Tiger woods hurt in Car Crash..

[iRiSh]

Professional golfer Tiger Woods was seriously injured in a car accident early this morning, the Florida Highway Patrol just reported.

Woods, 33, pulled out of his driveway in the Isleworth community about 2:25 a.m. when he struck a fire hydrant, and then drove into a tree at his neighbor's property, FHP reported.

Woods was transported to Health Central Hospital in Ocoee in serious condition, FHP said. No other information about his condition has been released.

A Health Central hospital employee said at 2:30 p.m. that Woods was not a patient. A hospital operator would not say if Woods had been treated and released.

FHP said the airbags in Woods' Cadillac Escalade did not deploy, which means the vehicle was traveling under 33 mph.

Orange County Fire Rescue received the call for aid at 2:28 a.m. Woods was transported from his Windermere-area neighborhood by the hospital's own ambulance.

FHP did not report the accident until just after 2 p.m. today. The agency said the crash remains under investigation and charges are pending.

[floydpink]

The hospital is near my house and apparantly they were keeping it quiet for a while. I hope he is ok

[icehog3]

MSN.com says it was NOT alcohol related. Good to hear it that's the fact. Hoping he is OK too.

[NCRadioMan]

MSN.com says it was NOT alcohol related. Good to hear it that's the fact. Hoping he is OK too.

All reports are saying that but something doesn't sound right about this, imo.

[icehog3]

All reports are saying that but something doesn't sound right about this, imo.

There does appear to be a lot of "secretism" so far, Greg.

[WyGuy]

No seat buckle?

[14holestogie]

MSN is reporting he is "fine" according to his agent.

Talk about your quick recovery.

[WyGuy]

MSN is reporting he is "fine" according to his agent.

Talk about your quick recovery.

Quick recovery indeed, "seriously" injured to fine in matter of minutes!

[iRiSh]

Quick recovery indeed, "seriously" injured to fine in matter of minutes!

yea its strange, how can you crash a escalade at 33mph and be seriously injuried, unless something came through the windscreen.

[Ahbroody]

All reports are saying that but something doesn't sound right about this, imo.

Hmmm all the people I have seen while working who hit a fire hydrant then a tree in the middle of the night were Duece. It takes a lot of effort for a sober person to manage that task. He likely had a few to many.
I am sure they will protect him though.

[Darrell]

I hope he is OK, however such an accident sounds like the result of a little bit too much to drink. :2

Pair that will Thanksgiving where people tend to overindulge in spirits with friends and family and it just does not add up. :2

[Ashcan Bill]

I don't think people usually pull out of their driveways early in the morning, proceed to hit a fire hydrant, and then plow into a tree. There has to be a little more to this story.

Sounds like he's okay according to recent reports, and that's the main thing.

[floydpink]

Just a hunch, but I have heard that off camera, Tiger has a pretty bad temper and maybe the 28 room house was too small for him and Ellen and he needed to get away and was taking out some aggression. Just a hunch..

I did see him once at my favorite English pub in Orlando with some Isleworth golf pros one night and he had no problem throwing back a few Vodka and cranberries but his celebrity wouldn't get him off a DUI if he was drunk.

He's also a regular at the Subway sub shop in Windermere, near his house but they wouldn't be open at 2am to fix him a 5 dollar footlong on Thanksgiving.

[Kreth]

I don't think people usually pull out of their driveways early in the morning, proceed to hit a fire hydrant, and then plow into a tree. There has to be a little more to this story.
Maybe he was heading out for some Black Friday shopping? :r
It does sound alcohol-related, but it could also be something like a gas pedal sticking.
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[pnoon]

but his celebrity wouldn't get him off a DUI if he was drunk.



I'll take that bet.

[Sauer Grapes]

Obviously this is total speculation... but why would they say charges were pending? Maybe he was drinking? Maybe there was a domestic before hand? Maybe something else? Seems weird to say charges pending instead of no charges pending at this time.

[NCRadioMan]

I'll take that bet.

Werd. Seen it happen too many times to think it couldn't happen.

[Kreth]

I'll take that bet.
:tpd: Paris Hilton did what, 45 minutes in jail for her 2nd DWI, and people *like* Tiger.
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[Sauer Grapes]

Maybe he took a few too many pain pills after his knee surgery and now takes one or two every once in a while?

