The biggest waste of money cigar for 2009 [Archive]

neoflex

01-07-2010, 02:36 PM

El Triunfador also.
I absolutely love these but the price tag keeps me from having them in a regular rotation. The worst stick in '09 for me had to be a Diamond Crown Maximus Robusto. I thought the first one was a fluke but the second one was just as unimpressive as the first.

icehog3

01-07-2010, 02:44 PM

Anything Gurkha :D

Since I smoked a couple Gurkhas in the Punishment-Puff-Pass in '09, I can heartily agree. ;)

Col. Kurtz

01-07-2010, 02:52 PM

For me, Tat Noella Reserva. Certainly not worth the coin.

Mr. Ed

01-07-2010, 02:59 PM

I tried the Ashton ESG, good smoke. At its usual price? Not the best value IMO.

Bruins Fan

01-07-2010, 03:04 PM

Anything CAO for me, I can't remember having a good one :td

The Poet

01-07-2010, 03:13 PM

It's times like this I'm glad I'm poor - I have never wasted money on over-hyped crap, because I just don't have money to waste.

Adriftpanda

01-07-2010, 03:17 PM

Too much Opus, I didn't need to buy that many.

BORIStheBLADE

01-07-2010, 03:18 PM

For me... The Drac...

BryanB

01-07-2010, 03:36 PM

I might get beat over this one but Cains. Habano or Maduro. I thought they both sucked.

Mr. Ed

01-07-2010, 04:03 PM

It's times like this I'm glad I'm poor - I have never wasted money on over-hyped crap, because I just don't have money to waste.

I'm not rolling in piles of cash either, but I think its good to at least try everything once, better to regret smoking something than to regret not smoking something. :2

Skywalker

01-07-2010, 04:09 PM

Gene Arganese got a lot of my money in 2009!!!:r

The Poet

01-07-2010, 04:17 PM

I'm not rolling in piles of cash either, but I think its good to at least try everything once, better to regret smoking something than to regret not smoking something. :2

OK, then send me one of everything, and I'll send you back :2. :r

Mr. Ed

01-07-2010, 04:25 PM

OK, then send me one of everything, and I'll send you back :2. :r

Oh yeah sure, I'll purchase you some of these as soon as I stop lighting my cigars with new, crisp 50 dollar bills.;)

eber

01-07-2010, 04:25 PM

Opus X
:tpd:

cigardan

01-07-2010, 04:30 PM

Funny how one man's meat is another man's poison. I loved the Camacho Liberty 2009. My biggest disappointments are both popular smokes, and I've loved EPCs earlier work, but I have had rotten luck with both the LGC Artesanos de Miami and the new EP Carillo Edicion Inaugural.

ScottieM

01-07-2010, 04:31 PM

Gene Arganese got a lot of my money in 2009!!!:r

Sorry to hear that! His cigars went from bad to worse in 09.:td

Adriftpanda

01-07-2010, 04:34 PM

Gene Arganese got a lot of my money in 2009!!!:r

:r:r:r:r

Stop it. You lie.

JJG

01-07-2010, 04:35 PM

now that I'm giving it some thought, I didn't have any cigars this year that were God awful or hideously overpriced.

biggest disappointment?

Cabaiguan

It was not a bad cigar at all and I smoked the whole thing. It was just sooo mild that I couldn't get enough flavor for my tastes, and I like mild cigars. :(

It didn't help matters that my expectations were sky high based on the universally positive feedback regarding this line.

spectrrr

01-07-2010, 04:40 PM

Aside from the obvious things (which I don't buy) what I did buy that sucked huge was a 5vr of Cohiba Maduro Secretos. YUK!

:tpd: HATED that cigar.... tho I was kinda hoping I just got a bad one...

Dunkel

01-07-2010, 04:46 PM

Ashton VSG I received them in trades or PIF's and they didn't live up to 1/2 the hype. Rather bland IMHO.

neoflex

01-07-2010, 04:47 PM

ripper

01-07-2010, 05:07 PM

Tabak Especial Dulce tasted like they were dipped in high fructose corn syrup.

RevSmoke

01-07-2010, 05:09 PM

I would have to go with the Cain 550 Habano. Truly a disappointment - strong and nothing much else.

eber

01-07-2010, 05:11 PM

Ashton VSG I received them in trades or PIF's and they didn't live up to 1/2 the hype. Rather bland IMHO.

