Joya Cabinetta Series

[neoflex]

Anyone seen these yet? Very interesting nonetheless. Figured I would share with the rest of the nut house.:r
http://www.scribd.com/doc/26892714/Joya-de-Nicaragua-Cabinetta-Serie-Cigar-Press-Release

[Emjaysmash]

I saw the release. Looks very interesting. I'll need to pick up a few!

[TheRiddick]

Smoked one yesterday. If you like Alec Bradley Tempus or Illusione, then I am sure you'll like these as well. Full bodied, creamy and rich with the maduro wrapper adding some spice as well (once you get there).

[mariogolbee]

I smoked one last week at a tasting and it was fairly good. I wasn't jumping up and down for joy, but it was good. I think I saw a review somewhere here for them.

Edit: In fact I think it was Greg, who posted just before me, that posted the review.

[T.G]

Have one, haven't smoked it yet. I'll get around to it eventually.

[Ratters]

I've smoked a few. Prefer the flavor and strength of an Antano, but the flavors of the Cabinetta are very interesting and it's always changing. It's really more of a medium stick. I'll smoke more of them. And it's actually a connecticut wrapper and a criollo wrapper I believe.

[neoflex]

Looks like I am behind the times.:r Actually I'm not surprised some of you have these sticks in your possession. You guys are nuttier than me.;) It'll probably be awhile before I see them around here but I will harass the locals with weekly phone calls until they arrive. Most of my locals have not even gotten any of the AF Rosados in yet and they have been out a while so I'll be sure not to hold my breathe waiting on these to show up on the shelves. One of the very few things I miss about no longer being in NY. Most of the locals had a full array of the latest and greatest and often times would be sold out by the time I found out about some of the new lines. There seems to be a bottle neck when it comes to some of these smokes making their way to the Charlotte area.

[mariogolbee]

Prefer the flavor and strength of an Antano, but the flavors of the Cabinetta are very interesting and it's always changing. It's really more of a medium stick. And it's actually a connecticut wrapper and a criollo wrapper I believe.

I agree with you completely on these notes Steve. That's what I guessed the wrapper was to the rep and he confirmed it.

It'll probably be awhile before I see them around...
:hm I'm already behind on my shipments so I don't know when I'll send it but I have one. It will make it's way to your doorstep at some point John.

[Robert Mabona]

Smoked one yesterday. If you like Alec Bradley Tempus or Illusione, then I am sure you'll like these as well. Full bodied, creamy and rich with the maduro wrapper adding some spice as well (once you get there).

um, no. the cigar is slightly stronger than mild. pleasant, but mono-dimensional. the maduro leaf(as explained by marvin samel) is too short to be smoked and is intended to be tasted for it's unlit qualities.

[Ratters]

Really? I didn't find it strong, but definitely didn't find it mono-dimensional.

[Emjaysmash]

um, no. the cigar is slightly stronger than mild. pleasant, but mono-dimensional. the maduro leaf(as explained by marvin samel) is too short to be smoked and is intended to be tasted for it's unlit qualities.

Really? I didn't find it strong, but definitely didn't find it mono-dimensional.

Ooooh, controvesy!!

: popcorn emoticon:

[mariogolbee]

Really? I didn't find it strong, but definitely didn't find it mono-dimensional.

I found to not be extremely complex but it did have a few shifts in flavor. It wasn't really all that mild either. The strength seemed to develop as I smoked it.

[TheRiddick]

um, no. the cigar is slightly stronger than mild. pleasant, but mono-dimensional. the maduro leaf(as explained by marvin samel) is too short to be smoked and is intended to be tasted for it's unlit qualities.

I find Camachos on a mild side, FYI, and milder than this stick (Corona size). There is enough maduro there to get a decent taste of it, spice and all. Once you leave the Criollo wrapper and get into Maduro, you DO notice a flavor change and I was happy to nub it. Smoke one on an empty stomach, let me know how mild it is. Had it been mild, I'd have tossed it pretty early (had it after a meal).
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If there is one negative there, it is the slight underfill, which leads to ash breaking off at about 2/3 of an inch (even though there is a solid feel to the cigar?).

[Ratters]

There is no maduro in the stick, it's a shade grown connecticut (I'm pretty sure that's what they said) and the criollo at the tip. And I smoke it well into the criollo. :ss

[mariogolbee]

If there is one negative there, it is the slight underfill, which leads to ash breaking off at about 2/3 of an inch (even though there is a solid feel to the cigar?).

I hate when that happens. My experience easily gained me 2"+ on ash length. This was simply my own personal experience though.

[mariogolbee]

There is no maduro in the stick, it's a shade grown connecticut (I'm pretty sure that's what they said) and the criollo at the tip. And I smoke it well into the criollo. :ss
:tpd: This is what the Drew Estates rep confirmed with me as well. I was looking online at a retailer site that says something about maduro and natural. The rep said otherwise though.

[T.G]

There is no maduro in the stick, it's a shade grown connecticut (I'm pretty sure that's what they said) and the criollo at the tip. And I smoke it well into the criollo. :ss



From the link in post #1:
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At first glance, you will notice the Cabinetta Serie features two wrappers, a top-grade Equadorian Shade which
covers its entire length with the head then finished in a second cover leaf of rich, Nicaraguan Criollo. Aptly named
by the factory as “Dos Capas”, this technique allows the smoke itself to be creamy and smooth, yet provide a
spicy flavor for the consumer without making the smoke itself to strong. “Unlike the common, double-wrapped
‘barber pole’ cigars, which is primarily for appearance sake, this Dos Capas-style actually offers the cigar smoker
a different and unique flavor and aroma,” states Dr. Alejandro Martinez Cuenca, JdN’s owner and master blender.

