Pete Johnson goes Vampire!

[SkinsFanLarry]

This article is from CigarCyclopedia.com (http://www.cigarcyclopedia.com/webapp/content/view/1540/27/)


Los Angeles, September 15, 2009 – Halloween isn’t far off, so that means Pete Johnson’s annual “Monster” series is getting ready to debut for 2009.

After inaugurating the series with “The Frank,” in honor of the Frankenstein movie series of the 1930s and 1940s, the 2009 edition will be led by “The Drac,” saluting Universal Studios’ movie series of the 1930s that starred Bela Lugosi – a big cigar smoker, by the way – in the title role.

“‘The Drac’ will be a 6 3/4-inch by 52-ring torpedo,” said Johnson. “It’s a long torpedo, with a very easy, elegant internal blend and a very big flavored Habano Maduro wrapper. It’s kind of like dressing an elegant man in his black cape!”

The Drac’s wrapper was grown in Ecuador, with the binder and filler leaves from Nicaragua. The cigars were made at Pepin Garcia’s My Father cigar factory in Esteli, Nicaragua. “The cigars will be in boxes of 13,” Johnson added. “The boxes are still in the coffin shape, but this will be a prettier coffin than for The Frank last year. It’s shiny and there’s a little touch of (fake) blood on the tooth coming out of the ‘D’.”

As always, this is a very limited-production cigar, with only 1,300 boxes of 13 actually produced (16,900 cigars in total). “We picked out 13 retailers who got the product last year. We’ll pick again and those 13 will get a bigger chunk, but the remaining distribution will be through the territories, so most [of our] stores will be get a piece of it,” Johnson noted.

In order to give more of his retailers nationwide a chance to participate in his Halloween limited-edition program, Johnson is also started his “sub-series” of the Monster program, called the “Actor’s Series.” These cigars will be themed around the actors whose portrayals made their monster pictures so memorable.

As the 2008 series featured “The Frank,” the 2009 Actor’s Series entry will be “Boris” in honor of Boris Karloff, who brought Frankenstein’s monster to life in 1932. “It’s in boxes of 10, with only 1,000 boxes to be produced. The boxes are white with a very elegant white band on the cigars,” said Johnson.

“It allows you to taste a version of the previous year’s Monster blend, but it’s not the exact blend. We’ve shortened the cigar – it’s 7 inches by 49 ring – and instead of Broadleaf, we put an Ecuadorian Sumatra wrapper with a rosado tone to it. It changes the cigar drastically, but it’s also made at My Father cigars in Nicaragua. Retailers who won the pick last year will get a nice little chunk of the sub-series and everybody else will be able to get some.”

Johnson isn’t finished, however. He’s also giving away a motorcycle as part of this year’s Halloween promotion. “We came up with this last year,” Johnson noted. “It’s a Ducati Monster (696) and we’re going Willy Wonka to select the winner.

“There are 13 spooky tickets inside boxes of The Drac. There’s no purchase necessary, but if you find one of the 13 tickets and register it online, you have a 1-13 chance to win the bike. We know a lot of these cigars are given as gifts and retailers will open a lot of boxes before they put the cigars on the shelf and we’re fine that they are eligible to win as well.”

He’s already thinking ahead to next year as well. “In 2010, we’re going new school with LeatherFace, it will be called ‘The Face.’ The size has not yet been determined, but it’s going to be a fatter cigar, with a gnarly, ugly wrapper on it, a marbelized cover leaf. The cigar will be unfinished, with the wrapper drooping off the cigar.

“The box will be a coffin, but ugly and brown. We’re going to have the boxmaker swipe them over the grinder one more time after they’re finished. The band will be some weird combination of the colors, too.” He hasn’t yet figured out how to package a miniature chain saw in the box to use as a cutter!

Johnson has also planned ahead for the Actor’s Series cigar for 2010: “It will be the Bela sub-series. We’ve already kind-of created that cigar. It will have a classic, elegant Ecuador Connecticut wrapper.”

Johnson’s success began with his Tatuaje brand and now has distribution all over the country, reaching about 700 stores in total. “I’m glad it’s still small,” he added.

He also noted the success of his newest blend, the Ambos Mundos. “It’s aimed at a lower price point,” he explained. “It’s my way of trying to create something that had flavor at a nicer price point for this economy. It’s been out since January and the response has been great.

“It’s a base Nicaraguan, with mild seco-viso-volado leaves and two different wrappers: Ecuadorian Sumatra wrapper on one, and a Nicaraguan Habano on the other.”

He also noted that the LaRiqueza and La Riqueza Cabinet lines “are the same blend, only the box is different. We added two sizes in the Cabinet and those are round not square.

“We’re making everything out of My Father cigars in Nicaragua now except for the Tatuaje (brown label) which is still in Miami at El Rey de Los Habanos.”

Johnson’s emphasis on quality and control has made his cigars widely known and much appreciated among the cigar cognoscenti, but he’s not above having some fun with his retailers and with smokers. For an activity which is essentially a hobby, that’s a good thing.

[theonlybear4CORT]

I hope to be able to get a box this year since I missed the franks last year.

[icehog3]

:np

[DPD6030]

:np

http://www.cigarasylum.com/vb/showthread.php?t=21084 see here for the Drac box. :D

[icehog3]

http://www.cigarasylum.com/vb/showthread.php?t=21084 see here for the Drac box. :D

Cool, Andrew, thanks! :D

[DPD6030]

Cool, Andrew, thanks! :D

:we, I knew it was on here before. I hope to get in on a box split.

[MedicCook]

:we, I knew it was on here before. I hope to get in on a box split.

Me too. I still need to try the Frank & T110.

[kelmac07]

I'll be happy to get my hands on ONE stick!!!

[bookman]

Sounds like a cigar I could really SINK my teeth into!

huh? Huh? Get it??!



:sad

[Col. Kurtz]

Woo hoo!

Another limited edition from Pete.
:rolleyes:



Let the games begin!

:sleep:

[BeerAdvocate]

Did the Frank come 13 to a box also?

[elderboy02]

Well, I am off to buy a new cooler today so that I will have room.

[shilala]

After smelling the Franks, I might like to try this cigar. :tu

[NCRadioMan]

Did the Frank come 13 to a box also?

Yes. All the Halloween releases will be boxes of 13. Frankly, the Frank did nothing for me. (pun intended) I hope the Drac is better.

[BeerAdvocate]

What did a box of Franks go for?
I had one Frank cigar and gave it away. Then I never saw them ever again.
I regret being so generous! :D

[Red]

wheres the pics

[NCRadioMan]

wheres the pics


http://www.cigarasylum.com/vb/attachment.php?attachmentid=3749&d=1252361349

[Red]

http://www.cigarasylum.com/vb/attachment.php?attachmentid=3749&d=1252361349

thank ya sir! replied

[chenvt]

when are the vendors going to be announced? I need to make sure I put an order in with one for the Boris :D

[NCRadioMan]

when are the vendors going to be announced? I need to make sure I put an order in with one for the Boris :D

They made double of the Drac than the Frank (1660 boxes) so what I have heard is the 13 stores that got the Frank last year will have the most boxes and the rest will be distributed to other stores across the country. So these should be easier to get.

[SkinsFanLarry]

I believe last year it may have been two weeks before Halloween, it wasn't any earlier than that though.

Pete posted it on the Tatuaje Nation (http://tatuajecigars.com/)website.

[SkinsFanLarry]

They made double of the Drac than the Frank (1660 boxes) so what I have heard is the 13 stores that got the Frank last year will have the most boxes and the rest will be distributed to other stores across the country. So these should be easier to get.

Here's what the article above said about that....

“We picked out 13 retailers who got the product last year. We’ll pick again and those 13 will get a bigger chunk, but the remaining distribution will be through the territories, so most [of our] stores will be get a piece of it,” Johnson noted.

[Col. Kurtz]

Tatuaje Nation?

:rolleyes: :r

[SkinsFanLarry]

when are the vendors going to be announced? I need to make sure I put an order in with one for the Boris :D

October 13th!

[SkinsFanLarry]

What did a box of Franks go for?
I had one Frank cigar and gave it away. Then I never saw them ever again.
I regret being so generous! :D

Suggested Retail was $13 per stick. 13 cigars to a box… $169 Suggested Retail before any state or local tobacco taxes.

[Ahbroody]

Good a local shop is getting them, guess I know where I will be on Oct 31st

[RightAJ]

Called Holts in Philadelphia today (live near Philly), and they said they are gonna get them but they don't know when or how many. Probably won't sell by the box though they guy said which is disappointing :(

aj

[elderboy02]

Called Holts in Philadelphia today (live near Philly), and they said they are gonna get them but they don't know when or how many. Probably won't sell by the box though they guy said which is disappointing :(

aj

That is horse (you know what) That retailer just wants to open the box to find the golden ticket to win the grand prize. :td

[RightAJ]

That is horse (you know what) That retailer just wants to open the box to find the golden ticket to win the grand prize. :td

They always sell the good stuff by single sticks which really makes me mad (plus they say only x per person), but they are the only place even close to me that has the selection they do so I kinda gotta go there...

Ah Pete Johnson is killing me with these limited releases! I still gotta get my hands on the T110, Frank, Black and definatly gonna get as many Dracs as I can... if I can

aj

[wavescrashing]

I'm curious as to what those tickets will win ya. Apparently there are 13 boxes with a ticket inside. Hmmm.

