Starting to like wine...the Red version [Archive]

TheRiddick

02-19-2010, 11:28 AM

I just started drinking wine a few month's ago on the advice of my doctor for the cardiac benefits. I have found I tend to the Red wines as well cause the whites just aint "heavy" enough.

Try a nice German Reisling AUSLESE with some spicy Asian dish, let me know what you think :D

There is a place off the strip in Vegas called Lotus of Siam, considered one of the best Thai places in States. Their entire wine list is German Reisling, all at RETAIL prices and not a penny more, and the list is built on some of the best names in business. You order your food and tell them how spicy you want it, 1 to 10. I was OK at about 7 and I love spicy food... But the combo of spicy and sweet wine is the real deal and not to be missed.

No red wine would be able to play along with such a cuisine, so white wines do have a good place for certain foods. Although I am about a 95% red wine drinker.

Razorhog

02-19-2010, 11:34 AM

For a nice BCR (big cheap red as we call it in my family) try Little Penguin. The Cabernet Sauvignon is a favorite.

shilala

02-19-2010, 11:40 AM

I do a lot of wine shopping for Lisa. She likes Cabs and Merlot.
Bob is right on the money, someone told me the same thing when I asked in the liquor store.
Seems like Lisa likes Napa Valley stuff the most, Australian stuff the least. I'm trying to pay attention to what I buy so I can guess a little better. The year doesn't so much seem to matter, but 2005 seems to be where it's at, so far.
We have bunches of wineries around here, I'm hoping to find something local that she likes a lot. I'm guessing it'd be better, and better for her. :tu

TheRiddick

02-19-2010, 02:03 PM

Seems like Lisa likes Napa Valley stuff the most, Australian stuff the least.

There is a reason for that :-) I am sure there is an old thread on the subject, but in simple terms: Napa - clean, well made wines, OZ - all sorts of manipulation and additions plus way to much oak and at prices we're discussing, not oak barrels but oak chips to simply flavor the wine...

Just to put things in perspective, Michael Twelftree, the Two Hands guy, was bad mouthing CA wines and winemaking expertise big time in press. Take a wild guess where he is making wine now, or rather, who makes it for him and where...

replicant_argent

02-19-2010, 02:05 PM

Don't overlook Chilean or Aussie offerings, some fantastic values can be had.

pnoon

02-19-2010, 02:07 PM

Don't overlook Chilean or Aussie offerings, some fantastic values can be had.

I'd add Spanish Tempranillo to the list. :2

Mugen910

02-19-2010, 02:50 PM

Well, its like saying I like Maduro, Corojo, Criollo, etc. Any more specifics as to what you're actually drinking?

As for PIF and such, consumers are not allowed to ship wine. Sorry for bad news.

Technically I think we are not suppose to ship cigars either..;)

The only wine I can recall recently was something called Duckhorn. It went great with my steak :dr

rlmedic

02-19-2010, 03:03 PM

There is a reason for that :-) I am sure there is an old thread on the subject, but in simple terms: Napa - clean, well made wines, OZ - all sorts of manipulation and additions plus way to much oak and at prices we're discussing, not oak barrels but oak chips to simply flavor the wine...

Just to put things in perspective, Michael Twelftree, the Two Hands guy, was bad mouthing CA wines and winemaking expertise big time in press. Take a wild guess where he is making wine now, or rather, who makes it for him and where...

Lots of napa wineries also use oak chips for their less expensive wines along with egg shells so its not that Napa makes clean wine its a different grape different taste different expirence all around.

As to some inexpensive Napa cabs on of my favorites that is easy to get is called "the show" by joel gott/rebel wine company about $12.50/btl

mosesbotbol

02-19-2010, 03:32 PM

For a great red that the is bold and has something going on, try a Dao from Portugal. You can buy an awesome one for under $15 and it tastes noting like the plunk that most are drinking. Dao's are honest wines that can handle any food red wine could pair with.

The Poet

02-19-2010, 04:14 PM

Don't overlook Chilean or Aussie offerings, some fantastic values can be had.

For instance, the Xplorador line from Concha y Toro, at about 10 bucks, is a total steal. Try their Carmenere as well as the aforementioned Cab or Merlot.

Oh, and try a Malbec from Argentina also . . . a very drinkable red.

TheRiddick

02-19-2010, 05:21 PM

Technically I think we are not suppose to ship cigars either..;)

Except that you cannot conceal wine in a shipment even if you try. The old, I am shipping olive oil to my grandpa" does not work any longer, the best that could happen is you are either refusd to ship or get the wine back. In most cases it is simply confiscated.

Duckhorn is one of the best known names in Napa, for decades they were the top name in Merlot (been bypassed lately).

TheRiddick

02-19-2010, 05:51 PM

Lots of napa wineries also use oak chips for their less expensive wines along with egg shells so its not that Napa makes clean wine its a different grape different taste different expirence all around.

As to some inexpensive Napa cabs on of my favorites that is easy to get is called "the show" by joel gott/rebel wine company about $12.50/btl

Just curious, do you know what egg shells are used for? And if we're on the subject, it is egg whites, not egg shells, easier and "cleaner". I have seen milk used as well. What's so bad about egg whites or milk?

How many cheap Napa reds do you know? Say, compared to the zillions of "animal label" cases that come out of OZ? Have you been to any Napa cellars and seen nothing but acres of barrels? There is a reason for that OZ Cab to be priced at $15 or below and there is a reason many Napa Cabs cost $50 and up, barrels are sold in EU (currency), price per ton goes up to $15K (per ton). On the other hand, oak chips are cheap, harvesting 15 tons per acre (as opposed to 3 tons per in Napa) also makes for bland taste, main reason the big boys in OZ have some interesting "research" chem labs in place. To be fair, so does Gallo.

Better OZ Cabs cost same as Napa Cabs and the reasons are listed in the paragraph above. There are no miracles and no short cuts in wine world. BTW, many top end OZ Cabs (and reds in general) still use American oak barrels, they are about half price of European barrels.

Cab a different grape? Different taste? How? Have you done blind Cab tastings? Try a BLIND tasting of Cabs from whatever regions you feel like, let me know how much of a difference you will be able to pick up. Then do a similar BLIND tasting of, say, Pinot Noirs and red Burgs, and let me know just how easy it will be picking them apart. Same for Chardonnay and Chablis. German Reisling versus Austrian. I can go on... Cab is Cab until you reach into upper price range and this thread is obviously not there. Cab is a "pedestrian" and very hyped up grape, main reason so many are now moving to the likes of Portugal reds, Agentian Malbec, Grenache based reds, Syrah based blends, Petite Sirah and others. I stopped buying Cab years ago and am down to maybe a couple of cases.

Joel Gott makes no NAPA CAB, it is labeled CALIFORNIA CAB for a reason.

Let's talk apples and apples...

replicant_argent

02-19-2010, 06:02 PM

The best advice I think is Drink What You Like, Like What You Drink.

In my opinion, I look at the old CS "No Snobs" treatise and realize it has many uses.

Contrary to popular belief, you don't need to have a "Madagascar Vanilla" palate to simply enjoy what you are drawn to, and you don't have to have the aspirations to be an Amateur Sommelier either. People have been enjoying some very rustic and unrefined wines in odd corners of the world without worrying too much about whether something is "right" or "wrong" or High-brow or Low-brow.

Experiment, try many different varietals in your comfortable price range, and you will find your niche.

