot cheaper than paying full pop especially when replacing Smart Phones. If I lose my Blackberry $50 will be a lot less painful than $300.
As far as the Iphone, I am a Mac user but refused to get the Iphone and be locked down to AT&T. Had them in the past and hated them plus I heard their service is crappy from all the Iphone users running data heavy apps. I think once Google releases the Nexus on all carriers the Iphone will have a tough competitor to contend with as it sounds like it's going to be a helluva phone.

Ditto... me and the wife have BB Storms... I immediately asked how much it'd be to replace one.. they said 600$ (this was when they first came out)..

Insurance is worth it. Haven't had to use it.. but it's nice peace of mind.

[Mugen910]

I have the original iPhone and in January of 2009, it died. I think it was due to surge, but I brought it to the Apple store and they told me either upgrade for $199 or get the original phone (and no new contract) for $199. I choose to stick with the original model as it is already expensive enough and I don’t want an additional $30 a month for 3G.

Fast forward to today. My phone won’t sync with iTunes. I get “Unknown Device” error message in Windows. I tried everything; reinstall iTunes, repair the Mobile Support.msi, Start/Stop Services… Nothing would work. I brought it to the Apple store and they determined it was a device failure. My only options are paying $199 for another original phone or $199 for 3GS with a new contract. He was sympathetic that I just bought this phone and now I have to do it again with 1.5 years. Basically admitted Apple were bastards and that's it.

What BS! I am done with this friggin’ phone and Apple can stuff it. Why people think Apple is so great, I don’t know why. Windows 7 Mobile here I come!

Finally!!! Someone sees where I'm coming from. Just a suggestion Moses, try Android over Win Mobile. You might be very surprised at the results.

Let me know I can do some searching and see if I can find any deals on cells for ya.

[Veritas]

Can you not get insurance with AT&T? (Assuming that is who you are with since it's an Iphone).
Not on the iPhone. It simply isn't an option.

I second Mugen's suggestion to check out an Android phone. I currently have a Windows Phone 6.5 (HTC Touch Pro 2) but will be switching to Android as soon as the HTC EVO 4G is released.

[Kreth]

iPhone is not unique anymore. Everyone has touch screen phones with multiple app's.
Um, Apple didn't create the smartphone concept, Palm did.
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[King James]

At least consider android or blackberry over WiMo.

Sorry about your bad experience w/ Apple, I've never had anything but positive experiences with their genius bar/customer service

[King James]

could you not get apple care on the replacement phone?

[ScottishSmoker]

I am anti-Apple...I think Steve Jobs has a God complex...the iPhone, don't get why I need it...so what if it has an app that makes it a whoopee-cushion, how is that useful...I do LOVE my BlackBerry, I cannot imagine going too anything else...look at one of those. I have had mine for slightly over two years, never once has an issue arised that is not something that the tech-retarded people like me cannot fix, even without the manual....

[systm]

Just A couple of things, Think of it as food for thought.
Sprint IS rolling out what they are calling "4G" but it's really just a supplement to 3G called WIMAX. While down the road it will be faster, the speeds will be nice and the coverage will be substantial, don't expect that when the Evo launches. While that phone is quite sexy in terms of phones, it's just a hybrid love-child of the HD2 for Tmo and the Google Nexus One/HTC Desire.

3G is and still will be the way to go for the next few years. If you do plan on getting locked into a carriers two year-we-own-your-soul contract, there is nothing to worry about other then a high bill every month unless you have one of the aforementioned discounts.

The iPhone, while a quite nice phone, does what every other TRUE smart phone does. It was magical when it first came out, now it's just a one trick pony that is striving to stay on top. Android, RIM's BlackBerry and the soon to be released Windows 7 Phone(s) are going to be taking away from Apple's market share.

Android so far has taken a pretty good chunk out, and is only going to get better once Google is able to hit em where it hurts, Flash and a robust media capable release. Right now the biggest draw back for Android and all the releases are two fold. There is too much diversity when it comes to versions of the OS; Currently 1.5, 1.6, 2.0, & 2.1. The second problem is that while it is excellent at multitasking, Gmail sync, etc, it is a terrible media device. No real sync solution or excellent media player. It has one, but nothing on the level that is comparable to Apple's iDevices.

Sorry if that was a bit long, but there is a lot of information out there.

My Recomendation?
Nexus One for T-Mobile or AT&T @ www.google.com/phone
Wait for the N1 for Verizon to Hit
Wait for the yet unannounced HTC "Incredible"
Get the Motorola Droid
Wait for the EVO for Sprint, But do not op for 4G service unless in a 4G market.

If your abroad (Europe, Asia, etc. Not US)
HTC Desire if you want a larger screen and slimmer device
HTC Legend if you want a solid phone.
Nothing Agains RIM's BB but android is the way to go up till now. Nor am I against Apple's products. Snatched up a 2G 16GB iPhone on ebay and use it off and on via T-mobile. It's nice to have easy to use media player, but the lack of multitasking is a killer.

[mosesbotbol]

could you not get apple care on the replacement phone?

That is correct. The extended warranty counts from the original purchase only. Earlier repies on getting Apple Care wouldn't have matter in the end for me.

Any phone suggestions are welcome. I plan to go to T-Mobile.

My needs:

Media Player
Good Web Browsing
Strong - Carry in my back pocket on the bike and get's moist while riding
Foreign Travel - Go to Europe
Touch Screen - like that one
Visual Voicemail - iPhone's best feature
Qwerty Keyboard - I think I need this. Looks better to SMS
Quality Feel - pure aesthetic and vanity reasons. Want something of reasonable quality.

[mosesbotbol]

Does anyone have the following phones (or knows about them) and care to share their opinions:

Sony Ericsson XPERIA X2
Nokia N900
HTC HD2
HTC Google Nexus One

[newcigarz]

Sorry to hear of your problems.

I have an original Apple iphone purchased the second day they were available, I have never had a second of trouble with it.

[AD720]

Does anyone have the following phones (or knows about them) and care to share their opinions:

Sony Ericsson XPERIA X2
Nokia N900
HTC HD2
HTC Google Nexus One

Personally I would avoid the HD2. It's the biggest screen, blah, blah but under the hood it's still Win-Mo 6.5. I've been fighting with that OS on 3 different phones for the last 2 years and finally jumped shipped to Android. I don't care how great the hardware is, that OS is crippled. Plus there is NO plan to make it upgradable with WinMo 7. (which could be a lot better than 6.5 but know MSft it won't be - already no multitasking, among other things).

Honestly anything you go to after your iPhone is going to be a rough road. Out of what you mentioned I'd lean toward the N1 I guess, it's stock vanilla Android but there are some folks over at XDA that figured out how to make it run Sense UI.

[macpappy]

Sigh.
Another bash Apple thread.

The Iphone you bought was a lemon. It happens. Other people have them and use them and don't have the problem. I have a friend who has the same Dodge pick up truck that I have (same year, different color) and he has under 75,000 miles on it and has had major engine work done. I have over 96,000 on mine and it's only been in the shop for normal routine maintenance. That doesn't make everything that Dodge makes a piece of crap.

That being said, a lot of people who bought the Iphone did so because it was "the in thing." I personally like Macintosh computers. I've used them since 1986. I have both a Mac desktop and a Macbook Pro. Three of my kids have Macbooks. You could give me a PC but I wouldn't use it. I don't like Microsoft as much as you guys don't like Apple.

And that being said, I have a Blackberry through T-Mobile.

[mosesbotbol]

Sigh.
Another bash Apple thread.

The Iphone you bought was a lemon. It happens. Other people have them and use them and don't have the problem.

I don't like Microsoft as much as you guys don't like Apple.

And that being said, I have a Blackberry through T-Mobile.

This is my 3rd iPhone, I did not mention that. The other two broke within the warranty period. In the end, all 3 were lemons.

It's not that I dislike Apple so much as disliking the cult of personality the fans have of it. Apple will make something as simple as a headphone jack proprietary and Apple fans see that as a "feature". They'll bash how Microsoft writes software yet iTunes has a new version every month. Why couldn't Apple get right after 20th revision? Apple comes out with a device that is little to offer (iPad) than their Merlin and people are waiting in line for it. Microsoft has had similar (better) products for years in this space.

My cousin did tier 2 support for Apple and you should hear his disgust for Apple and their culture. Previous to working for them, he was an Apple proponent.

[Volt]

...proprietary ...

And that's the reason I'll never buy an Apple product for myself. I gave up proprietary back when I bought my Tandy 286 computer. No more sole source for apps, repairs, additional hardware, etc for me. I have too many needs and want options. Back when I had to price some stuff for wrok I was asked to look at some Apple laptops for the bosses. End result, I showed the Boss I could buy her a new laptop every 2 years for the cost of a comprarable MAC. They just wouldn't have cute Apples and colors on it (back when most M$ types were still black).

BTW, for the fanboyz, I'm not really bashing MAC, I hold the same thoughts to any product I have to buy. Sometimes I am forced into a specific item, but I really try to avoid them.

Sorry you had issues with the Iphone but in some ways most warranties are very similiar. I have to agree with I think it was Jordan, on any item that is used such as a cell that gets carried on the hip, dropped, etc and costs from $200 - $600, I'd get the insurance. I know my work cell which is all I carry, we have insurance on all of them.

[AD720]

Personally I would avoid the HD2. It's the biggest screen, blah, blah but under the hood it's still Win-Mo 6.5. I've been fighting with that OS on 3 different phones for the last 2 years and finally jumped shipped to Android. I don't care how great the hardware is, that OS is crippled. Plus there is NO plan to make it upgradable with WinMo 7. (which could be a lot better than 6.5 but know MSft it won't be - already no multitasking, among other things).

Honestly anything you go to after your iPhone is going to be a rough road. Out of what you mentioned I'd lean toward the N1 I guess, it's stock vanilla Android but there are some folks over at XDA that figured out how to make it run Sense UI.

Also wanted to add that the Nexus One will get the Android OS updates fastest, there is no third party (HTC or Moto) that needs to take the OS update and apply it to their product.

[jmsremax]

Moses, it works exactly that way for me, too. Just replace the AT&T with Verizon and the iphone with any number of crap Verizon phones I had, and we could be twins. :D

Did you get the Droid? My buddy has one and it is sick.

[jmsremax]

That is correct. The extended warranty counts from the original purchase only. Earlier repies on getting Apple Care wouldn't have matter in the end for me.

Any phone suggestions are welcome. I plan to go to T-Mobile.

My needs:

Media Player
Good Web Browsing
Strong - Carry in my back pocket on the bike and get's moist while riding
Foreign Travel - Go to Europe
Touch Screen - like that one
Visual Voicemail - iPhone's best feature
Qwerty Keyboard - I think I need this. Looks better to SMS
Quality Feel - pure aesthetic and vanity reasons. Want something of reasonable quality.

You should look at Verizon and the Droid. :tu

[Wanger]

I don't have an iPhone, but am looking at getting one when my contract with T-Mobile is up (HATE them). My wife has had her iPhone for over a year, and had no problems at all. In the past, she's had issues with other phones she's had. At one point, she went through 3 Motorola phones (while I had only one, of the same model she had, within that same time frame). She had issues with a Nokia that she got (while I again had no issues with the same model).

The point is that it may be more related to the person than the phone itself. How you handle it and store it, etc. I'm not saying that you didn't take care of it, but just the minute differences in how you use and interact with the device may be the root cause of all the issues. Or you've just had bad luck. Who knows?

We have an iMac and a Macbook, and I really am a fan of the software and the usability, and how the different software pieces interact. I wanted to try to hackintosh my netbook, but couldn't get it done (I'm a semi-tard, when it somes to things like that), and found out I'd have to replace the internal modem (or whatever it's called now) in the netbook if I hacked it. That being said, if I had the choice between a Mac and a Windows system, I'd choose the Mac.

All i can say is good luck with whatever you choose. I know you'll hear from people who love it and people who hate it, too.