[vankleekkw]

Each ticket is a entry to win a Ducati Monster

[themoneycollector]

I'm curious as to what those tickets will win ya. Apparently there are 13 boxes with a ticket inside. Hmmm.

Of those 13, one of them will win a motorcycle - Ducati Monster

[SkinsFanLarry]

The 13 "Unlucky" shops will be announced tomorrow, 10/13, at 1:00PM EST....this come from Pete's FB page.

[wavescrashing]

Sweet. 10 AM my time. So if the one ticket gets you a Ducati Monster, what do the other 12 tickets get you?

[SkinsFanLarry]

13 of Pete's cigars....cause if you got a ticket you were one of the lucky one's to get a box of Drac's! :banger

[wavescrashing]

13 of Pete's cigars....cause if you got a ticket you were one of the lucky one's to get a box of Drac's! :banger

Well hell, I guess that means Pete was too cheap to make 666 tickets :bh

[Adriftpanda]

:tt come on 13th...

[Ahbroody]

sweet atleast I should be able to score some borris as a local shop had the franks last year.

If i can get a box I will offer some singles up. Good chance apparently.

[DPD6030]

sweet atleast I should be able to score some borris as a local shop had the franks last year.

If i can get a box I will offer some singles up. Good chance apparently.

Would like to get my tiny little hands on a drac if you get a box Mike. Let me know if you want to sell or trade for one :tu

[Veritas]

In case you missed it, Brooks has a great review of the Drac here. (http://www.cigarasylum.com/vb/showpost.php?p=596295&postcount=1)

[Ahbroody]

Copied from another site. By the way I would just like to add RANDOM MY ASS!!!!!!!
I like Pete and his sticks, but this was not a random drawing. Look at the market placing. I would love to know his definition of random :r

Tatuaje Nation - List of 13 Drac Retailers
Arizona
Churchill's Fine Cigars
5041 N. 44th Street
Phoenix, AZ 85018
602-840-9080
http://churchillsaz.com

California
Grants San Francisco
562 Market St.
San Francisco, CA 94104
415-981-1000
http://www.grantspipeshop.com/

Florida
Harbor Cigars
4424 Commons Dr East Suite 2C
Destin, FL 32541
850-650-3111
http://www.harborcigars.com/

Georgia
Tobaccoworld
700 Sandy Plains Rd
Marietta, GA 30066
678-290-1255
http://www.cigarsatlanta.com/

Maryland
Bethesda Tobacco Inc.
4916 Del Ray Ave
Bethesda, MD 20814
301-907-7990
http://BethesdaTobacco.com/

Minnesota
Tobacco Grove
8063 Wedgewood Lane North
Maple Grove, MN 55369
763-494-6688
No Website Listed

Missouri
Outlaw Cigar Co
6234 N Chatham Ave
Kansas City, MO 64151-2472
816-505-2442
http://www.outlawcigar.com/

New Jersey
The Tobacco Shop of Ridgewood
10 Chestnut Street
Ridgewood, NJ 07450
201-447-2204
No Website Listed

New York
Barclay-Rex Enterprises
570 Lexington Ave
New York, NY 10022
212-888-1015
No Website Listed

Smoke Signals
308 Main Street
Port Jefferson, NY 11777
631-928-3060
http://smokesignals.biz/

Ohio
New Havana Cigars
1183 Chesapeake Ave.
Columbus, OH 43212
614-486-2822
http://www.newhavanacigars.com/

Rhode Island
Regency Cigar Emporium
752 Main St
East Greenwich, RI 02818
401-884-7665
http://regencycigar.com/

Texas
Serious Cigars
6608 FM 1960 W Suite D
Houston, TX 77069
281-397-9800
http://www.SeriousCigars.com/



Tatuaje Nation - Secondary Retailers

Arizona

Ambassador Fine Cigars
4912 E. Shea Blvd Ste 108
Scottsdale, AZ 85260
480-905-1000
http://www.ambassadorfinecigars.com/

California

Big Easy
12604 Ventura Blvd
Studio City, CA 91604
818-762-3279
http://www.bigeasycigars.com/

Mission Pipe Shop San Jose
1205 The Alameda
San Jose, CA 95126
408-293-5144
http://www.missionpipe.com/

Mission Pipe Shop Pleasanton
4001 Santa Rita Rd No. 4
Pleasanton, CA 94588
925-463-0100
http://www.missionpipecigar.com/

Tower Pipes & Cigars
2518 Land Park Dr
Sacramento, CA 95818
916-443-8466
http://www.towercigars.com/

Colorado

Barlows Premium Cigars
2770 Arapahoe Road Ste. 102
Lafayette, CO 80026
303-926-1002
http://www.barlowscigars.com/

Washington D.C

W. Curtis Draper
640 14th St NW
Washington, DC 20005
202-638-2555
http://drapertobacco.com/contact.html

Florida

Corona Cigar Company
7792 W. Sand Lake Rd.
Orlando, FL 32819
407-248-1212
http://www.coronacigar.com/

Smoke Inn II West Palm Beach
801 Village Blvd 305
West Palm Beach, FL 33409
888-766-5371 or 561-721-2383
http://www.smokeinn.com/

Sabor Havana Cigars
2600 NW 87 Ave.
Miami, FL 33172
305-436-8860
http://www.saborhavanacigars.com/

Massachusetts

Flagship Store
Gloucester Street Cigar Co
34 Gloucester Street
Boston, MA 02115
617-424-1000
http://www.gstreetcigar.com/

L.J. Peretti Co
2 1/2 Park Sq.
Boston, MA 02116
617-482-0218
http://www.ljperetti.com/

North Carolina

Empire Cigars
9650 Strickland Road Ste 154
Raleigh, NC 27615
919-870-0081
http://EmpireCigars.net/

New Hampshire

Top Shelf Cigar Company
96 Calef Highway
Epping, NH 03042
603-679-2447
http://TSCigar.com/

Twins Smoke Shop
128 Rockingham Rd
Londonderry, NH 03053
603-421-0242
http://www.TwinsSmokeShop.com/

New York

Uptown Cigar Company
32 John St.
Kingston, NY 12401
877-238-1172
http://www.uptowncigar.com/

Davidoff Columbus Circle
535 Madison Avenue
New York, NY 10022
212-823-6383
http://www.davidoffcc.com/

Tobacco Plaza, LTD
218 Lakeville Rd
Great Neck, NY 11020
516-829-7134

Pennsylvania

Holt's Cigar Company
12270 Townsend Road
Philadelphia, PA 19154
800-523-1641
http://www.holts.com/

Texas

Cigar Shop and More
4285 Beltline Road
Addison, TX 75001
972-661-9136
http://www.cigarshopandmore.com/index.html

Virginia

Havana Connections - Short Pump
11616 West Broad Street
Richmond, VA 23233
804-364-5711
http://www.havanaconnections.com/


