Connecticut Wrap's

[Red]

Im not big on connies at all, i like the full strength smokes 90% of the time.
However there is a time and place for something lighter and i have found some connies that i really enjoy, so if your a full on power head, but looking for something less for the AM or those times when you just need something lighter, i reccomend these:

601 black
Camacho Connecticut
Tabacos Baez


anyone else like the strong stuff and discovered any other connies that i or anyone else may like ? Please fill me in...

[Red]

this thread is going great! LOL

[Red]

i fell like i farted in church here with this one :)

[NCRadioMan]

601 black




The 601 Black is not a mild cigar by any means. The 601's all have the same filler but have a different wrapper.

The palate is freshest in the morning so I tend to smoke my favorite, no matter what the strength.

[Red]

The 601 Black is not a mild cigar by any means. The 601's all have the same filler but have a different wrapper.

The palate is freshest in the morning so I tend to smoke my favorite, no matter what the strength.

i think they are mild, i know that everyone does not...im just used to smoking power house sticks almost everytime i smoke...such as LFDs or the 601 green etc...

[pinotguy]

Not sure if they're available anymore but the Cuban Diplomat was always a nice Conn. Shade wrapped smoke. These are/were a house blend for Phatash/Cigar King made by Pepin. Kind of similar to the 601's in that it used the same blend as the Havana Soul but the cover leaf was different.

[elderboy02]

My favorite Connecticut is the Oliva Connecticut lonsdale. I didn't like the bigger RG Oliva Connecticut's, but the lonsdale is extremely good. I only have half a box left.

[e-man67]

Perdomo 91 vintage ESV conny is very very good!

[NCRadioMan]

601 green etc...
But the only difference is the green and black is the wrapper. The wrapper can't magically make the blend mild. :confused:

[BlackIrish]

Im not big on connies at all, i like the full strength smokes 90% of the time.
However there is a time and place for something lighter and i have found some connies that i really enjoy, so if your a full on power head, but looking for something less for the AM or those times when you just need something lighter, i reccomend these:

601 black
Camacho Connecticut
Tabacos Baez


anyone else like the strong stuff and discovered any other connies that i or anyone else may like ? Please fill me in...

Pinar del Rio Clasico

:tu

[BlackIrish]

Perdomo 91 vintage ESV conny is very very good!

:tpd:

[Red]

But the only difference is the green and black is the wrapper. The wrapper can't magically make the blend mild. :confused:

the blend is mild to start with....those cigars where designed to show case the wrappers...so yes the wrappers do determine the majoirty of that cigars flavor.... And im not saying its super mild..other wise i would not like it at all...but the wrapper does make a huge differnce on those cigars..they green label is fuuuuckn spicey as they get..the connie has some pepper true..but no where near the oscuro

[JJG]

I think the 601 blacks are excellent. mild enough to nose inhale all day long but still very full flavored.

[VirtualSmitty]

the blend is mild to start with....those cigars where designed to show case the wrappers...so yes the wrappers do determine the majoirty of that cigars flavor.... And im not saying its super mild..other wise i would not like it at all...but the wrapper does make a huge differnce on those cigars..they green label is fuuuuckn spicey as they get..the connie has some pepper true..but no where near the oscuro

That's very debatable.

[Red]

That's very debatable.

so is gravity , but its still there

[VirtualSmitty]

so is gravity , but its still there

LoL! Just to break things down, the 601 blends in general aren't mild by any means (compared to Davis, Mac etc), none of them come in a ring lower than 50 to my knowledge (so your not tasting as much of the wrapper as you think), and no the wrappers do not make up the majority of the cigars flavor (the filler does that) :tu

[poriggity]

Red, you are a clown. My favorite Connectictuts:
Camacho
601 Black
Oliva Connecticut
Nub Connecticut

Scott

[Scottw]

Zino platinum shorty
Cusano Double 18 Connecticut.

That about the only CT wrappers I smoke these days

[JJG]

I have to agree that the wrapper doesn't really add anything to the strength or fullness of flavor. On the other hand, it's hard for me to believe that the green and black are the same blend aside from the wrapper. The greens and reds are just sooo strong and the blacks are incredibly smooth.

[Scottw]

I have to agree that the wrapper doesn't really add anything to the strength or fullness of flavor. On the other hand, it's hard for me to believe that the green and black are the same blend aside from the wrapper. The greens and reds are just sooo strong and the blacks are incredibly smooth.