[NCRadioMan]

Maybe he took a few too many pain pills after his knee surgery and now takes one or two every once in a while?

I was thinking the same thing. Plus, when mixed with just one drink it can amplify the effects of the meds greatly.

It's the secrecy of the whole thing that I don't like.

[pnoon]

I was thinking the same thing. Plus, when mixed with just one drink it can amplify the effects of the meds greatly.

It's the secrecy of the whole thing that I don't like.

The public will never hear the truth. Some serious spin doctoring will happen here.

[Sauer Grapes]

I'm afraid you are probably going to be proved correct, Peter.

While I disagree with money and power getting people special treatment, I'd like to think the amount of money he has would be enough to make it happen.

[pnoon]

I'm afraid you are probably going to be proved correct, Peter.

While I disagree with money and power getting people special treatment, I'd like to think the amount of money he has would be enough to make it happen.

Jeff's point about Paris Hilton is a perfect example.

[taltos]

I am going to take an opposite approach and suggest that he might have a problem with night vision especially if he does not drive much at night. At this time I can see no reason not to take the police at their word. He is too much of a corporate entity unto himself for him to take the risk of a dui. I hope that I am right.

[safariguy]

Is there a pool on when Sharpton will chime in on the Card factor?

[King James]

Although there are very good reasons to be skeptical, I'd like to believe it really isn't alcohol related...... not sure we will hear the truth though as others have said. Regardless of the situation, it will be a good thing if the ordeal ends with nobody being seriously hurt

Is there a pool on when Sharpton will chime in on the Card factor?

Not sure at all how this would apply? Racist fire hydrant?

[Sauer Grapes]

Jeff's point about Paris Hilton is a perfect example.

Exactly... I should have worded my post differently... I don't disagree it happens... I disagree that it's OK. (not saying you agree with it being OK, or anyone here for that matter).

[pnoon]

Is there a pool on when Sharpton will chime in on the Card factor?

Although there are very good reasons to be skeptical, I'd like to believe it really isn't alcohol related...... not sure we will hear the truth though as others have said. Regardless of the situation, it will be a good thing if the ordeal ends with nobody being seriously hurt



Not sure at all how this would apply? Racist fire hydrant?

I have no idea whether alcohol, painkillers, etc. were involved. All I am saying is that we'll never know the truth - especially if they were. I share the sentiment that I hope he is not seriously injured.

Has any of Sharpton's comments on anything ever applied? Given an opportunity to get some air time, you know he will be there. Why we give knuckleheads like him the time of day is beyond me.

[King James]

Has any of Sharpton's comments on anything ever applied? Given an opportunity to get some air time, you know he will be there. Why we give knuckleheads like him the time of day is beyond me.

true, I may be giving Sharpton too much credit that he wouldn't try to find something to get worked up about in any kind of a situation.

[safariguy]

true, I may be giving Sharpton too much credit that he wouldn't try to find something to get worked up about in any kind of a situation.

Yeah, that is all I meant is that he is a camera hog and tries to get in on everything.

[E.J.]

:tpd: Paris Hilton did what, 45 minutes in jail for her 2nd DWI, and people *like* Tiger.
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I have a friend that has relatively no money, has never spent a day in jail and has 2 DUI's.....

Money is power, but it also puts a spotlight on everything that happens around you. Dirt on celebrity is money, BIG MONEY. Especially if it is on someone as squeaky clean as T.W..... Doubt Tiger ran into a pole loaded, started promising millions to whoever would cover this up.....the line would GET LONG.....

In the end, if there is something sketchy involved, probably will come out. I ran into a barricade stone cold sober in the middle of the day, just wasn't paying attention and missed a turn.....(was looking at a BB Court that I was meeting friends at to see which court they were on)

Who knows, maybe Tiger was looking at some hottie running down his road, veered off and..... Maybe he reached down to grab his cell phone that dropped....