Additional retailers

Stag Tobacconist AZ
Fair Oaks Cigars-AZ AZ
Anthony's Grant AZ
Anthony's-Oracle AZ
Jerry's Cigars-AZ AZ
Tinder Box #377-Phoenix AZ
McGaughs Smoke Shop AZ
Mojito Cigar Lounge AZ
Magnum's AZ
Tinder Box #370-Mesa AZ
Monte's Pueblo Pipe Shop AZ
Cigar Mas Fino CA
Santa Barbara Cigar & Tobacco CA
The Humidor-Redlands CA
David's Gift & Tobacco CA
The Smoke Zone CA
Cigars LTD CA
Liberty Tobacco CA
The Cigar Lounge INC. CA
V Cut Smoke Shop CA
West Coast Cigars CA
Hollywood Smoke CA
Cigarz.Com LLC-CA CA
Piedmont Tobacconist CA
Telford's Pipe & Cigar Inc. CA
Churchill Cigar Lounge CA
Cigar Grotto Inc. CA
Casa Belicoso CA
Ceniza Cigar Lounge CA
Danville Cigars & Fine Gifts CA
Hemingway-CA CA
Hiland's Cigar Haven-CA CA
Maxamar Cigars CA
Palm Desert Tobacco CA
The Sanctuary Tobacco Shop CA
The Tinder Box #114-Palm Springs CA
Tobacco Road CA
Valencia News & Smokes CA
Havana Manor II CO
Havana Manor CO
Cigars on Sixth CO
Smoking Cave Outlet CO
Edwards Pipe & Tobacco-CO CO
Stogies and Bogeys CO
M&M Cigar & Gift CT
Casual Cigar Enterprises CT
Georgetown Tobacco DC
Thompson Cigar Co FL
Aromas of Havana FL
Tampa Humidor FL
Cigar Connoisseur,Inc FL
Cordova Cigars FL
Alligator Alley Cigars FL
Edward's Pipe &Tobacco FL
Casa Tobacco FL
Aficionado's FL
Aficionado's Coral Springs FL
Three J's FL
Fiato Cigar Co FL
Cigar Castle FL
Tobacco Cove FL
MJM Fine Cigars FL
Don Michael Cigars FL
AG Cigars at Eagles Landing GA
Sandy Springs Cigar GA
Macks Cigar Shop GA
Puff n' Stuff-GA GA
The Cigar Merchant GA
The Cigar Connoisseur GA
Tamura Enterprises Inc HI
Havana Club Honolulu HI
Foodland- R Field Wine Co. HI
Tobaccos of Hawaii HI
Smoke Shop IA
Up Down Tobacco IL
Binny's Beverage Depot IL
Cigar King IL
Cigary Inc. IL
8 to 8 Cigars IL
Iwan Ries & Co IL
Blue Havana - IL IL
Bacca Cigars IL
Burning Leaf IL
Humidor IL
Hickey Brothers Cigars IL
Carmack's Cigar & Tobacco Shop IN
Golden Leaf IN
Indy Cigar Bar IN
Cigar Haven IN
Cigar Chateau & Gifts, LLC KS
Old Town Cigars KS
Centro Cigars KS
Cigar & Tabac Ltd KS
ABC Discount Smoke Shop KS
Liquor Outlet LLC, dba The Party Source KY
Oxmoor Smoke Shoppe Ltd. KY
Don Juan-Imperial Trading LA
The Cigar Merchant-LA LA
Mayan Import Company Inc. LA
Pleasant Smoke Shop - MA MA
Owl Shop of Worcester MA
Cigar Masters MA
Watch City Cigar Co.-Maruti Cigar,Inc MA
S & A Smoke Shop MA
Old Firehouse Smoke Shop MA
The Humidour Cigar Shoppe MD
The Chesapeake Cigar Company MD
Tinder Box #398-MD MD
Freeport Trading Co. ME
The Cigar Factory Outlet - MI MI
Churchills - MI MI
Goodfellas MI
La Casa De La Habana - Ann Arbor MI
Smoky's Ann Arbor MI
The Corona Smokeshop MI
Tobacco Shoppe of Midland MI
Cigar Jones MN
Diebel's Sportmens Gallery MO
Just For Him MO
Habana Smoke Shoppe MS
Tinder Box -Charlotte NC NC
K & S Cigars NC
S.G. Roi NE
Ted's Tobacco NE
Two Guys Smoke Shop-Nashua NH
Castro's Back Room-Nashua NH
Blowin Smoke NH
J Barbera Tobacconist NJ
A Little Taste of Cuba NJ
Ruben's Smoke Stack NJ
Tobacco Leaf-NJ NJ
The Cigar Room NJ
Barrister Cigars NJ
Berkeley Wine Co Inc NJ
Fumare NV
Pheasant Cigars NV
Freyboy Tobacco NV
OK Cigars NY
The Cigar Inn NY
Smokin Joes-NY NY
Premium Cigars NY
Matador Cigars NY
Maxi's Cigar Inc-Franklin Square NY
Hicksville Humidor NY
Habana Hut, Inc NY
Dominic's Fine Cigars NY
Cigar Emporium-NY NY
Barclay- Rex-Broad St NY
Jungle Jims Market Inc. OH
La Casa de La Habana OH
Tinder Box #408 OH
Village Tobacconist OH
Port Royal OH
Fogue & Bates Tobacconist OK
Tobacco Exchange OK
Z T Cigars OK
Cascade Cigar & Tobacco OR
Avva Cigars OR
Rich's Cigar OR
Cigars International PA
Famous Smoke Shop-PA PA
Atlantic Cigar Co. PA
Allegheny Smokeworks PA
The Tobacco Co. PA
Old Havana Cigar Co-PA PA
Bloom Cigar PA
Old Allegheny Shop PA
Laudisi Enterprises, Inc. SC
Silo Cigars TN
Leaf & Ale, Inc. TN
Burn's Tobacconist TN
Uptown's Smoke Shop TN
Belle Meade Premium Cigars TN
Up In Smoke TX
Town & Country Cigar Bar TX
Santa Barbara Cigar Houston TX
Addison Cigar Company TX
Smoke Ring TX
Stafford & Jones / Pipe & Cigar Haven TX
Club Humidor San Pedro TX
Two Brothers Cigars TX
Tobacco Junction TX
Tobacco World- CC Texas TX
Texas Ave Cigars/Brazos Cigar Holdings TX
Tobacco Road Fine Cigars & Gifts TX
Heroes & Legacies TX
M&R Enterprises / Habana House TX
Canyon Cigar Co. TX
Emerson's of Norfolk VA
Leesburg Cigar & Pipe Inc. VA
J & J Cigars WA
Smokey Joe's Cigar & Sports Lounge WA
Rain City Cigar WA
Fine Wine & Cigars/Eastside Wine Merchant WA
Snoqualmie Casino WA
Thunderbird Trading Post WA
Tobacco Patch WA
Appleton Cigar Co WI
Fuller Puller WI
The Squire Tobacco WVA

[Ahbroody]

Mission pipe will be getting the Boris so looks like I will atleast score some borris. I dont know about driving an hour to the city for Grants. I hate Frisco!!! Maybe West Coast will get some.

[Pilon]

Just reserved a box of Dracs for myself. :banger

[LockOut]

Got my name on at least a dozen lists, who knows what ill get if anything. I fidn it BS hat Regencey in RI told me to order i hada order at least 1 box of other tats. what a BS way to bump their sales.

[acarr]

Well it seems like all the lists filled up pretty dang fast. If anybody gets an extra box I am begging for one!

[Conch Republican]

I am on a few lists - all I could do. Lockout - order one of the other boxes - it's not like we won't smoke them!!

[acarr]

I am on a few lists - all I could do. Lockout - order one of the other boxes - it's not like we won't smoke them!!

As many as you can! Then spread the wealth among us.

[mikeandshellie2]

Sigh, yet again Tn is not in the loop. Oh, well maybe I'll get lucky finding one somewhere.

[Ahbroody]

Guys settle down. The other board I am on is Tat crazy.

Do the math. The primary stores are getting 403. There are still over 800!!!!! Drac boxes at other shops The you have 1000!!! Boris boxes as well. There will be sticks out there. I can see many shops on the lists getting 5+ boxes.

They are gonna be out there. you will just need to do the work.
Grants in SF is not taking preorders walk in only. Looks like I may drive up to the city on the 31st and grab a box or 2. May have to get the CC out of the freezer. :( Its been in their 8 months now.

[s15driftking]

SWEET, New havana is in Columbus!!!

[Ahbroody]

SWEET, New havana is in Columbus!!!
lol
https://www.newhavanacigars.com/SearchResults.asp?Cat=77
doesnt look good.:r

[acarr]

lol
https://www.newhavanacigars.com/SearchResults.asp?Cat=77
doesnt look good.:r

Their site is going to shut down from all the activity.

[Adriftpanda]

Called Grants and then called Mission Pipes. Let's hope I get them.

Mark, I hate you!

[Adriftpanda]

Actually let me edit this... called about 10 retailers regarding the Dracs. Best chances are at Mission.

[LockOut]

its great that places are taking walk in only but unfortunate the closest place is 6 hours from.

[JJG]

woohoo looks like I might get my hands on some of these! One of my local places is on the lucky 13 list, (serious cigars). Unfortunately they aren't doing any sort of waiting list so I'm just going to have to make sure I'm there when the doors open. Luckily Halloween is on a Sat. this year.

[Adriftpanda]

Damn it! I have to work that Saturday! Luckily my girlfriend is cool so I might have her go pick one up for me... crossing my fingers

[amyelizabeth]

SO PSYCHED THAT MY LOCAL'S ON THE LIST! I'm going in tomorrow to see if I can reserve any... and they know and love me, so if anybody will be able to do so there, I should be able to.

[wavescrashing]

One thing that everybody is overlooking, according to a few shops I called: No one is asking for the Boris!!! One shop that I snagged a box from said that they have a list of 85 names for the Drac and 4 names for the Boris, lol. Call and ask for the Boris, there's a much better chance, and you're pretty much smoking last years Monster (that didn't come out right).

[njstone]

Pete says the best thing to do to get Dracs at this point is to call the "Additional Retailers" nearest you and see what they are planning to do with theirs!

[colimo]

i think Amy should buy all she can...ill even give her my secret addy...:ss

[amyelizabeth]

Dude, I was gonna go in and demand to buy every box possible, but they're doing it as a raffle! I'm entered, so... here's to hope.

[DPD6030]

i think Amy should buy all she can...ill even give her my secret addy...:ss

:tpd: and :gl to Amy

[Ahbroody]

Guess I will stop by the local shop tomorrow and ask about the borris. I have a felling they will be selling dracs as singles.

[Guitarman-S.T-]

Guess I will stop by the local shop tomorrow and ask about the borris. I have a felling they will be selling dracs as singles.

Ouch, I just got a hit on box's at a shop, Lets see if I'm able to snag one!!!

[Ahbroody]

Ouch, I just got a hit on box's at a shop, Lets see if I'm able to snag one!!!
I thought these were not supposed to be out for a few weeks?
Initially I was excited, now I am just irritated a little

[Guitarman-S.T-]

I thought these were not supposed to be out for a few weeks?
Initially I was excited, now I am just irritated a little

actually not until well, Halloween Week, Just tryin to get a firm grasp on one before the Vamp. Strikes!:su:su:su

[Pilon]

I thought these were not supposed to be out for a few weeks?
Initially I was excited, now I am just irritated a little

Retailers were announced Oct 13th, so people are calling to reserve boxes. Boxes and singles technically are not supposed to be sold until Halloween day, even though retailers will recieve everything earlier than that.

[Ahbroody]

Guess I read guitarmans post wrong. I read they were not supposed to be out till halloween and know everyone has already called the 13. Just read it wrong.

As I pointed out on Page 3 the unlucky 13 are only getting 403 boxes there are something like 800 other boxes out there and the 1000 borris. I have a feeling many will be getting some dracs. Maybe not boxes, but sticks will be out there.

Grants in frisco is not doing a list I may do the roady to try to get a box.

[Adriftpanda]

Guess I will stop by the local shop tomorrow and ask about the borris. I have a felling they will be selling dracs as singles.