I disagree unless you are speaking of this cigar specifically as I have never tried these sticks. The flavor in a cigar comes from the wrapper undoubtedly. Not saying if the binder and filler are **** and the wrapper is good that you will have a great cigar but the wrapper is key in the cigar.

[NCRadioMan]

I disagree unless you are speaking of this cigar specifically as I have never tried these sticks. The flavor in a cigar comes from the wrapper undoubtedly. Not saying if the binder and filler are **** and the wrapper is good that you will have a great cigar but the wrapper is key in the cigar.

I would disagree. I've smoked the same cigar (robusto) with and without a wrapper and it tasted the same. The blend is where the flavor comes from. Otherwise, you could just throw a bunch of leaves together without a thought and wrap it with a specific wrapper. But if you did that, it wouldn't taste too good.

[VirtualSmitty]

I disagree unless you are speaking of this cigar specifically as I have never tried these sticks. The flavor in a cigar comes from the wrapper undoubtedly. Not saying if the binder and filler are **** and the wrapper is good that you will have a great cigar but the wrapper is key in the cigar.

Really? How do explain the first gen H2000 leaf then? The wrappers were horrible, burned horrible, but the cigars still tasted pretty good. I'm also curious why you feel one leaf is more flavorful than the several that make up the filler :confused:

[sofaman]

The only connie wrapped smoke I realy enjoy is the 601 Black:tu

[Scottw]

Really? How do explain the first gen H2000 leaf then? The wrappers were horrible, burned horrible, but the cigars still tasted pretty good. I'm also curious why you feel one leaf is more flavorful than the several that make up the filler :confused:

What cigar are you referring to? I haven't had many H2000 Wrappers so I won't try to explain what I don't know much about but read the second part of my post. I am not saying that a good wrapper with a **** binder and filler would be good but to say that no flavor is imparted by the wrapper to me (not a pro mind you) is incorrect. Are you talking about the H2000 used in some Gurkha

[Red]

the wrapper makes a HUGE difference plain and simple

grab a 601 , red, blue, green and black....

smoke the black..then smoke the green right after it...its a world of difference
then
smoke the red then the blue...also a world of difference..

put it to the test

[pnoon]

the wrapper makes a HUGE difference plain and simple

grab a 601 , red, blue, green and black....

smoke the black..then smoke the green right after it...its a world of difference
then
smoke the red then the blue...also a world of difference..

put it to the test

I guess the debate is over. Plain and simple. :rolleyes:

[jerseystepup]

Do you guys like to keep your 601 blacks in the cello or take them out? what about the greens??? :hn

[bookman]

I'm a big fan of Don Diego and there is nothing wrong with liking a good connecticut shade (unless it's a Mac)!

[VirtualSmitty]

I guess the debate is over. Plain and simple. :rolleyes:

Indeed Peter. A newbie with that kind of conviction couldn't possibly be wrong :rolleyes:

[Red]

im only a newbie here, not to cigars :) hey...do you guys rotate your cigars...and how do i season a humidor...and what are beads...are matches or torches better?

[Red]

its like with doritos...the cool ranch and nacho cheese are the same chip...but the spices and flavors dont make a difference..they both still taste the same

[karmaz00]

cello on or off

[Tarks]

Indeed Peter. A newbie with that kind of conviction couldn't possibly be wrong :rolleyes:

Trust me, Red is no noob. You probably won't believe me cause I'm a noob too.

[karmaz00]

ill take reds back as well....deffintly no newb

[PV1191]

I like the Doritos without the bag. They all taste the same! You can mix the Nacho cheese with the Black pepper and you can't tell what is what. I also like to take the wrappers off of Twinkies and Ho Ho's and try to guess what is what.

[Tarks]

lol

[karmaz00]

thats awesome

[SmoknTaz]

What aboot the DPG Fumadores?

[PV1191]

What aboot the DPG Fumadores?

Take the wrapper off and it tastes just like an OpusX

[Tarks]

I like to cut them in half and smoke them. Makes no difference. 2 for 1!

[Red]

I like the Doritos without the bag. They all taste the same! You can mix the Nacho cheese with the Black pepper and you can't tell what is what. I also like to take the wrappers off of Twinkies and Ho Ho's and try to guess what is what.

i used to buy ham and turkey for my sandwich's but now i just get whatevers cheapest, because once i put the bread and mayo on there it all tastes the same and cant tell what is what....i think its all a gimmic..stoopid sandwich and snack noobs will never learn!

