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RazzBarlow
02-21-2010, 01:05 PM
Those that know me know that I'm somewhat of a geek. Anything technological or scientific instantly grabs my attention. I'm a freak for Mythbusters and shows like it. For that reason, humidity beads fascinated me from the first time I heard about them.

I decided to make my own humidity beads. The concept is simple...most salts have a "saturation point". That's why a salt test for our hygrometers works. Sodium Chloride (common table salt) has a saturation point equal to 75% Relative Humidity. If 75% rH were the ideal storage humidity for our cigars, we wouldn't have any problem at all. We would just keep a salt tray in our humidors and maintain the perfect humidity. (salty cigars being a completely seperate issue)

Like I said, the concept is simple. The execution is not simple. I've spent weeks researching and experimenting with different formulas and application methods. (The Merck Index has been light reading for me lately)

I've finally come up with a combination that appears to work how I want it to.

http://i220.photobucket.com/albums/dd185/TallKewl7/100_1065.jpg

It's only been 24 hours, but so far they are maintaining rH perfectly. I put 8 oz in a sealed container along with a salt-tested hygrometer to monitor the results.

http://i220.photobucket.com/albums/dd185/TallKewl7/100_1064.jpg

I will continue to post the results as I monitor them. I am excited at this new project. Before anyone asks....Yes, I will be offering them for sale once I know they work the way I want them to. (I'm a perfectionist) But I don't want to put that info in this thread out of respect for the board members and administrators. When the time comes, I'll start a sale thread for them.

cort
02-21-2010, 01:14 PM
Good luck with the project Marshall. Those look just like Heartfelt Beads

MarkinAZ
02-21-2010, 01:36 PM
Nice! Keep us posted on the project Marshall...

Cigary
02-21-2010, 05:51 PM
WTG Marshall. I will be interested in pricing this out after its a complete success.

Smokin Gator
02-21-2010, 05:54 PM
Very cool!!

MrOneEyedBoh
02-21-2010, 06:10 PM
Yeah interested if all goes well.

Kreth
02-21-2010, 06:26 PM
Looking for beta testers? :)
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guado
02-22-2010, 06:42 AM
Very nice! Looking forward to the progress...

Emjaysmash
02-22-2010, 06:47 AM
Looking for beta testers? :)
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:tpd:

LOL

RazzBarlow
02-22-2010, 07:21 AM
Update: Day 2, still holding steady

http://i220.photobucket.com/albums/dd185/TallKewl7/Cigars/th_100_1069.jpg (http://s220.photobucket.com/albums/dd185/TallKewl7/Cigars/?action=view&current=100_1069.jpg)

RazzBarlow
02-23-2010, 06:46 AM
Update: Day 3, still holding steady. It rained fairly steadily for 2 days here, so the ambient rH is pretty high. (I didn't measure outside the tupperware)
http://i220.photobucket.com/albums/dd185/TallKewl7/Cigars/th_100_1077.jpg (http://s220.photobucket.com/albums/dd185/TallKewl7/Cigars/?action=view&current=100_1077.jpg)
Obviously, my photo skills this morning are pretty lame. Apologies for that.

RightAJ
02-23-2010, 06:55 AM
I need to get some beads... looks like they're doing well!

aj

eber
02-23-2010, 08:46 AM
looks like they are working, good luck with the project :tu

darkninja67
02-23-2010, 09:02 AM
Looking good. Nice work

shilala
02-23-2010, 09:17 AM
Congrats on the project, Marshall!!!
It's fun, huh?
I used to work at Merck a long time ago. The index is a lot safer than the grounds, I'll tell you that. :D
Take a look at denatured alcohols. They'll yield some pretty excellent RH's over the saturated solution, right in the ballpark you're looking for. Lots more options than binary salts. :tu

RazzBarlow
02-24-2010, 07:26 AM
Got my first non-encouraging test results of this experiment. The rH dropped 5 points in 24 hours. That's a big swing and just the kind of fluctuation that beads are meant to eliminate. I'm not going to panic, we'll keep monitoring and see what happens.

http://i220.photobucket.com/albums/dd185/TallKewl7/Cigars/th_100_1078.jpg (http://s220.photobucket.com/albums/dd185/TallKewl7/Cigars/?action=view&current=100_1078.jpg)

I mentally toyed with the idea of not posting these results. But that just isn't an option!

nater
02-24-2010, 08:06 AM
We appreciate the honesty. It makes any final product have that much more integrity behind it.

RazzBarlow
02-25-2010, 06:50 AM
Final update:

This morning the hygrometer reading is 58% rH. I consider this formula unacceptable and will continue researching a new formula.

Thanks for all your interest.

Tashaz
02-25-2010, 07:13 AM
Keep at it Marshall, Like an Aussie cattle dog! You'll get there I'm thinking. *S*

BigAsh
02-25-2010, 07:41 AM
...

I mentally toyed with the idea of not posting these results. But that just isn't an option!

:tu.....science is all about trial and error....keep on truckin'!

Brilliant
02-25-2010, 07:42 AM
Yeah I have two heelers and they don't quit ever 18 inches of snow and they still want to fetch. Best dogs around if you ask me.

Trouble
02-26-2010, 09:06 PM
A tip that may help you

Lithium chloride is a chemical compound with the formula LiCl. The salt is a typical ionic compound, although the small size of the Li+ ion gives rise to properties not seen for other alkali metal chlorides, such as extraordinary solubility in polar solvents (83g/100 mL of water at 20 °C) and its hygroscopic properties.

It is cheap and easy to get....

Trouble
02-26-2010, 09:16 PM
http://www.artsorbonline.com/product/

More than likely what HF beads are...