[King James]

You should look at Verizon and the Droid. :tu

I have a Droid and like it. Word is the iPhone is coming to Verizon, but I'm almost positive Moses would not be interested in that! hah

[Mugen910]

I'd be careful about the Nexus. Read somewhere about the screen cracking very easily. Try to pick up an Android.

[replicant_argent]

Not that I ever read the fine print on a contract, but I assume you signed the contract or read the warranty info before you purchased the device(s). I imagine what they are responsible for and will cover is spelled out there. I imagine they held up their end of that piece of paper.
That being said, I like Motorola phones, usually, although I do not currently have one, and have gotten a crappy one here and there. Life goes on.

[Mugen910]

Moses I would check and see how Tmo does in your area for service. They have never given me problems but I don't live in the city.

[shilala]

I should have mentioned, Moses, even though Apple doesn't provide an accidental breakage warranty, Square Trade does. It's pricey and doesn't really cover the whole investment, but it's something. It cost me $105.00 (iirc) for my 32gb 3Gs, I had a $50.00 deductible, and it paid me $450.00 when I dropped my phone in the ocean.
So i only lost about 200 bucks for my stupidity. It was way better than what I was faced with.
Someone told me Apple will do an "out of warranty exchange" on phones for a hundred bucks. I don't know if there's any truth to that, and I didn't look into it. If I ever have trouble in the future, I will.
At ebay, there's lots of guys that do that same $100ish exchange. A person sends their broken (intact) phone and pays around a hundred bucks for a replacement. I did check that out and those seller's feedback wasn't bad.
Iphones are definately a money pit, no doubt. It doesn't phase me, I'd still have to spend the money somewhere else for phones and service I don't enjoy remotely as much.

[aich75013]

I've actually had good luck with the Apple people.
I am on my third iPhone as well. I've also had 2 screens replaced (one for no reason.)

1. Screen replaced because home button wouldn't work half the time.
2. Phone replaced because the back was cracking. I always kept it in a hard case. Apparently they have had some issues here.
3. One month out of warranty, I had problems with my phone automatically going into headphone mode. They replaced the screen. (Even though I tried to tell them that wouldn't fix it. No charge.
4. One month out of warranty, phone replaced because phone would still go into headphone mode. No charge.

Basically, I knew it was out of warranty and was ready to purchase a new phone if needed. The girl at the Apple store was very nice, and joked with me about me being cut off due to my warranty being expired. She still replaced it for free.
I was prepared to have to buy a new phone because any carrier would have the same policy if there was no warranty. Buy a new phone or sign a new contract for a discount on a new phone. Been there, done that.

[King James]

Apple comes out with a device that is little to offer (iPad) than their Merlin and people are waiting in line for it. Microsoft has had similar (better) products for years in this space.

I think the iPad may end up surprising you, Moses.... maybe not enough to go out and get one, but its use as an ebook reader alone is pretty impressive if you ever get hands-on with one.

And I'm not sure which microsoft product is better, the iPad sold some 500,000 I think in the first couple days so there has to be something to offer there

[mosesbotbol]

I think the iPad may end up surprising you, Moses.... maybe not enough to go out and get one, but its use as an ebook reader alone is pretty impressive if you ever get hands-on with one.

And I'm not sure which microsoft product is better, the iPad sold some 500,000 I think in the first couple days so there has to be something to offer there

If Apple said to jump of a bridge, how many would do it first couple of days? Their loyalty is seen as a negative to Wozniak (sp). He feels their blind brand loyalty may hurt their innovation in the end. I read that a few months ago in an interview.

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That being said, I like Motorola phones, usually, although I do not currently have one, and have gotten a crappy one here and there. Life goes on.

Motorola phones are durable and I like that. They were also the most innovative brand at times, but have slipped off. My Razor had problems with alphabetizing names and no one had an answer for that. I go back to my Razor when each iPhone dies. I would consider an Motorola product for sure.

[Mugen910]

sorry to threadjack but Newegg.com (http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?nm_mc=AFC-SlickDeals&cm_mmc=AFC-SlickDeals-_-NA-_-NA-_-NA&Submit=ENE&Manufactory=11100&N=50011100&SpeTabStoreType=0) is having a sale on all otterbox cell phone casings.

[shilala]

sorry to threadjack but Newegg.com (http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?nm_mc=AFC-SlickDeals&cm_mmc=AFC-SlickDeals-_-NA-_-NA-_-NA&Submit=ENE&Manufactory=11100&N=50011100&SpeTabStoreType=0) is having a sale on all otterbox cell phone casings.
I checked the Defender for iphone, Bao. It's 29.99. The same price my last four were. Maybe the other models may be cheaper, but it appears a typical "jack the price up and then take it off to create an imaginary bargain".
Mine came from ebay and amazon.

[floydpink]

My neighbor is a computer wiz and unlocked his Iphone and uses it on T=Mobile and is always offering to do stuff to mine, but I tell him to stay away as I like it like it is.

Just got the Otterbox defender off Ebay for 32 bucks shipped as opposed to the 60 they are charging in the Att&T store.

I have guys at work who won't use Iphones due to their complaints about how it runs certain business apps that I don't know about or use.

For me, it's cool and keeps me all nice and organized and that's worth the price.

[AD720]

sorry to threadjack but Newegg.com (http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?nm_mc=AFC-SlickDeals&cm_mmc=AFC-SlickDeals-_-NA-_-NA-_-NA&Submit=ENE&Manufactory=11100&N=50011100&SpeTabStoreType=0) is having a sale on all otterbox cell phone casings.

I checked the Defender for iphone, Bao. It's 29.99. The same price my last four were. Maybe the other models may be cheaper, but it appears a typical "jack the price up and then take it off to create an imaginary bargain".
Mine came from ebay and amazon.

The one for the Eris is only $10 though! Thanks Bao!:D

[kydsid]

Personally I would avoid the HD2. It's the biggest screen, blah, blah but under the hood it's still Win-Mo 6.5. I've been fighting with that OS on 3 different phones for the last 2 years and finally jumped shipped to Android. I don't care how great the hardware is, that OS is crippled. Plus there is NO plan to make it upgradable with WinMo 7. (which could be a lot better than 6.5 but know MSft it won't be - already no multitasking, among other things).

Honestly anything you go to after your iPhone is going to be a rough road. Out of what you mentioned I'd lean toward the N1 I guess, it's stock vanilla Android but there are some folks over at XDA that figured out how to make it run Sense UI.



Actually the HD2 will get WinMo7. Whether your carrier will do it is another thing. But HTC will be doing an upgrade. And as far as WinMo7 is concerned I have used it and it seems very bloated. Maybe once the custom roms come out it will be better. As for 6.5 put SPB Mobile Shell on it and it is awesome. That said if you are not comfortable putting custom roms or overlay programs on your phone, any WinMo phone is probably not a good idea. What makes them the best IMO is the huge amount of customization available from the community of users.

[AD720]

Actually the HD2 will get WinMo7. Whether your carrier will do it is another thing. But HTC will be doing an upgrade. And as far as WinMo7 is concerned I have used it and it seems very bloated. Maybe once the custom roms come out it will be better. As for 6.5 put SPB Mobile Shell on it and it is awesome. That said if you are not comfortable putting custom roms or overlay programs on your phone, any WinMo phone is probably not a good idea. What makes them the best IMO is the huge amount of customization available from the community of users.

I stand corrected, but agree with you on the carrier holding updates back.

I ran SPB Mobile Shell, Manilla 2D, Titanium, Sense UI, you name it. Still doesn't change the fact that underneath that sweet looking UI is laggy, buggy Windows Mobile. I've flashed custom ROMs, lite ROMs, leaked ROMs, hacked ROMs and landed on one I really liked until I realized that the build the chef baked off of was "time-bombed" to quit on May 1 2010. Finally I gave up.:bh

My Eris should be here today. :) It will be weird not installing those handful of programs Ive been using for 2 years. I just have to hold out until the Incredible specs are confirmed then I will decide between that and the N1.

[aich75013]

Actually the HD2 will get WinMo7. Whether your carrier will do it is another thing. But HTC will be doing an upgrade. And as far as WinMo7 is concerned I have used it and it seems very bloated. Maybe once the custom roms come out it will be better. As for 6.5 put SPB Mobile Shell on it and it is awesome. That said if you are not comfortable putting custom roms or overlay programs on your phone, any WinMo phone is probably not a good idea. What makes them the best IMO is the huge amount of customization available from the community of users.

I agree.
I had a WinMo phone before the iPhone. It was slow and sluggish to the point it pissed me off. That's when I switched to the iPhone. I was much happier.
I wasn't willing to put a custom ROM on it, but from what I heard that was the answer to it being so slow.

[shilala]

I agree.
I had a WinMo phone before the iPhone. It was slow and sluggish to the point it pissed me off. That's when I switched to the iPhone. I was much happier.
I wasn't willing to put a custom ROM on it, but from what I heard that was the answer to it being so slow.
I used winmo for as long as I could stand it. I know everyone likes to compare winmo to iphone, but they aren't anything remotely alike. I can only imagine how windows 7 on a phone will suck, but I'll reserve my opinion until I actually put win7 in my hands.
I've considered jailbreaking my iphone, but I have yet to find a reason to do it. My iphone is more of a toy than a tool to me. I don't rely on it for business, I use my desktop for that, and just use my iphone to augment my desktop in a pinch.
I am definately looking forward to playing with the droid just so I can see what it does in case I can make use of it. So far I have never found a smartphone that does anything well. At least anything I need.
I take that back. I have found a bunch that hang when multitasking, slog through any decent amount of data, and make me want to pull my hair out. :D
It's been almost a year since I've previewed any smartphones, I'd like to find something new to b!tch about. :)

[Kreth]

If Apple said to jump of a bridge, how many would do it first couple of days? Their loyalty is seen as a negative to Wozniak (sp). He feels their blind brand loyalty may hurt their innovation in the end. I read that a few months ago in an interview.
Absolutely. At this point, Jobs could take an iCrap in a bag and the Apple faithful would fight for the chance to own it.
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[mithrilG60]

The iPhone, while a quite nice phone, does what every other TRUE smart phone does. It was magical when it first came out, now it's just a one trick pony that is striving to stay on top. Android, RIM's BlackBerry and the soon to be released Windows 7 Phone(s) are going to be taking away from Apple's market share.

I would agree with this statement regarding Droid and Win7 based phones, but not regarding Blackberry. Of all the current smart phones on the market, BB is the least functional and is the only one I'd classify as a one trick pony. In fact I'd classify it as borderline obsolete and it will soon be a dying pony if RIM doesn't pull on their innovation panties and come up with a new device in very short order. Despite being essentially nothing more than an email enabled PDA, the BB has survived, basically unchanged, as the defacto smart phone for business applications since it was launched almost a decade ago for two simple reasons:

1) BES integration into MS Exchange
2) corporate inertia towards large scale changes

BB is only just starting to break into the consumer space, and is most failing against the iPhone (and now the Droid's) simply because as a platform it's too focused on business productivity. Since it's introduction it's been basically a glorified Palm Pilot that does over-the-air email/calendar/contacts sync'ing, everything else a smart phone does is a kludge or a hack or both on a BB....... and "everything else" is something which most non-business users care about on at least an equal footing with with email and calendar (probably more). Until RIM manages to innovate a new non-business consumer orientated phone they won't get significant market penetration outside their core area of strength, the corporate enterprise market.

Retaining the corporate market is going to become a major concern for RIM because of one technology: ActiveSync. A true push email/calendar/contacts integration system used to be the sole domain of BES, and it was that mechanism alone that made the BB the ubiquitous corporate device that it currently is. However now that ActiveSync is embedded in Exchange, and included in your Exchange licensing costs unlike BES which is a pricey add-on, it's child's play to set up a true push sync with any iPhone, Droid or Win7 phone. No longer are you tied to a BB if you want your corporate email/calendar/contact, and all the recent survey's I've seen have indicated roughly 7 of 10 current BB users are planning to switch to an iPhone or Droid when their current phone contract expires. When 70% of your customer base is saying they want to switch from your product at their next opportunity, you'd be well advised as a company to sit up and pay attention!