[SmoknTaz]

I like to cut them in half and smoke them. Makes no difference. 2 for 1!
That's cause you're a cheap Canadian! :r

[PV1191]

i used to buy ham and turkey for my sandwich's but now i just get whatevers cheapest, because once i put the bread and mayo on there it all tastes the same and cant tell what is what....i think its all a gimmic..stoopid sandwich and snack noobs will never learn!

It all tastes like chicken

[SmoknTaz]

i used to buy ham and turkey for my sandwich's but now i just get whatevers cheapest, because once i put the bread and mayo on there it all tastes the same and cant tell what is what....i think its all a gimmic..stoopid sandwich and snack noobs will never learn!
What kind of bread do you use, it would make a HUGE difference IMHO!

[Red]

do you guys think white and wheat bread is a scam too ? i mean its all the same thing just completey different...a ham sandwich is a ham sandwich , wether its italian...french...white...wheat....whatever,, i take all my bread out of the bag when i buy it and store in the bread box at about 65% humidity...perfect that way!

[Tarks]

Once I ate a sandwich without the bread...and compared it to one with the bread. All tasted the same.

[karmaz00]

agree...maybe because your a newb. try dry boxing my bread

[SmoknTaz]

Once I ate a sandwich without the bread...and compared it to one with the bread. All tasted the same.
Try it with Winnipeg rye!

[PV1191]

do you guys think white and wheat bread is a scam too ? i mean its all the same thing just completey different...a ham sandwich is a ham sandwich , wether its italian...french...white...wheat....whatever

Why are you trippin on the bread? It all tastes
like chicken

[Tarks]

Chicken of the sea?

[PV1191]

Chicken motherF'er.....DO YOU SPEAK IT?

[SmoknTaz]

Why are you trippin on the bread? It all tastes
like chicken
What's with the chicken?

[Tarks]

Sometimes I choke it!

[Red]

Once I ate a sandwich without the bread...and compared it to one with the bread. All tasted the same.

exactly! you dont even need bread!! just the filler and binder :)

[Tarks]

agree...maybe because your a newb. try dry boxing my bread

Thanks, I learned something tonight.

[PV1191]

Sometimes I choke it!


My chicken likes that!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!OOOOOOHHHHHH.....YYYEEEAAAHHH HHHH:banger

[Red]

Thanks, I learned something tonight.

do you find any differnce in pepperoni and sausage pizza ? im still having a hard time distiguishing which is which

[SmoknTaz]

do you find any differnce in pepperoni and sausage pizza ? im still having a hard time distiguishing which is which
Can't help you out there Chad, I hate pizza!

[PV1191]

I will say it again....CHICKEN MOTHER F'er............DO YOU SPEAK IT!

[Red]

Once I ate a sandwich without the bread...and compared it to one with the bread. All tasted the same.
just tried this, and your right....BREAD IS A SCAM!!!!!! you dont even need it...its not like you can just add bread and magically you have a better sandwich...what is up with that..im suing wonder bread!!!
I will say it again....CHICKEN MOTHER F'er............DO YOU SPEAK IT!
BOK BOK?

[PV1191]

The 601 Black is not a mild cigar by any means. The 601's all have the same filler but have a different wrapper.

The palate is freshest in the morning so I tend to smoke my favorite, no matter what the strength.

But the only difference is the green and black is the wrapper. The wrapper can't magically make the blend mild. :confused:

I would disagree. I've smoked the same cigar (robusto) with and without a wrapper and it tasted the same. The blend is where the flavor comes from. Otherwise, you could just throw a bunch of leaves together without a thought and wrap it with a specific wrapper. But if you did that, it wouldn't taste too good.



Sooooo....I'm confused............in your opinion does the wrapper make a difference?....or does it all taste like chicken?

[Tarks]

I'm going to try wrapping the green with chicken skin and see if that makes a difference.

[Red]

Sooooo....I'm confused............in your opinion does the wrapper make a difference?....or does it all taste like chicken?

i think hes saying the wrapper only matters if its marinated in chicken...other wise all the 601s taste exactly the same...and sees no reason for them to make them in all the wrapper variety...i could be wrong..just a noob guess here....

[SmoknTaz]

I'm going to try wrapping the green with chicken skin and see if that makes a difference.
So would it be fair to say that it will have an oily wrapper?

[Tarks]

So would it be fair to say that it will have an oily wrapper?

Oily yes, toothy no.