But what do I know... I have the palate of a goat... ;)

G G

02-19-2010, 06:43 PM

Try a nice German Reisling AUSLESE with some spicy Asian dish, let me know what you think
I am an admitted complete idiot when it comes to wine. I have found I do like cabs and port. I have a wine that a lady from my church gave us called Mission Hill Reserve Riesling Icewine 2004 that is awesome. Am I tasting olives? Or is that my imagination?

TheRiddick

02-19-2010, 06:50 PM

In my opinion, I look at the old CS "No Snobs" treatise and realize it has many uses.

Actually, I know a good number of locals who will ONLY drink Cab. Not sure if that qualifies them as snobs or not, but they won't even taste anything that doesn't say Cab on a label.

I'd rather drink beer, and I do, than drink all sorts of "animal labels" wines, if that's snobish, then be it. Meaning drinking less, but better quality (we ALL do that with cigars, no?). But something also tells me that I drink way more adventurous/interesting wines, in general, since I do not discriminate by grape, region or label, I may simply prefer some to others depending on company and food that day.

TheRiddick

02-19-2010, 07:07 PM

I am an admitted complete idiot when it comes to wine. I have found I do like cabs and port. I have a wine that a lady from my church gave us called Mission Hill Reserve Riesling Icewine 2004 that is awesome. Am I tasting olives? Or is that my imagination?

Greg,

Icewine is usually sweeter than Auslese and by law it has to be picked when berries are frozen. They literally grow these in colder climates (Germany and Canada) and simply let the grapes stay on vines until winter hits. What that does, the cold snap I mean, is evaporate most of the liquid out of berries in turn concentrating what's left with the sugar inside (they usually pick in snow). Imagine raisin like berries (deflated) full of sweet juice. Then they pick and press.

Have not tasted that particular wine. If you taste olives, then olives it is :-)

Italians do something similar with red grapes, Amarone wines. They pick, destem the fruit (picking berries off the stems/clusters) and lay them on special mats under the sun. Achieves same thing: water evaporation and sugar concentration. When berries get raisiny they are pressed and fermented, same as ice wine. The biggest difference may be the use of oak in Amarone to age wine versus stainless steel tanks for icewine.

Best Canada made icewines are pricey, but I've seen some at Costco at decent prices. German Reislings made from frozen grapes are really expensive as are Alsace Gewurtztramiers. But if there is a time to splurge, once a year or whatever, they can be mild blowing experiences, you simply pour some in a glass and sit back sniffing the wine for all its complexity and concentration.

Try a few more affordable German Reislings with spicy cuisine. I've seen some at Trader Joe's and Costco. Just make sure they are at least Spatlese (shoul be on the label) or Auslese. Trader Joe's sold some Beerenauslese (next step up) for $20 per, a 375ml bottle.

G G

02-19-2010, 07:18 PM

mosesbotbol

02-19-2010, 07:57 PM

Cab is Cab until you reach into upper price range and this thread is obviously not there. Cab is a "pedestrian" and very hyped up grape, main reason so many are now moving to the likes of Portugal reds, Agentian Malbec, Grenache based reds, Syrah based blends, Petite Sirah and others. I stopped buying Cab years ago and am down to maybe a couple of cases.

Cab is best blended as is most wine. Only a few grapes are really "meant" or can stand to be by themselves.

Buy wines from an chateau, estate, or producer. Wine should come from a specific place, not a wild animal print or fake entity.

Mugen910

02-19-2010, 08:26 PM

The best advice I think is Drink What You Like, Like What You Drink.

But but but...how will I know what I should like if no one gives me options :D

SilverFox

02-19-2010, 08:31 PM

Well seeing as we seem to have the same pallets in other matters:r

Find the St. Francis Old Vine Zinfandel

It is my absolute favourite red that is a medium value (not too expensive) non vintage.

Although California grown (Sonoma Valley) it is done in the old world style of Zinfandels and is really really good. It tastes of ripe black cherries and has a nice toasty oak taste. It finishes long and smooth and is not strong on tanins. This has been my house wine for some time.

rlmedic

02-19-2010, 08:45 PM

Just curious, do you know what egg shells are used for? And if we're on the subject, it is egg whites, not egg shells, easier and "cleaner". I have seen milk used as well. What's so bad about egg whites or milk?

How many cheap Napa reds do you know? Say, compared to the zillions of "animal label" cases that come out of OZ? Have you been to any Napa cellars and seen nothing but acres of barrels? There is a reason for that OZ Cab to be priced at $15 or below and there is a reason many Napa Cabs cost $50 and up, barrels are sold in EU (currency), price per ton goes up to $15K (per ton). On the other hand, oak chips are cheap, harvesting 15 tons per acre (as opposed to 3 tons per in Napa) also makes for bland taste, main reason the big boys in OZ have some interesting "research" chem labs in place. To be fair, so does Gallo.

Better OZ Cabs cost same as Napa Cabs and the reasons are listed in the paragraph above. There are no miracles and no short cuts in wine world. BTW, many top end OZ Cabs (and reds in general) still use American oak barrels, they are about half price of European barrels.

Cab a different grape? Different taste? How? Have you done blind Cab tastings? Try a BLIND tasting of Cabs from whatever regions you feel like, let me know how much of a difference you will be able to pick up. Then do a similar BLIND tasting of, say, Pinot Noirs and red Burgs, and let me know just how easy it will be picking them apart. Same for Chardonnay and Chablis. German Reisling versus Austrian. I can go on... Cab is Cab until you reach into upper price range and this thread is obviously not there. Cab is a "pedestrian" and very hyped up grape, main reason so many are now moving to the likes of Portugal reds, Agentian Malbec, Grenache based reds, Syrah based blends, Petite Sirah and others. I stopped buying Cab years ago and am down to maybe a couple of cases.

Joel Gott makes no NAPA CAB, it is labeled CALIFORNIA CAB for a reason.

Let's talk apples and apples...

Actually I do know what they are used for...as for a blind tasting I would be happy to...and be able to tell the diffference not only between say a napa cab and sonoma cab but a oakville vs a stags leap or howell mtn.

As for this thread it seems everytime you post all you do is try to prove your smarter then everyone else..just in case your wondering your not:ss all I was doing was trying to give a new wine drinker some inexpensive domestic cab recomendations.

rlmedic

02-19-2010, 08:49 PM

Thanks Greg for the info. This particular one was made in Canada by John Simes if that helps. Once again I am not too spiffy when it comes to wines. The bottle says I should be tasting Lemon-lime, green apple, guava and praline. Not sure but my wife and I both taste the olive. It's like when you sniff it you get the olive, then when you taste it you get the olive for just a second and then it turns to a fruity taste. I really like it though.

Greg the icewine that you were refering to is Mission Hill Family Estate. I am sure you can have your local wine shop order it for you or find it on the internet...winezap is a good place to start a search.

rlmedic

02-19-2010, 08:51 PM

But but but...how will I know what I should like if no one gives me options :D

Are you looking for wine to drink with dinner or enjoy a glass with a cigar?

SilverFox

02-19-2010, 08:53 PM

TheRiddick

02-19-2010, 10:53 PM

Actually I do know what they are used for...as for a blind tasting I would be happy to...and be able to tell the diffference not only between say a napa cab and sonoma cab but a oakville vs a stags leap or howell mtn.

As for this thread it seems everytime you post all you do is try to prove your smarter then everyone else..just in case your wondering your not:ss all I was doing was trying to give a new wine drinker some inexpensive domestic cab recomendations.