I have to agree with this one as well, I smoked a lonsdale size one and it burned well and tasted good but not good enough to warrant the high price

gnukfu

01-07-2010, 05:15 PM

I smoked a Macanudo 1968 that was the worst cigar of the year for me....I didn't pay for it but it was still a waste of money because it was a waste of my time! The only other memorable horrible smoke was the barber pole Cohiba Torps in the glass box. I took a puff off of one at one of Vin's cigarbeques...and then Ben (Stearns) nubbed the frigging thing.

hotreds

01-07-2010, 05:18 PM

I'd hafta say any nc Gloria Cubana that I tried. I gave them three strikes- now they're "OUT!"

gnukfu

01-07-2010, 05:28 PM

I'd hafta say any nc Gloria Cubana that I tried. I gave them three strikes- now they're "OUT!"

The old blend or the new Pepin blend that came out late in 2009?

rlmedic

01-07-2010, 05:33 PM

I have to go with the Liga privada T52...not much for an $11 stick...had 2 and really didn;t enjoy either.

lightning9191

01-07-2010, 06:11 PM

Some Davidoff tubo....I think I paid around $15 for it. The most I've ever paid for a cigar that I can recall. It totally sucked.:td

Patrick B

01-07-2010, 06:23 PM

La Traviata.

Diamond Crown.

Ashton VSG.

captain53

01-07-2010, 06:26 PM

I have got my flak jacket and kevlar helmet on in preparation for this so go at it. I purchased several Taboo Cigars and was highly dissapointed after some hype here. Especially the LR Havana, thing fell part as I smoked it. No construction issues with others but no excitment in the taste either. Sorry but that is just my :2 worth on the smokes. Now as to the Company and folks that run it they are first class and service is excellent so nothing personal just not wild about the Taboo Cigars. As they always say though like what you smoke and smoke what you like - everybody likes something different. Also not a real high priced cigar either so no big $ let down.

Another major let down was the La Traviata, man there was no excitement there and they always get great reviews.

Smokin Gator

01-07-2010, 06:51 PM

For me, Tat Noella Reserva. Certainly not worth the coin.

OMG... I am shocked to hear that... It was one of my favorite NCs for the year.

Aside from the obvious things (which I don't buy) what I did buy that sucked huge was a 5vr of Cohiba Maduro Secretos. YUK!

I think that would be my biggest disappointment as well for a regular production stick.

neoflex

01-07-2010, 07:02 PM

The old blend or the new Pepin blend that came out late in 2009?
I think you mixing up LGC with the La Aroma De Cuba Edition Especials.

darkninja67

01-07-2010, 07:13 PM

I think you mixing up LGC with the La Aroma De Cuba Edition Especials.

You may be mixing up the two LADC lines. The EE was always a Pepin blend IIRC while the new regular line is a Pepin blend as well.

NCRadioMan

01-07-2010, 07:18 PM

Drac, Boris, Black Tubo, Cain, all of the new Gurkha's, Monte Open, any nc by Altadis and as always, Opus.

Mr.Goodfella

01-07-2010, 07:29 PM

I thought I would be the first one to call out the Drac, Boris, and Black tubo but Chutney Lovebusciut beat me to it. After last years Frank release I had real high hopes for the Drac, then I found out that they would release an undressed version of the Frank so I figured oh boy! What a bunch of poo, and then to top it off he puts out a Black tubo that totally sucks, no flavor, won't stay lit, blah. Other than those I would agree with Cain, Cain F, Diamond Crown (all of them), Opus X (just this years batch), and even though it got good marks, I hated the Padron 45th maduro (I tossed it after 2").

SkinsFanLarry

01-07-2010, 07:31 PM

Opus X

I definately with you on that Dan!

....and "everything" made by Gurkha!

s15driftking

01-07-2010, 07:53 PM

montecristo Vino series, 13 bucks of B&M yuck

Illusione something or another, sucked for the price

tatuaje anything

can anyone coment on the LFD El Museo? is it worth 27 bucks?

neoflex

01-07-2010, 07:55 PM

I am big Litto ho but I don't think any cigar is worth $27 a pop.

gnukfu

01-08-2010, 04:26 AM

I think you mixing up LGC with the La Aroma De Cuba Edition Especials.