[PV1191]

I'm going to try wrapping the green with chicken skin and see if that makes a difference.

Make sure the wrapper is fried crispy, so it's nice and oily!

[Red]

So would it be fair to say that it will have an oily wrapper?

what % of the flavor does mustard make up on a sandwich..or should i just eat it without mustard cuz it tastes the same ?

[SmoknTaz]

Make sure the wrapper is fried crispy, so it's nice and oily!
nom nom, sounds like a winner here! :dr

[Red]

Make sure the wrapper is fried crispy, so it's nice and oily!

ok im going to take the wrapper off my 601 black...fry some chicken skin and re-wrap with that and see if it makes a difference...ill put up a review as soon as possible:banger

[Tarks]

ok im going to take the wrapper off my 601 black...fry some chicken skin and re-wrap with that and see if it makes a difference...ill put up a review as soon as possible:banger

Sweet. I'm thinking this thread deserves to be a sticky.

[PV1191]

what % of the flavor does mustard make up on a sandwich..or should i just eat it without mustard cuz it tastes the same ?

Mustard is like the filler. You could put a gallon on there and not notice. Oh wait.....it is the wrapper......****.......I don't know any more.....just give me some F'n chicken

[Tarks]

cluck cluck.

[SmoknTaz]

Mustard is like the filler. You could put a gallon on there and not notice. Oh wait.....it is the wrapper......****.......I don't know any more.....just give me some F'n chicken
KFC, Churches or Popeye? Either way, you're making me hungry with all this chicken talk!

[Red]

Sweet. I'm thinking this thread deserves to be a sticky.

definitly , ive leared alot today..everything tastes like chicken regardless of the seasoning or orgin .... people smoke cigars with the wrapers off... canadians cut there cigars in half vertically and they burn perfect

[PV1191]

KFC all the way!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Red]

KFC all the way!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

it dosent matter..chicken is chicken

[SmoknTaz]

it dosent matter..chicken is chicken
Unless it's not chicken! Meowwwwwwwwww . . . .

[PV1191]

definitly , ive leared alot today..everything tastes like chicken regardless of the seasoning or orgin .... people smoke cigars with the wrapers off... canadians cut there cigars in half vertically and they burn perfect

4 min from when you left chat............Right on time!!!!!!

[Tarks]

Damn you Canasians!

[Red]

Unless it's not chicken! Meowwwwwwwwww . . . .

you canasians have unknown sources of meat!!! thats a whole new sticky tho

[SmoknTaz]

you canasians have unknown sources of meat!!! thats a whole new sticky tho
Not me bro, I like real chicken! Churches all the way!

[PV1191]

you canasians have unknown sources of meat!!! thats a whole new sticky tho

Do I need lock up my pets?

[SmoknTaz]

Do I need lock up my pets?
Do you have a dog? Woof!

[PV1191]

Do you have a dog? Woof!


Yes! and one just lost an eye in an unfortunate rose bush accident. Want some fresh meat?

[itsme_timd]

Red, you have no idea what you are talking about.

If you think you know so much about sandwiches I'd like to send you some for a blind review. It will be a mix of sandwiches from Subway, Quizno's and Firehouse.

I'll send you 10 sandwiches and if you get more than HALF right then I'll know you know your stuff.

Oh, and to make sure you don't cheat I'm going to cut the crusts off before I send them to you.

[PV1191]

Red, you have no idea what you are talking about.

If you think you know so much about sandwiches I'd like to send you some for a blind review. It will be a mix of sandwiches from Subway, Quizno's and Firehouse.

I'll send you 10 sandwiches and if you get more than HALF right then I'll know you know your stuff.

Oh, and to make sure you don't cheat I'm going to cut the crusts off before I send them to you.

Don't listen to him Red. You might SHART after one of those sandwiches. Keep flying the chicken flag Bro!

[NCRadioMan]

Sooooo....I'm confused............in your opinion does the wrapper make a difference?....or does it all taste like chicken?
Yes, the wrapper can make a slight difference in taste (50rg and under) but not strength. And for the record, I don' think the 601 green isn't that spicy as compared to the corojo Red 601. A little more rich with the oscuro than anything. It's that subjective and taste thing. That's just my opinion after being in the industry for 3 years.

Sorry to interrupt your very informative sandwich/chicken banter. :rolleyes:

[Red]

sYes, the wrapper can make a slight difference in taste (50rg and under) but not strength. And for the record, I don' think the 601 green isn't that spicy as compared to the corojo Red 601. A little more rich with the oscuro than anything. It's that subjective and taste thing. That's just my opinion after being in the industry for 3 years.