The iPhone, Droid and Win7 phones all have FAR better, more usable interface and RIM's attempt to implement a similar device (the Storm) were not well received because the accuracy of the touch screen was horrible. Similarly finding apps for a Blackberry, surfing the web, etc. are all extremely painful on a BB. While there are certainly hundreds of thousands of meaningless and trival apps for the iPhone there are still hundreds, if not thousands, of really good apps as well. The same be be the case with the Droid once there's been enough time for developers to build unique apps.

[Mugen910]

Absolutely. At this point, Jobs could take an iCrap in a bag and the Apple faithful would fight for the chance to own it.
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Rep for Imagery.

[cricky101]

I've tried the Droid and had a Blackberry for a while but they don't compare to what I can do with my iPhone 3gs (it's the only Apple product I've ever tried). It would be tough for me to go back to using another smart phone at this point.

[Mugen910]

I've tried the Droid and had a Blackberry for a while but they don't compare to what I can do with my iPhone 3gs (it's the only Apple product I've ever tried). It would be tough for me to go back to using another smart phone at this point.

I'd love to hear what you can do on your iPhone that cannot be done on a Droid/BB that would make you so loyal?

[Volt]

Absolutely. At this point, Jobs could take an iCrap in a bag and the Apple faithful would fight for the chance to own it.
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:r Ok, that almost got the coffee all over the screen. Sadly though, I work with 2 that you note sounds exactly as if you know them. :D

[mithrilG60]

It's not that I dislike Apple so much as disliking the cult of personality the fans have of it. Apple will make something as simple as a headphone jack proprietary and Apple fans see that as a "feature".

Every product has it's fanboi's, the more niche the product the more rabid and insular (and loud) they tend to be. That's even more so when you're dealing with a company like Apple who's products tend to be highly (read: over) priced fashion accessories/statements for some of their customer base.

Don't get me wrong, Mac is a fabulous OS and if you're a graphics, photography, video or design professional there's nothing better on the market today. However if, like most people, you use your computer primarily for email/web/documents/looking at pictures/watching video, any Windows or Linux based PC can do just as good a job for 50% or less the total cost. For many people that choose Mac, the extra cost simply doesn't matter that much. They're happy to pay the premium for their chosen platform and quietly go on doing their thing, just as most Windows and Linux users do.

For a small subset though they have to try to justify their purchase in their own mind and that expresses itself in the stereotypical "RAH RAH RAH, Mac is so much better than everything else. RAH RAH RAH!!" fanboi-ism that's become associated with Apple people. You see the same thing in the Linux world, just with the cool factor that Mac has replaced by a geek factor. Rarely do you see it with Windows, but that's just because it's hard to get that passionate about something which is the defacto standard and on 95% of the machines out there.

[Volt]

...

For a small subset though they have to try to justify their purchase in their own mind and that expresses itself in the stereotypical "RAH RAH RAH, Mac is so much better than everything else. RAH RAH RAH!!" fanboi-ism that's become associated with. You see the same thing in the Linux world, just with the cool factor that Mac has replaced by a geek factor. Rarely do you see it with Windows, but that's just because it's hard to get that passionate about something which is the defacto standard and on 95% of the machines out there.

As a IT type this has been a great thread to follow and I've learned a good bit. You summed it up so well in this statement spot on. People who turn a blind eye to their favorite (pick any item here) scare me. Nothing is perfect. At times on the other hand, they do provide me with many hours of amusement in reading the flame wars at times. Today though, it's been nice to see that hasn't happened here. Lot's of good discussion on pro and cons of many phones I have not had a chance to use.

[mosesbotbol]

Lot's of good discussion on pro and cons of many phones I have not had a chance to use.

Indeed.

[mithrilG60]

People who turn a blind eye to their favorite (pick any item here) scare me. Nothing is perfect. At times on the other hand, they do provide me with many hours of amusement in reading the flame wars at times. Today though, it's been nice to see that hasn't happened here. Lot's of good discussion on pro and cons of many phones I have not had a chance to use.

I'd agree, also as an IT type ;) I'm on the server/infrastructure side for a large health authority. We used to be an exclusively Blackberry shop but just recently opened up ActiveSync to iPhone's, basically because of pressure from our users. No Droid's allowed yet, but I'm sure that'll come once enough exec's or doctor's start demanding it. In the last 6 month's we've received maybe 3 or 4 requests to add a Blackberry to the system, everything has been either iPhone or Droid. I personally just ditched my Blackberry in favour of an iPhone (the only Apple product I'll use) because I couldn't stand the limitations of the BB platform anymore. I probably would have gone Droid instead if it'd been an option for syncing with Exchange but c'est la vie.

[Kreth]

I'm an old school Palm fan, but I think Droid will end up being the big winner in the smartphone space. WinMo flat out sucks, iPhone forces you to accept too much proprietary bs, RIM/Blackberry has their annual server outages... Palm's WebOS was a nice effort, but I think it was too little, too late. I read an uncomfirmed report on Engadget Mobile (IIRC) that they are now looking at Droid as well.
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[systm]

Also wanted to add that the Nexus One will get the Android OS updates fastest, there is no third party (HTC or Moto) that needs to take the OS update and apply it to their product.
Thats really now irrelevant, they are slowing the update cycle for android. The revisions on the OS are much slower now then they were with 1.0 - 1.6.


If I was looking for a phone I'd look for one that has the features NOW, rather then wait for an update.

I've had the G1 since Day 1 and have been playing with it, ROMS, UIs, and SPLS and I know the average person doesn't want to deal with that. It's not fun, i even bricked my phone once.

Actually the HD2 will get WinMo7. Whether your carrier will do it is another thing. But HTC will be doing an upgrade


I'd like to believe that but the sad truth is that it's not. Windows wont allow the phone to have for something along the lines of having too many keys or not a dedicated bing search key.
Very lame, BUT xda-developers will come through with a work around, just don't expect official support.

[Mugen910]

Well if Palm gets bought out soon maybe their webOS will get a nice face lift.

[systm]

I've read reports that it's a futile effort to give a terminally ill company a remodel..
No one is going to buy Palm when they can hire the people after it crumbles and license the IPs

[replicant_argent]

apply all the bashing back and forth as CC v. NC, Fuente v. Pepin, Zaya v. Zacapa, Pepsi v. Coke.


Like what you do, do what you like. Rabid sniping over platforms is masturbatory flagellation for a largely subjective thing. Things are worth what you get out of it. I like my HTC because it is the only one of its color, so piss off. :D

[King James]

I'd love to hear what you can do on your iPhone that cannot be done on a Droid/BB that would make you so loyal?

I have a droid, but there are things that the iPhone does that my droid can't.

It has a far superior app store for one. Also, since I use itunes and mobileme and have 2 Macs, the seamless syncing between the devices would be much smoother, some things (like access to my iDisk) I can't do at all on my Droid.

Something I like that my droid does that an iphone couldn't would be complete a call or have 3G since ATT blows

[Mugen910]

I have a droid, but there are things that the iPhone does that my droid can't.

It has a far superior app store for one. Also, since I use itunes and mobileme and have 2 Macs, the seamless syncing between the devices would be much smoother, some things (like access to my iDisk) I can't do at all on my Droid.

Something I like that my droid does that an iphone couldn't would be complete a call or have 3G since ATT blows

I think the market app store for android is very good. I can find every app I need and usually free.

I guess if you're a mac user the itunes would matter..but I just pop my 16 gig card out of my G-1 and into my PC and easily transfer files.

[King James]

I think the market app store for android is very good. I can find every app I need and usually free.

I guess if you're a mac user the itunes would matter..but I just pop my 16 gig card out of my G-1 and into my PC and easily transfer files.

Which is why an iPhone for you may not be the right answer :)

But come on, I'm not saying the Android market is crap, but there is no way you can honestly say its on par with apple. Not only in its number of apps, but how you can search, update, etc

[CigarNut]

I've tried the Droid and had a Blackberry for a while but they don't compare to what I can do with my iPhone 3gs (it's the only Apple product I've ever tried). It would be tough for me to go back to using another smart phone at this point.
:tpd:

[mithrilG60]

So is anyone else following the iPhone 4.0 sneak peak? Live right now ;)

http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/08/live-from-apples-iphone-os-4-event/?sort=newest&refresh=60

Biggest announcements so far:

1) Multitasking (FINALLY)

- including the ability for background music, phone, VoIP and location services

2) Folders for App organization.

3) Enhanced email

- support for integrated inbox
- multiple Exchange accounts
- open attachements directly from email with apps from app store

4) iBooks

5) Enterprise features

- better data security
- mobile device management (this sounds like a BES-like feature of remotely disabling devices)
- wireless app distribution
- Exchange 2010 and SSL VPN support
- looks like Apple is finally starting to make very aggressive steps into the enterprise market, as I mentioned before, RIM needs to innovate or the pressure from iPhone and Droid will remove them from their core business

6) More and better gaming

7) iAd - mobile advertising

- great more ads, more a end user perspective this is not exciting at all :(

[mosesbotbol]

My original plan was to wait for the iPhone 4.0 to come out and then replace my current phone, but now I am in a situation as I can't sync the phone as like most really need the phone to its fullest capacity. I don't want to spend $200 for 3 months, in order to spend it again on an iPhone 4.0.

On top of it all, I think AT&T is just too expensive.

After my exprience over the last couple of weeks, the iPhone has lefta bad note with me. The only thing that could win me over is if AT&T gives me a free iPhone once I say I am leaving, but that'll never happen.

How easy is to port your telephone number from one carrier to the next?

[King James]

How easy is to port your telephone number from one carrier to the next?

Quick and painless when i switched from ATT to Verizon years ago. I wouldn't see it getting more difficult so should be a breeze, they did it automatically for me @ Verizon when i switched :tu

[aich75013]

How easy is to port your telephone number from one carrier to the next?

As long as you are out of contract, easy.
I was told that I could port my number while still in contract (just keep paying the remainder of my contract) when I left Sprint, but found out that was untrue. I fought with Sprint as they cancelled my contract and tried to charge me for breaking my contract, even though it was their own reps that said I could do it.

[Mugen910]

Which is why an iPhone for you may not be the right answer :)

But come on, I'm not saying the Android market is crap, but there is no way you can honestly say its on par with apple. Not only in its number of apps, but how you can search, update, etc

I'm not sure what you mean? I can search for apps and update the current apps I have. I don't know about numbers but I cannot honestly say that having more apps means they are better.


How easy is to port your telephone number from one carrier to the next?

The only thing you have to know is not to cancel your current plan. Let your new provider do the number porting first.

[mithrilG60]

1) Multitasking (FINALLY)

- including the ability for background music, phone, VoIP and location services

This one apparently will work only on iPhone 3Gs, iTouch 3rd gen and iPad.

[King James]

I'm not sure what you mean? I can search for apps and update the current apps I have. I don't know about numbers but I cannot honestly say that having more apps means they are better.


I never said more is better. But with more comes better quality, more variety, etc.

And you don't have a format like itunes (not just on the device) that is anywhere near as good for searching and reviewing/previewing.

And what about an "update all" button? really bugs me the droid doesn't have that

[Mugen910]

I never said more is better. But with more comes better quality, more variety, etc.

And you don't have a format like itunes (not just on the device) that is anywhere near as good for searching and reviewing/previewing.

And what about an "update all" button? really bugs me the droid doesn't have that

Doesn't the Droid have a notification of your apps most recent updates?

[King James]

Doesn't the Droid have a notification of your apps most recent updates?

yah, and then you get to update them all individually

[Mugen910]

yah, and then you get to update them all individually

ah ok...I guess I'm just one to like updating specific apps.

[shilala]

This one apparently will work only on iPhone 3Gs, iTouch 3rd gen and iPad.
It's not gonna hit ipad till Fall. It's nice that it's come around. Changes pretty much everything to a good end. :tu

[mosesbotbol]

Just went to T-Mobile, my phone choices are:

Mytouch
G1
HTC HD2
Samsung Behold 2
Motorola Cliq

Are there the expert opinions on these?