Lol, good luck with the Boris. I highly doubt they still have any of those. What shop did you have a feeling about them selling singles?

Grants in frisco is not doing a list I may do the roady to try to get a box.

Are you sure of this? When I spoke to whoever that worked there, they seemed unsure of what was going on. They didn't know if they were doing it raffle or walk-in. Have you talked to them recently, besides the on the 13th? Let's hope we get them!

[cbsmokin]

I think the box looks cool.

[Smokemifugotem]

I am on Two lists as of right now...both look grim at best. Anyone who can get a second box or singles...hollar at me and I will make it worth ur while. Especially if it is a sealed box! Cannot wait for this drop!

[Pilon]

I am on Two lists as of right now...both look grim at best. Anyone who can get a second box or singles...hollar at me and I will make it worth ur while. Especially if it is a sealed box! Cannot wait for this drop!

Somebody wants a Ducati Monster :r

[RightAJ]

I am on Two lists as of right now...both look grim at best. Anyone who can get a second box or singles...hollar at me and I will make it worth ur while. Especially if it is a sealed box! Cannot wait for this drop!


Same for me!!! Take the ticket if I win IDC! All I want are the sticks :) Pretty pleaseeeee

aj

[wavescrashing]

Same for me!!! Take the ticket if I win IDC! All I want are the sticks :) Pretty pleaseeeee

aj

AJ, if you win, I'll just trade you my box for the Ducati :r

[Dukeuni]

Can anyone PM me if they know of any shops that have room on lists for the Boris? I know the Drac is long gone, but I want to call up a few shops and reserve a box or two of the Boris. THANKS IN ADVANCE!

[Ahbroody]

Lol, good luck with the Boris. I highly doubt they still have any of those. What shop did you have a feeling about them selling singles?



Are you sure of this? When I spoke to whoever that worked there, they seemed unsure of what was going on. They didn't know if they were doing it raffle or walk-in. Have you talked to them recently, besides the on the 13th? Let's hope we get them!

LOL FAIL Huy
Uh Huy the Boris is not released yet so I am pretty sure they will have them as its comming out on the same day as the Drac. As to the Shop its Mission Pipe in San Jose. I have spoken with them. They are going to sell these the same as the OPUSX and everything else special they get. Basically Shop Regulars and walkins first as the boxes will be on the counter. After a few days if they dont all move then they will begin contacting all the out of area people who are on some list. This is from one of the shops employee I have dealt with many times. He laughed at the length of the list of out of area people. They will have both Dracs and Boris on the counter when they open for business on the 31st. People walking in will be able to buy. They are unsure if they will sell boxes. I bet this depends on how many boxes and the demand. Mission always takes care of its Regualrs and Locals over everyone else.

As to Grants screw it. I guess they changed their mind. Who cares I will be at mission on Sat morning to pick some up. Its 10 minutes from my house. I am definetly not driving up to grants for some random raffle. Besides West Coast may also get some. So hopefully I can grab a single or two there.

As I said on page 3 there will be 800 boxes at the other shops on the list. Will they have 31 boxes? No, but they will have multiple boxes. Based on Missions pull I am guessing they will be getting a good number of boxes. To be honest I am actually almost wanting to not buy this stick because of the trainwreck its causing. Even I called a shop. :td

So yeah long story short I am pretty sure I will have a few Borris and Drac in my hands on saturday afternoon which is all I can afford anyway. So I am good :tu

[Adriftpanda]

LOL FAIL Huy
Uh Huy the Boris is not released yet so I am pretty sure they will have them as its comming out on the same day as the Drac. As to the Shop its Mission Pipe in San Jose. I have spoken with them. They are going to sell these the same as the OPUSX and everything else special they get. Basically Shop Regulars and walkins first as the boxes will be on the counter. After a few days if they dont all move then they will begin contacting all the out of area people who are on some list. This is from one of the shops employee I have dealt with many times. He laughed at the length of the list of out of area people. They will have both Dracs and Boris on the counter when they open for business on the 31st. People walking in will be able to buy. They are unsure if they will sell boxes. I bet this depends on how many boxes and the demand. Mission always takes care of its Regualrs and Locals over everyone else.

As to Grants screw it. I guess they changed their mind. Who cares I will be at mission on Sat morning to pick some up. Its 10 minutes from my house. I am definetly not driving up to grants for some random raffle. Besides West Coast may also get some. So hopefully I can grab a single or two there.

As I said on page 3 there will be 800 boxes at the other shops on the list. Will they have 31 boxes? No, but they will have multiple boxes. Based on Missions pull I am guessing they will be getting a good number of boxes. To be honest I am actually almost wanting to not buy this stick because of the trainwreck its causing. Even I called a shop. :td

So yeah long story short I am pretty sure I will have a few Borris and Drac in my hands on saturday afternoon which is all I can afford anyway. So I am good :tu

That was such a nice long letter Mike...

The reason why I said good luck with the Boris because my friends shop sold all the Dracs and Boris that he has already. So I just assumed most stores knew how much they were getting in and assumed that they were pretty much sold out as well.

Did you try Mission in Pleasanton? I am 6th on their list so hopefully I can get my hands on a box. If Grant's is really doing a raffle then that is pointless driving 2 hours for me.

All this hunting for cigars is putting a bad taste in my mouth to be honest. Oh well. :rolleyes:

[Smokemifugotem]

None of the 13 are taking lists for the Boris...already tried. Best bet is to try to check your local shops in hopes for singles. I have a feeling full bundles will be hard to come by (even at $13 + tax)! I am snagging anything I can and hoping to have enough to share the share!

[coastietech]

Well I was really excited about this, but I just called my local B&M and they still haven't even heard if they are getting them. I'm hoping I can grab a box if they do, but right now it isn't looking very good. :td

[Ahbroody]

That was such a nice long letter Mike...

The reason why I said good luck with the Boris because my friends shop sold all the Dracs and Boris that he has already. So I just assumed most stores knew how much they were getting in and assumed that they were pretty much sold out as well.

Did you try Mission in Pleasanton? I am 6th on their list so hopefully I can get my hands on a box. If Grant's is really doing a raffle then that is pointless driving 2 hours for me.

All this hunting for cigars is putting a bad taste in my mouth to be honest. Oh well. :rolleyes:

I didnt call mission in pleasanton as I would not drive up there. I know Dona likely runs her shops the same, so I am sure the distribution will be the same. regulars and locals first. Everyone else gets the scraps. The down side is she always sells to her regulars after closing the night before. In other words if you spend cash there she hooks you up first then others. That said, like I already stated I spoke to one of the guys there. There will be Boris and Drac on the counter for sale when they open up.

As to my previous post length. Dude you lold my post with out knowing the specifics of my post. Come on now.

[Ahbroody]

On a side note. Pete posted this on another board I am a member of.
He is somewhat active on this other board.

After a small amount of negative feedback and customers asking for more boxes that I don't have, I had some thoughts and ideas about the Monster program. I would love feedback on what I think might be the only fair way.

Next year all the Coffin Shaped numbered special boxes of 13 will be reduced back to 666 boxes and distributed by Gloucester Street since they are the birthplace of the series. They will set a box limit per customer, first come first serve, phone orders, walk ins, etc. These will go on sale on October 13th.

I will make an additonal 31000 cigars packed in plain boxes of 10 that will sell to all and any regular loyal current Tatuaje stores. They can order whatever they want for their customers and the product will be delivered after November 1st to the retailers. The cigars will be the exact same shape, flavor and price but with a generic Tatuaje Band and maybe a secondary band saying the initials of the actor who played the current years Monster. This would be considered the Monster out of Costume.

This is the only way I think might work to give everyone a chance to buy and smoke the cigars but the collectors can choose to buy them early for the funky numbered box.

Love any comments on this.

Pete

The response to this was not so positive so it does not look like this will actually happen. Someone then recommended something like the Having CRA run the sale and the boxes shipped to your local Tatuaje retailer. So basically guys the sale of the monster series may change next year. Its all up in the air. If anyone wants to know the board this discussion is going on at send me a PM. I dont want to post the board as it may violate our forum rules.

[Col. Kurtz]

I saw that too.

Pete is a marketing genius. He's already hyping what he may or may not do next year. :rolleyes:

I stopped giving a darn about the limited stuff. None of it seemed any better, only that it was limited. Just turned off by the whole artificial demand of it all.

Pete could make as many of these as he wanted. But then we wouldn't be worked up in a lather about them, would we?



Edit to add:

You should see some of the activity about these. It's like a bunch of teenage girls going nuts over Hanna Montana tickets. :sad

No offense to any teenage girls, or Hanna Montana if they're on here...

[wayner123]

Is this the new Opus?? They seem to have a way of distributing "limited" cigars. Maybe take a note from them?

[Darrell]

I'm over these. **** this BS hype.

[Pilon]

It's all about marketing, and it's working well.

[doctorcue]

It's all of us cigars "fans/crazies/etc." that are making this more than it needs to be. Figure everything is limited. I don't know of any shop that has EVERY cigar out there. If you can't get it; well see if someone will sell you one. Otherwise; dig into your overloaded humi/cooler/cabinet and enjoy one of your smokes.

Really... it is just cigars guys.

[RightAJ]

Really... it is just cigars guys.

Don't you ever say that!!!!! Grr...






JKJK

aj

[Ahbroody]

I'm over these. **** this BS hype.

Agreed to a large extent. Also agree Pete is a marketing genius and I actually posted that on his thread on another board.