Sorry to interrupt your very informative sandwich/chicken banter. :rolleyes:

Ohhhhhhhh three years in "the industry" I bow down to your status and long jevity . I'm just a noob that is suckered by "the industry". If your part of the game you must be more intelligent and advanced than me...just a regular ol everyday stupid consumer

[Red]

Red, you have no idea what you are talking about.

If you think you know so much about sandwiches I'd like to send you some for a blind review. It will be a mix of sandwiches from Subway, Quizno's and Firehouse.

I'll send you 10 sandwiches and if you get more than HALF right then I'll know you know your stuff.

Oh, and to make sure you don't cheat I'm going to cut the crusts off before I send them to you.

Are you going to number the crusts and send the crust in a separate envelope so I can tell what they are afterwords?

[Paint]

I like cigars and the 601's rock.I like em all.

[Red]

I like cigars and the 601's rock.I like em all.

why wouldnt yah..they all taste the exact same, unless they are robusto ?

[Paint]

why wouldnt yah..they all taste the exact same, unless they are robusto ?

Yes i forgot,my bad.I have been in the consumer end of cigars for about 8 years ,so please excuse my ignorance.;s

[Red]

Yes i forgot,my bad.I have been in the consumer end of cigars for about 8 years ,so please excuse my ignorance.;s

noob! but with that kind of conviction you couldnt possibly be wrong...i think ive heard that somewhere before...:confused::confused:

[VirtualSmitty]

noob! but with that kind of conviction you couldnt possibly be wrong...i think ive heard that somewhere before...:confused::confused:

I like the way you have continued to bump your own thread and the mature way in which it has developed. Tark may say your not a newbie but you sure act like one. If you have nothing to learn about our hobby and have all the answers, why even bother to come here?

Look, no one is saying the wrapper doesn't matter. Neither Greg nor I implied that wrapper doesn't matter. It plays a part in the blend for sure and changing it does have an effect on the taste. But when talking about thick RG cigars the change is much more subtle because of the size and isn't as drastic as what you are saying. Maybe the filler in the 601s is tweaked across the line, I don't know honestly, but if you take the same filler blend and stick a different wrapper on it the changes aren't going to be very significant.

Why do you think so many people here start shifting to smaller RG cigars? It couldn't possibly be because you taste more of the wrappers flavor could it!? :confused::confused:

Feel free to continue your sandwich banter now :rolleyes:

[Red]

I like the way you have continued to bump your own thread and the mature way in which it has developed. Tark may say your not a newbie but you sure act like one. If you have nothing to learn about our hobby and have all the answers, why even bother to come here?

Look, no one is saying the wrapper doesn't matter. Neither Greg nor I implied that wrapper doesn't matter. It plays a part in the blend for sure and changing it does have an effect on the taste. But when talking about thick RG cigars the change is much more subtle because of the size and isn't as drastic as what you are saying. Maybe the filler in the 601s is tweaked across the line, I don't know honestly, but if you take the same filler blend and stick a different wrapper on it the changes aren't going to be very significant.

Why do you think so many people here start shifting to smaller RG cigars? It couldn't possibly be because you taste more of the wrappers flavor could it!? :confused::confused:

Feel free to continue your sandwich banter now :rolleyes:

im going to need a sandwich and blanket before i sit down and read this..sounds long and serious :td:tu

[VirtualSmitty]

im going to need a sandwich and blanket before i sit down and read this..sounds long and serious :td:tu

Is seven lines of writing too much for you to follow there Red? I can cook up a simplified version of it for ya.

[Red]

Is seven lines of writing too much for you to follow there Red? I can cook up a simplified version of it for ya.

im just a noob to reading..i JUST read good night moon for the first time yesterday

[VirtualSmitty]

im just a noob to reading..i JUST read good night moon for the first time yesterday

Okay, well you go get your blanket and sandwich and when you have something intelligent to say revisit this thread. Until then stfu please...I think i've heard that somewhere before...:confused::confused:

[Red]

Okay, well you go get your blanket and sandwich and when you have something intelligent to say revisit this thread. Until then stfu please...I think i've heard that somewhere before...:confused::confused:

haha! nice...

[elderboy02]

STFU Red :r

[Paint]

I like the way you have continued to bump your own thread and the mature way in which it has developed. Tark may say your not a newbie but you sure act like one. If you have nothing to learn about our hobby and have all the answers, why even bother to come here?