And if you do, then you'd know they are used to TAKE OUT tannin, they do not add anything in. In your post you challenged me when I stated that OZ wineries making cheap wine ADD stuff in. Tannin included among many other things.

I'd be happy to set up a blind tasting for you, next time you're in CA let me know and I will be happy to oblige. Just don't get too giddy, falling hard is the norm in blind tastings rather than success.

For someone who boasts of easily telling wines apart in a blind tasting I find it very strange that you have no idea the wine you recommended to the board doesn't even exist. Talk about expertise.

TheRiddick

02-19-2010, 11:50 PM

They aren't allowed to ship cuban cigars either last I checked -(P

Tell you what, since no one is listening.

Start the PIF. Let me know how far you get ;)

rlmedic

02-20-2010, 01:24 AM

And if you do, then you'd know they are used to TAKE OUT tannin, they do not add anything in. In your post you challenged me when I stated that OZ wineries making cheap wine ADD stuff in. Tannin included among many other things.

I'd be happy to set up a blind tasting for you, next time you're in CA let me know and I will be happy to oblige. Just don't get too giddy, falling hard is the norm in blind tastings rather than success.

For someone who boasts of easily telling wines apart in a blind tasting I find it very strange that you have no idea the wine you recommended to the board doesn't even exist. Talk about expertise.

And what wine would you be refering to that does not exist?

mosesbotbol

02-20-2010, 06:50 AM

Blind tastings are really difficult, especially if they are of same body and color. Not every wine is true to its terrior either which further complicates it.

I am a believer that weather can have an effect on a wine performs. We have all experienced it. The same wine on different days, one time it's awesome, the other it's fair... The same case, same glass, different day. Why? And I am talking about hearty wines that should not vary per OWC and the difference is not cork or bottling related.

G G

02-20-2010, 08:10 AM

Greg the icewine that you were refering to is Mission Hill Family Estate. I am sure you can have your local wine shop order it for you or find it on the internet...winezap is a good place to start a search.
Thanks Ryan, I am hoping to get a discount from the lady who gave it to me. She works for a distributor.:tu

SilverFox

02-20-2010, 09:27 AM

Riddick I am curious as to why you are so venomous in this thread. While I agree with your opinions on Australian wines in general I think your delivery is hostile and aggressive.

There are actually many Australian wines that I very much enjoy and find them comparable on many levels to the wines of the world...........I am assuming this doesn't make me stupid only of different tastes than others.

The OP was asking for opinions on Red Wine...........seems most folks where trying to do that, as luck would have it we all have opinions. Whether or not you agree with them is certainly your right, but to attack peoples knowledge or lack thereof based on them freely providing their opinions (as asked) to the OP seems somewhat self serving. You clearly are passionate about wines and seem to have a very good knowledge base but again I question your motives and your approach.

I am sure the OP would love some options of great wines that he could try based on your obvious depth of knowledge but attacking others because they like something seems well just rude. I have smoked cigars for years......I have tried hundreds upon hundreds of Non Cuban varieties and in truth I don't find much to like so I stick to Cubans............when people ask for advice on Cuban cigars I give what I know freely and hopefully friendily (not a word but it fits the purpose) what I don't do is hunt down Non Cuban thread recommendations and let loose a tirade on how there are a myriad of things that I don't like about NC's.

This thread has gone way of track of the OP's initial request and by this post I have contributed and for that I apologize.

Oh and on the shipping of bottles..............so far I am 15 for 15 in the past year, not that I am interested in doing a wine PIF just saying that what you say is impossible has been done. I would never recommend that someone circumvent the laws of their country or state.

kgoings

02-20-2010, 10:28 AM

There is a lot of good info in the thread, thanks! There is a total wine down the street from my house, I will have to try a tasting.

Shawn I will have to find some of the St. Francis Old Vine Zinfandel and give it a try.

What are some of the Valley's cheaper wines? Just for starters

cherrybomb

02-20-2010, 10:52 AM

I suggest you just try a bunch of different varietals, this is the easiest way to find what meets your palate

mosesbotbol

02-20-2010, 01:28 PM

The Poet

02-20-2010, 01:36 PM

A good general rule (feel free to argue) - Don't buy a red wine over 14.1% alcohol unless it's a CdP. Yes, Zin's are an exception, but don't buy over 14.5%.

To put this in perspective, the world's most expensive and coveted wines are 13.5% and under. Many around 12%

There are exceptions, I'd like to note. For instance, perhaps the smoothest, most refined and "cultured" wines I've ever had is Mollydooker The Boxer Shiraz, which is not outrageous at under $30/bottle. Yet it is an outrageous 16% alcohol. Talk about sneaking up on a guy - yowzer!

mosesbotbol

02-20-2010, 02:07 PM

There are exceptions, I'd like to note. For instance, perhaps the smoothest, most refined and "cultured" wines I've ever had is Mollydooker The Boxer Shiraz, which is not outrageous at under $30/bottle. Yet it is an outrageous 16% alcohol. Talk about sneaking up on a guy - yowzer!

I am not even going to comment on that one... I would not consider it cultured or refined at all, but that is what is fun about wine; there are many opinions and different tastes.

What are your other favorite wines or daily drinkers?

The Poet

02-20-2010, 02:30 PM

I am not even going to comment on that one... I would not consider it cultured or refined at all, but that is what is fun about wine; there are many opinions and different tastes.

What are your other favorite wines or daily drinkers?

Go ahead and comment, as I'd like to hear your opinion, despite the fact that it apparently disagrees not only to my own, but also to every customer to whom I have sold this particular wine . . . to be more specific, the 2007 vintage. Shoot, I'll even sell YOU a case or three, if you like. :r

As for my other faves . . . well, to be honest, I'll drink dang near anything. Hey, after you get the first glass or three down, what's the freakin' diff? :ss

Ratters

02-21-2010, 02:14 AM

Riddick I am curious as to why you are so venomous in this thread. While I agree with your opinions on Australian wines in general I think your delivery is hostile and aggressive.

He's not hostile or aggressive, he's Russian. Different, but may appear similar. :D

I don't drink wine, but fall in the drink it if you like it corner. Don't rule out Chiantis either, many poo poo them, but the Italian in me tells you to give it a try. And yeah, hit up Trader Joe's, they often have really good prices on different wines. I don't drink the stuff, but I still have to buy it for the fiance. ;) :ss

mosesbotbol

02-21-2010, 07:52 AM

Go ahead and comment, as I'd like to hear your opinion, despite the fact that it apparently disagrees not only to my own, but also to every customer to whom I have sold this particular wine . . .

Austrailian wine in general tastes too manipulated either by too much extraction, high alcohol, and almost all lack any terrior. They taste like concocted wine syrup. Mollydooker really typifies this new world style- which I am not a fan of. I am not singling out Mollydooker specifically, but lump it into with other Aussies like Thorne Clarke and Ball Buster…

My favorite Aussie and one I would point customers to is Torbreck’s “Woodcutter’s Reserve” Shiraz. Actually, Torbreck I would put on the top for mass produced Aussie wine.

Is Bud Light more acceptable as a beer just because it is outselling Anchor, Dogfish, and Dale’s? Certainly it is more acceptable to the bottom line of the balance sheet, but not as a fine beer.

You may sell more Wild Irish Rose than Petrus, but it does not legitimate Wild Irish Rose a contender in best wine prize.