Yeah I am mixed up....thanks for the correction! They both start with La.....after that I get confused...however, all the LADC blends are Pepin now, not just the EE.

quantim0

01-08-2010, 06:40 AM

Everything from my CAO sampler that I've tried so far. The only things I have left are an America (which I do like), Brazilia, and MX2. Everything else I've had from them is just blah, nothing to write home about and I certainly won't be buying any I've tried again.

tenbaseg

01-08-2010, 06:52 AM

Alec Bradley tempus. Not a bad smoke, but just not what I expected for the price. I tried a few different sizes and they just didn't do it for me.

Subvet642

01-08-2010, 07:00 AM

I'd hafta say any nc Gloria Cubana that I tried. I gave them three strikes- now they're "OUT!"

That odd, I love the Wavell maddies.

MiamiE

01-08-2010, 07:14 AM

Anything Perdomo let me down this past year. Tastes like grass.

njstone

01-08-2010, 09:46 AM

I'm surprised you guys didn't like the El Triumfador. I didn't like it either, but I thought I was the only 1...

In my experience, nearly every Tatuaje product needs to rest for several months if not longer. Some people like them fresh I suppose, which is why he releases them as such, but I think they're better rested.

The first time I had an El Triunfador, I was VERY underwhelmed. It just didn't have much flavor. Then I had one with a year of age ... WOW, what a difference! The same basic flavors were there, but just a lot stronger and it was a really, really great cigar.

Like the La Riqueza, the El Triunfador is best on a clean palate.

kelmac07

01-08-2010, 10:08 AM

Opus X

:tpd: Agree with Dan on this one. Way too much hype for an average stick.

spectrrr

01-08-2010, 10:25 AM

The only other memorable horrible smoke was the barber pole Cohiba Torps in the glass box. I took a puff off of one at one of Vin's cigarbeques...and then Ben (Stearns) nubbed the frigging thing.

nuff said, really wish I could have seen that! :r:r:r

Doctorossi

01-08-2010, 10:28 AM

All you folks hatin' on Opus can send your failed investments to me. :ss

e-man67

01-08-2010, 10:29 AM

Anything Perdomo let me down this past year. Tastes like grass.

Please try an ESV 91 connie...I agree on the rest of the Perdomos.

MiamiE

01-08-2010, 10:31 AM

Please try an ESV 91 connie...I agree on the rest of the Perdomos.

Ill have to try it. Everything else is garbage, IMO.

hotreds

01-08-2010, 10:33 AM

The old blend or the new Pepin blend that came out late in 2009?

Old blend.

Starscream

01-08-2010, 10:33 AM

It's times like this I'm glad I'm poor - I have never wasted money on over-hyped crap, because I just don't have money to waste.

:tpd::D

s15driftking

01-08-2010, 10:39 AM

Anything Perdomo let me down this past year. Tastes like grass.

have you had the Habano maduro? I think it's wonderful!

csbrewfisher

01-08-2010, 11:18 AM

Anything Perdomo let me down this past year. Tastes like grass.

Really. You might check your humidification, as grass is seldom an adjective used to describe Nicaraguan tobacco.

mithrilG60

01-08-2010, 11:30 AM

Opus X. Massively over-hyped, nothing more than a "meh" smoke with a great marketing machine.

ScottishSmoker

01-08-2010, 12:18 PM

Doctorossi

01-08-2010, 01:00 PM

I am going to have to say the entirety of the Arturo Fuente lines...

:jd Remind me not to shop at your B&M. :r

lopro

01-08-2010, 01:19 PM

Nub Connie

(or is that older than 2009 -- I'm n00b)

eber

01-08-2010, 01:20 PM

have you had the Habano maduro? I think it's wonderful!

I really enjoyed these as well especially the torps

Caymus

01-09-2010, 11:14 PM

Hesitant to admit....but I had a Tatuaje Cojonu I'd been saving on New Year's Eve, and I just didn't get it....found it to be boring. Could have been the atmosphere, or what I was drinking...but I was disappointed.

borndead1

01-10-2010, 08:54 AM

I might get beat over this one but Cains. Habano or Maduro. I thought they both sucked.