[King James]

Yeah, that is all I meant is that he is a camera hog and tries to get in on everything.

yup...wasn't a knock against you, just was like how the hell does he have anything to say about this...but again, giving him too much credit

[floydpink]

After an afternoon nap, and time to reflect on the developments, I have concluded that it is more than likely Tiger was headed to pick up fellow Isleworth resident Shaq and they were headed over to Walmart to brave the crowds for Black Friday.:D

[loki]

how do you even manage to do that...i'll calling bullshit

[Sauer Grapes]

Apparently there are reports Woods is having an affair... Makes me think more and more this could be domestic, or at least an argument that resulted in him storming off due to his temper.

[14holestogie]

Apparently there are reports Woods is having an affair... Makes me think more and more this could be domestic, or at least an argument that resulted in him storming off due to his temper.

If that's true, we might as well get this started.

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[Sauer Grapes]

TMZ reported he had taken prescription pain meds AND that his injuries were caused by his wife. Said his wife had confronted him about him possibly having an affair and that she scratched his face and then chased after him with a golf club apparently.

http://www.tmz.com/2009/11/28/tiger-woods-elin-nordegren-fight-accident-suv-lacerations/

[68TriShield]

If his Dad were still alive,he would not be a happy man.

You ask why? Because if it was booze or a alleged affair or whatever,Pop would have been disappointed in the boy. No if's and's or buts.

[ahc4353]

If that's true, we might as well get this started.

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Best post of the thread. :r. :r

Thanks for the smile Tim.

[taltos]

Glad that we are using TMZ as a reliable source. Another one reporting crap is the Enquirer. A man's lifetime of work and good deeds is thrown away because he and Elin might have had a fight? I remember when there were warnings from the mods about jumping to conclusions on an issue. Going back to being a hermit until this is resolved.

[NCRadioMan]

Glad that we are using TMZ as a reliable source. Another one reporting crap is the Enquirer. A man's lifetime of work and good deeds is thrown away because he and Elin might have had a fight? I remember when there were warnings from the mods about jumping to conclusions on an issue. Going back to being a hermit until this is resolved.
Whatever you may think of them, TMZ and the Enquirer has a record of breaking major stories that the regular media didn't touch. And yes, they have reported bogus stuff too, but so has "reputable" news outlets. And it's not just TMZ that is reporting it, the Police have come out and said as much about why they want to question the both of them.

[icehog3]

Glad that we are using TMZ as a reliable source. Another one reporting crap is the Enquirer. A man's lifetime of work and good deeds is thrown away because he and Elin might have had a fight? I remember when there were warnings from the mods about jumping to conclusions on an issue. Going back to being a hermit until this is resolved.

You know I love you much, Paul, but I don't agree that this is a Mod issue at this point. All the facts will come out I am sure, but people will speculate about celebrities, that is the nature of the beast.

[ahc4353]

If that's true, we might as well get this started.

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[tobii3]

dunno about you two, but if she chased him outta the house swinging a golf club at him, y'all can HAVE HER!!!!!!!

[14holestogie]

If that's true, we might as well get this started.

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HEY! No cuts! :r:r

[Tarks]

HEY! No cuts! :r:r

I'm in but I want to be first on the list! :)

[ucla695]

How ever the sticks may fall in this, I'd place money that it was related to a domestic dispute. Perhaps he fled as his wife was bashing his car with a golf club and he was paying more attention to her than the road. :confused:

[replicant_argent]

someone told his wife, if she is going to chase Tiger with a golf club, chase him with a 1 iron.


Because everyone knows anyone that is swinging a one iron is a dangerous MOFO.

[iRiSh]

is there any update state-side on tiger?

[floydpink]

someone told his wife, if she is going to chase Tiger with a golf club, chase him with a 1 iron.


Because everyone knows anyone that is swinging a one iron is a dangerous MOFO.


Ever since he has been 21, Tiger has been chased by people with golf clubs.

The guy is human and hopefully can catch a break. The helicopters have been buzzing over his neighborhood for 2 days now which, along with a damaged tree, must have him less than popular in Isleworth this week.

[dogface_313]

I will throw my thoughts in on this one as well.

I will start by saying I am biased. I am a huuuuuge Tiger fan, just wanted to put that out there.