T.G

02-21-2010, 09:11 AM

Riddick I am curious as to why you are so venomous in this thread. While I agree with your opinions on Australian wines in general I think your delivery is hostile and aggressive.

He's not hostile or aggressive, he's Russian. Different, but may appear similar. :D

:tpd:

Riddick isn't being hostile, passionate maybe but not hostile, he's just giving some technical information on wines, which is something he knows a hell of a lot about, and sometimes posts appear to come across a bit differently than intended.

I just take Greg's suggestions on wines, he's never steered me wrong yet.

TheRiddick

02-21-2010, 11:59 AM

Austrailian wine in general tastes too manipulated either by too much extraction, high alcohol, and almost all lack any terrior. They taste like concocted wine syrup. Mollydooker really typifies this new world style- which I am not a fan of. I am not singling out Mollydooker specifically, but lump it into with other Aussies like Thorne Clarke and Ball Buster…

My favorite Aussie and one I would point customers to is Torbreck’s “Woodcutter’s Reserve” Shiraz. Actually, Torbreck I would put on the top for mass produced Aussie wine.

Is Bud Light more acceptable as a beer just because it is outselling Anchor, Dogfish, and Dale’s? Certainly it is more acceptable to the bottom line of the balance sheet, but not as a fine beer.

You may sell more Wild Irish Rose than Petrus, but it does not legitimate Wild Irish Rose a contender in best wine prize.

Moses, it doesn't look we're getting through, seems like for some people here buying wine based on some arbitrary point score in a wine rag is good enough (do they buy cigars same way?).

I keep saying same thing you are about manipulation of wine in OZ, via huge expenditures into chem labs, and no, no one believes even though there is plenty of factual info available if one wants to explore (or is in business like I am and has to know what the competitors are up to). OX wineries are not shy about it, Yellow Tail is the prime example.

Inability of even seasoned palates to ID wines in a blind tastings consistently is a well documented fact by now yet it seems we now have 2 for 2 (second person in two weeks) claiming can easily do so. Even Parker makes mistakes in blind tastings he himself sets up and yet we have posters here who can. I guess they also have a nice bridge collection by now, too.

Recommending wines that do not even exist ("You Lie!") and then throwing a hissy fit when called on it.

So, I am attacked on the 3 points above, call the obvious bluff and chest beating, and then attacked some more in response. ("Gold, Jerry, it's gold!")

FUNNY...
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Spekaing of alcohol, do you recall what alc level is that legendary 1947 Petrus? :D

mosesbotbol

02-21-2010, 01:59 PM

Spekaing of alcohol, do you recall what alc level is that legendary 1947 Petrus? :D

I have no idea, but I would guess 12%?

rlmedic

02-21-2010, 03:38 PM

Moses, it doesn't look we're getting through, seems like for some people here buying wine based on some arbitrary point score in a wine rag is good enough (do they buy cigars same way?).

I keep saying same thing you are about manipulation of wine in OZ, via huge expenditures into chem labs, and no, no one believes even though there is plenty of factual info available if one wants to explore (or is in business like I am and has to know what the competitors are up to). OX wineries are not shy about it, Yellow Tail is the prime example.

Inability of even seasoned palates to ID wines in a blind tastings consistently is a well documented fact by now yet it seems we now have 2 for 2 (second person in two weeks) claiming can easily do so. Even Parker makes mistakes in blind tastings he himself sets up and yet we have posters here who can. I guess they also have a nice bridge collection by now, too.

Recommending wines that do not even exist ("You Lie!") and then throwing a hissy fit when called on it.

So, I am attacked on the 3 points above, call the obvious bluff and chest beating, and then attacked some more in response. ("Gold, Jerry, it's gold!")

FUNNY...
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Spekaing of alcohol, do you recall what alc level is that legendary 1947 Petrus? :D

Riddick,

Again I will ask what wine I recomended that does not exist?
Also you keep harping on the blind tasting....all wine of the same varietal that is from different areas, called AVA's, have distinct differences in taste. That is why I stated its like comparing apples and oranges.

Why not relax and smoke a cigar and mellow out:ss

replicant_argent

02-21-2010, 03:51 PM

Ahem... The op didn't ask for advice on how to be an Amateur Sommelier or quite a bit more of chest puffing and ball busting going on in this thread. As far as the bud light analogy? Some people like it, (not me, but I digress) and it fits their budget, and it makes them happy. No reason to look down your nose at them or pooh pooh how it is produced. I think the advice of trying many different varietals and specific bottle or producer suggestions are what Kirk may have been looking for here, rather than treatises on production values and hackle raising finger pointing.
I give a brother on here crap all the time about his Miller lite fetish, but he knows it comes as good-natured ribbing and gives it back just as well. This thread is not that.

Chris.

02-21-2010, 04:08 PM

Why not try some Madeira or Port wines? I love both!

mosesbotbol

02-21-2010, 04:19 PM

Why not try some Madeira or Port wines? I love both!

:D Yum! Make sure the Madeira is over ten years old.

hornitosmonster

02-21-2010, 04:49 PM

Tell you what, since no one is listening.

Start the PIF. Let me know how far you get ;)

I just had two bottles of Westy 12 shipped from the country of origin. Arrived nice and safe. I belong to another board and they have a dedicated section for trading beers.

And I wonder how wine of the months clubs do it ;)

Sauer Grapes

02-21-2010, 04:56 PM

Well, its like saying I like Maduro, Corojo, Criollo, etc. Any more specifics as to what you're actually drinking?

As for PIF and such, consumers are not allowed to ship wine. Sorry for bad news.

Not exactly true. It depends on the laws of the state for both the sender and the receiver. Also, it cant's go USPS, but FedEx or UPS are fine as long as the state laws OK it. It is illegal in some states.

mosesbotbol

02-21-2010, 04:57 PM

As far as the bud light analogy? Some people like it, (not me, but I digress) and it fits their budget, and it makes them happy. No reason to look down your nose at them or pooh pooh how it is produced.

Would have to disagree with this. Just because it makes them happy and fits their budget does not mean it's a good wine (or beer). There are plenty of honest wines with real character at every price point.

One does not have to drink "Bud Light" wine just because they have a limited budget.

TheRiddick

02-21-2010, 05:14 PM

I just had two bottles of Westy 12 shipped from the country of origin. Arrived nice and safe. I belong to another board and they have a dedicated section for trading beers.

And I wonder how wine of the months clubs do it ;)

Clubs are LICENSED retail outlets with no B&M presence. The keyword, for those still not listening, is LICENSED, same as your corner wine shop.

This is getting tiring. With so many doubters and experts, I did recommend someone start a PIF. I meant it. Let me know how far you guys get, that is ALL I AM ASKING.

We'll discuss results at a later date. I'll just give a hint, use cheapest wine available so that you do not lose much in the process.

PS. Ask Bobarian what company he works for, then ask yourself why such a company is in business if wine is easy to ship.

PPS. Start the PIF.

TheRiddick

02-21-2010, 05:16 PM

Again I will ask what wine I recomended that does not exist?

For the third time (looking back at the thread):

Joel Gott NAPA Cab

Stop playing games.

TheRiddick

02-21-2010, 05:18 PM

I have no idea, but I would guess 12%?

Try 15.6% :D

mosesbotbol

02-21-2010, 05:21 PM

Try 15.6% :D

Holy Sh**!

Knowing how traditional wine was made back then, that must have been a blockbuster! Hence it's staying power today. Wines of similar alcohol today do not have the natural acid or tannin to balance it.