Same here. Bigger joke than Nubs.

s15driftking

01-10-2010, 08:55 AM

I really enjoyed these as well especially the torps

That was the First box i bought from a B&M. Loved every minute of them! Got them right before SCHIP hit and they sold me a box for a C-note... That's cheap considering at the time CI sold them for the same price! :tu

PuffdaMagic

01-10-2010, 09:05 AM

G3 Gurkha...Didnt like the taste from the start to end

bobarian

01-10-2010, 10:26 AM

Never wasted money on a cigar. Even when I bought a bad one the money was well spent learning I would never buy another and that I could pass on that knowledge to my friends. Bought at 3 pack of White Owl Peach, and to see the expression on Huy's face as he smoked it was priceless!

cf2112

01-10-2010, 10:55 AM

I am going to have to say the entirety of the Arturo Fuente lines...every year, I give the Opus a couple of chances...I remember them from 2001-2003 and absolutely LOVING them...now they suck more than Tiger Woods at keeping things secret...The Anejo still tastes like a charcoal briquet...and damned do I miss the good days of the Don Carlos line! The whole Chateau series puts me too sleep....I guess I do not like the Fuente stuff anymore...perhaps my taste buds have moved on...

I used to smoke a lot of Fuente stuff but as my tastes changed and I tried other cigars I found I do not like Dominican tobacco as a general rule. I still like an aged WOAM & Anejo 46 & 77.

My biggest disappointments have been any Tat, major hype little substance. I love Nic tobacco but these just don't do it for me. I did have a El Triunfador that was good but the others left me thinking.

bookman

01-10-2010, 11:10 AM

That odd, I love the Wavell maddies.

Me too. One of my all tiem favorites, and about $4 a stick, too.

AliBubba

01-10-2010, 12:32 PM

I dont go for the new hot sticks any more. I wander around the stuff that has a good following.

I land on one, smoke a box or two, then move onto something else, smoke a box or two.

The most overrated thing I smoked was a freebie. I got an MX2 from the rep. Eh. Nothing to get worked up over.

Something I did like but is way over priced was the Zin Scepter series.

They were nice sitting a relaxing with a beer or bourbon cigars but priced like they were celebration cigars.

klipsch

01-11-2010, 01:28 PM

Every Cain I smoked (3 different ones), the Drac & Liga T52.

I've only been smoking since Dec 2008, so everything was new for me in 2009. That's a short list for as many cigars as I smoked. OH...and an OR Opus RdC at a charity herf in Kingston, NY last summer. Amazing herf!!! (major kudos to the crew at Uptown Cigar, and all who pitched in) But all of the Opus OR's turned out to be fakes. Good thing...cause I wasn't impressed... :r

rizzle

01-11-2010, 01:35 PM

El Triunfador

For realz? I've been wanting badly to try one of the lanceros. Now you done gone and busted my bubble.

wayner123

01-11-2010, 01:45 PM

For realz? I've been wanting badly to try one of the lanceros. Now you done gone and busted my bubble.

Yeah, I love a good deal of what Tatuaje has to offer. But for some reason I didn't like these. To me they tasted of chalk. The inhale was pleasant but the exhale left a very chalk like taste.

NCRadioMan

01-11-2010, 01:51 PM

For realz? I've been wanting badly to try one of the lanceros. Now you done gone and busted my bubble.

I think they are talking about the new ones, not the old lanceros. Those are damn good. Haven't had the new ones yet.

wayner123

01-11-2010, 01:53 PM

I think they are talking about the new ones, not the old lanceros. Those are damn good. Haven't had the new ones yet.

I am talking about all of them. From the original release to the recent ones. Fresh, aged, and new release. IME, all have had a chalky aftertaste to them.

JJG

01-11-2010, 03:34 PM

Hesitant to admit.... Tatuaje Cojonu

just curious if it was the '09 or the '03

The '09 was one of my favorite NCs of the year and by far my favorite Tat of all time. I bought a '03 hoping for the same result and was really disappointed. It tasted just like a regular Tat brown without any sharpness to the flavor. Dull and sweet would be a perfect description.

klipsch

01-11-2010, 04:16 PM

I am talking about all of them. From the original release to the recent ones. Fresh, aged, and new release. IME, all have had a chalky aftertaste to them.

Didn't like the one I had either. And I'm a huge Tat whore

klipsch

01-11-2010, 04:18 PM

just curious if it was the '09 or the '03

The '09 was one of my favorite NCs of the year and by far my favorite Tat of all time. I bought a '03 hoping for the same result and was really disappointed. It tasted just like a regular Tat brown without any sharpness to the flavor. Dull and sweet would be a perfect description.

I missed this one on my list. I chucked the 09 about 2/3's into it. Maybe I'll try one again if it's given to me.

darkninja67

01-11-2010, 05:14 PM

Liga Privada and Tatuaje were boring for me.
Major hype but they just do not do it for me.

thebayratt

01-11-2010, 05:19 PM

Illusione CG4
With all they hype, I wasted a good $8 that I know I could have bought 2 less expensive sticks and had 3times the flavor.