However, at first I thought it must be Alcohol related. This had me very upset, DUI is a huge deal to me and he was immediately down a few points in my book. Glad to hear that the Police are saying it is not alcohol related. However, now that it is being said that it is a domestic issue that may result from infidelity on his part I am equally and maybe more perturbed.
I hope the allegations of infidelity are untrue, as well as domestic violence of any kind. As an avid golfer, and golf fan any mark on Tiger is bad for the sport. Think about the pre-Tiger era and how low key tourneys and the sport were in general. It is selfish on my part as a fan, but I hope some how Tiger is not to blame here.

[iRiSh]

I will throw my thoughts in on this one as well.

I will start by saying I am biased. I am a huuuuuge Tiger fan, just wanted to put that out there.

However, at first I thought it must be Alcohol related. This had me very upset, DUI is a huge deal to me and he was immediately down a few points in my book. Glad to hear that the Police are saying it is not alcohol related. However, now that it is being said that it is a domestic issue that may result from infidelity on his part I am equally and maybe more perturbed.
I hope the allegations of infidelity are untrue, as well as domestic violence of any kind. As an avid golfer, and golf fan any mark on Tiger is bad for the sport. Think about the pre-Tiger era and how low key tourneys and the sport were in general. It is selfish on my part as a fan, but I hope some how Tiger is not to blame here.

i agree, woods is a great pro. it will all come out in the wash what has happened. we'll just have to wait and see

[Ahbroody]

I will throw my thoughts in on this one as well.

I will start by saying I am biased. I am a huuuuuge Tiger fan, just wanted to put that out there.

However, at first I thought it must be Alcohol related. This had me very upset, DUI is a huge deal to me and he was immediately down a few points in my book. Glad to hear that the Police are saying it is not alcohol related. However, now that it is being said that it is a domestic issue that may result from infidelity on his part I am equally and maybe more perturbed.
I hope the allegations of infidelity are untrue, as well as domestic violence of any kind. As an avid golfer, and golf fan any mark on Tiger is bad for the sport. Think about the pre-Tiger era and how low key tourneys and the sport were in general. It is selfish on my part as a fan, but I hope some how Tiger is not to blame here.

I must have missed where the police are saying its not alcohol related. He is still refusing to meet with them. Cancelled three appointements with them.
http://sports.yahoo.com/golf/pga/news?slug=ap-woods-accident&prov=ap&type=lgns

“This situation is my fault, and it’s obviously embarrassing to my family and me,” Woods said. “I’m human and I’m not perfect. I will certainly make sure this doesn’t happen again.”

What would appear to be indications of drunk driving and repeated refusals to meet with Police to even discuss the matter? If he didnt live in the gated community he would have already talked to police. Like anyone else would have.

[Whee]

someone told his wife, if she is going to chase Tiger with a golf club, chase him with a 1 iron.


Because everyone knows anyone that is swinging a one iron is a dangerous MOFO.

I heard that if you are caught in a lightening storm on a course to hold a 1-iron aloft.
















Because even God can;t hit a 1-iron.:D

[dogface_313]

I must have missed where the police are saying its not alcohol related. He is still refusing to meet with them. Cancelled three appointements with them.
http://sports.yahoo.com/golf/pga/news?slug=ap-woods-accident&prov=ap&type=lgns

“This situation is my fault, and it’s obviously embarrassing to my family and me,” Woods said. “I’m human and I’m not perfect. I will certainly make sure this doesn’t happen again.”

What would appear to be indications of drunk driving and repeated refusals to meet with Police to even discuss the matter? If he didnt live in the gated community he would have already talked to police. Like anyone else would have.

They have said it is not alcohol related several times. He has no requirement to meet with them. It is being considered a traffic accident, in which case he only must provide Drivers license, Registration, and proof of insurance. Just because people are curious does not mean he has to provide anymore information that you would about your Private life.

[Ahbroody]

They have said it is not alcohol related several times. He has no requirement to meet with them. It is being considered a traffic accident, in which case he only must provide Drivers license, Registration, and proof of insurance. Just because people are curious does not mean he has to provide anymore information that you would about your Private life.

http://sports.yahoo.com/video/player/news/16864460

No. They said there were no indications at the time, but they also said he was lying in the street, they said he was mumbling but apparently it was not coherent, they said he did not say a word to the police. It doesnt sound as though they got to close at the time. This was private property. It sounds as though they have a private security force and the PD was just standing by at request.