Look, no one is saying the wrapper doesn't matter. Neither Greg nor I implied that wrapper doesn't matter. It plays a part in the blend for sure and changing it does have an effect on the taste. But when talking about thick RG cigars the change is much more subtle because of the size and isn't as drastic as what you are saying. Maybe the filler in the 601s is tweaked across the line, I don't know honestly, but if you take the same filler blend and stick a different wrapper on it the changes aren't going to be very significant.

Why do you think so many people here start shifting to smaller RG cigars? It couldn't possibly be because you taste more of the wrappers flavor could it!? :confused::confused:

Feel free to continue your sandwich banter now :rolleyes:

Wow that was very enlightening...Thanks for the explanation on the real deal on wrappers. Glad you set Red straight. I need to pay more attention on this site so many knowledgeable cigar guys on here willing to help out a newb.

[VirtualSmitty]

Wow that was very enlightening...Thanks for the explanation on the real deal on wrappers. Glad you set Red straight. I need to pay more attention on this site so many knowledgeable cigar guys on here willing to help out a newb.

Try it sometime. Swap the wrappers off two cigars you like that have different wrapper leafs and tell me you much of a difference you notice :tu

[Paint]

Try it sometime. Swap the wrappers off two cigars you like that have different wrapper leafs and tell me you much of a difference you notice :tu

I wont do that with cigars i like ,i cant roll them back up. Why do all the 601's taste so different ,if they are only different by the wrappers? Has to be something too that!

[VirtualSmitty]

I wont do that with cigars i like ,i cant roll them back up. Why do all the 601's taste so different ,if they are only different by the wrappers? Has to be something too that!

Why not? It's not that hard and you might learn something from it. Like I said earlier before this this thread became sandwich banter, I don't know about the 601 blends, there could well be differences in the blend. Greg mentioned they were all the same, i've never smoked one so I can't be sure. All i'm trying to do is point out that the wrapper doesn't have as much impact on the flavor as what red is saying on thick RG cigars. It contributes to the flavor but it doesn't dominate it. If your not willing to try it for yourself, next time your at a herf do a blind taste test and see how well you do.

[pnoon]

There seems to be a trend, evident in this thread, of turning a serious discussion about cigars into meaningless drivel. Some folks are repeat offenders and have certainly gained some unwanted attention. An occasional joke or diversion is fun but if the salient points are drowned out, the value of any informations is lost.

Keep this one on track or it's done.

[ChicagoWhiteSox]

There seems to be a trend, evident in this thread, of turning a serious discussion about cigars into meaningless drivel. Some folks are repeat offenders and have certainly gained some unwanted attention. An occasional joke or diversion is fun but if the salient points are drowned out, the value of any informations is lost.

Keep this one on track or it's done.

:tpd:

[itsme_timd]

I am fairly new to CA, but not new to cigars or the forums. There have been a LOT of people on here that have been very friendly, welcoming and generous to me here - a lot of great folks here for sure. But I have to wonder why some FOGs on forums feel the need to call "n00b" if the person is someone they don't personally know? Or why do they feel their opinion holds any more merit than the others?

The initial responses from both NCRadioMan and pnoon were condescending and sarcastic. Smitty seemed to be discussing the topic but then comes on to yell NOOB!

pnoon, when Red said to try the wrapper test yourself your reply was to say "that settles it" and then toss in a :rolleyes: for good measure. Why? Red made a good point. If the 601's all have the exact same blend, and the wrappers make very little difference, then why do the 601's all taste so different from each other? Seems like a pretty darn good question to me.

Three years in the business is really not that long, I've been in my industry for 10 years now and I've still got plenty to learn. I know B&M owners that have been in the business for 15-20 years, and they still ask me things. Not that I know MORE than they do, but I may know something DIFFERENT than they do - we learn from each other.

The thread went into chicken and sandwich 'drivel' because a couple of the FOGs here made it clear that the opinions of the n00bs we're invalid. Red made a statement in his OP, some didn't agree with it, but the conversation was going fine until a couple people got sarcastic and started calling names - and it wasn't the noob that did it.

[Red]

Wrappers are 100% of the flavor I don't care what you say LOL ...that's what I've been saying the whole time cuz I'm dumb and ignorant and that's what I really believe. If you take the wrapper off the cigar then has zero flavor. Infact I think all cigars are the same binder and filler And the only thing different is the wrappers ..I'm done now with this thread... Thx for your time
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[Tarks]

Well said Tim.