Caymus

01-12-2010, 07:45 AM

It was the '03 JJG. I've found that cigars are a lot like wine in many ways. For example, I can have a wine one time and it can taste completely different the next time. It depends on so many factors.

s15driftking

01-12-2010, 09:02 AM

Liga Privada and Tatuaje were boring for me.
Major hype but they just do not do it for me.

I too was underwhelmed at the Liga Privada no.9 especially given it’s pricetag!

Was a good smoke, just not a good 12 dollar smoke.

srduggins

01-12-2010, 12:22 PM

Hated the Liga Privada #9 and a Dunhill signed range tubo. I didn't even bother to finish either one.

BeerAdvocate

01-12-2010, 01:17 PM

I am surprised a few of you disliked the Liga Privada #9 so much.
This is one of my Top 5 favorite smokes!
It does suck that they cost as much as they do!

njstone

01-12-2010, 04:25 PM

So far, most isoms that I've had have been overpriced, in my opinion. Though I'll admit I've still not had very many. A number of BOTLs have gifted/traded me some in recent months, though, so I think 2010 will be full of further research :)

njstone

01-12-2010, 04:26 PM

I am surprised a few of you disliked the Liga Privada #9 so much.
This is one of my Top 5 favorite smokes!
It does suck that they cost as much as they do!

I agree--I love the LP#9. It's one of my Top Ten for 2009. Though I too wish they went on special occasionally.

darkninja67

01-12-2010, 04:27 PM

I am surprised a few of you disliked the Liga Privada #9 so much.
This is one of my Top 5 favorite smokes!
It does suck that they cost as much as they do!

They were ok but do not demand the price paid IMO.

DoctaJ

01-12-2010, 05:37 PM

Ashton VSG I received them in trades or PIF's and they didn't live up to 1/2 the hype. Rather bland IMHO.

Just shows you different strokes for different folks...probably my favorite new cigar (to me) of 2009

s15driftking

01-13-2010, 05:40 AM

I also think that graycliff is kind of a rip...

TripleF

01-13-2010, 06:11 AM

The #1 Cigar for 2009....
The 1964 Padron Family Reserve 45th Anniversario

Definitely not worth the $25.00.........

Garbandz

01-13-2010, 07:24 AM

Andretti, Joya de Panama, Tobaccos Baez SF, Casa Magna Oscuro.

SmokinApe

01-15-2010, 08:26 PM

In 09, for me it was the Oliva V Maduro... Terrible cigar...

heavyd

01-15-2010, 10:29 PM

Tat Red tubo for me... tasted/smelled sorta like a Gurkha (essence of dryer lint). The Black tubo was pretty good, but I won't buy any more of those due to the construction quality issues I have had.

The EVP

01-16-2010, 06:56 AM

I hate to say this because I realy do like some of his cigars, but the latest lines from Rocky Patel haven't been doing much for me. Didn't like the Patel Brother's. The 1961 is okay, but nothing to get excited about. The seasonal collections were okay but again, nothing that realy blew me away.

gnukfu

01-16-2010, 11:56 AM

Tat Red tubo for me... tasted/smelled sorta like a Gurkha (essence of dryer lint). The Black tubo was pretty good, but I won't buy any more of those due to the construction quality issues I have had.

Interesting...I thought the Red was great and wasn't impressed with the Black.

Bruzee

01-16-2010, 12:01 PM

Liga Privada #9..... I paid $18 for it, and I was sorely disappointed.

Homebrewer

01-17-2010, 06:22 AM

After reading this thread, I'm going to agree with the El Triunfador crowd. I bought two of these for $11 bucks each after the owner of the B&M pulled them out from the back of the store like they were his secret stash.

So I smoked one back then (1 year ago) and was not impressed, especially for the money. Then yesterday I remembered that I had one more aging in the humi. I smoked it and guess what? No magic. No $11 magic for sure. It was an okay cigar that I would put on par with a gran habano. I'd say it should have been priced @ $4.

lakeside toker

01-17-2010, 06:44 AM

Any Tatuaje. I have given them many chances and always wrapper issues.

s15driftking

01-17-2010, 06:55 AM

Liga Privada #9..... I paid $18 for it, and I was sorely disappointed.

18??? Ouch!