Stick

02-21-2010, 05:22 PM

This is getting tiring. With so many doubters and experts, I did recommend someone start a PIF. I meant it. Let me know how far you guys get, that is ALL I AM ASKING.
...
PPS. Start the PIF.

It's against the rules (http://www.cigarasylum.com/vb/showthread.php?p=622#post622):

Some (not all) items we do not allow in PIF's, MAW's, WTS/WTB/WTT are

Guns and or weapons
Alcohol
Drugs
(you get the idea right?)

rlmedic

02-21-2010, 05:36 PM

For the third time (looking back at the thread):

Joel Gott NAPA Cab

Stop playing games.

Sorry CA Cab...

my god you are a child

hornitosmonster

02-21-2010, 05:55 PM

Clubs are LICENSED retail outlets with no B&M presence. The keyword, for those still not listening, is LICENSED, same as your corner wine shop.

This is getting tiring. With so many doubters and experts, I did recommend someone start a PIF. I meant it. Let me know how far you guys get, that is ALL I AM ASKING.

We'll discuss results at a later date. I'll just give a hint, use cheapest wine available so that you do not lose much in the process.

PS. Ask Bobarian what company he works for, then ask yourself why such a company is in business if wine is easy to ship.

PPS. Start the PIF.

FYI, we have done a PIF with cigars and hard liquor (old site).

T.G

02-21-2010, 06:30 PM

FYI, we have done a PIF with cigars and hard liquor (old site).

Did anyone actually tell the carrier truthfully what was in the box?

TheRiddick

02-21-2010, 07:06 PM

Sorry CA Cab...

my god you are a child

Do you even read your own posts? Or rather, BOASTS?

Whatever...

Mugen910

02-22-2010, 10:50 AM

Sorry CA Cab...

my god you are a child

Do you even read your own posts? Or rather, BOASTS?

Whatever...

Oh yeah? Your momma is so fat.....

OK stop...either cut the crap or take it to PM because this is not benefiting ME! :D A bit of ribbing is fine here and there as long as people understand it's all in good humor.

Can we start a Newbie Must Try list of wines? What would you suggest in making such a list?

Oh and why do I need a special glass for wine or port? I noticed that drinking 10yr old taylorfladgate (sp) out of a glass cup (moses is going to kill me) did not take nearly as good as when it was consumed out of a special glass.

BC-Axeman

02-22-2010, 10:54 AM

Whatever you do, DON'T use Styrofoam!

Mugen910

02-22-2010, 11:01 AM

Whatever you do, DON'T use Styrofoam!

Went to visit a friend in Pitts a few months back and he asked what I wanted to drink since he does not stock anything but beer. I told him port and forgot to bring the glass ware. :mad:

mosesbotbol

02-22-2010, 11:09 AM

Can we start a Newbie Must Try list of wines? What would you suggest in making such a list?

Oh and why do I need a special glass for wine or port? I noticed that drinking 10yr old taylorfladgate (sp) out of a glass cup (moses is going to kill me) did not take nearly as good as when it was consumed out of a special glass.

A list of "Newbie Must Try list of wines" is a nice idea. I would recommend narrowing/defining what wines can be on the list or why they are in the list. Major definers would be price range, food friendly, cigar friendly... Beyond “I liked it” should be stated as you are nominating it for some reason. Not everyone wants to spend $50 on a bottle and some have no interest in drinking $5 bottles of wine.

As for the glass, every wine has its own unique properties that a proper wine glass will exaggerate or compliment. Your description and result is correct and you astute to notice the difference! Very few restaurants have the correct port glass. Most serve them in a thimble like child's glass. If you go to such a place, ask for your port in a white wine glass. Many times they just pour you even more! Especially if it's a busy nite club kind of place.

Mugen910

02-22-2010, 11:19 AM

Your description and result is correct and you astute to notice the difference!

:banger

The only thing I noticed was that it drank sweeter and almost thicker. I went home and purchased the same bottle and drank from a thimble like child's glass and that was very different. I'll have to invest in real port glassware since I seem to be take a glass or two every few days after work.

bobarian

02-22-2010, 11:19 AM

Sorry CA Cab...

And you think there is no difference here in this "minor" mistake? A CA Cab sells for about a $3-12 a bottle. A Napa Cab $50 and up for a decent winemaker. There is no reason to even have a Napa and a CA cab in the same room. A CA cab has no hints of terroir, they may be decent wines but they are blended to take out the distinctness of region or terroir.

mosesbotbol

02-22-2010, 11:21 AM

have to invest in real port glassware since I seem to be take a glass or two every few days after work.

Reidel is the most popular fine port glass in USA. Libby makes a nice small red wine glass that looks just like the Reidel at just a couple of dollars. The main difference is the Libby has a rolled edge and Reidel is cut, but they are similar profiles which is the most important factor.

BC-Axeman

02-22-2010, 11:49 AM

And you think there is no difference here in this "minor" mistake? A CA Cab sells for about a $3-12 a bottle. A Napa Cab $50 and up for a decent winemaker. There is no reason to even have a Napa and a CA cab in the same room. A CA cab has no hints of terroir, they may be decent wines but they are blended to take out the distinctness of region or terroir.:bx
...says the Napa resident.
:su

Mugen910

02-22-2010, 12:19 PM

Reidel is the most popular fine port glass in USA. Libby makes a nice small red wine glass that looks just like the Reidel at just a couple of dollars. The main difference is the Libby has a rolled edge and Reidel is cut, but they are similar profiles which is the most important factor.

Does a rolled edge make a difference in any way?

btw thanks for the info.:tu

mosesbotbol

02-22-2010, 12:29 PM

Does a rolled edge make a difference in any way?

btw thanks for the info.:tu

Yes. I suggest that everyone pour the same wine into different glasses and judge for yourself.

If you ever questioned whether a good glass can make wine taste better. I'll bet you on that one all day long.

The nose will be dramatically different, as will the taste and delivery. A port glass deliver the perfect amount each sip. As does a Red Burgundy or Chablis glass does.

The whole experience and pleasure of wine is dramatically effected by stemware.

bobarian

02-22-2010, 12:33 PM

Yes. I suggest that everyone pour the same wine into different glasses and judge for yourself.

If you ever questioned whether a good glass can make wine taste better. I'll bet you on that one all day long.

The nose will be dramatically different, as will the taste and delivery. A port glass deliver the perfect amount each sip. As does a Red Burgundy or Chablis glass does.

The whole experience and pleasure of wine is dramatically effected by stemware.

Moses is wise. The shape and construction of the glass will add to the experience. The actual chemical qualities of the glass seems to be less important. Both Crate and Barrell and Pier 1 Imports have several lines of glasses in different price ranges.

Mugen910

02-22-2010, 12:37 PM

The whole experience and pleasure of wine is dramatically effected by stemware.

The shape and construction of the glass will add to the experience.

Don't ever invite me over or I'll accidentally take home your wine/port glassware :r

kgoings

02-22-2010, 01:56 PM

A list of "Newbie Must Try list of wines" is a nice idea. I would recommend narrowing/defining what wines can be on the list or why they are in the list. Major definers would be price range, food friendly, cigar friendly... Beyond “I liked it” should be stated as you are nominating it for some reason. Not everyone wants to spend $50 on a bottle and some have no interest in drinking $5 bottles of wine.