[D_A]

Just went to T-Mobile, my phone choices are:

Mytouch
G1
HTC HD2
Samsung Behold 2
Motorola Cliq

Are there the expert opinions on these?

Don't really know anything about those phones, but did see in the news recently where t-mobile was paying people with iphones to switch to a hd2
http://news.cnet.com/8301-17938_105-10472925-1.html
I didn't really read any of the details or fine print, I'll leave that up to you :tu

[Mugen910]

Mytouch - Not Bad
G1 - I love having a real keyboard
HTC HD2 - no exp
Samsung Behold 2 - no exp
Motorola Cliq - Very heavy and OS hasn't update.

[AD720]

Just went to T-Mobile, my phone choices are:

Mytouch
G1
HTC HD2
Samsung Behold 2
Motorola Cliq

Are there the expert opinions on these?

I'm not an expert on T-Mobile phones but I know the g-1 has been around for a while. It's bulky compared to the iPhone as well. I have hear good things about the MyTouch 3g (it runs Android).

[CigarNut]

So is anyone else following the iPhone 4.0 sneak peak? ...
http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/08/live-from-apples-iphone-os-4-event/?sort=newest&refresh=60 ...Do they have an ETA?

[mosesbotbol]

Just went to T-Mobile, my phone choices are:

Mytouch
G1
HTC HD2
Samsung Behold 2
Motorola Cliq

Are there the expert opinions on these?

This list is based on the one feature I just love on the iPhone - Visual Voicemail. I could never go back to dialing my queue.

[Mugen910]

What is the diff with iPhone Visual VM and Google Voice?

[marge796]

This question may have already been answered and I missed it so here I go. I'll be home in May and I want to drop my sprint phone and get an iphone. Will the new iphone 4.0 be out by the end of May?

Thanks,

Chris.....

[shilala]

This question may have already been answered and I missed it so here I go. I'll be home in May and I want to drop my sprint phone and get an iphone. Will the new iphone 4.0 be out by the end of May?

Thanks,

Chris.....
Not till summer, Chris. That probably means late September.

[AD720]

Not till summer, Chris. That probably means late September.


:tpd: Or X-Mass.

[shilala]

:tpd: Or X-Mass.
lol. Yup. There's that, too. :)

[marge796]

Thanks guys, I might just hold off until the end of the year to upgrade my sprint phone.


:tu


Chris.....

[mosesbotbol]

June has been the tradition for new phone released from June. Does not mean it is written in stone...

[AD720]

Moses is the Behold 2 an option?

http://reviews.cnet.com/smartphones/samsung-behold-ii-t/4505-6452_7-33775406.html

Seems nice. My last phone was a Samsung and, like I said, the hardware was excellent.

[mithrilG60]

Do they have an ETA?

They are quoting a release date of "summer" for iPhone OS 4.0. Note that this is just the operating system they're talking about, there has been no announcement for the iPhone model that will replace the 3Gs yet. If Apple's patter hold's true, that will likely happen in June.

[The Poet]

My total Apple experience is limited to surfing a little on a friend's MacBook, and I have never owned any cellphone of any type. But I noticed the "Thumbs Down" rating this thread got, so looked to see the reason. For the life of me, I can't find one - unless Steve Jobs is a CA member.

All I'll say is, when an outsider like myself compares specs and price of Apple against other products, one wonders who would pay twice as much for half the product. That would make it four times better, and I find that hard to believe.

Oh, BTW, my Apple friend mentioned above now owns a PC laptop.

[Kreth]

But I noticed the "Thumbs Down" rating this thread got, so looked to see the reason. For the life of me, I can't find one - unless Steve Jobs is a CA member.
The Apple faithful are probably not happy that anyone would dare question the glory that is the iPhone. :r
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[LasciviousXXX]

Hey hey now!!!! Are you implying that Iphone isn't worthy of such glory???? BLASPHEMY!!!!!

I love my Iphone :tu

[wolfandwhisky]

The Apple faithful are probably not happy that anyone would dare question the glory that is the iPhone. :r
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:tpd:

You're just not cool if you own a Thinkpad/PC, Android, Blackberry, or Zune.

[King James]

The Apple faithful are probably not happy that anyone would dare question the glory that is the iPhone. :r
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I don't see very many, if any, "fanboy" statements in this thread, just people explaining why they do like the iphone.

I sometimes think the PC or Palm fans are more guilty of the fanboyisms then they let on ;)


In fact there really isn't any bashing going on from iphone users against other products, only from that side against apple

[spectrrr]

Just went to T-Mobile, my phone choices are:

Mytouch
G1
HTC HD2
Samsung Behold 2
Motorola Cliq

Are there the expert opinions on these?

awwww.. shucks, I was just about to jump in the fray with a whole hearted endorsement of the moto droid. :sad

[mosesbotbol]

Hey hey now!!!! Are you implying that Iphone isn't worthy of such glory???? BLASPHEMY!!!!!

I love my Iphone :tu

In general, I enjoyed my iPhone except for a few things. The self learning dictionary is horrible. Spell a word wrong and it remembers it, there's no way to get rid of it unless you wipe out the whole phone. Real clever idea from Apple. If T-Mobile gets the iPhone with full functions (Visual Voicemail), I would consider the next one that comes out this summer.

The iPhone was the first of a phone I had been waiting forever for; touchscreen with a nice UI. For that, it was worth it, but just like Personal Computer from IBM, it wasn't the end, just the beginning. How many are using IBM desktops now? Not that they are bad, they are not.

[The Poet]

I truly wonder how much Apple loyalty is merely Gates-phobia.

[King James]

I truly wonder how much Apple loyalty is merely Gates-phobia.

Bill Gates is the devil! :tf



actually, its Balmer (aka the antichrist) you gotta look out for!

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1274983729713522403#

[AD720]

Do we really need another Mac vs PC thread? :rolleyes:

How about Ford vs. Chevy, just for a change? ;)

[Kreth]

The market has certainly changed. I remember when Motorola's Star Tac was *the* phone to have. :r
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[King James]

The market has certainly changed. I remember when Motorola's Star Tac was *the* phone to have. :r
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it was a tank that always worked too, i don't think you could break the damn thing if you tried

[spectrrr]

ok... some quick comments. I could easily write a dissertation on this one, but i'll try to resist.

After being a lifetime Windows Mobile user, I switched to the moto droid back in November. Best thing I ever did. The simple truth of the matter is, Windows Mobile will ALWAYS disappoint you in the end. You'll be waiting for the next release (in this case winmo7), but when it finally comes out, and FINALLY is available on your device a year later, you'll discover that it is already 2 years out of date, and it will still be running the same flawed platform. I just can't recommend WinMo at all... and I'm a mac hating windows guy.

Moses, you seem like a tech savvy guy, so you may even be able to experiment with the custom roms for Android. I've had GREAT success with them after going through a couple day learning curve, and I really upped the responsiveness of my phone. Regarding updates, if you install a rom like Cyanogen's, he pulls his stuff out of the android source tree directly, So you DONT have to wait for it to filter down through HTC, Motorola, Verizon, etc. ... and the custom rom scene these days is A LOT better than it was in the early G1 days. There's some solid options and less chance of bricking -- I know the Droid has a recovery option that basically ensures is impossible to brick the phone unless the power fails while you are running that recovery.... and the Nexus 1 has BUILT IN support for changing roms, no hacking required.

Android is a young platform and is just now getting its act in gear... but honestly, It's on track to be on par win WinMo7 by the time it comes out.... and keep improving from there. The Droid really pushed it into the mainstream, and from that we've seen an explosion of interest, developers, and apps.

Visual Voice mail is becoming available on a lot of phones these days. It was an option for my droid, tho I use something else. I use www.simulscribe.com - few bucks a month and I get my voicemails converted to text and emailed/txted to me. if I want to listen to it, I just click the attachment in my email (on the phone of course).... but I rarely have to listen to it, its usually accurate enough not to need it.

just a few thoughts from my end...

[spectrrr]

The market has certainly changed. I remember when Motorola's Star Tac was *the* phone to have. :r
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it was a tank that always worked too, i don't think you could break the damn thing if you tried

:tpd: I had one of those for YEARS.... thing was indestructible and always had a signal.

[Kreth]

it was a tank that always worked too, i don't think you could break the damn thing if you tried
Are you thinking of the MicroTac? That was the one that looked like a (slightly) smaller version of the military walkie-talkies. The StarTac was a tiny flip phone (I think it may have been the first flip phone). It's still smaller than a lot of modern phones.
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[King James]

Are you thinking of the MicroTac? That was the one that looked like a (slightly) smaller version of the military walkie-talkies. The StarTac was a tiny flip phone (I think it may have been the first flip phone). It's still smaller than a lot of modern phones.
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Nope, I meant the startac.... and yes it was the first flip phone

I meant a tank as far as construction, not size

[Kreth]

Nope, I meant the startac.... and yes it was the first flip phone

I meant a tank as far as construction, not size
Yeah, they were pretty durable. I think I still have my black StarTac around somewhere. The MicroTac looked like you could run it over and still make a call.
Anyway, back to topic. From the mobile news I follow, it seems more and more companies are jumping on the Android bandwagon. Seems funny, but the iPhone is IE in this market to Android's Firefox.
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[Mugen910]

Francis why do you subscribe to that program when google voice has a speech transcriber that does the same for free? I get my VM through email and txtmsg.
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[King James]

Android is a solid platform, I really do like my Droid. And it isn't like any other companies could even hop on the iPhone OS bandwagon if they wanted to. Will be interesting to see what happens if it actually does come to Verizon

[Kreth]

Android is a solid platform, I really do like my Droid. And it isn't like any other companies could even hop on the iPhone OS bandwagon if they wanted to. Will be interesting to see what happens if it actually does come to Verizon
Well, right now I think Apple benefits from AT&T's anti-CDMA ads. Personally, I don't consider it a big deal to hang up a call, look up something on Google Maps or the web, then call back or send an e-mail (I'm on Sprint).
You're right, though: expanding to more carriers can only help the iPhone. The question is, will Apple take that step quick enough to counter Android's growing presence? I think pretty much every carrier has an Android-based phone or three by now. People like choices, especially us geeks.
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[spectrrr]

Francis why do you subscribe to that program when google voice has a speech transcriber that does the same for free? I get my VM through email and txtmsg.
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when I tested it 6 months ago the gvoice transcriber worked terrible compared to simulscribe.

[Smokin Gator]

Sorry you had some bad experiences... I wanted to buy an iPhone almost two years ago and didn't. I have been waiting since then. On April 25 I am eligible for an upgrade and will get it. Since 1987 I have been an Apple geek and love how all of my stuff just simply works together. I could care less if it costs my a little more each month. I just want it to work and it will.

[cf2112]

I have the original iphone and have never had a problem with it, my wife has the newer 3Gs and loves it, she had a Blackberry and that was the biggest POS phone I've ever seen.

When I added my wife, daughters and son to my At&T account we paid considerably less than when we were on different carriers. AT&T is the best option on our area for coverage so I'll stick with both AT&T and the iPhone. Oh and the discount my wife gets for working at Wal-Mart makes it even better.

Just like cigars use (smoke) what you like and like what you use (smoke).

[Resipsa]

Um, Apple didn't create the smartphone concept, Palm did.
Posted via Mobile DeviceRIP, Palm. Verizon can't even give the Pre away these days at a two for one deal. Developers don't want to write for the OS etc.

Palm had it all, and pissed it all away.

[Kreth]

RIP, Palm. Verizon can't even give the Pre away these days at a two for one deal. Developers don't want to write for the OS etc.

Palm had it all, and pissed it all away.
It certainly looks that way, unfortunately. The Pre could have been a hit, but the lack of SD card support and no local sync option were big minuses, IMO.
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[spectrrr]

I was very excited when the pre came out. I had been wanting (AND STILL DO DAMNIT!!) a phone with a full touch screen and PORTRAIT keyboard. My old Samsung i730 had that and I believe it is the superior way, speed wise, to enter text. Hell, just look at blackberry.... ALL OF THEM are portrait keyboards.... yet android phones and winmo phones seem to insist on landscape keyboards :(. Anyway, I was excited for the Pre... but it never took off. Goodbye Palm, you had your chance and you blew it.