That said I really did like the T110 and I am glad I have a few left. Some of his special stuff is good if its your flavor. The T110 is also very different from his usual stuff but similar to the El Cohete. Guess there is only so many ways to skin a cat. :r

I will grab a few of these, but I am not looking for a box. It just seems to much work. I will save my box money for CC regionals :r:r:r:r Or just regular production stuff

[Col. Kurtz]

It's all of us cigars "fans/crazies/etc." that are making this more than it needs to be. Figure everything is limited. I don't know of any shop that has EVERY cigar out there. If you can't get it; well see if someone will sell you one. Otherwise; dig into your overloaded humi/cooler/cabinet and enjoy one of your smokes.

Really... it is just cigars guys.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_5IVuN1N6-Y

:r

[Adriftpanda]

It's all about marketing, and it's working well.

EXACTLY!! And we are the one's biting all of this! Lol


I'm over these. **** this BS hype.

[LockOut]

got a call for 2 shops apologizing that even though im high on the lists they are going to do a lotto so its fair for everyone. fair my ass that i busted my ass to get on those lists when i coulda called a day later and had the same chance at a box. So over this bs.

[Ahbroody]

got a call for 2 shops apologizing that even though im high on the lists they are going to do a lotto so its fair for everyone. fair my ass that i busted my ass to get on those lists when i coulda called a day later and had the same chance at a box. So over this bs.

See I guess because I know some of the guys who work at shops and have talked to them I have a different take. I call some of them friends and talk to them outside of the shop. I am guessing what happened is a lot of the locals of these shops said "HEY WTF? I come in here and spend my money every day and you sell these sticks to non locals? Maybe I should support other people instead of you." End of the day local shops live and die by walk in customers, not by people on the other side of the country who only call because they want the special sticks. When these are gone all these guys on wait lists will never buy another stick or not enough to make it worth them screwing there locals who keep their doors open.

I was shocked these local shops were doing lists and screwing their locals. I actually think these shops made a smart business decision by taking care of their loyal and local customers over other persons. It is fair in my book. Its fair to the local customers who keep the shops doors open and buy Petes product throught the year. The reason why they are getting the sticks in the first place. So I think what the shops are doing now is much more fair to their actual true patrons then what was occurring before. Thats why I think Dona at Mission while a pain sometimes is smart. Who does she take care of first? The people that keep her doors open every day. After the people that actually keep her in business are helped then she helps others.

Sorry to disagree but the shops made the smart business decision and are treating their true customers fair in my book

[ActionAndy]

got a call for 2 shops apologizing that even though im high on the lists they are going to do a lotto so its fair for everyone. fair my ass that i busted my ass to get on those lists when i coulda called a day later and had the same chance at a box. So over this bs.


That's a crooked way to do your customers.

[coastietech]

If anyone in the SO FL area is looking to grab a box there is a B&M by the name of Aficionado's that is getting 3 boxes, one of which is already reserved. I don't think he will ship. Just giving you a heads up. :tu

[Guitarman-S.T-]

Well, after my work on Possibly securing a box, it doesnt seem to highly, One shop will not reply, after I was the only person last year that wanted to be ahead on the list for this seasons box.
So my outcome is I am on 1 raffle lol... Wow... we'll see =]

[RightAJ]

Here we go guys!!!

Damn I want it:bh

http://photos-h.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc1/hs262.snc1/8934_1237833699525_1039717942_758385_3698825_n.jpg

aj

[Ahbroody]

See I am a PC max Robusto or CG guy. That stick is way big for my usual style of smoke. That is why I liked the Pork Chop, T110 and El Cohete so much. That stick would take me hours to smoke.

I will definetly be good with a few sticks. If I got a box I would end up selling off sticks.

[Veritas]

End of the day local shops live and die by walk in customers, not by people on the other side of the country who only call because they want the special sticks. When these are gone all these guys on wait lists will never buy another stick or not enough to make it worth them screwing there locals who keep their doors open.

I was shocked these local shops were doing lists and screwing their locals. I actually think these shops made a smart business decision by taking care of their loyal and local customers over other persons. It is fair in my book.

Sorry to disagree but the shops made the smart business decision and are treating their true customers fair in my book
Agreed. I know that if the B&M that I support sold a limited distribution of sought-after sticks to non-locals I would be less likely to buy from them. My state doesn't have the highest tax rate, but it's enough that mail order via Famous or CI is always more economical than buying at the B&M. Even so, I continue to support my local cigar shop. That loyalty should go both ways.

I agree that the retailers should not have changed horses midstream. They should have had a bit more forethought and should not have started taking reservations before offering their regulars an opportunity.
:2

[GreekGodX]

I got one too!! Kinda suprised there wasn't much action on here about NewHavancigars.com having them on their site randomly today. We must be a bunch of cc whores :r

[LeoM]

Haha! guess so! :ss

[colimo]

I got one too!! Kinda suprised there wasn't much action on here about NewHavancigars.com having them on their site randomly today. We must be a bunch of cc whores :r

i tried to find em, but didnt see em on there....the original note made it seem like it was going to go on all day, into the night (drac being a night creature)

had to leave for a bit and came back to find they are all gone....in less than two hours.:mad:....how did you find and get em?
:confused:

[Smokin Gator]

I was outside all day today and missed the whole farkin thing. Luckily I am getting hooked up by a fine BOTL who was on today!!

[colimo]

I was outside all day today and missed the whole farkin thing. Luckily I am getting hooked up by a fine BOTL who was on today!!

damn you brent...:dr

[s15driftking]

i tried to find em, but didnt see em on there....the original note made it seem like it was going to go on all day, into the night (drac being a night creature)

had to leave for a bit and came back to find they are all gone....in less than two hours.:mad:....how did you find and get em?
:confused:

That scavenger hunt idea was a complete dissapointment. I live in Columbus Ohio and when i saw the lucky 13 list i got VERY excited to know that NHC would have them. I surely thought i could procure a box by going down and reserving a box.... Wow, was i wrong. In a nutsehell, they single-handedly ruined the ability to appeal to a local market and gain appreciation from people that live in and around Columbus. Instead they chose to try and build up their PR and visibility by selling them to anyone in the US who would sift through their site..... If you ask me, that kills the "special" factor.

Thanks for nothing. F minus!

[Ahbroody]

Thats why I say shops should have sold to locals. NHC though does a fair amount of online sales though which is why they were willing to do it that way. Most B&Ms are taking care of their locals.

The issue for us out here in Cali is while some local shops will have them. We get raped on taxes so ours will be more expensive then likely anywhere else in the country. I have heard anywhere from 16-18+ a stick. Although it appears the person selling at 18+ is fisting his customers possibly. This number has not been officially confirmed though I dont believe.

[s15driftking]

Thats why I say shops should have sold to locals. NHC though does a fair amount of online sales though which is why they were willing to do it that way. Most B&Ms are taking care of their locals.

The issue for us out here in Cali is while some local shops will have them. We get raped on taxes so ours will be more expensive then likely anywhere else in the country. I have heard anywhere from 16-18+ a stick. Although it appears the person selling at 18+ is fisting his customers possibly. This number has not been officially confirmed though I dont believe.

if the price is higher because of taxes that is fine. If the prices are higher because of the rarity i would ABSOLUTELY report them to Tatuaje. I see it happen all the time with non authorized vendors selling Opus....

[stearns]

im sure im pissing in the wind, but if anyone has a lead on getting a box, or has had recent luck preordering, could you drop me a pm? really want to secure one

stearns

[RightAJ]

im sure im pissing in the wind, but if anyone has a lead on getting a box, or has had recent luck preordering, could you drop me a pm? really want to secure one

stearns

Join the crew... this is becoming very stressful lol

aj

[GreekGodX]

I think you guys just need to be patient and wait until the places that are supposed to get them actually do. They aren't even release yet and everyone is freaking out.

Patience, Patience, Patience.

[havanajohn]

I think you guys just need to be patient and wait until the places that are supposed to get them actually do. They aren't even release yet and everyone is freaking out.

Patience, Patience, Patience.

This is good advice. AND by the way, Pete Johnson is taking advantage of all of this 'Limited Release' stuff... Is this stick REALLY worth 13 dollars? It better be really really good to warrant that kind of price...

[Ahbroody]

I think you guys just need to be patient and wait until the places that are supposed to get them actually do. They aren't even release yet and everyone is freaking out.

Patience, Patience, Patience.
arent you who posted you already got a box by camping out on line. :r You were on your computer sat morning searching a website trying to get a box right?

Not that im trying to get a box cause Im not. Given actions it seems like funny advice. You werent very patient patient patient.

[GreekGodX]

arent you who posted you already got a box by camping out on line. :r You were on your computer sat morning searching a website trying to get a box right?

Not that im trying to get a box cause Im not. Given actions it seems like funny advice. You werent very patient patient patient.

Honestly I was lucky and used my internet savvy to get a box. I was doing other stuff and I logged onto another forum about a minute after someone posted the link to where the box was. In about 5-10 minutes I had a box.

If I didn't login onto that site, I would have missed out on the whole thing. I am in a totally different boat since I already have one locked in but at the same time patience by everyone is what needs to be exercised. :2

[Zanaspus]

AND by the way, Pete Johnson is taking advantage of all of this 'Limited Release' stuff... Is this stick REALLY worth 13 dollars? It better be really really good to warrant that kind of price...

+1

Pete Johnson markets great cigars, but today I vowed to no longer line his pockets through his manufactured scarcity angle. I'm sorry, but holding real cigar lovers hostage is just no way to do business IMHO. I realize I'm a newbie to the cigar world, but not to consumer rights in general.