Buena Fortuna

01-17-2010, 07:44 AM

Anything from Avalon...I'm surprised the World Health Organization and the CDC would allow something like these to even be called a cigar and then that anyone could even sleep at night after selling them to someone...I would smoke Cremosas all day before smoking these

kelmac07

01-17-2010, 08:51 AM

For me it was the La Riqueza...torched three of these and all three were very bland and one dimension.

kgraybill

01-17-2010, 01:00 PM

Rocky Patel R4 maduro. They were cheep but I dont think I would even put them in a moochodor.

Trouble

01-17-2010, 02:12 PM

I hate to say a cigar is bad. I feel they are a lot like colors... There are no bad ones just personal preference.

That being said, I just smoked a Graycliff 1666. It was very light in weight and the draw was like pulling through a paper towel tube. It felt like it contained half the tobacco of a regular cigar. I did not enjoy the flavor either.

I got it in a sampler and figured it was a cheap cigar they included in the sampler to get rid of it. I just looked online and could not believe it is such an expensive cigar.

It does get good reviews. Maybe it is just me.

bigheadmark

01-17-2010, 04:26 PM

Anything Perdomo let me down this past year. Tastes like grass.

YES I agree!!! PERDOMO has totally gone downhill compared to how they used to be!

Buena Fortuna

01-17-2010, 04:39 PM

Liga Privada #9..... I paid $18 for it, and I was sorely disappointed.

:tpd:

I smoked my first one today and I have to sagree with you. It was a gift, but I would have been dissappointed if I had paid more than $6 for it:2

Zulu

01-17-2010, 11:00 PM

This is a very strange topic seeing how the beauty of cigars is that there are so many kinds because we all have different tastes. That being said I hope that those new to cigar smoking realize these posts are merely opinions and hope they do not influence new cigar enthusiasts from trying cigars that some here have trashed. That being said; I hate CC Montecristo #2...I've had more than I can count, and yes they were the real thing, but I would never post a bad review of the MC2CC knowing that it's not a bad cigar, it's just not to my liking.
Almost every major stick has been trashed on this thread so that goes to show that it is all a matter of taste and opinion.
So; I'm not trying to be the self righteous defender of every cigar ever made, or poohing on anyone who has voiced their opinion...
...only to speak to the noobs to take these posts with a grain of salt and if you want to try a stick that got trashed in this thread, go for it, it may end up being your favorite daily smoke!
The main reason I subscribed to this forum is because, unlike those other forums, people here don't dog and trash what others may like...I hope that doesn't change.
My :2 that I'll probably catch hell for...but hell's not such a bad place; I hear they let you smoke there!:fl

icehog3

01-17-2010, 11:01 PM

Wise words, Zulu. :tu

Smoke what you like, like what you smoke....your tastes are yours alone. :)

Jbailey

01-17-2010, 11:11 PM

Good post Zulu. Was thinking the same thing.

I've also had one bad smoke from a box of great ones, it's crazy how things go. I would never write off a single cigar from one bad experience. Also agree with personal taste. When I worked at a tobacco shop I enjoyed learning peoples pallets and suggesting cigars. The majority of the time I could hit the nail on the head but every now and again I would suggest a stick that someone didn't dig at all.

wayner123

01-18-2010, 09:09 AM

The main reason I subscribed to this forum is because, unlike those other forums, people here don't dog and trash what others may like...I hope that doesn't change.

Good points Zulu. I have always said smoke what you like and like what you smoke. (even after the Gurkha blind taste test debacle). However I think the portion of your above would be more aptly put to say:

People here don't trash the members themselves for liking certain cigars over others. I can trash a cigar all day long, but I wouldn't do the same to the person smoking it. To each their own. :ss

NCRadioMan

01-18-2010, 04:06 PM

...only to speak to the noobs to take these posts with a grain of salt

Well said, Zulu! I would also state the same for positive reviews of a cigars. One man's trash is another man's treasure and vise versa. Good thing there are so many to choose from. :D

Salvelinus

01-18-2010, 04:35 PM

For me I smoked a couple RP Olde World maduros that I really just didn't like. Also didn't like the RP sungrown, quit on my second one halfway through.

Surprised to see the Tabaco Baez SF mentioned. Was it really so bad that even $3 wasn't worth it?

csbrewfisher

01-18-2010, 04:43 PM

...I hope that those new to cigar smoking realize these posts are merely opinions and hope they do not influence new cigar enthusiasts from trying cigars that some here have trashed.