[pnoon]

I am fairly new to CA, but not new to cigars or the forums. There have been a LOT of people on here that have been very friendly, welcoming and generous to me here - a lot of great folks here for sure. But I have to wonder why some FOGs on forums feel the need to call "n00b" if the person is someone they don't personally know? Or why do they feel their opinion holds any more merit than the others?

The initial responses from both NCRadioMan and pnoon were condescending and sarcastic. Smitty seemed to be discussing the topic but then comes on to yell NOOB!

pnoon, when Red said to try the wrapper test yourself your reply was to say "that settles it" and then toss in a :rolleyes: for good measure. Why? Red made a good point. If the 601's all have the exact same blend, and the wrappers make very little difference, then why do the 601's all taste so different from each other? Seems like a pretty darn good question to me.


Much can be lost in internet communication. My reply was in response to Red's statement that "wrapper makes a HUGE difference. Plain and simple" I found that to be a rather condescending statement. Hence my reply. Red's no expert. Nor am I. But I do recognize when someone purports to have the answer to the exclusion of other opinions.

:2

[Jbailey]

Yes, the wrapper can make a slight difference in taste (50rg and under) but not strength. And for the record, I don' think the 601 green isn't that spicy as compared to the corojo Red 601. A little more rich with the oscuro than anything. It's that subjective and taste thing. That's just my opinion after being in the industry for 3 years.


I do believe taste is subjective. If I had to break down the 601 line from mild to strong it would be Blue, Black, Red, Green. I got a few different 601's that I'm tempted to swap some wrappers around. The RG does have a lot to do when it comes to the wrapper. The San Cristobal line is a great example since it's the same blend across the board except the "Guajiro" which has a different one. So taste and compare some different size San Cristobal's and it might be a surprise.

After working at a cigar shop for a few years and getting to know the regulars really well it's interesting how some people pick up different flavors or gravitate towards certain cigars. I had smokers that either smoked the whole 601 line to just one from the line.

Another one to discuss would be the Padron base line which I believe is the same blend. Comparing the natural to the maduro there is a small difference in flavor.

[Red]

Much can be lost in internet communication. My reply was in response to Red's statement that "wrapper makes a HUGE difference. Plain and simple" I found that to be a rather condescending statement. Hence my reply. Red's no expert. Nor am I. But I do recognize when someone purports to have the answer to the exclusion of other opinions.

:2

Its just cuz I'm a "pnoob" and you gotta take sides with the fog's no biggiy I understand you conviction..shut er down and give me infractions
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[pnoon]

Its just cuz I'm a "pnoob" and you gotta take sides with the fog's no biggiy I understand you conviction..shut er down and give me infractions
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pnoob - :r
nobody has to take sides with a FOG just because he's a FOG.
I can shut the thread down if you wish.
give you infractions-none warranted here

[Red]

Can we start a chicken banter...cuz that was the most fun I've had in a while :)
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[pnoon]

Can we start a chicken banter...cuz that was the most fun I've had in a while :)
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Sure. But this thread is not the place for it.

[Red]

ok so can i ask is the padron 1926's the same blend or different... one wrapper is maduro and one is natural...they are both very different to me.

[Paint]

ok so can i ask is the padron 1926's the same blend or different... one wrapper is maduro and one is natural...they are both very different to me.
Red pay attention wrappers give very little flavor.Wow you are slow.

[SmoknTaz]

Red pay attention wrappers give very little flavor.Wow you are slow.
red is being serious, let the guy speak, I'm interested in what others opinion on the 1926 are. I haven't been too impressed with these. :(

[Doom]

Man they're harsh on the noobs on this site.

[VirtualSmitty]

Man they harsh on the noobs on this site.

Not really. Just don't act like Red and you be good :tu

[Doom]

Not really. Just don't act like Red and you be good :tu

Ha Ha! Yeah he's a douche!

[stevieray]

Man they're harsh on the noobs on this site.

To the contrary....this site is more tolerable than others when it comes to newer members. This site has a lot of members. Some more knowledgeable than others. Threads like these tell a lot about the types of members we have here. It seems that some of these "question" threads are anything but. More like a mish mash discussion thread about nothing with insults thrown in for good measure. The guys that have years of experience with cigars (or FOG's if you will) that can answer these questions shy away from these threads because they don't want to deal with the nonsense.