Everyone enjoy your Pete Johnson products (and I do mean that sincerely), but I, for one, will never purchase another cigar with his name attached to it.

There's plenty of other great smokes out there that are more readily available. :2

[Brooks W]

This is good advice. AND by the way, Pete Johnson is taking advantage of all of this 'Limited Release' stuff... Is this stick REALLY worth 13 dollars? It better be really really good to warrant that kind of price...

The prerelease I smoked was worth $13 for sure...and more...

~brooks

[newlifetaxidermy]

+1

Pete Johnson markets great cigars, but today I vowed to no longer line his pockets through his manufactured scarcity angle. I'm sorry, but holding real cigar lovers hostage is just no way to do business IMHO. I realize I'm a newbie to the cigar world, but not to consumer rights in general.

Everyone enjoy your Pete Johnson products (and I do mean that sincerely), but I, for one, will never purchase another cigar with his name attached to it.

There's plenty of other great smokes out there that are more readily available. :2

Don't know if I'm willing to never buy another PJ product, but I am not falling for the hype. If one uses a clear head and logic, you will see that this is nothing more than a hype machine. It is pitting customers against their local B&Ms (cause they sold a box over the phone) and causing grown men to run around like little kids trying to get ahold of one of those Furbees (remember those?). That is a sad reflection on the industry.

Gents (and ladies), I will continue to enjoy fine cigars and not fall for a bunch of hype. Won't you join me in "just saying no" to hype and yes to enjoying cigars for what they are and not the hype attached to them?

[Col. Kurtz]

Agreed James.

I rarely agree with Lew Rothman, but as far as LE stuff goes he's hit it on the head. It's only LE because the Mfg. says it is. Pete could easily roll out 250,000 more Vamps or whatever they are. But why bother if you can clear the same profit with less overhead?

Marketing works. Hype works. The B&M's have to love this stuff too!

I for one have written off PJ's stuff. I have only had two that didn't have wrapper issues. Of those two, only one was good. I've spent too much money trying to like his stuff because someone on a board somewhere said they were the second coming of Che. $13.00 per stick? That puts you into "rare air" for the "real" stuff.

Just my free opinion, and not worth the cost I'm sure.

Fire suit donned, embers stoked.

[acarr]

+1

Pete Johnson markets great cigars, but today I vowed to no longer line his pockets through his manufactured scarcity angle. I'm sorry, but holding real cigar lovers hostage is just no way to do business IMHO. I realize I'm a newbie to the cigar world, but not to consumer rights in general.

Everyone enjoy your Pete Johnson products (and I do mean that sincerely), but I, for one, will never purchase another cigar with his name attached to it.

There's plenty of other great smokes out there that are more readily available. :2

I am with you and won't be buying anymore of his produts.

[SkinsFanLarry]

"Gents (and ladies), I will continue to enjoy fine cigars and not fall for a bunch of hype. Won't you join me in "just saying no" to hype and yes to enjoying cigars for what they are and not the hype attached to them?"

"Marketing works. Hype works. $13.00 per stick?"


You could compare this to the guys out there that think CC's are the next best thing since sliced bread....and you know darn good and well they are paying more than that per stick for those CC's and are lucky if 25% of what they buy is legit!

The less people buy of his product the more there is for the smoker's that enjoy them, same goses for DPG and Dion's fine cigars.

Just my opinion or :2

[newlifetaxidermy]

Never paid $13 for a CC, but my gripe is not with the price of the cigar. My gripe is that Pete plays on cigar smokers emotions to cause a frenzy about a product that is only limited because he says it is limited. When that causes hard feelings between B&M owners and their customers or between BOTLs, then we should ALL be angry at his marketing ploy. We have enough to deal with fighting the government (taxes & legislation) and the anti-smoking crowd. We don't need internal conflict....PERIOD.

[duckmanco]

Never paid $13 for a CC, but my gripe is not with the price of the cigar. My gripe is that Pete plays on cigar smokers emotions to cause a frenzy about a product that is only limited because he says it is limited. When that causes hard feelings between B&M owners and their customers or between BOTLs, then we should ALL be angry at his marketing ploy. We have enough to deal with fighting the government (taxes & legislation) and the anti-smoking crowd. We don't need internal conflict....PERIOD.

Yup, its manufactured controlled rarity, I don't care what anyone says.... its marketing hype to stoke the fires found deep within fanboys hearts... and from the looks of the boards, its working. Don't get me wrong, I love the taste of the Noellas, but clamoring for a $13.00 cigar just seems odd.

[Col. Kurtz]

....

You could compare this to the guys out there that think CC's are the next best thing since sliced bread....and you know darn good and well they are paying more than that per stick for those CC's and are lucky if 25% of what they buy is legit!

....

Hey Larry,

I rather enjoy cc's, as you know. I rarely pay more than $8-10 per stick, and it has to have a darned good rep. for that price.

Could you elaborate on the 75% fake figure?

I also enjoy DPG smokes and Padron. Just have had nothing but bad luck from PJ's products (yes I know Pepin makes them). My aversion to his products is my personal experience with bad quality, unfavorable taste (for me) and relatively high price. Thelatest Vamp hype was just "another nail in the coffin" if you will... :D

[shilala]

I, personally, am not a fan of Pete's cigars. He and I just share a different taste. I've tried pretty much everything and haven't found a keeper yet.
So far as the hype goes, I think it's fun.
It brings a special excitement to the hobby and the industry that's much lacking. The kidsy, "Furbee" atmosphere surrounding the Dracs is supposed to be fun. I'm looking forward to trying the cigar just to see if they suck. :)
Then I can say they suck, and that'll be fun, too.
Plus if I can get a few boxes, it'll be fun sharing them here.
I suppose it's easier to be objective whenit really doesn't matter to me whether I get them or not. :)
I do think that despite the fact that the "manufactured scarcity" is real, it's intent is to make fun, not to make guys angry. If you'll take time to watch some of Pete's interviews and get a feel for the kind of guy he is, I'm sure anyone would come away with the same impression. :tu

[pfm721]

I don't get all the animosity over the limited nature of this product. It's not a regular line and to lump all his lines together as being subject to manufactured scarcity is unfair. I find that his regular lines are readily accessible. Ultimately I think it falls on the consumer when this much hype is generated, Pete can't generate this hype all on his own. Plenty of other manufacturers release seasonal, limited edition, etc. smokes and rarely do you see this sort of reaction. I think its unfair to lay all the blame on a manufacturer who chooses to release a limited production smoke.

[coastietech]

I, personally, am not a fan of Pete's cigars. He and I just share a different taste. I've tried pretty much everything and haven't found a keeper yet.
So far as the hype goes, I think it's fun.
It brings a special excitement to the hobby and the industry that's much lacking. The kidsy, "Furbee" atmosphere surrounding the Dracs is supposed to be fun. I'm looking forward to trying the cigar just to see if they suck. :)
Then I can say they suck, and that'll be fun, too.
Plus if I can get a few boxes, it'll be fun sharing them here.
I suppose it's easier to be objective whenit really doesn't matter to me whether I get them or not. :)
I do think that despite the fact that the "manufactured scarcity" is real, it's intent is to make fun, not to make guys angry. If you'll take time to watch some of Pete's interviews and get a feel for the kind of guy he is, I'm sure anyone would come away with the same impression. :tu

I don't get all the animosity over the limited nature of this product. It's not a regular line and to lump all his lines together as being subject to manufactured scarcity is unfair. I find that his regular lines are readily accessible. Ultimately I think it falls on the consumer when this much hype is generated, Pete can't generate this hype all on his own. Plenty of other manufacturers release seasonal, limited edition, etc. smokes and rarely do you see this sort of reaction. I think its unfair to lay all the blame on a manufacturer who chooses to release a limited production smoke.

I have to agree with these two posts...

How come no one *****es about the Liberty series, or the Master Blends? With every hobby you have a group of people that not only enjoy the activity but also enjoy collecting things that few others have.

Not to mention it's not really that hard to score a box. Come on if a newb like me can score a box it can't be that hard.

[Brooks W]

I don't get all the animosity over the limited nature of this product. It's not a regular line and to lump all his lines together as being subject to manufactured scarcity is unfair. I find that his regular lines are readily accessible. Ultimately I think it falls on the consumer when this much hype is generated, Pete can't generate this hype all on his own. Plenty of other manufacturers release seasonal, limited edition, etc. smokes and rarely do you see this sort of reaction. I think its unfair to lay all the blame on a manufacturer who chooses to release a limited production smoke.

Yep.

~brooks

[lakeside toker]

I saw grown men on another site act like the world was coming to an end because they could not get a box of "Dracs". Most probably never smoked one and were willings to buy them site or scent unseen. To me that is a hype that was genius on the part of Pete. I myself think that his products are over priced for the hit or miss quality.

[doctorcue]

Used to be the same way with Opus, Anejo's, etc. Amazes me how people go crazy for these cigars. Go outside, light up a stick, and relax.

[duckmanco]

I don't get all the animosity over the limited nature of this product. It's not a regular line and to lump all his lines together as being subject to manufactured scarcity is unfair. I find that his regular lines are readily accessible. Ultimately I think it falls on the consumer when this much hype is generated, Pete can't generate this hype all on his own. Plenty of other manufacturers release seasonal, limited edition, etc. smokes and rarely do you see this sort of reaction. I think its unfair to lay all the blame on a manufacturer who chooses to release a limited production smoke.