[Jason]

moses, I have the nexus one and it's a great piece of hardware (htc does the best job at covering your "rugged" requirement in my opinion). The Android platform and overall googliness of this phone is a pure joy to work with and it comes with access to google voice, visual voicemail (text transcriptions and a web interface as well).

Just wanted to say that going from an iPhone to WinMo is going to be a painful user experience, with android 2.1 or better you'll be liking it. Been using winmo for 6 or 7 years I think and it just sucks for finger use, caveat being I quit at 6.5, 7 might be better. If you do end up going winmo let me know, I have a bunch of add-on apps that make it MUCH more user friendly for fingers and handsome too

[macpappy]

On top of it all, I think AT&T is just too expensive.



Which is another reason why I don't have an Iphone. I don't like being told what carrier I have to use.

[macpappy]

Do we really need another Mac vs PC thread? :rolleyes:

How about Ford vs. Chevy, just for a change? ;)

I've owned Fords. I've owned Chevys. I buy mostly Dodge.

[Tazziedevil]

I'm not an apple guy.

I have a blackberry and love it- I can't imagine a less useful phone than the iphone- you HAVE to sync it with iTunes, no multitasking, no tactile feedback with typing, no user replaceable battery or memory card support.
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[cricky101]

I'm not an apple guy.

I have a blackberry and love it- I can't imagine a less useful phone than the iphone- you HAVE to sync it with iTunes, no multitasking, no tactile feedback with typing, no user replaceable battery or memory card support.
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One of the main reasons I use one is because of iTunes and how easily things transfer. To each his own ...

[King James]

I'm not an apple guy.

I have a blackberry and love it- I can't imagine a less useful phone than the iphone- you HAVE to sync it with iTunes, no multitasking, no tactile feedback with typing, no user replaceable battery or memory card support.
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You don't have to sync it with itunes, and it has multitasking soon (really awesome if you saw the vid)

Tactile feedback is sort of a personal choice so cannot comment on that.

The non-user replaceable battery is a *****, tho.

I can think of something less useful though, its called a WiMo phone! lol. I don't care who you are thats funny right there.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c3XdOl5YtLg

[Mugen910]

I can think of something less useful though, its called a WiMo phone! lol. I don't care who you are thats funny right there.



:tu

[VirtualSmitty]

Saw this post on gizmodo and went damn:

http://gizmodo.com/5513619/all-amazons-att-phones-on-sale-for-1-cent

Then saw Droid phone for 20 and went double damn!

http://wireless.amazon.com/Motorola-A855-Android-Verizon-Wireless/dp/B002UUTCKC/ref=sh_br_ph_1

I might have traded in my first gen iphone for the droid if I didn't have to use verizon.

[nitropyro3]

I too am anti-apple. Over rated. Had an I-touch and it was a PIECE so why would i spend that much on a phone that i CAN'T insure. I went with the new DROID and friggin love it. Has tons of apps and is insurable.

[King James]

and the flaming continues! This time with not even half truths but complete lies

this just in: apple has even more apps and is also insurable :tu


edit: I'd also like if you could elaborate just slightly on with the iTouch is a "piece"

[spectrrr]

I might have traded in my first gen iphone for the droid if I didn't have to use verizon.

I'd go back to my old winmo phone *shudder* before giving up Verizon....

[Blueface]

and the flaming continues! This time with not even half truths but complete lies

this just in: apple has even more apps and is also insurable :tu


edit: I'd also like if you could elaborate just slightly on with the iTouch is a "piece"

Jim,
I would join in and help you out BUT why bother?
Seriously, why bother? We can't change minds and won't.

The other day, while in Ft. Worth, I went to James' house (Croatan).
I could swear there were 8 to 10 of us there, at least.
I think all but one had an iPhone on the the table.

What does that mean?
Heck if I know other than if it sucked that badly, why would 9 out of 10 be so happy with them?

Hmmmm...................

I travel a whole lot.
I swear I am seeing twice as many iPhones now than Crackberries.
There was a time that was the opposite but not anymore.
What does that mean?
Heck if I know other than if it sucked that badly, why would so many more of them be out there now visibly to me than Crackberries or Droids or whatever?

Hmmmm....................

Me? I love mine.
Can't wait for the new one in the summer and the 4.0 system that will allow multitasking (more advanced that leaves files open unlike the one available now), folders for apps, and on and on.

[mosesbotbol]

and the flaming continues! This time with not even half truths but complete lies

this just in: apple has even more apps and is also insurable :tu

You mean Apple Care? That only works from the original purchase date, so it would have been useless to me. Replacements don't work under Apple Care.

It does not matter how many apps are out there. Apps that I need are the only ones that are relevent. I'd rather have a phone that is durable like Motorola makes than play Pac Man.

[Blueface]

You mean Apple Care? That only works from the original purchase date, so it would have been useless to me. Replacements don't work under Apple Care.

It does not matter how many apps are out there. Apps that I need are the only ones that relevent. I'd rather have a phone that is durable like Motorola makes than play Pac Man.

Moses,
Luck varies of course but mine, my son's, and everyone else I know that has one has not had any issues with them.
I know that doesn't console you any but other than you, I really don't know anyone that has a negative to say about an iPhone.
They are neat, useful toys.
I would be lost without mine.

[King James]

Jim,
I would join in and help you out BUT why bother?
Seriously, why bother? We can't change minds and won't.

The other day, while in Ft. Worth, I went to James' house (Croatan).
I could swear there were 8 to 10 of us there, at least.
I think all but one had an iPhone on the the table.

What does that mean?
Heck if I know other than if it sucked that badly, why would 9 out of 10 be so happy with them?

Hmmmm...................

I travel a whole lot.
I swear I am seeing twice as many iPhones now than Crackberries.
There was a time that was the opposite but not anymore.
What does that mean?
Heck if I know other than if it sucked that badly, why would so many more of them be out there now visibly to me than Crackberries or Droids or whatever?

Hmmmm....................

Me? I love mine.
Can't wait for the new one in the summer and the 4.0 system that will allow multitasking (more advanced that leaves files open unlike the one available now), folders for apps, and on and on.


It is just the blind apple faithful Carlos that will buy any and every piece of sh*t the company puts out!


Hell Moses, you should see how many Apple products Carlos destroys, and he is still hanging with them! lol.

And you really couldn't buy apple care for your phone even though it was purchased at full price? I would understand if they replaced the phone because you had apple care that the warranty wouldn't start over, but you paid $199 for another phone... it doesn't make sense that if you purchased a new device that you couldn't get apple care for it.

[Resipsa]

You mean Apple Care? That only works from the original purchase date, so it would have been useless to me. Replacements don't work under Apple Care.

It does not matter how many apps are out there. Apps that I need are the only ones that are relevent. I'd rather have a phone that is durable like Motorola makes than play Pac Man.

No not apple care. There are third party providers who offer insurance for
the iPhone at reasonable rates, and the policies cover
accidental physical damage as well, eg a shattered screen from dropping it

I've had winmo phones bb's and now the iPhone IMO the
iPhone is better than any of the
other options out there but that's just me. For
those who can't get used to the idea of no having a physical keyboard you'd better get used to it. Today, tomorrow, or 3 years from now they ARE goi g away eventually. Haven you ever seen star trek, LOL

I've gotten to
the
point where I can type far faster on
my
iPhone then I ever could on a blackberry

[King James]

Yes, good point Vic. I figured there was 3rd party, but apple care is usually pretty good (maybe not for the iPhone, I wouldn't know.... don't have one)


and I'm starting to think that it isn't Apple users that blindly follow any products they put out just because its Apple, but Apple haters that blindly hate every product that comes out because its Apple

[Blueface]

Yes, good point Vic. I figured there was 3rd party, but apple care is usually pretty good (maybe not for the iPhone, I wouldn't know.... don't have one)


and I'm starting to think that it isn't Apple users that blindly follow any products they put out just because its Apple, but Apple haters that blindly hate every product that comes out because its Apple

Interesting Jim.
I have many Apple products now.
I have them because I love their innovation, their look and the ease of use.
I don't buy anything blindly and I am not faithful to any brand.
I follow my desires at that point in time and who offers the best product for MY personal likes.

[spectrrr]

I'd rather have a phone that is durable like Motorola makes than play Pac Man.

Nameco makes pacman for the Droid ;) :tg

[loki]

I truly wonder how much Apple loyalty is merely Gates-phobia.

i've been using dos based operating systems for 23 years....after having a mac I see no reason to ever run windows again. except for that crap that they put out as office for mac...dual booting is the way to go if you have to use office

[Blueface]

Jim,
Check out the new features coming for the 4.0 OS for the iPhone.

Clicky (http://gizmodo.com/5512635/iphone-os-40-all-the-new-features)

[King James]

Jim,
Check out the new features coming for the 4.0 OS for the iPhone.

Clicky (http://gizmodo.com/5512635/iphone-os-40-all-the-new-features)


come on now, Carlos.... you know me.

I was following the live blog of the keynote post by post LOL

However, none of it makes a damn bit of difference until it actually shows up on Verizon

[Blueface]

come on now, Carlos.... you know me.

I was following the live blog of the keynote post by post LOL

However, none of it makes a damn bit of difference until it actually shows up on Verizon

:r:r:r

Silly me.
And true on the Verizon piece.
I think I will laugh silly the day Verizon does get it as they will be making lines around the block, to wait for the next shipment no less.

[spectrrr]

Replace "windows" with "windows mobile" :)

http://images.wikia.com/uncyclopedia/images/3/36/Windowshasissues.png

[Tazziedevil]

You don't have to sync it with itunes, and it has multitasking soon (really awesome if you saw the vid)

Tactile feedback is sort of a personal choice so cannot comment on that.

The non-user replaceable battery is a *****, tho.

I can think of something less useful though, its called a WiMo phone! lol. I don't care who you are thats funny right there.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c3XdOl5YtLg

I don't find iTunes a useful program. It's buggy and bloated, slow, and I like to drag and drop files to my phone/mp3 player- which I couldn't do with my iPod.

I don't blindly hate apple, I have used several apple products, and I find them to be overhyped and underwhelming. i.e.:It's taken apple 3 years to figure out that people like to do more than one thing at a time?

The BIGGEST problem is the lack of memory card support. For professionals who do lots of work on their phone, not being able to back up presentations, quotes, invoices and receipts to a removable card is ridiculous. Imagine doing hours of work, then losing it all due to theft, misplacing your phone, or breaking.

[AD720]

I don't find iTunes a useful program. It's buggy and bloated, slow, and I like to drag and drop files to my phone/mp3 player- which I couldn't do with my iPod.

I don't blindly hate apple, I have used several apple products, and I find them to be overhyped and underwhelming. i.e.:It's taken apple 3 years to figure out that people like to do more than one thing at a time?

The BIGGEST problem is the lack of memory card support. For professionals who do lots of work on their phone, not being able to back up presentations, quotes, invoices and receipts to a removable card is ridiculous. Imagine doing hours of work, then losing it all due to theft, misplacing your phone, or breaking.

How exactly would a memory card (that is in your phone) benefit you in those two situations? :)

[shilala]

I don't find iTunes a useful program. It's buggy and bloated, slow, and I like to drag and drop files to my phone/mp3 player- which I couldn't do with my iPod.

I don't blindly hate apple, I have used several apple products, and I find them to be overhyped and underwhelming. i.e.:It's taken apple 3 years to figure out that people like to do more than one thing at a time?

The BIGGEST problem is the lack of memory card support. For professionals who do lots of work on their phone, not being able to back up presentations, quotes, invoices and receipts to a removable card is ridiculous. Imagine doing hours of work, then losing it all due to theft, misplacing your phone, or breaking.