As for the glass, every wine has its own unique properties that a proper wine glass will exaggerate or compliment. Your description and result is correct and you astute to notice the difference! Very few restaurants have the correct port glass. Most serve them in a thimble like child's glass. If you go to such a place, ask for your port in a white wine glass. Many times they just pour you even more! Especially if it's a busy nite club kind of place.

A Newbie Must try list would be cool. It would be nice to have it categorized by area of production, and then sub categories by price

Mugen910

02-22-2010, 02:10 PM

A Newbie Must try list would be cool. It would be nice to have it categorized by area of production, and then sub categories by price

I vote RLMEDIC, THERIDDICK, MOSESBOTBOL to commission such a list and they must work together :r

SilverFox

02-22-2010, 02:10 PM

kgoings

02-22-2010, 02:12 PM

mosesbotbol

02-22-2010, 02:16 PM

Don't ever invite me over or I'll accidentally take home your wine/port glassware :r

You'll have to get by Camber first. If you come by for a port night, I will give you a couple to take home.

mosesbotbol

02-22-2010, 02:19 PM

Hey Kirk,

Another that you might like to give a try that is readily available and very reasonable is the Torres Gran Coronas Cabernet Sauvignon. It is a reasonable priced wine (you should be able to find it at around the 15 to 17 dollar mark. It is an 85% Cab and 15% Tempranillo. It is from Spain if I recall, it is a very easy drinking wine that goes super with bbq :)

Already off to a good start... That is a solid Spanish wine with a recognizable label.

I picked up a 1991 Torres Grand Reserva for $25 in bin ends on Saturday. My girlfriend and I are anxious to open it.

Mugen910

02-22-2010, 02:22 PM

You'll have to get by Camber first. If you come by for a port night, I will give you a couple to take home.

Is that's your dog's name? That's awesome!:tu

1)Torres Gran Coronas Cabernet Sauvignon

TheRiddick

02-22-2010, 02:34 PM

Already off to a good start...

If one doesn't mind the presence of American Oak barrels - dill nose and flavor.

pnoon

02-22-2010, 02:42 PM

Already off to a good start... That is a solid Spanish wine with a recognizable label.

I picked up a 1991 Torres Grand Reserva for $25 in bin ends on Saturday. My girlfriend and I are anxious to open it.

If one doesn't mind the presence of opinions other than my own.

I fixed it for you. ;)

mosesbotbol

02-22-2010, 03:05 PM

Is that's your dog's name? That's awesome!:tu

Yes, that's her. My avatar.

rlmedic

02-22-2010, 03:12 PM

Ok lets try this again... how about a favorite French wine of mine under $20, pretty easy to find, and 90+ points by Parker if that matters to you

Saint Cosme Côte du Rhône

Mugen910

02-22-2010, 03:14 PM

Yes, that's her. My avatar.

:tu

Ok lets try this again... how about a favorite French wine of mine under $20, pretty easy to find, and 90+ points by Parker if that matters to you

Saint Cosme Côte du Rhône

Is there a specific year or does it not matter for newbies?

rlmedic

02-22-2010, 03:17 PM

kgoings

02-22-2010, 03:18 PM

1)Torres Gran Coronas Cabernet Sauvignon
2)St. Francis Old Vine Zinfandel

rlmedic

02-22-2010, 03:20 PM

:tu

Is there a specific year or does it not matter for newbies?

The current vintage (2007) is drinking great. Here is nice chart of different vintages and the ratings of each vintage..

http://www.erobertparker.com/newSearch/vintageChart1.aspx

rlmedic

02-22-2010, 03:23 PM

1)Torres Gran Coronas Cabernet Sauvignon
2)St. Francis Old Vine Zinfandel
3)Saint Cosme Côte du Rhône

Plus another great Zin from CA:
seghesio old vine zin

TheRiddick

02-22-2010, 03:43 PM

I fixed it for you. ;)

Thanks.

Can you clarify what was it you took as "opinion"? The fact that American Oak barrels instill dill flavor on wine, sometimes heavily so? Or the fact that Spain is only second to Australia in use of American Oak in wines in that price range?

pnoon

02-22-2010, 03:50 PM

Thanks.

Can you clarify what was it you took as "opinion"? The fact that American Oak barrels instill dill flavor on wine, sometimes heavily so? Or the fact that Spain is only second to Australia in use of American Oak in wines in that price range?

Certainly. My comment has nothing to do with wine. You obviously are quite knowledgeable about wine. But you also are intolerant of anyone's opinions or tastes but your own. Others in this thread have said as much but you choose to ignore their feedback. Evidence that you have little regard for anyone else's opinion. Moses stated he thought the list was off to a good start. Your post was arrogant and pompous and, for all intents and purposes, said it wasn't off to a good start. Why not just allow people their opinions instead of trying to come across that your opinions are the only ones that matter?

weak_link

02-22-2010, 03:52 PM

I'd love to 'out' someone in this thread but I won't. Much more fun this way. :r

TheRiddick

02-22-2010, 04:02 PM

Certainly. My comment has nothing to do with wine. You obviously are quite knowledgeable about wine. But you also are intolerant of anyone's opinions or tastes but your own. Others in this thread have said as much but you choose to ignore their feedback. Evidence that you have little regard for anyone else's opinion. Moses stated he thought the list was off to a good start. Your post was arrogant and pompous and, for all intents and purposes, said it wasn't off to a good start. Why not just allow people their opinions instead of trying to come across that your opinions are the only ones that matter?

What was so "intolerant" in my response to a wine recommended? Stating the obvious that when recommending a wine maybe a few bits about flavor profile should also be included? If you like strong cigars and someone suggests a cigar you have never tried, should someone be allowed to let you know "it is light"? Is price and label enough for someone to judge if they will like it or not, be it wine or cigars?

TheRiddick

02-22-2010, 04:03 PM

I'd love to 'out' someone in this thread but I won't. Much more fun this way. :r

Eric, won't matter one way or another, it is clear by now...

G G

02-22-2010, 04:11 PM

I realize i am an unsophisticated southerner, but now i have to go and buy a different "special" glass to drink my port out of. The plastic tumbler i have used up to now isn't cutting it. :r

The Poet

02-22-2010, 04:14 PM

kgoings

02-22-2010, 04:17 PM

What was so "intolerant" in my response to a wine recommended? Stating the obvious that when recommending a wine maybe a few bits about flavor profile should also be included? If you like strong cigars and someone suggests a cigar you have never tried, should someone be allowed to let you know "it is light"? Is price and label enough for someone to judge if they will like it or not, be it wine or cigars?

Why don't you just add to the list instead of giving negative feedback to the wines on the list. That way those of us who wish to explore more wines can make up our minds ourselves.

TheRiddick

02-22-2010, 04:30 PM

To clarify my last point, 'way up there before the baitch-slappin' fight started, I never said I liked the Mollydooker. Actually, I prefer something with a bit more bite, and I never mind high tannins . . . until it hits the alum-pucker stage, anyway. What I said, or thought I did anyway, was a higher-alcohol content does not mean the drink cannot be smooth.

As for comparing Mollydooker to Bud Light . . . well, I can see YellowTail maybe, but not Mollydooker, even if only by pricepoint. :)

No point in apologizing, IMO, we all drink what we like. I was as skeptical as the next guy when Mollydooker came out and yet when I tasted it the first time I really liked it. Not that I bought any after that, but it was enjoyable that night. Some days, depending on mood and company, even swill will taste great (I am NOT calling Mollydooker swill!) and on some night even your most prized wine collection may taste like crap.