I don't know, I don't think its animosity at all, just a civil disagreement with how "limited" these are marketed. I share the same feeling toward most anything "limited" in the cigar world, especially Opus X. More for you guys for sure, and as always smoke what you like and like what you smoke.

[SkinsFanLarry]

I don't get all the animosity over the limited nature of this product. It's not a regular line and to lump all his lines together as being subject to manufactured scarcity is unfair. I find that his regular lines are readily accessible. Ultimately I think it falls on the consumer when this much hype is generated, Pete can't generate this hype all on his own. Plenty of other manufacturers release seasonal, limited edition, etc. smokes and rarely do you see this sort of reaction. I think its unfair to lay all the blame on a manufacturer who chooses to release a limited production smoke.

I'm with you 100% Patrick! :tu

Good post my brother! :tu

[Dukeuni]

Just a note: Call around to many o the "other listed" retailers. I think most know what they will be getting now, and some of these places are really small, mall stop type of places, and have not been bombarded by phone calls yet. I called a smaller mall store tobacco shop that was listed, they said they are getting two boxes, and put one box aside for me. They actually called me back and were excited that I wanted to purchase a full box.

[stearns]

they trying to sell the other box and ship? :rolleyes:

stearns

[LockOut]

just got naother call, "we arent getting enough dracs to sel lboxes so we are doing smaplers no sellnig individuals, to get dracs you have to buy 150 dollars worth of other tat sticks in a smapler". ****ing bull****. just one more list i was on trying to bend me over a barrel to make money.

[Ahbroody]

Lockout I may be able to get some. If I do they will run about 20 ish due to california 40% tobacco tax and 9% sales tax. taxes!!!!!!!! I will see if I can get some then hit you up. No guarentees because at this point I am officially over this stick and am not waiting in line to get any.

[Col. Kurtz]

Hey Larry,

I rather enjoy cc's, as you know. I rarely pay more than $8-10 per stick, and it has to have a darned good rep. for that price.

Could you elaborate on the 75% fake figure?

....

....
You could compare this to the guys out there that think CC's are the next best thing since sliced bread....and you know darn good and well they are paying more than that per stick for those CC's and are lucky if 25% of what they buy is legit!
.....


Bump for the question.

Anyone?


I just smoked a really good fake RyJ corona and would like to know how to get more. :D

[Ahbroody]

Yeah I like Larry, but I cant follow that logic.
I know most Botls here know who is an authorized HSA distributor and they use them. These same vendors are used by botls in europe that I know. Now maybe if they are buying them from a local guy then they are geting hosed, but thats not who were are talking about I dont think.

A 13 CC is a rare stick. Most are less then that, many good standards are half that price and you are not paying taxes on them. For me these are 20.00 sticks and at that price we are talking RA Estupendos and other rare items.

Dont know I cant give much help here

[Hudaddy]

Yeah I like Larry, but I cant follow that logic.
I know most Botls here know who is an authorized HSA distributor and they use them. These same vendors are used by botls in europe that I know. Now maybe if they are buying them from a local guy then they are geting hosed, but thats not who were are talking about I dont think.

A 13 CC is a rare stick. Most are less then that, many good standards are half that price and you are not paying taxes on them. For me these are 20.00 sticks and at that price we are talking RA Estupendos and other rare items.

Dont know I cant give much help here

Tats are my favorites, but these days, I smoke CCs more often. Tat browns are like higher end CCs, expensive and a treat.

[Beagleone]

I got my box today! Pictures coming after lunch.

[replicant_argent]

just got naother call, "we arent getting enough dracs to sel lboxes so we are doing smaplers no sellnig individuals, to get dracs you have to buy 150 dollars worth of other tat sticks in a smapler". ****ing bull****. just one more list i was on trying to bend me over a barrel to make money.

That also means "We are opening all of our boxes to check for the golden ticket, because the boss would love a new Ducati, and we can then bend you fanboys over for an even higher margin. Have a nice day."

[chenvt]

Good stick + excellent marketing and working on supply vs. demand.. That bout sums it up.. I've had the blacks and the franks, and given the amount of effort required to get dracs, it's a stick I'd like to try, but I basically called half the 13 retailers and either got:

-gotta buy X amount to buy dracs
-lottery
-scavenger hunt (my second favorite)
-personal fav: "Become a fan" on facebook and there will be a lottery after our top customers get first dibs.. SWEET!


So yeah, after that I went and bought something else

[chenvt]

That also means "We are opening all of our boxes to check for the golden ticket, because the boss would love a new Ducati, and we can then bend you fanboys over for an even higher margin. Have a nice day."

LOL Pete.. If a B&M gets it (which wouldn't surprise me), that'll be hilarious

[replicant_argent]

scavenger hunt???? What the heck does that mean, Daniel?

[chenvt]

scavenger hunt???? What the heck does that mean, Daniel?

One shop did the "Spooky Scavenger Hunt" where you had to be on their site surfing the Pete Johnson cigar areas at a certain time and something randomly pops up for you to buy the dracs... That's just what I was told over the phone

[s15driftking]

that also means "we are opening all of our boxes to check for the golden ticket, because the boss would love a new ducati, and we can then bend you fanboys over for an even higher margin. Have a nice day."

quoted for truth!!!

[s15driftking]

One shop did the "Spooky Scavenger Hunt" where you had to be on their site surfing the Pete Johnson cigar areas at a certain time and something randomly pops up for you to buy the dracs... That's just what I was told over the phone

yep, i (semi-professionally) posted my dissatisfaction on that local Columbus Ohio B&M's facebook webpage and he deleted it without even trying to acknowledge it, etc... what a piece of horse dung.

[chenvt]

yep, i (semi-professionally) posted my dissatisfaction on that local Columbus Ohio B&M's facebook webpage and he deleted it without even trying to acknowledge it, etc... what a piece of horse dung.

Shops can do what they want... like I said, just wasn't worth the effort of making sure I'm home at my PC on what was an awesome Saturday afternoon :D

[acarr]

Bribery is the name of the game and it will cost you a little more but if you really want them, that is what it is gonna take.

[mrreindeer]

nice....I'm waiting to get my email notification that one of the local B&M's is selling 'em...I'm on the list...wonder what'll happen.

[marge796]

yep, i (semi-professionally) posted my dissatisfaction on that local Columbus Ohio B&M's facebook webpage and he deleted it without even trying to acknowledge it, etc... what a piece of horse dung.


:tu


I read about this, what a knuckle head!!!

[LockOut]

they dont care what people think, they are going to sell out of dracs either way with such a high demand. They dont care if they piss people off our lie to people. money is money to them.

[RightAJ]

Got a message from Holts saying they were in, so I call back and they're gone.

Sooooo pissed right now... I pity the next person to bother me:fl

aj

[Ahbroody]

Lo Lo
Well now is the time to jump on petes next stick I guess. I heard something about a tubo? and blacks being released soon. Quick everyone. Lets run around with our hair on fire again.

So done with this ****

[stearns]

i agree, im done with running around with my hair on fire as well

however, im still gonna keep trying to get these sticks. the thrill of the hunt, or something like that

stearns

[Hendy]

Lo Lo
Well now is the time to jump on petes next stick I guess. I heard something about a tubo? and blacks being released soon. Quick everyone. Lets run around with our hair on fire again.

So done with this ****

There is the Black Tubo and the Verocu Tubo coming out in November. Much more of a release though.

Also, heard that the first ticket was found in Texas. Some kid named Augustas Glute.

[kzm007]

lol :) made me smile, Scott.

To quote miss Veruca Salt, "I want it now!"

[Pilon]

I supposedly still have my name on the RI store list. I'm hoping to pick up a box of Boris too. I know the owner, but you never know. I'm not even bothering calling him to see if I'm still on the list. I'm showing up at noon on Halloween and he's either selling me the boxes or not. Way too much hype just for a box of cigars.

[njstone]

LOL Pete.. If a B&M gets it (which wouldn't surprise me), that'll be hilarious

Pete has always said that he's fine with a B&M winning a ticket ... it's unavoidable, as many are opening all their boxes to sell as singles or (ggggggrrr.....) put them in over-priced samplers@!

I'm suprised at how many B&Ms are getting away with charging so much MORE than MSRP for these. My buddy just got a box of Dracs at $19.95/stick and Boris at $18.50/stick. Tax was added AFTER that! That's just wrong, and I hope Pete doesn't ship those guys Monsters in the future!

[njstone]

There is the Black Tubo and the Verocu Tubo coming out in November. Much more of a release though.

Also, heard that the first ticket was found in Texas. Some kid named Augustas Glute.

Yep, and a buddy of mine on the CigarBid forum got a Spooky Ticket too, #13!! That's at least 2 down.

[chenvt]

Pete has always said that he's fine with a B&M winning a ticket ... it's unavoidable, as many are opening all their boxes to sell as singles or (ggggggrrr.....) put them in over-priced samplers@!

I'm suprised at how many B&Ms are getting away with charging so much MORE than MSRP for these. My buddy just got a box of Dracs at $19.95/stick and Boris at $18.50/stick. Tax was added AFTER that! That's just wrong, and I hope Pete doesn't ship those guys Monsters in the future!

Yeah I got a call on a box of dracs from the one place I gave my info on a wait list.. it was $198 for the box shipped.. booooo

[Mr.Goodfella]

I supposedly still have my name on the RI store list. I'm hoping to pick up a box of Boris too. I know the owner, but you never know. I'm not even bothering calling him to see if I'm still on the list. I'm showing up at noon on Halloween and he's either selling me the boxes or not. Way too much hype just for a box of cigars.
I will see you there, my box is confirmed:banger

[KDKLOSS]

Got a message from Holts saying they were in, so I call back and they're gone.