I'm not an itunes fan either, but aside from jailbreaking my iphone, I'm stuck with it.
At times I've had as many as a dozen ipods, I used to sell them at ebay. I've never used itunes with them. I always used Ephpod for file transfer and tagrunner for automatically fixing my tags and adding lyrics.
I'm sincerely hoping that someday itunes wont suck, and it is getting better slowly.
As soon as I find something that'll work with my iphone (and I haven't looked recently), I'm sure I'll move away from itunes again. :tu

[shilala]

:r:r:r

Silly me.
And true on the Verizon piece.
I think I will laugh silly the day Verizon does get it as they will be making lines around the block, to wait for the next shipment no less.
I watched the ipad rollout live, but got in late for the iphone OS meeting. I didn't know about it till you posted about it. :)
I still caught the last 10 or 20 minutes live.

[King James]

I don't find iTunes a useful program. It's buggy and bloated, slow, and I like to drag and drop files to my phone/mp3 player- which I couldn't do with my iPod.

I don't blindly hate apple, I have used several apple products, and I find them to be overhyped and underwhelming. i.e.:It's taken apple 3 years to figure out that people like to do more than one thing at a time?

The BIGGEST problem is the lack of memory card support. For professionals who do lots of work on their phone, not being able to back up presentations, quotes, invoices and receipts to a removable card is ridiculous. Imagine doing hours of work, then losing it all due to theft, misplacing your phone, or breaking.


I could understand how people used to having a removable drive would not like the idea of not having one. I have a card in my Droid and have never taken it out. And for apple, the ability to sync with your idisk (if you have one) sort of would settle that problem for me..... but not everyone would be satisfied.

I don't think apple is for everyone, its just people that can't say "I just prefer having these options that apple doesn't offer" instead of "apple blows! they can't do this or this or this and PC has since 1988!"

The bashing without citing facts (or citing facts that are ridiculously inaccurate lol) just irks me

[Tazziedevil]

How exactly would a memory card (that is in your phone) benefit you in those two situations? :)

If it was in your phone it wouldn't. But if you back up your work to a removable card, then put the card in a seperate location you would have a backup. But Apple doesn't think this is a good idea somehow.
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[Tazziedevil]

If it was in your phone it wouldn't. But if you back up your work to a removable card, then put the card in a seperate location you would have a backup. But Apple doesn't think this is a good idea somehow

I'm a wedding photographer, and just tonight the groom had written his speech on his iPhone. All good until hour dropped his iphone, shattered the screen and lost his speech- and he had to wing it at the reception. If only he could have had a "off site" backup.
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[spectrrr]

It is my humble opinion that the reason Apple products are so popular with many folks is the exact same reason that they are equally despised by others.

Apple products are designed with a specific, targeted, but very limited feature set. They are not flexible. You will do it their way, or not at all. IN RETURN FOR THAT, what they do always works, with very few errors. Conflicts, debugging, driver issues, multiple source issues, all those things are significantly reduced.

Furthermore, by simplifying the interface so much, Apple ensures that the greatest number of people can use it with the greatest amount of success. It will forever be hobbled by that simplicity, but the vast majority of people never demand more, so why should they care?

Steve'o gets to build an empire charging inflated prices BECAUSE as any good businessman will tell you, its the price the market will bear. Clearly people are willing to pay for what Apple offers, and its certainly NOT a "rich feature set" they are paying for, its the very LACK of a feature set (disguised as simplicity) that people are willing to pay for.

My hatred of Apple products will never change, because I will always demand greater flexibility, and I will always be willing to accept the trade-off that it will come with the bugs and flaws inherent in windows/android/whatever software. I recognize that you can't have one without the other and I am at peace with that.

Apple fanboys need to wake up, smell the roses, and realize that their beloved products ARE LIMITED in what they can do. You paid premium $ for a product that does less, BUT YOUR HAPPY, so I believe the cigar smokers adage applies here.

Windows/etc. fanboys need to wake up, smell the roses, and realize that quite a lot of people DON'T GIVE A DAMN about the X Y Z things their more flexible product can do, they just want it to work well without having to think about it! You paid less $ for a product that does more, at the expense of effort spent fixing it, or effort ALREADY SPENT learning to fix it without much effort.

well, thats enough ramblings for one moment. Both camps are generally a bit deluded and blind to the drawback of their chosen path.

As for me, I believe William Wallace said it best: FREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEDOM!

[King James]

well there is a post that can actually be responded to.

It is just a matter of where you rank things. You like the freedom, I used to have the freedom (when I had a PC) and found that I didn't really need it. I like how everything just works (for the most part) with Apple.... and the simplicity offered works better for me than the freedom I'm giving up that I wouldn't use anyways.

Or as far as phones go, I don't ever even remove my SD card now on my Droid when I have it, so not having one in an iphone wouldn't make any difference. What would make a difference would be my ability to sync with my Macs and mobileme and itunes/idisk

[AD720]

If it was in your phone it wouldn't. But if you back up your work to a removable card, then put the card in a seperate location you would have a backup. But Apple doesn't think this is a good idea somehow.

I'm a wedding photographer, and just tonight the groom had written his speech on his iPhone. All good until hour dropped his iphone, shattered the screen and lost his speech- and he had to wing it at the reception. If only he could have had a "off site" backup.
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I don't have an iPhone but I'm pretty sure that you can make a complete back up on iTunes and restore it to a different or new iPhone whenever. Someone with an iPhone can confirm or dis-confirm...

Also, in your wedding scenario, an hour before the ceremony I don't see how an offsight backup would have helped? :confused: Dropping the phone and shattering the screen could happen to any phone. Is he going to drive to the store and buy a new phone then drive to his home or office where he has his backup memory card stored?

I usually don't get into these debates but for being such a major complaint, in 75% of the scenarios you've described memory card storage wouldn't help at all...

I'm not trying to defend the iPhone. Like I said, I don't have one.

[GTCanuk]

[
"Also, in your wedding scenario, an hour before the ceremony I don't see how an offsight backup would have helped? :confused: Dropping the phone and shattering the screen could happen to any phone. Is he going to drive to the store and buy a new phone then drive to his home or office where he has his backup memory card stored?"

In this case is somebody else had another Iphone just take the card out and put in the other person's and presto

[AD720]

[
"Also, in your wedding scenario, an hour before the ceremony I don't see how an offsight backup would have helped? :confused: Dropping the phone and shattering the screen could happen to any phone. Is he going to drive to the store and buy a new phone then drive to his home or office where he has his backup memory card stored?"

In this case is somebody else had another Iphone just take the card out and put in the other person's and presto

If you re-read Taz's post he said "off-sight" backup. Ergo the card wouldn't be in the phone at the wedding, but in a secondary location.

[AD720]

If it was in your phone it wouldn't. But if you back up your work to a removable card, then put the card in a seperate location you would have a backup. But Apple doesn't think this is a good idea somehow.
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[
"Also, in your wedding scenario, an hour before the ceremony I don't see how an offsight backup would have helped? :confused: Dropping the phone and shattering the screen could happen to any phone. Is he going to drive to the store and buy a new phone then drive to his home or office where he has his backup memory card stored?"

In this case is somebody else had another Iphone just take the card out and put in the other person's and presto


Just wanted to add, I'm not trying to break balls, just discussing. No hostility intended...:)

[Resipsa]

Sorry but I can't help myself I
just have to weigh in on this memory card issue, LOL. The guys who seem
to feel these are the cats ass of the backup solution are simply behind the tech curve, have pity on them. I do a lot of
work on my iPhone. It's backed up every night when I sync the
phone. I also upload all of my files to my google docs account right from the iPhone, and a second backup goes to my dropbox account, which has a iPhone app for it. Cloud storage is the best way to back things up, not sd cards. That way the info is wherever you are, all you have to do is access it. In the wedding scenario, if this happenned all he would have had to do use someone elses phone to pull another copy down from
the cloud. Simple

[shilala]

Sorry but I can't help myself I
just have to weigh in on this memory card issue, LOL. The guys who seem
to feel these are the cats ass of the backup solution are simply behind the tech curve, have pity on them. I do a lot of
work on my iPhone. It's backed up every night when I sync the
phone. I also upload all of my files to my google docs account right from the iPhone, and a second backup goes to my dropbox account, which has a iPhone app for it. Cloud storage is the best way to back things up, not sd cards. That way the info is wherever you are, all you have to do is access it. In the wedding scenario, if this happenned all he would have had to do use someone elses phone to pull another copy down from
the cloud. Simple
I was gonna suggest cloud storage, or one of another dozen backup solutions that don't require a memory card, but you beat me to it, Vic.
I think the problem is that folks are thinking "laptop" and ipad isn't.

[King James]

I was gonna suggest cloud storage, or one of another dozen backup solutions that don't require a memory card, but you beat me to it, Vic.
I think the problem is that folks are thinking "laptop" and ipad isn't.

yah thats what I've been talking about with mobileme and the idisk storage..... works fine for me, no need to be taking SD cards in or out

[Resipsa]

yah thats what I've been talking about with mobileme and the idisk storage..... works fine for me, no need to be taking SD cards in or out
Mobileme is good, I just don't likethe price. $99 per year is steep for the amount of storage they give you Jim. There are other, cheaper options out there like dropbox.

[nitropyro3]

and the flaming continues! This time with not even half truths but complete lies

this just in: apple has even more apps and is also insurable :tu


edit: I'd also like if you could elaborate just slightly on with the iTouch is a "piece"

My I-touch is a piece because it will not recognize wireless networks and when i call apple they say i will have to pay for a new one b/c the warranty is out even though it was bought from apple less than a year before i called them. No. 2 most of the apps on it forceclose and when i try to do anything except play music it forcecloses and shuts off. When it comes to playing music it does a heck of a job but thats not why i got it. Reference the I-phone being insurable now this is news to me as my father just got one less than a month ago and at that point it was still un-insurable. By un-insurable i mnean against physical damage. I am aware that you can insure against product malfunctions but thats what a warranty should cover. Please let me know if you can now insure for accidental physical damage as it is news to me so i can stop telling "Lies". And i dont mean by putting it under your homeowners umbrella coverage which is exactly what AT&T told me i would have to do. By all means i am not being a smartass just stating what i have been told directly from apple and AT&T. Again please let me know if this has changed. BTW i do know that apple has WAY more apps, but droid also has more than anyone will ever need.

[Blueface]

My I-touch is a piece because it will not recognize wireless networks and when i call apple they say i will have to pay for a new one b/c the warranty is out even though it was bought from apple less than a year before i called them. No. 2 most of the apps on it forceclose and when i try to do anything except play music it forcecloses and shuts off. When it comes to playing music it does a heck of a job but thats not why i got it. Reference the I-phone being insurable now this is news to me as my father just got one less than a month ago and at that point it was still un-insurable. By un-insurable i mnean against physical damage. I am aware that you can insure against product malfunctions but thats what a warranty should cover. Please let me know if you can now insure for accidental physical damage as it is news to me so i can stop telling "Lies". And i dont mean by putting it under your homeowners umbrella coverage which is exactly what AT&T told me i would have to do. By all means i am not being a smartass just stating what i have been told directly from apple and AT&T. Again please let me know if this has changed. BTW i do know that apple has WAY more apps, but droid also has more than anyone will ever need.

Did you provide it to them before the warranty expired?
If you did, doubt they would not honor it.
If they didn't, sounds like you have a small claims filing that would get you to recover your costs for court and invoke your warranty for you.
If you didn't provide it to them before the year for repairs, well, a warranty is just that and if the year expired, there is no coverage. Not different than with a much, much more expensive purchase of a car.

[nitropyro3]

The ipod was recieved with the purchase of a macbook, an incentive type thing. When i called them they said that the ipod was an old model and warranty had expired. My thoughts are that they had a ton of old stock and shipped those out, could be wrong who knows. Not that worried about it but it was just the fact of the matter that put a bad taste in my mouth about the touch's. Mind you this was a Gen 1. I have never ever had any problems with my new Nano.

[King James]

So the iTouch sucks in general because you had an isolated problem on an out of warranty product?
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[Blueface]

So the iTouch sucks in general because you had an isolated problem on an out of warranty product?
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Jim,
Folks will likely not believe this but my 2 and a half year old grandson has an original version of the iPod Touch.
That kid beats the living crap out of it and it still ticks.