As for alcohol, its a long and drawn out discussion on all levels for a number of years now. Too bad that a good number of those who are opposed to high alcohol, primarily wine retailers and restaurateurs, are so poorly educated on the subject since a good number of French/Italian wines they sell are actually way higher in alcohol than what is stated on labels. So, the old adage of "If a tree falls..." works here as well, as long as they don't know what is REALLY in the bottle, they spend the time talking down to you about the "benefits" of low alcohol wines. Like I said above, I'e had low alc wines where the first thing I experienced was alcohol and I have had almost 17% reds where it did not. If you ever find a bottle of Martinelli Giuseppe & Luisa Zin, from a GOOD vintage only, you will understand how little alcohol will "interfere" with the enjoyment, the wine is simply amazing.

BC-Axeman

02-22-2010, 04:35 PM

I like American oak, as long as it's not overdone. :2

T.G

02-22-2010, 04:38 PM

I've been dealing with BBSs and later internet forums since the mid-late 80's and it still never ceases to amaze me how mixed up things can get in posts because people communicate differently. Technical facts get taken as negative critiques, sarcasm as attacks, miscommunication turn into fights, opinions are taken as challenges...

Screw this, I'm going to go get a bottle of MD20/20 Blue Kiwi wine and see if the flavor is improved by drinking it out of stemware.

replicant_argent

02-22-2010, 04:47 PM

Screw this, I'm going to go get a bottle of MD20/20 Blue Kiwi wine and see if the flavor is improved by drinking it out of stemware.

Better yet, use a cut off one liter bottle, cap side, inverted, (cap on, of course)
much better Nose that way, and the sharper edges of the unpolished PET plastic help the far too soft roundness and sweetness of that vintage. Don't fill it more than half full, it's considered declasse.

pnoon

02-22-2010, 04:53 PM

What was so "intolerant" in my response to a wine recommended?

You didn't comment on the wine. Your reply included a modified quoted post that said "off to a good start" .
Your response was "If one doesn't mind the presence of American Oak barrels" Your statement was an indirect comment about the wine but saying that the list would then NOT be off to a good start.

If you wanted to comment on the wine, just say so. Commenting that the list is NOT off to a good start is totally different.

TheRiddick

02-22-2010, 05:10 PM

You didn't comment on the wine. Your reply included a modified quoted post that said "off to a good start" .

Simply to indicate which post I was responding to. Take a look at my posts, I NEVER modify anyone's post, never did nor have any inclination to do so since they not my posts. I may bold something in a post I am responding to, but NEVER change any content.

Mugen910

02-23-2010, 06:49 PM

I'm drinking Rosemount
Shiraz 07

Kinda light and lightly fruity....any comments on this?

replicant_argent

02-23-2010, 06:56 PM

I'm drinking Rosemount
Shiraz 07

Kinda light and lightly fruity....any comments on this?

Do you like it?

If you do?

It's a good/great/wonderful wine.

;)

I have had a bottle or two of the Aussie stuff. Enjoyed it too. But what do I know?

mosesbotbol

02-23-2010, 08:32 PM

I'm drinking Rosemount
Shiraz 07

Kinda light and lightly fruity....any comments on this?

You thought that was light? Fruit forward indeed.

Jacob's Creek is another similar wine/price point you may want to consider. Their cab-shiraz blend adds more dimension than just straight shiraz. Thorne Clarke is another big one. I bought a case of JC for a give-away a few years ago and I am quite pleased how it has matured! Not many would bother, but for a $60 case, why not give it a gamble?

A wonderful step up is the Woodcutter's Reserve Shiraz which is I think is under $20.

Mugen910

02-24-2010, 08:04 AM

OK maybe it wasn't too light because I slept like a baby...13% :r

I might be confusing light as overall flavoring and spice...ugh so much to learn...

BC-Axeman

02-24-2010, 08:39 AM

Yeah, like full bodied-strong tasting. I can never get that nailed down. To me, light would be thinner and more subtle with less oak.

mosesbotbol

02-24-2010, 11:10 AM

Light means in taste, color, and/or body.

Aussie wines are none of those.

Mugen910

02-25-2010, 07:14 AM

Yeah, like full bodied-strong tasting. I can never get that nailed down. To me, light would be thinner and more subtle with less oak.

Thinner! That's what I meant by light. ;s

G G

02-25-2010, 07:27 PM

G G

02-25-2010, 07:38 PM

Forgot to mention that it's Australian.

G G

02-25-2010, 07:41 PM

Maybe I just thought I was a heavyweight and am in fact a lightweight.:r

smokin5

02-25-2010, 07:56 PM

I lost patience reading all the posts, so if this is redundant, please forgive this old codger....
Good red wines that are quite inexpensive can be found from Washington State. Try some of the Columbia Crest or Hogue wines. I'm particularly fond of the Columbia Crest Merlot/Cab blend (Merlot, Cabernet Franc & Cabernet Sauvignon), & Shiraz. The C.C. Cabernet Sauvignon by itself is kind of weak. Also, try some of the Alexander Valley (California) Pinot Noirs. Castle Rock is very good & can be had for about $12/bottle.:)

G G

02-26-2010, 08:53 AM

Thanks for the info.:tu

TheRiddick

02-26-2010, 12:11 PM

Forgot to mention that it's Australian.

Greg, I don't think there was a need to. :D

I do like a number of OZ wines, but they are either obscure/not widely available or expensive as hell (try Clarendon Hills for size). Anything below $10-12 price point, I stay away from, Far away.

See if you can find a bottle of Bogle Petite Sirah in your neck of the woods. Should be around $12 (or maybe even cheaper, I've seen a number of CA wines selling for less in FL than here). Come to think of it, any Bogle or Sebastiani offerings should provide for a clean, well made wine at an affordable price.

Also, one bottle you really need to try, especially with summer time coming, is Bonny Doon Pacific Reisling, just slightly chilled. Not the Icewine you had, but a great wine as aperitif as well as with food (Asian or some spice). And I have seen it sell at $8 per in FL (Miami area). If that is not abailable, try Fetzer Gewurtztramminer or Beringer Moscato (both in the $6 range), but that Bonny Doon is a great buy in all respects and beats many wines at double the price.

G G

02-26-2010, 04:48 PM

I appreciate the info Greg, will definately try to find these and give em a go.:tu

G G

02-28-2010, 07:18 AM

Our friend from church brought us a couple of Riedell wine glasses yesterday, can't wait to try it out. I have been drinking from a plastic tumbler.

G G

02-28-2010, 07:22 AM

It's a set of two Cab glasses but that will be better than palstic.

pnoon

02-28-2010, 07:28 AM

It's a set of two Cab glasses but that will be better than palstic.

Huge difference, Greg. One of the pleasures of red wine is the nose/bouquet/aroma that can be enjoyed from a proper glass.

G G

02-28-2010, 07:33 AM

Huge difference, Greg. One of the pleasures of red wine is the nose/bouquet/aroma that can be enjoyed from a proper glass.
Kinda figured Peter, can't wait to try them out. My wife likes to drink her wine with ice, pretty sure she would be flamed here for that, so not sure if she will try them or not.

pnoon

02-28-2010, 07:36 AM

Kinda figured Peter, can't wait to try them out. My wife likes to drink her wine with ice, pretty sure she would be flamed here for that, so not sure if she will try them or not.

There are some purists here that would likely chastise you/her for that. I certainly won't.
It is not the accepted way to appreciate finer wine. Temperature would be wrong and the wine would be watered down.