Not to mention that many of the cigars mentioned are not 2009 releases.

Doctorossi

01-18-2010, 04:59 PM

Also didn't like the RP sungrown

You are not alone.

Salvelinus

01-18-2010, 05:55 PM

Nice to hear. I read reviews of it after I tossed the second one and thought there might be something wrong with me. :D

Smokin Gator

01-18-2010, 06:02 PM

Also didn't like the RP sungrown

I don't like all of the RP Sungrowns but the petite corona is one of my favorites!!

akumushi

01-18-2010, 10:06 PM

I don't like all of the RP Sungrowns but the petite corona is one of my favorites!!

I had one of the lanceros that was pretty good.

bigheadmark

01-31-2010, 06:31 PM

Emjaysmash

01-31-2010, 07:04 PM

Cain Maduro, Consuegra #9

TheGentleman

01-31-2010, 07:28 PM

I had the same problem with the Pinars...very odd. They just wouldn't stay lit. My biggest disappointment was the Drac, however, I look forward to revisiting it next year.

kelmac07

01-31-2010, 08:09 PM

Cain Maduro, Consuegra #9

WOW MJ...I really dig the Cain Maduros.

ProBe

01-31-2010, 09:10 PM

Opus X

I 2nd that!!

Mr.Erskine

01-31-2010, 09:11 PM

I was, honestly, unimpressed by the Liga Privada No. 9.. I know that I am in a minority, here... but we all like something different

gbum

02-01-2010, 07:48 AM

nub connie just so so... but the habano is bluekh!.. give a try few times and end up with sour face... worst because i need to pay more for shipping than the cigar price itself...

G G

02-01-2010, 08:00 AM

I don't like all of the RP Sungrowns but the petite corona is one of my favorites!!
Love me some RP Sungrowns.:tu

issues

02-01-2010, 08:50 AM

Everything I had from Alec Bradley (Tempus, FB, Maxx) except for the Tempus Magistri Maduro.

Also the LGC Series R #7 Maduro was one of only 3 cigars I have ever put down early.

The other 2 were not smoked in 2009 so I will not include them.

sodomanaz

02-01-2010, 09:05 AM

alright, here it goes...
I purchased like 12 Pinar Del Rios from FSS over two months ago...they came in a sampler...there were exclusivos, Havana and Oscuro..
They were soaking wet when i got them, so I dry boxed for a few days, and smoked a few..most of which I ended up being tossed after less than an inch into the cigar..
So, I thought, "maybe they're still too wet" so i put the remainder in my humidor and let them sit for a couple months at 65% RH..
I tried smoking a Havana, actually two of them, and I swear, I thought that maybe the wrappers and binders were treated with a flame retardant!!
they would not burn! I had to touch them up about every two minutes...
The aroma was good, but they wouldn't burn...!!!
the oscuro had the same problems.
the exclusivo did not have the burn issues, but I rate that cigar as mediocre at best.

Haha, sounds like my issue too... Bought two fivers after hearing so much about them and the price was great at Famous... Had a great taste, just couldn't get the dumb wrapper to agree with me. Dryboxed one for a few days and it was a bit better, but still annoying. Months later after sitting, they're smoking ok. Got one left, but doubt I'll revisit once it is gone. Not a bad smoke at all if you can get it working right, though can't tell you when that will be!

Addiction

02-01-2010, 10:03 AM

Hmmm.

This will seem odd, because I gave this cigar a very high rating, like 9.3 if I remember.

However I would say the honor goes to the Cohiba Gran Reserva. I just don't get a $100 fresh cigar when I can get an aged OR Sig VI (assuming you can find them) or an aged Sig VI from the Cohiba X humi for a much much much cheaper price and be essentially smoking the same thing.

mithrilG60

02-01-2010, 10:20 AM

I just don't get a $100 fresh cigar when I can get an aged OR Sig VI (assuming you can find them) or an aged Sig VI from the Cohiba X humi for a much much much cheaper price and be essentially smoking the same thing.

Exclusivity and marketing to snob appeal, pure and simple. It's the same concept that drives super-car manufacturer's to produce hyper-car versions of their standard lines. A Reventon is just a Murciélago with a body kit, flat paint job and a trick digital dash yet Lamborghini priced it 4.5 times higher because of the extremely limited production.