When he comes to my house, which is at least 5 days a week, the first thing he asks for is my iPhone. He knows how to use half of my applications. He has dropped it on me at least a half a dozen times. Additionally, I have dropped it another half dozen times at least. All I have on it is an Incipio cover. It has yet to break or malfunction.

So, things can go wrong with them as with anything. However, that first generation iPod Touch and my iPhone can outlast a 2 and a half year old. Not bad at all if you ask me.

[Tazziedevil]

[
"Also, in your wedding scenario, an hour before the ceremony I don't see how an offsight backup would have helped? :confused: Dropping the phone and shattering the screen could happen to any phone. Is he going to drive to the store and buy a new phone then drive to his home or office where he has his backup memory card stored?"

In this case is somebody else had another Iphone just take the card out and put in the other person's and presto

I put "off site" in "" to mean not in his phone. If he had the option of a removable memory card, he could back it up to the card, slip it in his pocket and put it in ANYONE elses phone
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[Tazziedevil]

I'd respond to the cloud storage point, but there wouldn't be a point really. Apple fanboys will always find a reason to try and prove why paying more money for less features is a good idea.
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[Resipsa]

I'd respond to the cloud storage point, but there wouldn't be a point really. Apple fanboys will always find a reason to try and prove why paying more money for less features is a good idea.
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Insulting people really isn't the way to get your point across, ;)

[spectrrr]

I'd respond to the cloud storage point, but there wouldn't be a point really. Apple fanboys will always find a reason to try and prove why paying more money for less features is a good idea.
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And windows/etc fanboys will never understand why paying more money for less features is a good idea. We worship flexibility, why would anyone not want join us in our devotions to this oh so holy light?

The fundamental reason the arguments cannot be reconciled is because the conditions of victory are different, so even a "winning" argument from one side will forever be a "losing" argument to the other, simply because the goals are different.

While both sides make factually correct arguments, all they have done is prove that their camp is "the best" at what it does.... but since each camp has different goals, proving that your camp is "the best" only means you are better than other similarly themed camps.

FOR EXAMPLE, Windows Mobile VS Android is a fair comparison from which it is theoretically possible to obtain a clear winner. Bother are robust, complicated and OS's with significant flexibility, hackability, and features, so then you are comparing apples to apples and can determine a winner - in other words, an individual's purchasing decision is determined by which platform or phone is better.

BUT Comparing Android/Windows to iPhone is, IMO, comparing apples to oranges. Yes, they're both PDA phones, but if you really think about it, their fundamental philosophy and feature set are vastly different. In other words - an individual's purchasing decision is not made by comparing the two platforms or phones, it is made by comparing the two philosophy's and choosing which is better.

If you chose the philosophy of Apple, then the decision ends there (none other can compete).... and if you chose the philosophy of windows/android/etc, then you still have to dig into the details and decide on a specific device or platform within that philosophy (plenty of competition).

[King James]

I've never said cloud is better. I said I don't use my sd card and would use a cloud because I have mobileme. In fact, there has been almost no "fanboy" comments from apple users in this entire thread... just apple bashing from the other side. Its a personal preference, I don't care what other people use
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[Tazziedevil]

Insulting people really isn't the way to get your point across, ;)

I'm not sure how I insulted anyone, unless the term fanboy is insulting. If that's the case, I apologize.
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[Resipsa]

The hilarious thing to me is that I've never owned an Apple computer in my life. The extent of my involvement with Apple is that I owned an ipod classic, and now I own an Iphone. I've used windows based computers my whole life:r

As an aside, people do realize that Apple computers are PC's too right? Just to keep our terminology straight, :r

[Resipsa]

I'm not sure how I insulted anyone, unless the term fanboy is insulting. If that's the case, I apologize.
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Duuuuuuuddddeeeeeee.........come on now, man up.:r

Of course you know it's insulting, that's why you used it.

Reminds me of someone from the South who once told me that she didn't realize that "yankee" was an insulting term:rolleyes:

[Tazziedevil]

One more point about removable storage- sure a cloud system is a nice workaround to being able to double back up, unless you can't access the internet for whatever reason (network down, blackspot, you forgot to pay your bill, in a foreign country, etc.)

Then you're back to not having a backup...
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[Tazziedevil]

Duuuuuuuddddeeeeeee.........come on now, man up.:r

Of course you know it's insulting, that's why you used it.

Reminds me of someone from the South who once told me that she didn't realize that "yankee" was an insulting term:rolleyes:
I see the term used all the time; often by those who use and love apple. I didn't rrealize it would be such an insulting term, so once again...I apologize.
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[Resipsa]

I see the term used all the time; often by those who use and love apple. I didn't rrealize it would be such an insulting term, so once again...I apologize.
Posted via Mobile DeviceNo need to apologize to me I'm not a fanboy so Im not insulted:banger

To address the cloud storage issue. It's the way things are moving, like it or not. SD cards, and physical media of all kinds, are on their way out. Simply the way it is. Same way the physical keyboard is on the way out. You don't have to like it, but you'd better get used to it.

As an aside, phone manufacturers don't include sd slots so that people can make backups, slide shows, power point presentations, etc. They include them so they can compete with the iphone. People expect to be able to carry the music and videos with them, and nobody is going to tolerate the 1gb internal memory that comes standard on most phones. Without an sd slot for their media, nobody would buy them.

[Starscream]

No need to apologize to me I'm not a fanboy so Im not insulted:banger

To address the cloud storage issue.

Cloud storage? Is that where Lando keeps his wardrobe on Bespin? Oops. I guess I'm a fanboy...:lv
:D

[Tazziedevil]

I don't believe for a second that physical keyboards are on the way out. Most companies have a touchscreen option, but all but one also have physical keyboards on their phones.

And yeah I use cloud storage as well, but the point remains I'm aware of the shortcomings of relying on carrier internet connections for important work. I think ahead, and don't want to risk blowing an important presentation (like a speech at a wedding).

And yeah, some market segments want to carry all their music and videos with them, but business people, CEO's, and those in that segment have much less need to carry a bunch of music. That's why Blackberries are still very much the choice of that demographic.
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[kydsid]

blackberries are still the choice of business because it was first with push mail service and is therfore part of the culture because it is established in the corporate support system of IT purchasin g getc.
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[spectrrr]

blackberries are still the choice of business because it was first with push mail service and is therfore part of the culture because it is established in the corporate support system of IT purchasin g getc.
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:tpd:


BUT they were also simple and more idiot proof for what business needed done. JUST LIKE the iPhone has a very simple feature set that specifically targets it's market, the Blackberry has a very limited and specific feature set that targets its market.

Times are changing however, and the blackberry market is beginning to demand more features..... they had best innovate, and soon, or they may lose their market.

[Tazziedevil]

Hey I'm a blackberry fanboy...and they have a lot of improvements the last few years. Blackberry still does what it does best- reliable, secure email. The blackberry storm is all touch screen.

I would argue that blackberry doesn't have a limited feature set at all. In what areas do think it's limited?
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[VirtualSmitty]

I'd go back to my old winmo phone *shudder* before giving up Verizon....

Not if you went through what I went through bwith Verizon customer service :r

It's funny how i've trended with my phones. My first cell phone I had ATT until I had a billing problem, then I switched to Verizon. Had Verizon for a few years, iPhone came out (didn't care cause it was ATT), bashed early adopters getting stuck with ATT, then had an issue with Verizon, worst customer service experience of my life, dropped em and bought an iPhone. ATT isn't perfect, I do get more dropped calls and it is more expensive, but I don't mind. Not an Apple fanboy by any stretch, but I love my iPhone.

[spectrrr]

with regards to phone companies, I demand above all that my phone work, whenever and wherever in the country I demand it. Fore everywhere I have traveled, Verizon has never ceased to disappoint, while I have seen friends on other providers consistently fall short. This is reason enough for me to remain with Verizon, as I have for longer than I can remember (6 years? 8 years? I don't know....)

[King James]

Hey I'm a blackberry fanboy...and they have a lot of improvements the last few years. Blackberry still does what it does best- reliable, secure email. The blackberry storm is all touch screen.

I would argue that blackberry doesn't have a limited feature set at all. In what areas do think it's limited?
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can't sync with itunes and the app store is less than desirable

[icehog3]

http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/aa73/icehog3/i-love-apple.jpg

[Tazziedevil]

can't sync with itunes and the app store is less than desirable

I don't about syncing with iTunes, since I don't like iTunes and wouldn't sync with iTunes even if I had iTunes on my computer.

And yeah, the NUMBER of apps in the app store is quite a few less than the iPhone, but the vast majority are apps that are actually useful, and not novelties. Blackberries are primarily business phones, so most of the apps have a business-y/productivity feel to them.

[King James]

I don't about syncing with iTunes, since I don't like iTunes and wouldn't sync with iTunes even if I had iTunes on my computer.


I never said you cared about it, you asked for limitations and I gave you one. Kind of like me with the SD card, you call it a limitation... but it isn't one that applies to me :tu


This is where that whole thing called personal opinion comes in, and why I can't tell people to like Apple or you tell anyone not to like them.

[Tazziedevil]

I never said you cared about it, you asked for limitations and I gave you one. Kind of like me with the SD card, you call it a limitation... but it isn't one that applies to me :tu


This is where that whole thing called personal opinion comes in, and why I can't tell people to like Apple or you tell anyone not to like them.

Fair enough, but you can sync music with iTunes:

http://uk.blackberry.com/services/media/mediasync.jsp

[icehog3]

http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/aa73/icehog3/iheartapplebynumbbrain.jpg

[Resipsa]

http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/aa73/icehog3/iheartapplebynumbbrain.jpg

fanboy, :r:r:r

[Resipsa]

And yeah, the NUMBER of apps in the app store is quite a few less than the iPhone, but the vast majority are apps that are actually useful, and not novelties. Blackberries are primarily business phones, so most of the apps have a business-y/productivity feel to them. You're way off base. To give you an idea of how much MORE productive the Iphone is than a Blackberry:

ATT Virtual Receptionist provides me with a FREE 800 number I can provide to clients, I get 60 minutes free per month, after that it costs. I'm unaware of any blackberry app that could do that for me.

Ribbit Mobile (exact same thing as Google voice) provides me with a free local phone number that I can route all of my phone calls through. Is there a google voice or ribbit mobile app for the blackberry?

ScannerPro allows me to take a photo with the iphone, convert it to a PDF and send it to a client, either through email or as a fax using my efax account.

DocsToGo allows me to create and edit word, excel, etc, docs, and on and on and on.

While the BB may be able to do some of these things, I used to have one and I KNOW it can't do all of them.

On top of which for whatever reason the apps you can buy for an Iphone, even business apps, are WAY cheaper than they are for BB or winmo devices. DocsToGO on other platforms runs from $35-$80. Cost me ten bucks. The same is true of almost all other business apps.

The Iphone has become an incredibly useful business tool. I can speak from experience, the ONLY reason the BB and not the Iphone is the most used business phone in my field is because there are still some security issues to be addressed with the Iphone. Other than than the BB would already be on it's way out.:=:

[spectrrr]

You're way off base. To give you an idea of how much MORE productive the Iphone is than a Blackberry:

ATT Virtual Receptionist provides me with a FREE 800 number I can provide to clients, I get 60 minutes free per month, after that it costs. I'm unaware of any blackberry app that could do that for me.

Ribbit Mobile (exact same thing as Google voice) provides me with a free local phone number that I can route all of my phone calls through. Is there a google voice or ribbit mobile app for the blackberry?

ScannerPro allows me to take a photo with the iphone, convert it to a PDF and send it to a client, either through email or as a fax using my efax account.

DocsToGo allows me to create and edit word, excel, etc, docs, and on and on and on.

While the BB may be able to do some of these things, I used to have one and I KNOW it can't do all of them.

On top of which for whatever reason the apps you can buy for an Iphone, even business apps, are WAY cheaper than they are for BB or winmo devices. DocsToGO on other platforms runs from $35-$80. Cost me ten bucks. The same is true of almost all other business apps.