Sorry because I am a cop I have a different view of the facts. I also know that in my state he would be required to provide more than what you have stated. Every officer I know would have conducted an invstigation at the time. This did not occur. I would have interviewed him and performed FSTS at the scene. I would have also had him submit to a breath test. If he refused at the scene he would have immediately lost his license for a year. As it appears he was mumbling and incoherent blood would have been drawn at the hospital. Most states have exactly the same laws as to driving and . Your statment about curious people is off base. The reason he has not subject to a police blood draw and investigation at the scene is because this occurred on private property. If this occurred on the street he would have been subject the the same standard YOU OR I would be subject to. My understanding is that his living in a private gated community has created a unique situation. Had this incident occurred outside the gated community this would have been investigated at the time.

[loki]

the flordia highway patrol now wants his medical records to see if a crime was committed prior to the accident.

[dogface_313]

We can go back and forth about this forever. All I am saying is that as a private Citizen he has the right to not give the Police any information in this instance. The Police also need probable cause to do a FST, just as they need probable cause for the Warrant they are now trying to get. Them being frustrated that he won’t speak to them is not probable cause. The police said they did not have probable cause to test for alcohol.
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/os-tiger-woods-interview-update-911-112909,0,233488.story
It happening on private property is irrelevant. It is possible to get a DUI while sleeping in your car in your own driveway which is certainly private property. There is probably a lot that we don’t know about this accident. What I am saying is that he is entitled to his privacy, just like I would want. Nobody was hurt, this had become far too big of an issue already.

[Cigary]

The real play by play is that Tiger hit a tree and then hit a fire hydrant but still managed to save par. Incredible!

[replicant_argent]

Remember folks, being an egomaniac, whether tactful, private, or in your definition of good taste, is not a crime either...:r
His vague evasions and the 3 "appointments" canceled with the po-po makes me laugh, and are almost as amusing as putting this guy who hits a ball with a stick for a living (no matter how well) on a pedestal and worshiping at the Altar of Tiger.

Yeah, he plays a great game of golf, he is a generous man with his time and the millions he has earned because people are willing to worship his prowess by purchasing products related to him.
That being said? In his press release saying "I am human" is even funnier, because that means, to me, that he is under the impression that some think he is superhuman, or a God.
I thought this was hilarious,
"If she wanted to help Tiger out of the car – even though it wasn’t on fire and waiting for the paramedics is generally the best policy – she could’ve just opened the door and pulled him out. Pictures of the SUV show minimal damage past the grille, not surprising since an Escalade is a massive vehicle. It’s highly unlikely the doors were wedged shut.

If the door was simply locked, she could’ve gone and gotten a spare set of keys and opened it. She could’ve done a million things.

What she claimed to police she did was go get a golf club and smash in both back windows of the SUV so she could, apparently, drag her unconscious 190-pound husband over a row of seats, shards of glass and out a window – a task best suited for a World’s Strongest Man competition. Even so, why the need to break windows on both sides?" (shamelessly stolen from a yahoo-sports"writer")
She had time to grab a golf club, but not a key?

[tobii3]

I've learned a LOT from this thread.

A) it's amazing what happens on a SLOW news day.

B) it's amazing how petty and pathetic people become when celebrities are in the headlines.

C) Some of you have obviously NEVER been married. :D

[Ahbroody]

You are right Dogface we could go round and round.
As a cop with more than a few years experience I have no intrest in debating probable cause with you. I will just say that here in California what Tiger did is more than enough probable cause. I have had two DUI arrests with similar facts. Basically Drunk guy hit a tree. Both were required to speak to me at the scene and both were convicted of DUI.

In California Tiger would have spoken to the police at the scene.

Tobii hows the view up there on that pedestal? :r
Its just a spirited discussion, some of us are just doing this for fun

OOO I will also say if he was not DUI, then likely that crazy bish was trying to brain him with a club. Looks like she almost accomplished her job. Kinda wonder if she didnt whoop that ass in the house and he was trying to get away from her when he crashed. I am not a golf guy. I just think this is all good fun.

[dogface_313]

If my wife trys to hit me with a club, I hope she keeps the club head cover on it.