In summary.....read more, post less. If newbs have a question be polite and ask. Be respectfull if someone takes the time to answer your question. Don't troll or be a post whore. We all share the same love of the leaf here. Just my :2

*** just to clarify, this is not directed at Doom, just my thoughts in general.

[Doom]

To the contrary....this site is more tolerable than others when it comes to newer members. This site has a lot of members. Some more knowledgeable than others. Threads like these tell a lot about the types of members we have here. It seems that some of these "question" threads are anything but. More like a mish mash discussion thread about nothing with insults thrown in for good measure. The guys that have years of experience with cigars and that can answer these questions shy away from these threads because they don't want to deal with the nonsense. In summary.....read more, post less. If newbs have a question be polite and ask. Be respectfull if someone takes the time to answer your question. Don't troll or be a post whore. We all share the same love of the leaf here. Just my :2

Dude I've been smoking cigars for years.
Because I just joined this forum gives you or no other the right to suggest otherwise. The point of this thread was almost immediately subverted by smarmy, know it all replies to the initial topic. I use the word "noob" because it was sarcastically applied to people who have been in the cigar community for years who posted in this thread. To me the comments that set Red going seemed to be loaded with pure elitism and that ****'s just a joke.

[Doom]

To the contrary....this site is more tolerable than others when it comes to newer members. This site has a lot of members. Some more knowledgeable than others. Threads like these tell a lot about the types of members we have here. It seems that some of these "question" threads are anything but. More like a mish mash discussion thread about nothing with insults thrown in for good measure. The guys that have years of experience with cigars (or FOG's if you will) that can answer these questions shy away from these threads because they don't want to deal with the nonsense.

In summary.....read more, post less. If newbs have a question be polite and ask. Be respectfull if someone takes the time to answer your question. Don't troll or be a post whore. We all share the same love of the leaf here. Just my :2

*** just to clarify, this is not directed at Doom, just my thoughts in general.

I posted before seeing your clarifying statement, but most still holds true.

[VirtualSmitty]

Dude I've been smoking cigars for years.
Because I just joined this forum gives you or no other the right to suggest otherwise. The point of this thread was almost immediately subverted by smarmy, know it all replies to the initial topic. I use the word "noob" because it was sarcastically applied to people who have been in the cigar community for years who posted in this thread. To me the comments that set Red going seemed to be loaded with pure elitism and that ****'s just a joke.

Wrong. I called red a newb because of his behavior here. His posts have been pretty juvenile, this thread especially. I don't care if you've been smoking cigars for 20 years, if you join a new place and act like a 16 year old with add, well expect some backlash. This isn't CO, or Puff, or CF or whatever place you've been posting on for years. Nobody here knows you, so to us your all new ;)

And i tried to play along and offer a differing viewpoint, but your buddies were pretty set in their ways and dragged the thread into mindless banter. There's no elitism, just an attempt at conversation that went south cause your buddies know it all :tu

[Doom]

Wrong. I called red a newb because of his behavior here. His posts have been pretty juvenile, this thread especially. I don't care if you've been smoking cigars for 20 years, if you join a new place and act like a 16 year old with add, well expect some backlash. This isn't CO, or Puff, or CF or whatever place you've been posting on for years. Nobody here knows you, so to us your all new ;)

And i tried to play along and offer a differing viewpoint, but your buddies were pretty set in their ways and dragged the thread into mindless banter. There's no elitism, just an attempt at conversation that went south cause your buddies know it all :tu

I wasn't talking about you.
You seem to be a voice of reason.

But the only difference is the green and black is the wrapper. The wrapper can't magically make the blend mild. :confused:

This on the other hand....

[Jbailey]

ok so can i ask is the padron 1926's the same blend or different... one wrapper is maduro and one is natural...they are both very different to me.

When it comes to the padron 26 it seem like the same blend to me with the different wraps on them. :2

I'm sure someone could chime in on it.

[Red]

i think VS is on the wrong forum..he should sign up for a guidance counslar forum and heal the ill..he is so smart with his words of wisdom..he could really change the world..maybe teach me how to spell

[Tarks]

i think VS is on the wrong forum..he should sign up for a guidance counslar forum and heal the ill..he is so smart with his words of wisdom..he could really change the world..maybe teach me how to spell

I don't think anyone can teach you how to spell Red! You can't teach an old dog new tricks.

[pnoon]

This thread has little hope of anything positive going forward.

We're done here.