The Iphone has become an incredibly useful business tool. I can speak from experience, the ONLY reason the BB and not the Iphone is the most used business phone in my field is because there are still some security issues to be addressed with the Iphone. Other than than the BB would already be on it's way out.:=:

That is precisely what I was getting at when I noted that BB was going have to get back in the game and innovate. They are behind the curve, as business users begin demanding features like that.

I use docs to go and similar programs on my droid. Only thing I hear from my BB using sisters is how it can't open XYZ I sent them, etc.

HOWEVER, I promise you that my sisters wouldnt be able to use an iphone/droid for what they do... so BB still serves its purpose, even if that it rapidly becoming a fancy email client.

and on app prices... yeah, I remember it was a joyus day when I discovered simple apps for a buck or two on my droid and complex ones for $5-$10.... something simple in winmo started at $15 and rapidly climbed from there!

[Tazziedevil]

It might be the country I live in (australia) but I'm not aware of anything like the virtual receptionist here, for any carrier or phone.

There is a google voice app- I've never used it, so I can't really comment on any differences between it and the iPhone version.

I have docs to go as well. I'm not sure about the scanner pro, I don't think BB has a program like that.

I guarantee I can also find a few apps BB does that iPhone does not have. The point is they both can do basically the same things.

I will admit that most BB apps are a bit spendy, especially considering how much we pay for our phones, phone plans, and data here. Outrageous!
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[andrew]

I'm an apple fan. I have had the iPhone since about a month after it's release. Yes, I've had my share of problems with it, but I don't recall shelling out any substantial amount of coin. I had a blackberry before that and the blackjack before that. Neither of them had the fluidity that the touchscreen and OS the iPhone provides. I know that better hardware and software has since been realeased, but I just can't imagine myself having any other piece of equipment.

[SeanGAR]

Apple/PC who cares ... they both work ... but we can all agree that Gurkha suck, right?

[icehog3]

Apple/PC who cares ... they both work ... but we can all agree that Gurkha suck, right?

You're not a Gurkha Fanboy, Sean? :)

[Resipsa]

Apple/PC who cares ... they both work ... but we can all agree that Gurkha suck, right?

You're not a Gurkha Fanboy, Sean? :)

If he comes to the Shack this year we can show him just how much they suck:D

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[spectrrr]

Apple/PC who cares ... they both work ... but we can all agree that Gurkha suck, right?

Best Cigars ever, worth every penny.














:lv

[Kreth]

Best Cigars ever, worth every penny.














:lv
The iDoble Maduros are pretty tasty, IMO. You're all just a bunch of Gurkha bashers. :r
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[eber]

iPhones suck, along with a bunch of other things, including Phil Mickelson and Duke :r:r:r:r;)

[Tazziedevil]

I always liked the regents. Haven't had one for awhile though :)
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[spectrrr]

When I first started I remember liking gurks.... but at this point its beeen so long since I've had one I dont even remember.

[Starscream]

This thread is LEGENDARY. :r We go from Apple and Iphones suck to the evergoing Apple/Microsoft war, to fanboys, and now we're on Gurkhas. This thread has more than run its course, but I bet it's not done by any means.:)

[icehog3]

http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/aa73/icehog3/apple.jpg

[King James]

Steve Balmer is still the antichrist


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KMU0tzLwhbE

[icehog3]

Steve Balmer is still the antichrist




We don't allow religious discussion at CA. :mad:



:r :r

[JaKaacH]

This thread is LEGENDARY. :r We go from Apple and Iphones suck to the evergoing Apple/Microsoft war, to fanboys, and now we're on Gurkhas. This thread has more than run its course, but I bet it's not done by any means.:)

Craftsman tools are just as good as Snap-on..:=:

Milwaukee power tools rule......Makita's suck

[Starscream]

Milwaukee power tools rule

Prince Fielder's bat is pretty good.

[spectrrr]

Craftsman tools are just as good as Snap-on..:=:

Milwaukee power tools rule......Makita's suck

:fu2 Snap-on is the only true tool a real man would use.

[nitropyro3]

I would conquer with the both of you. Snap-On is good stuff and Milwaukee is the best...IMO :su :confused:

[icehog3]

Milwaukee power tools rule......Makita's suck

Stan Mikita rocked. :ih

[macpappy]

Duuuuuuuddddeeeeeee.........come on now, man up.:r

Of course you know it's insulting, that's why you used it.

Reminds me of someone from the South who once told me that she didn't realize that "yankee" was an insulting term:rolleyes:

Yankee is in insulting term? Who would have thought.....

[macpappy]

Apple/PC who cares ... they both work ... but we can all agree that Gurkha suck, right?

Yes. 99 percent of all Gurkha suck. But hey! If they like Gurkha let them smoke Gurkha.

[JE3146]

Steve Balmer is still the antichrist


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KMU0tzLwhbE

As someone who has met him, and has been best friends with his nephew for the past 15 or so years, I'd like to say that while his business practices aren't exactly kind, the family itself is very religious and while I can't comment directly on him, I will say the kids he and his wife raised are not what you'd expect of those who live in a billion dollar income household.

[shilala]

Stan Mikita rocked. :ih
He's still alive, Tom. I think he's selling insurance in Waukeegan Falls.

[macpappy]

AT&T sucks. Period. That is the main reason why I don't have an Iphone. Secondly, my Mac G5 desktop and Macbook Pro do everything I need them to do and since I'm self-employed as a graphic designer that's all I ask for. I even play Warcraft on both of them.

In the past 5 years I have had one Gurkha that wasn't a dog rocket IMHO.

I like Dodge trucks better than Chevy Trucks.

I prefer shrimp to prawns.

Hell I even like Carlos (just not in THAT way).

[shilala]

As someone who has met him, and has been best friends with his nephew for the past 15 or so years, I'd like to say that while his business practices aren't exactly kind, the family itself is very religious and while I can't comment directly on him, I will say the kids he and his wife raised are not what you'd expect of those who live in a billion dollar income household.
Thanks for that, Jordan. Ballmer comes off really abrasive. I figured it must be lots of show. I even found it odd he'd be in that position, or that he was chosen for it, just because of his outward personality and how public the position is.
I guess it keeps eyes focused on him, right?

[King James]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c3XdOl5YtLg


His Steveness in all His glory
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dR8SAFRBmcU&feature=related

[icehog3]

He's still alive, Tom. I think he's selling insurance in Waukeegan Falls.

Oh, I know Scott....I saw him at a Hawks game a few weeks ago. I just meant he "rocked" the NHL back in the day. :)

[King James]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9aTdVwYIlYo&feature=related

cool video of HIS STEVENESS EL JOBSERINO and bill

[shilala]

Oh, I know Scott....I saw him at a Hawks game a few weeks ago. I just meant he "rocked" the NHL back in the day. :)
I can remember Bobby Orr, but I can't remember Stan from when I was a kid. Everything I know of Stan I found out long after he was done.
I can't imagine a defenseman taking the Art Ross nowadays. He must have been something to see. :tu

[icehog3]

I can remember Bobby Orr, but I can't remember Stan from when I was a kid. Everything I know of Stan I found out long after he was done.
I can't imagine a defenseman taking the Art Ross nowadays. He must have been something to see. :tu

Stan was a center, so I assume you mean Orr regarding the Art Ross.

I was lucky enough to see Mikita play lots of games when they would come play the Wings at the Olympia, and then at the Stadium after my family moved to Chicago. A true NHL Legend.

[shilala]

Stan was a center, so I assume you mean Orr regarding the Art Ross.

I was lucky enough to see Mikita play lots of games when they would come play the Wings at the Olympia, and then at the Stadium after my family moved to Chicago. A true NHL Legend.
IIRC, Stan is the only defenseman to ever earn the Art Ross for highest scoring player. Dunno why that's stuck in my head, but it is. I'm too lazy to go look it up. :)

[Resipsa]

I like chicken wings.

[gpugliese]

IIRC, Stan is the only defenseman to ever earn the Art Ross for highest scoring player. Dunno why that's stuck in my head, but it is. I'm too lazy to go look it up. :)

I believe that was Orr, not Mikita.

[replicant_argent]

I like chicken wings.

MMMM>>>>>>> wings.........

[Blueface]

I like chicken wings.

MMMM>>>>>>> wings.........

I prefer the wingless variety.

[icehog3]

IIRC, Stan is the only defenseman to ever earn the Art Ross for highest scoring player. Dunno why that's stuck in my head, but it is. I'm too lazy to go look it up. :)

I believe that was Orr, not Mikita.

Correct, Greg...Mikita was a center his whole career. :)

[JaKaacH]

I like chicken wings.

I bet the chicken likes them more than you.

[icehog3]

I bet the chicken likes them more than you.

Cannibal chickens? :confused:

[catfish2]

After Saturdays herf I decided to try and catch up on this one. This thread is giving me a head ache and I'm starting to puke blood. Oh, by the way Ford sucks.

[icehog3]

After Saturdays herf I decided to try and catch up on this one. This thread is giving me a head and I'm starting to puke blood. Oh, by the way Ford sucks.

You didn't have a head before? I heard you had a ginormous head. :confused:

[catfish2]

I prefer the wingless variety.

Wow, I've never seen a wingless chicken.

[macpappy]

After Saturdays herf I decided to try and catch up on this one. This thread is giving me a head and I'm starting to puke blood. Oh, by the way Ford sucks.

Ford: Found On Road Dead.

I hate AT&T. Currently it is the provider for my high speed internet and telephone lines. Next week I am switching to a Charter Cable bundle. It's not perfect but maybe my phone and internet won't go out at least once every three months.

[catfish2]

You didn't have a head before? I heard you had a ginormous head. :confused:



Thank you for correcting me. I meant that it was giving me a "HEAD ACHE". Some time my typing finger can't keep up with my thoughts. Although since the divorce I haven't had much head, ginormous or not.

[icehog3]

Thank you for correcting me. I meant that it was giving me a "HEAD ACHE". Some time my typing finger can't keep up with my thoughts. Although since the divorce I haven't had much head, ginormous or not.

It must be your ginormous brain, Don. ;)

I always thought the head was more frequent after divorce. ;) :r

[Chris.]

I love my 3GS. It's jailbroken, so it can do anything ans everything I want it to. I hate using un-modded iphones now. the fact that they don't offer insurance on them is shitty though...I pay $87/month with unlimited text, data, and 450 anytime minutes.

[catfish2]

It must be your ginormous brain, Don. ;)

I always thought the head was more frequent after divorce. ;) :r



I noticed you used the word thought. Did reality not live up to your expectations?

[icehog3]

I noticed you used the word thought. Did reality not live up to your expectations?

Gimmie some time, the ink ain't even dry. :r

[catfish2]

Gimmie some time, the ink ain't even dry. :r

Who you kidding. In the divorce game I'm the new-be.

[icehog3]

Who you kidding. In the divorce game I'm the new-be.

Can you beat 1 week?

[King James]

the bantering in this thread sucks.

This thread is only meant to pay respects to El Jobserino His Steveness. For he will guide us with his wonderful products and you will anger him by not purchasing them

[icehog3]

the bantering in this thread sucks.

This thread is only meant to pay respects to El Jobserino His Steveness. For he will guide us with his wonderful products and you will anger him by not purchasing them

Don't make Jobs angry....you wouldn't like him when he's angry.

[spectrrr]

El Diablo Ballmero will protect me.

[King James]

El Diablo Ballmero will protect me.

until he gets a virus

[icehog3]

until he gets a virus

Is it Lupus?

[Jbailey]

Is it Lupus?

http://img215.imageshack.us/img215/6956/19965256.jpg (http://img215.imageshack.us/i/19965256.jpg/)
That would be weird.

[Resipsa]

Is it Lupus?

http://i.ytimg.com/vi/pT38yJGzR48/0.jpg

[AD720]

http://i.ytimg.com/vi/pT38yJGzR48/0.jpg


Ok literally spitting coffee. :r

[Razorhog]

Cell phones are like cigars. Use what you like and like what you use. I'm iPhone all the way baby. Just look at my avatar, I'm a big mac fan!