[tobii3]

Tobii hows the view up there on that pedestal? :r


I don't know!! I keep falling off the damn thing!!!

Can someone PLEASE build a ramp for my walker???

[Parshooter]

My question is: Why, after hitting the fire hydrant, would he continue on and hit a tree?

[tobii3]

Golf ball dynamics....it NEVER hits the rough and comes back out....it only goes DEEPER into the rough!!!!

[replicant_argent]

I don't know!! I keep falling off the damn thing!!!

Can someone PLEASE build a ramp for my walker???

what, you don't have a 2x2 Segway?:tf

[jmsremax]

My question is: Why, after hitting the fire hydrant, would he continue on and hit a tree?

Easy....his wife kept chasing him with an iron. Oh man this story cracks me up. I waiting to see if anything else ever emerges.

[Montano]

All the damage to his face was from his wife hitting him with a 9 iron !

His air bags never went off and no windows broke, till his wife caught up to him :D

[Cigary]

All the damage to his face was from his wife hitting him with a 9 iron !

His air bags never went off and no windows broke, till his wife caught up to him :D

Love the Avatar!

[floydpink]

My question is: Why, after hitting the fire hydrant, would he continue on and hit a tree?

It was reveled today that Tiger was listening to Lynyrd Skynyrd on the classic rock station.

"That Smell" came on, and they said, "whiskey bottle, brand new car, oak tree you're in my way."

[Blueface]

Looks like Tiger got caught being naughty.
That tape released today is damning.
While infidelity is too widespread today and should not be tolerable, the guy is human and if famous preachers can do it and be forgiven, I am sure all will get over it with Tiger also.

[kydsid]

Quick: Whats the difference between a car and a golf ball?


Tiger can drive a golf ball 400 yards!

[MarkinAZ]

Looks like Tiger got caught being naughty.

That appears to be the word on the street at this time and unfortunate for the Woods family.

In todays electronic age of voice mails, texting, cell phone imaging, etc., its kind of hard to keep certain issues secret.

Why get married if you still have wild oats hanging around you know:)

[14holestogie]

My offer to Elin still stands. :)

[replicant_argent]

Looks like Tiger got caught being naughty.
That tape released today is damning.
While infidelity is too widespread today and should not be tolerable, the guy is human and if famous preachers can do it and be forgiven, I am sure all will get over it with Tiger also.

Well, Heck, Carlos, sometimes even Presidents do it! After a while, enough "role models" will caught out and we will think that it is OK, no need for forgiveness when it becomes the norm. :D ;)

[MarkinAZ]

My offer to Elin still stands. :)

Yeah, where did that list get off to anyways Tim;)

[Blueface]

Yeah, where did that list get off to anyways Tim;)




I have it.
I figured if I hold onto it, I can always say I was next, after I doctor it up a bit.:D

[14holestogie]

I have it.
I figured if I hold onto it, I can always say I was next, after I doctor it up a bit.:D

Et tu, Brutus? I think I'm about 12th on my own list. :r

[Blueface]

Isn't it amazing?
His wife is hot.
Why cheat? (Well, I guess if the next one is hot too, then that is two hot ones)

Sort of like the idiots married to Halle Berry. A woman most men lust for. Beauty beyond description. First husband beat her, second husband cheats on her.

Hard to phantom.

[Starscream]

It was reveled today that Tiger was listening to Lynyrd Skynyrd on the classic rock station.

"That Smell" came on, and they said, "whiskey bottle, brand new car, oak tree you're in my way."
:r:r


Looks like Tiger got caught being naughty.
That tape released today is damning.
While infidelity is too widespread today and should not be tolerable, the guy is human and if famous preachers can do it and be forgiven, I am sure all will get over it with Tiger also.
:tpd:


Well, Heck, Carlos, sometimes even Presidents do it! After a while, enough "role models" will caught out and we will think that it is OK, no need for forgiveness when it becomes the norm.