However, like with cigars. Drink what you like. Like what you drink.

G G

02-28-2010, 07:37 AM

G G

02-28-2010, 07:39 AM

There are some purists here that would likely chastise you/her for that. I certainly won't.
It is not the accepted way to appreciate finer wine. Temperature would be wrong and the wine would be watered down.

However, like with cigars. Drink what you like. Like what you drink.
:r brother we aint drinking too much what you would classify as fine wine. But I like some of the cheaper stuff I have had and some of the more expensive one's have been equally bad. So I have learned that wine is like cigars, cheaper is sometime but not always good and more expensive doesn't always mean better either.:tu

pnoon

02-28-2010, 07:40 AM

G G

02-28-2010, 07:40 AM

It's a set of two Cab glasses but that will be better than palstic.
my keyboard is dyslexic.:r

G G

02-28-2010, 07:42 AM

I am not that particular beyond glass and a general wine glass shape to the bowl.
Once again, purists will tell you that the proper glass is essential. But I would maintain that most (including me) would not taste an appreciable difference.
Thanks Peter, I was scared I was going to have to get twenty three different kinds. Seriously though, I am looking forward to trying to see the diffrence in plastic and crystal.

pnoon

02-28-2010, 07:42 AM

:r brother we aint drinking too much what you would classify as fine wine. But I like some of the cheaper stuff I have had and some of the more expensive one's have been equally bad. So I have learned that wine is like cigars, cheaper is sometime but not always good and more expensive doesn't always mean better either.:tu

Too funny. What I meant by "fine wine" is that it is something more than a generic table wine - although there are some of those that will surprise you. I guess another way to put it is that it is a varietal or blend of varietals specified on the bottle.

G G

02-28-2010, 07:45 AM

Too funny. What I meant by "fine wine" is that it is something more than a generic table wine - although there are some of those that will surprise you. I guess another way to put it is that it is a varietal or blend of varietals specified on the bottle.
I am too much of a wine newbie to know much difference right now. I have been buying a cheap port at ABC Liquors and I like it very much. I was given a bottle of real Portugese port that really sucked.

mosesbotbol

02-28-2010, 08:33 AM

Just to see whatever everyone else does:

Do yall have all the different kinds of glasses (cas, ports, syrah) or do ya pretty much stick with one kind and drink the different kinds from the same wine glass?

I use to have a lot of different ones, but now I am down to a Red (cab shaped), a white (which looks bigger than many would associate with white wines except in France), port glasses, and Champagne flutes.

I would suggest:

2-4 decanters along with cheese cloth and/or unbleach muslin
Red Cab
Red Burg (rounder works with merlot too)
White Large (Chard's)
White Small with slight angled top (use for Moscato and fine Champagne)
Flutes (cheaper Champagne and parties)
Port glasses (works with schnapps and hard liquors too)

G G

02-28-2010, 10:41 AM

I use to have a lot of different ones, but now I am down to a Red (cab shaped), a white (which looks bigger than many would associate with white wines except in France), port glasses, and Champagne flutes.

I would suggest:

2-4 decanters along with cheese cloth and/or unbleach muslin
Red Cab
Red Burg (rounder works with merlot too)
White Large (Chard's)
White Small with slight angled top (use for Moscato and fine Champagne)
Flutes (cheaper Champagne and parties)
Port glasses (works with schnapps and hard liquors too)

Thanks for the info.:tu

TheRiddick

02-28-2010, 11:45 AM

Kinda figured Peter, can't wait to try them out. My wife likes to drink her wine with ice, pretty sure she would be flamed here for that, so not sure if she will try them or not.

Greg, until recent times, and I am talking a couple of years back and maybe even these days, young affluent Chinese were mixing very expensive red French Bordeaux wines with Coke, so I guess some ice in wine is not that bad :-))

Go to any Barrel & Crate store, they usually have a nice selection at decent prices, you should be able to find something for $5 per stem. Try
http://www.crateandbarrel.com/family.aspx?c=130&f=31655, either of the two on the bottom of the page. Buy 2 of each and taste from them side by side, see how shapes and volume make a difference. If you drink Pinot Noi, then Burgundy shape (bottom of page) is a "requirement" :-))

G G

02-28-2010, 11:47 AM

Thanks Greg, i'll see if i can get some of those.

G G

02-28-2010, 07:46 PM

I just opened a bottle of some swill called Henry's Drive 2006 Shiraz that is god awful. I aint no expert but I am thinking it is heavy (and I mean heavy) on the oak and tannins. Absolutely would not give you a nickel for another bottle. Thank the Lord that it was free.
Just for the record I drank some of this from a Riedell wine glass and guess what? It still sucks big time.:td

TheRiddick

02-28-2010, 09:59 PM

Just for the record I drank some of this from a Riedell wine glass and guess what? It still sucks big time.:td

Greg,

First Law of organic chemistry: If you mix a pound of fruit jam and a pound of crap, you end up with 2 pounds of crap. (Nice glass or not.)

OZ wine sales dropped 25% last year and still going South with increasing speed. Now you know why.

mosesbotbol

03-01-2010, 04:55 AM

I just opened a bottle of some swill called Henry's Drive 2006 Shiraz that is god awful. I aint no expert but I am thinking it is heavy (and I mean heavy) on the oak and tannins. Absolutely would not give you a nickel for another bottle. Thank the Lord that it was free.

Really? That is a good brand too. For Austrailian wine lovers, this brand is recommended. I can't believe I am reading this after all the positive comments said here on Austrailian wine.

G G

03-02-2010, 11:05 AM

Really? That is a good brand too. For Austrailian wine lovers, this brand is recommended. I can't believe I am reading this after all the positive comments said here on Austrailian wine.
Moses, please don't go by just my opinion please. I am definately not an expert. I can say it tasted like crap to me though, and I like full bodied reds but this is just a bad taste to me. I know lots of folks prolly like it, but it just isn't something I can take. Actually kinda left a nauseous feeling on my stomach after only drinking about 6 or 8 ounces.

G G

03-02-2010, 11:11 AM

Greg, I don't think there was a need to. :D

I do like a number of OZ wines, but they are either obscure/not widely available or expensive as hell (try Clarendon Hills for size). Anything below $10-12 price point, I stay away from, Far away.

See if you can find a bottle of Bogle Petite Sirah in your neck of the woods. Should be around $12 (or maybe even cheaper, I've seen a number of CA wines selling for less in FL than here). Come to think of it, any Bogle or Sebastiani offerings should provide for a clean, well made wine at an affordable price.

Also, one bottle you really need to try, especially with summer time coming, is Bonny Doon Pacific Reisling, just slightly chilled. Not the Icewine you had, but a great wine as aperitif as well as with food (Asian or some spice). And I have seen it sell at $8 per in FL (Miami area). If that is not abailable, try Fetzer Gewurtztramminer or Beringer Moscato (both in the $6 range), but that Bonny Doon is a great buy in all respects and beats many wines at double the price.
Was able to buy a bottle each of Fetzer Gewurtztramminer and Beringer Moscato at the local Wal-mart. I think the Moscato was like 4 bucks and the Fetzer was like 12 bucks. I like em ok, but the wife really likes the moscato. Also have some moscato and rieslings coming from our friend at church. I find that I like the free stuff really good (just kidding, but free is good) I think I will be with wine like I am with cigars. Will prolly have a few that I always go back to but will continue to sample and try different kinds and brands.:tu