There are a lot of people that buy into the marketing hype that surrounds brands like Cohiba, Opus X, Macallan, etc and will pay prices that are exorbitant compared to those products actual value just to have them. The Grand Reserva just takes it to a whole new level for Habanos SA. Interestingly enough, with the one exception of the 2003 LE Cohiba DC, I have yet to have one of these over-hyped products that even comes close to living up to it's billing.

Addiction

02-01-2010, 11:01 AM

......There are a lot of people that buy into the marketing hype that surrounds brands like Cohiba, Opus X, Macallan, etc and will pay prices that are exorbitant compared to those products actual value just to have them. The Grand Reserva just takes it to a whole new level for Habanos SA. Interestingly enough, with the one exception of the 2003 LE Cohiba DC, I have yet to have one of these over-hyped products that even comes close to living up to it's billing.

Actually I've had several of those things i think are worth it. I love all Cohibas and would say that certianly the Cohiba Middies, Reservas, DCs, Sublimes and Sublimes Extras are all worth the mark up. I'd even say that the Gran Reserva is worth some markup, just not the markup they are asking.

mithrilG60

02-01-2010, 11:25 AM

Fair enough. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that their bad smokes (Cohiba as a brand, not specifically the Grand Reserva), far from it. Just that in my experience I've found that they just aren't the be-all and end-all of cigars that popular culture holds them to be and just can't hold up to the hype. There are several cigars that I'd choose every time over every Cohiba except the 2003 DC LE, that's the great thing about personal tastes... they're different for everyone :D

Addiction

02-01-2010, 11:28 AM

Also as far as Opus X, I normally hate them all but the Lost City is an outstanding cigar!

And Macallan is pretty damn good scotch, tho I personally prefer JW Blue.

issues

02-01-2010, 11:35 AM

that's the great thing about personal tastes... they're different for everyone :D

That is something I love about this site!

I have yet to see anyone give another person grief for enjoying a cigar they can't stand, unlike some other sites I have lurked around.

There are cigars in this thread that people really dislike and I love. I'm sure it goes both ways...

Open minds go a long way to making a site comfortable and enjoyable for everyone. :tu

mithrilG60

02-01-2010, 12:01 PM

Also as far as Opus X, I normally hate them all but the Lost City is an outstanding cigar!

I've been highly underwhelmed by all the Opus X I've smoked. Admittedly that's been a small sampling but it's been enough to know that, at the price point they've set, I have no desire to continue trying to find one that's worth it.

And Macallan is pretty damn good scotch, tho I personally prefer JW Blue.

I've had some of expressions from Macallan's Fine Oak line that I quite liked but I've found that, IMHO, in general Macallan is very much like Cohiba: a decent middle of the road product that's been over-hyped for so long by the marketing Mad Men that it's acquired a cultural status and price point that's well out of touch with what it really deserves on merit alone. To me Glenfarclas is the benchmark for what a heavily sherried Speyside should be.

I've not had JW's Blue but as a general rule I don't usually pay much/any attention to blends. My all time favourite whisky is Longrow 14yr with Bowmore 15yr Mariner, Bowmore Dawn, Laphroaig 15yr and Glen Ord 12yr. Ardbeg 10 and Lagavulin 16 aren't too bad either ;)

Bubba - NJ

02-01-2010, 08:51 PM

What sucked the most for me was the Summer Salamon Sampler from CI . Good thing it was a gift . The Man O War , Patel , Caney and Africa were all horrible . Sitting on the others as time and temperature don't allow for such big smokes right now . Hopefully the Padilla's and Sol Cubano's redeem the sampler .

Goldie

02-01-2010, 09:34 PM

Some people might not agree with this, but I would have to say the LFD Salomon. I was disappointed, I hate to say.

neoflex

02-02-2010, 07:13 AM

I've been highly underwhelmed by all the Opus X I've smoked. Admittedly that's been a small sampling but it's been enough to know that, at the price point they've set, I have no desire to continue trying to find one that's worth it.

I felt the same way about Opus for a long time. Than I smoked an Opus that I let rest for 3 years because that's how disappointed I was the first couple times I smoked them that this other one in the humi just kept getting pushed to the back. I have to say that with some age on it, it was downright awesome. One of the best smokes I ever had. So for years I thought I was lucky in not having to chase down Opus' every year and pay the high price tag for them and than I smoked this aged stick and now I have a bunch sitting in the humi taking a long nap after being in the hunt for awhile. Fortunately, I still don't go nuts trying to find them as I have a hard time going crazy to pick something up knowing I will only stick it in the back of the humi to not be seen for a couple years.