That's what's wrong with our society in this age. $h!t happens, and all people make mistakes, but when the media has to snoop around on ALL celebrities and see their mistakes, then everyone will think that it's OK for anybody to get away with it. Kind of like the old saying, "if everyone else jumped off a bridge, would you do it too?". I'm not trying to crucify Tiger, Clinton, or any other celebrity. Their personal life is their own and it is sad that EVERYONE has to know what goes on in it. That's why I couldn't be a celebrity; I'd beat the $h!t out of all the people who try to pry into my life.

[kelmac07]

Sorry guys...I couldn't resist when I saw this...

http://i672.photobucket.com/albums/vv82/kelmac07_photo/Tiger.jpg

[Blueface]

Sorry guys...I couldn't resist when I saw this...

http://i672.photobucket.com/albums/vv82/kelmac07_photo/Tiger.jpg

That is funny stuff.

[mrreindeer]

OH hell yes: http://www.break.com/games/tiger-woods-wife-outrun.html

[mrreindeer]

did u hear tiger changed his name?

[iRiSh]

did u hear tiger changed his name?

to what?

[mrreindeer]

Cheetah!

[Blueface]

OH hell yes: http://www.break.com/games/tiger-woods-wife-outrun.html

Too funny.
I purposely hit things to see what would happen. Boy does she beat the crap out of him.:r

[mrreindeer]

:D

[iRiSh]

Cheetah!

i should have seen that comming bud!
good one:tu

[tobii3]

That's what's wrong with our society in this age. $h!t happens, and all people make mistakes

Now that we view infidelity as only a "mistake" it makes it much easier for everyone to do and accept. Disgusting.

Pretty sad state of affairs when NOTHING is sacred anymore.

[Ashcan Bill]

I blame his link to Nike for the whole ugly affair.

He apparently took their "Just Do It" recommendation a little too literally.

[coastietech]

Now that we view infidelity as only a "mistake" it makes it much easier for everyone to do and accept. Disgusting.

Pretty sad state of affairs when NOTHING is sacred anymore.

Umm no offense but infidelity has been around for as long as marriage has and has often been looked at the same way it is today.

I tend to laugh when people make it sound like our state of affairs today is worse than it was during any other part of history.

Here's a good quote for you...

"What is happening to our young people? They disrespect their elders, they disobey their parents. They ignore the law. They riot in the streets inflamed with wild notions. Their morals are decaying. What is to become of them?"



































Just for the record that was a quote by Plato... Sounds like something you would here some old guy now a days say right.

My point is the same things that happen today, happened yesterday, last year, last decade, and last century.

[tobii3]

Define ""sexual relations""

President Bill Clinton.

Funny you take the approach of ""It's not OUR fault, it's been happening since....." Just like everyone else who refuses to take RESPONSIBLITY for their actions....it's never THEIR fault, of course!!

""But Joey did it!! Why am I being punished??""

Personal Responsibility has been thrown out.

This is what’s wrong with our society. We’ve become a people that hold everyone responsible, but ourselves.

In the words of Herbert Spencer -

The ultimate result of shielding men from the effects of folly is to fill the world with fools.

[coastietech]

Define ""sexual relations""

President Bill Clinton.

Funny you take the approach of ""It's not OUR fault, it's been happening since....." Just like everyone else who refuses to take RESPONSIBLITY for their actions....it's never THEIR fault, of course!!

""But Joey did it!! Why am I being punished??""

Personal Responsibility has been thrown out.

This is what’s wrong with our society. We’ve become a people that hold everyone responsible, but ourselves.

In the words of Herbert Spencer -

The ultimate result of shielding men from the effects of folly is to fill the world with fools.

Haha talk about a red herring... I never said anything about responsibility or people not taking it. I wasn't making an excuse for Tiger. I was responding to your post about society being different now a days because a marriage isn't sacred. Here read my post again...

Umm no offense but infidelity has been around for as long as marriage has and has often been looked at the same way it is today.

I tend to laugh when people make it sound like our state of affairs today is worse than it was during any other part of history.

Here's a good quote for you...

"What is happening to our young people? They disrespect their elders, they disobey their parents. They ignore the law. They riot in the streets inflamed with wild notions. Their morals are decaying. What is to become of them?"

Just for the record that was a quote by Plato... Sounds like something you would here some old guy now a days say right.

My point is the same things that happen today, happened yesterday, last year, last decade, and last century.