--end


The criollo wrapper is dark enough that it could be graded as a maduro though.

[Ratters]

Ah, thanks for that Adam, I guess I shoulda clicked on the link. :ss

[Robert Mabona]

again, marvin samel called it maduro.

[mariogolbee]

I like cake.

[Robert Mabona]

I find Camachos on a mild side, FYI, and milder than this stick (Corona size). There is enough maduro there to get a decent taste of it, spice and all. Once you leave the Criollo wrapper and get into Maduro, you DO notice a flavor change and I was happy to nub it. Smoke one on an empty stomach, let me know how mild it is. Had it been mild, I'd have tossed it pretty early (had it after a meal).
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If there is one negative there, it is the slight underfill, which leads to ash breaking off at about 2/3 of an inch (even though there is a solid feel to the cigar?).

the criollo is the maduro.
and a cigar doesn't change it's strength because your stomach is empty or full.

[Robert Mabona]

I like cake.

me too! and when i eat red velvet my cigars decide all on their own that they are going to be stronger.

[bobarian]

the criollo is the maduro.
and a cigar doesn't change it's strength because your stomach is empty or full.

After bringing us your "Authentic" Habana Clube cigars, your word is gospel. :rolleyes:

[Robert Mabona]

i never claimed authenticity. in the end, i shared the words of an authority from davidoff stating they were fake. you obviously need to reread the threads on that topic.
as far as my statements here, the leaf varieties and shade are quoted from the info in the link AND from Marvin Samel. and it doesn't even take common sense to tell us that cigars do not change strength because of outside conditions, but only from time.

[pnoon]

i never claimed authenticity.

How quickly you forget. Sounds like a claim of authenticity to me.
these have been authenticated by:
1. the managing director of these establishments:
C.Gars Ltd (London and Norfolk)
Modern,Vintage and Rare Havana Cigar Specialists

La Casa Del Habano-Hamburg

Turmeaus Tobacconist Est. 1817 (Liverpool and Chester)

Robert Graham Ltd Est. 1874 ( Glasgow ,Edinburgh and London)

2. Paul Palmer

3. Jeff Borysiewicz

Common sense does, indeed, tell us that cigar strength does not change due to outside conditions. But common sense also tells us that things like drinking alcohol and smoking (nicotine) will effect us differently whether or not we have eaten recently.

[Robert Mabona]

i admit, i did forget my statement there or i would have my rephrased my statement here. however, i don't claim to be a cigar professional and the authenticity was not my claim either, but rather that of these 3. who were wrong.

[pnoon]

i admit, i did forget my statement there or i would have my rephrased my statement here. however, i don't claim to be a cigar professional and the authenticity was not my claim either, but rather that of these 3. who were wrong.

Sorry. I call BS here.

It's obvious you did not do the authentication. But using the feedback you received from them, you were claiming they were authentic. Common sense tells us that.

[Emjaysmash]

I'd argue the strength and body of a cigar is subjective, much like flavor. I know people who never get buzzed on cigars that, after I smoke them, send me reeling.

The Press-release claims these are mild-medium, and other BOTLs claim they are full or Med or just mild. Same with flavor. One thinks it's complex the other thinks it's one-dimensional. You can state you own opinion, but you can't refute another as completely wrong.

[weak_link]

That's one high horse.

http://www.artwww.net/mcarney/images/High%20Horse.jpg

[BlackIrish]

I'd argue the strength and body of a cigar is subjective, much like flavor. I know people who never get buzzed on cigars that, after I smoke them, send me reeling.

The Press-release claims these are mild-medium, and other BOTLs claim they are full or Med or just mild. Same with flavor. One thinks it's complex the other thinks it's one-dimensional. You can state you own opinion, but you can't refute another as completely wrong.

What's struck me, and, it seems, others, is the tenor of the remarks. There's plenty of room for disagreement here, and yor opinion of the cigar can be valuable to those of us who are curious about it.

Unfortunately, your tone seriously undermines the value of your contribution. Instead of telling someone they're wrong about a cigar's strength and complexity (see the post above that starts "Um, no.") You might have prefaced it by saying something like, "That's interesting. My experience was the opposite . . . .".

This is a lively but friendly community, and a little ordinary politeness goes a long way.

Just my :2.
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[Ratters]

I'm just wondering if he actually tried the smoke. I've smoked several, and while I prefer the flavor of the Antano, it is a nice medium bodied stick with some very interesting flavor changes throughout. Someone who would call it mild hasn't smoked one. It may not have a bunch of vitamin N, but the smoke has a nice flavorful body to it. I'll definitely smoke more.

[Tuxguy]

I like cake.
Oh Boy, I remember on another far off board someone saying this. Outcome was not good!

[T.G]

I like cake.

Oh Boy, I remember on another far off board someone saying this. Outcome was not good!

Please forgive him, for he is young and knows not the power of the mystic words which he speaks.

[bobarian]

Please forgive him, for he is young and knows not the power of the mystic words which he speaks.

:r:tpd::banger

[T.G]

So, I'm trading a few posts on another board with Dr. Cuenca right now about this cigar and he just stated that the filler and binder are the same as the classical line (the gold roundel band).


Believe me I new from the moment I decided to go for such a blend, mixing the connecticut wrapper with the Habano criollo wrapper, and maintaing the same filler and binder that I use for the Classical line, that would give a very special smoke. It is a very interest and dynamic smoke, since as the cigar burns,it is in a very dynamic process that changes tastes and strength mainting its total balance. I like it, and I am using it as my early morning cigar.

[mariogolbee]

So, I'm trading a few posts on another board with Dr. Cuenca right now about this cigar and he just stated that the filler and binder are the same as the classical line (the gold roundel band).

Thank you for your further investigation into this matter Adam.