Room ventilation recomendations

[popo212]

I am getting ready to convert a heated sun room to a cigar lounge. I want to put in some affordable ventilation in the ceiling. I was thinking about placing 2-3 low noie bath fans in the ceiling but figured some of you may have other recommendations. Windows and door open when warm but I am freezing here in Kansas with one window open and another with a fan. Also do the Czonkas really work.

Mike

[NCRadioMan]

Welcome. How many sq. ft. are you talking about?

If I could choose, I would choose a Smoke Eater. http://www.smokeeaters.org/residential/

[T.G]

I am getting ready to convert a heated sun room to a cigar lounge. I want to put in some affordable ventilation in the ceiling. I was thinking about placing 2-3 low noie bath fans in the ceiling but figured some of you may have other recommendations. Windows and door open when warm but I am freezing here in Kansas with one window open and another with a fan. Also do the Czonkas really work.

Mike

Csonskas work very well within the limitations of the device. They remove redsidual odors well via the generation of ozone, but they are not "smoke eaters", so you have to vent the excess smoke from the room beforehand, which the fart fans should do a sufficient job of for up to a couple of people smoking (2-3 ish), but you are going to lose some heated air via those fans.

[bobarian]

Csonka air purifiers "clean" the air by producing ozone. The will not eliminate smoke from the room. They are meant to be used after you are done smoking to help eliminate the residual odors. Ozone and live animals(including people) do not mix. http://www.epa.gov/iaq/pubs/ozonegen.html

Ventilation is the cheapest way of getting rid of smoke. The amount of ventilation you will need depends on the cubic footage of the room. I am not sure how you plan on installing standard bathroom fans in a sun room. Most bathroom fans are meant to be installed indoors and vented through the attic. They are not sealed units, so unless you have a crawlspace above the sun room, I am not sure they would be practical. An inline ventilation fan vented through the crawlspace would be a better choice. A commercial smoke eater is a good but expensive alternative and does require maintenance. :2:2

[Volt]

I smoke in a 16 x 14 shed with a few BOTLs from time to time (more as it gets colder). I can't see the bathroom fans pulling the smoke out. I have in each shed window a window fan unit, equivilent to 2 heavy duty bathroom fans in each window. Even with the tall ceiling they aren't quite sufficient. I will look up their cfm's in the book when I get home and post if it's there.

As my shed is heated with 2 space heaters, I understand the desire not to loose heat. It is a no win situation, your gonna lose heat to vent the smoke. You just need more heat than ventilation. I am going for a bigger circuit to the shed, a few 1500w heaters, and a better fan installed in the roof to pull the smoke out. Trying it on the "cheaper" route has just not done it for me.

Also need to bury a cable out to the shed for the mini tv :)

edit:
Woot!!!!!!!!!!! Post 2000 for me. I think I earned a smoke when I get home

[popo212]

Thanks so much for the info so far. A few clarifications are in order;
1. Not really a sun room but a room added on to the kitchen with heat, 5 windows, cealing and attic.
2. Has two heat vents and does not effect house temp if windows open, but does get cold if windows open
3. Understand Czonka uses and glad to know it works when not using room.
4. Room is 13x17x9, so my math says just under 2000 cubic feet.

[Parshooter]

Cheapest/easiest way is window fans and space heaters. Get the window fan with two fans built in. The window will shut flush to the top of the fan and it will have shutters on the sides to keep cold air out. With a room that size, you might need two of the fans. I used one fan in a 10 x 18 room and it worked great (til the condo Nazi said no window fans allowed).
If you go the ceiling mounted exhaust fan, you will probably need more sucking power than your average bathroom fan, and more than one of them would be optimal.

[Rabidsquirrel]

http://www.lowes.com/lowes/lkn?action=productDetail&productId=204319-14-QTR140&lpage=none

I'd do two or three of those, and have each hooked up in its own zone. You don't want to run all three if you don't have to, and one will turn over most of the room in 15 minutes. A bit pricey, but I'm sure you can find something cheaper.

I'd be worried about the sound levels generated by something any larger.

Here's something at 300 CFM:

http://www.rewci.com/300-cfm-deluxe-quiet-exhaust.html

Here's more:
http://www.rewci.com/dequexfa.html
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[popo212]

Thanks guys, you are helping me gain confidence in my decision as it matches or is close to your recomendations. Last night I didn't open the door or extra windows and used a round house fan out one window. The romm was rather taosty with a space heater and the smoke removal was pretty good (not great). I dual window fan and maybe 1 or two good ceiling vents will work wonders.

[CigarmanTim]

I am putting 2 of these in my 12 X 14 room.

http://www.homedepot.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?storeId=10051&langId=-1&catalogId=10053&productId=100076143&N=10000003+90034