Now that you've done that I will pick apart your above argument. Glad you brought up Bill Clinton. He took more responsibility for what he did then Kennedy did with Marilyn. So I guess that's a perfect example of how our society is going backwards right? The only difference in society now and 10 years ago, 100 years ago, 1000 years ago is the amount of information that is present and available and the fact that we become more civilized as a people. It's no longer acceptable to chop off an adulterers head. Doesn't mean there is a lack of responsibility. Tiger took responsibility he admitted he what he did. He risks losing his marriage, more money then you and I will ever see, and he risks losing the ability to see his kids everyday. How much more responsibility would you like him to take? He risked losing more than Paris risked when he took Helen of Troy. Hell he didn't even fight his own battle for her. Haven't you seen the movie? :r :r

My point, that you failed to see, was this... Society is exactly the same as it was in any other point in history. There has always been murder, rape, adultery, and ever other crime. Stats actually show that we are better as an American society than we have ever been. Your "Leave it to Beaver" society is and was a farce. The only difference between that era and this one is and was the ability or lack thereof to get information widely disseminated.

I've had this argument with many other people and no offense to you or your "debating skills", the facts and history is on my side. Pull out all the quotes you want, I can pull just as many if not more. We as a society are the same as we have always been no better and no worse.

[tobii3]

http://www.bsos.umd.edu/socy/vanneman/socy441/trends/divorce.jpg

You're right Coastie.....nothing has changed.

:rolleyes:

always great to debate with ya, bro!!!

[Commander Quan]

Q: What do Tiger Woods and baby seals have in common?

A: They both get clubbed by Scandinavians. :r:r:r

[tobii3]

heard on the radio -

Now Showing!!

Crouching Tiger, Hidden Hydrant.....:D

[Sauer Grapes]

Glad that we are using TMZ as a reliable source. Another one reporting crap is the Enquirer. A man's lifetime of work and good deeds is thrown away because he and Elin might have had a fight? I remember when there were warnings from the mods about jumping to conclusions on an issue. Going back to being a hermit until this is resolved.

I should apologize for posting the link to an obvious tabloid site that was just spreading untrue and hurtful rumors. :r I kid.

Anyway, it pretty much looks like this is starting to get resolved, so you are welcome to come back out into the open now!

Obviously, anything on TMZ needs to be taken with a grain of salt, but they're accuracy is pretty darn good now. Now, I'd be the first to admit that TMZ is bad for the world and that they do far more harm than good on average.

[coastietech]

http://www.bsos.umd.edu/socy/vanneman/socy441/trends/divorce.jpg

You're right Coastie.....nothing has changed.

:rolleyes:

always great to debate with ya, bro!!!

What that chart doesn't show is the amount of couples that stayed together and slept in different rooms or took up cheating because they were so miserable. The divorce rate chart is like that simply because during those times divorces were harder to get and often times not granted unless there was infidelity or physical abuse and often times even then it wasn't granted because women weren't afforded equal rights.

Divorce rates didn't increase because more people starting getting unhappy or giving up, divorce rates soared because women started breaking out of their roles. It soared because courts started making it easier to get a divorce.

A chart can be made to make any point, but if you don't know the history behind the numbers or you don't know the reasons behind it then it's just a chart and nothing more.

I can show you charts that show crime has gone down drastically in areas around the country. What those charts don't show is that certain crimes have been removed from the report when they were being reported year before, or that if the criminals weren't convicted the arrest doesn't count towards the crime rate like it did before.

So if that's the only "proof" you have then you've got a lot of ground to make up. :tu

[replicant_argent]

I can show you charts that show crime has gone down drastically in areas around the country. What those charts don't show is that certain crimes have been removed from the report when they were being reported year before, or that if the criminals weren't convicted the arrest doesn't count towards the crime rate like it did before.

So if that's the only "proof" you have then you've got a lot of ground to make up. :tu
And I bet I can find charts that have a strange correlation of crime rates dropping and a growing percentage of CCWS. But you would probably dismiss that immediately.

The bolded is just more baiting.

[pnoon]

This has turned from a discussion of the Tiger Woods issue to an argument that, IMO, will never be resolved.

So, if anyone has a reason to keep this thread open for valuable discussion, PM me and we can talk about it.