Sooooo pissed right now... I pity the next person to bother me:fl

aj

At least you got the message. I gave them my email address and they never emailed me. That's ok because there are so many more cigars on my want to have list that missing out on these isn't even going to be a dissapointment. I might not shop at Holts for a while though. I've averaged one or two boxes from them for the past 4 or 5 months though so it's their loss not mine.

[GreekGodX]

I wanna know where da gold at?!?

Oh wait wrong thread :lv

I wanna know where da dracs at?!? Im hitting the local stores tomorrow to check them out. Said they would call me but something tells me they are going to forget :rolleyes:

[Mr.Goodfella]

Got back to back phone calls from MD and NJ :dance:

[DPD6030]

I wanna know where da gold at?!?

Oh wait wrong thread :lv

I wanna know where da dracs at?!? Im hitting the local stores tomorrow to check them out. Said they would call me but something tells me they are going to forget :rolleyes:

If you find a few pick one up for me. I'll buy it or trade ya a stick for it. :tu

[GreekGodX]

If you find a few pick one up for me. I'll buy it or trade ya a stick for it. :tu

I think I can accommodate you ;)

[colimo]

If you find a few pick one up for me. I'll buy it or trade ya a stick for it. :tu

I think I can accommodate you ;)

me too!! me too!!!!...please kind sir...:ss

[tobii3]

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y198/tobii3/LFDEvent004.jpg

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y198/tobii3/LFDEvent005.jpg

Does that help any??

[kelmac07]

I wasn't to drawn by the Pete Johnson marketing scheme. But after seeing them...damnit...now I have to find one of each!!

[Starz26]

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y198/tobii3/LFDEvent004.jpg

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y198/tobii3/LFDEvent005.jpg

Does that help any??

:dr

OMG, if U are selling a box of the boris PM me!!!

nice pick up

[tobii3]

WHOA!!!

Please don't misunderstand - I took the pics - I didn't purchase!!!

These were at Empire when we had the LFD Event yesterday...and there are still some left......

[s15driftking]

sans golden tickets right?

[stearns]

go git some! what kinda prices are they charging on boxes/singles?

stearns

[tobii3]

you still see the unopened box to the right, don'tcha??

Possibility is STILL there!!

:banger

[Starz26]

Just called, they said they (Boris) were all gone

[Pilon]

Just an FYI because I know alot of folks are getting irritated with the "unlucky 13" retailers. The Regency Cigar Emporium in RI does have a list and I am confirmed on the list. I asked why people who were calling in had to order a box of other Tat's before being able to purchase a box of Dracs or Boris. He is a businessman and business has been bad for a lot of folks. You can't blame him for trying to increase sales on an already hyped product. Existing customers, customers that have purchased from him before, are not required to buy a box of something else before buying the box of Dracs or Boris.

I am not a spokesman for Regency, only a customer of several years.

I will be purchasing a box of Dracs and hopefully can land my hands on a box of Boris as well. I am giving 5 Dracs to Walter (Klipsch) and keeping 5 for myself. The last 3 will go to some folks here (Andrew already has dibbs on one). Not sure what I am going to do with the Boris until I know I can get them. I also received a flyer from Regency in the mail saying they will be giving free Tat Blacks with box purchases, not sure if thats in-store only or for the mail-outs too. I thought these weren't supposed to go on sale until Halloween day but I guess some people just can't read the :rlz

[DPD6030]

Thanks Travis :tu

[Ahbroody]

Spoke to local shop they are getting them on tuesday and will likely put them forsale on tuesday. Apparently east coasters were shipped to first. West coast last

[stearns]

Spoke to local shop they are getting them on tuesday and will likely put them forsale on tuesday. Apparently east coasters were shipped to first. West coast last

east>west :D:D

stearns

[Ahbroody]

east>west :D:D

stearns

Yup
crime>
Ugly factor>
bad weather>
and a lot more. You stay over there, I will stay over here in the land of sunshine and hot chicks and great smoking weather all time. Mid 70s today thinking its time to go outside and have a smoke :r Yes though the East Coast does seem to get preference in the cigar world.

[tobii3]

You live in San Jose and are trying to BRAG???

:r:r:r

http://i.treehugger.com/images/2007/10/24/san%20jose%20aerial%20view.jpg

Oh yeah....we're jealous.... :D

[klipsch]

Just an FYI because I know alot of folks are getting irritated with the "unlucky 13" retailers. The Regency Cigar Emporium in RI does have a list and I am confirmed on the list. I asked why people who were calling in had to order a box of other Tat's before being able to purchase a box of Dracs or Boris. He is a businessman and business has been bad for a lot of folks. You can't blame him for trying to increase sales on an already hyped product. Existing customers, customers that have purchased from him before, are not required to buy a box of something else before buying the box of Dracs or Boris.
I'm calling in a favor, and I'm prepared to show up with some Tat's that the Regency has only heard about, in an effort to bribe my way onto the Reserve List...lol.
I do know of several people that already have Drac's and Boris' sitting comfortably in their humi's...the bastards...lol.

[Pilon]

Walter....go to bed. lol

[Ahbroody]

You live in San Jose and are trying to BRAG???

:r:r:r

http://i.treehugger.com/images/2007/10/24/san%20jose%20aerial%20view.jpg

Oh yeah....we're jealous.... :D

Yup consistently one of the safest big cities in the country, great weather, beautiful women, close to the beach. Sorry I guess you dont like those things my mistake.

As to the Dracs and Boris if you are in the bay area Mission says they are in on Tuesday Should be on the counter on Tuesday night. As to those not in the area they are going to be pricey because of taxes and she likely wont be doing any phone sales for days as she wants to sell them locally.

[tobii3]

...they are going to be pricey because of taxes ...

NOW I remember why I left Monterey County.

And Broody, don't try selling the fairy tale, y'all got the same amount of SeaDonkeys as the rest of the US.

:r

[Ahbroody]

SeaDonkeys

:r :r

Yeah taxes are harsh. Hey someone has to pay for all the free shiet out here.

[Guitarman-S.T-]

Just got a message from my hook up while I was at work ( There Here! First come First serve)

Needless to say they sold out. I was the only one that wanted to be an a continues list from last years purchase... Talked with them months ago, and they just.. Do that?!

Wow, SOOO done with my feelings of having a box of the Monster series per year ;)
"There all yours"
Muahahahahaha ( evil laugh) Muahahahaha!!

[wavescrashing]

The Dracs weren't too hard to get, but the Boris seems like a unicorn. Maybe you have to believe in vampires to get one.

[Guitarman-S.T-]

no boris for me wanted the dracs, But now want nothin to do with the Tat' craze

[colimo]

The Dracs weren't too hard to get, but the Boris seems like a unicorn. Maybe you have to believe in vampires to get one.


where, how did you get em?

[wavescrashing]

Well, They released the retailer lists the day after Columbus Day, so I was returning off of a 3 day holiday and didn't have to be at work till noon. Once the list got released at 10 AM my time, I called a few shops, all secondary retailers, and they had spots open. I got mine from a shop in Sacramento.

[s15driftking]

no boris for me wanted the dracs, But now want nothin to do with the Tat' craze

QFT

[coastietech]

I don't understand what the issue is...


I've called about 15 shops out of the 200+ additional shops on the list of B&M getting them and they are all getting 3-4 boxes and haven't even had anyone ask for them yet.

They aren't that hard to find. I'm a damn newbie and I have a box reserved to pick up this week. A little leg work and they can be found and purchased.

[Jfire]

I don't understand what the issue is...


I've called about 15 shops out of the 200+ additional shops on the list of B&M getting them and they are all getting 3-4 boxes and haven't even had anyone ask for them yet.

They aren't that hard to find. I'm a damn newbie and I have a box reserved to pick up this week. A little leg work and they can be found and purchased.

Well so far I called for 3 hrs on the 13th. Got on several list and was told adios. No biggie it happens. Then called the secondary shops in IL that are getting them. " I am getting them, no kidding thanks for the heads up. "Maybe I can sell you some after the 1st of Nov if there are any left."
Then did the 2 hr scavenger hunt on e retailer saturday. In the cart 3x. So saying a "little leg work and they can be found" All I know is IL has alot of Tat whores and there hard to find to say the least. Having said this i dont even mention the 2 names anymore. Just mo.
(its ok though cause evertime I look into the vinos I get to look at a box of T110s, Sw Maddies, Noella Res, Noella Regios Res, Cab OR, and a bunch of sticks that are rarer then those currently being sold):tu

[GreekGodX]

I don't understand what the issue is...


I've called about 15 shops out of the 200+ additional shops on the list of B&M getting them and they are all getting 3-4 boxes and haven't even had anyone ask for them yet.

They aren't that hard to find. I'm a damn newbie and I have a box reserved to pick up this week. A little leg work and they can be found and purchased.

:tpd: I believe I already said this too. We are creating a lot of the hype around these cigars by calling the stores and asking about them. Just because a limited amount of people, spread around the country, on a cigar forum know about them doesn't mean the rest of the nation does. Once they hit local shelves I think it will be easy to get them :2

The key thing is you might have to pay a premium price and you need to be patient :tu

[s15driftking]

A little leg work and they can be found and purchased.

Bro, this is totally after-the-fact....

and if you still persist... then answer me three questions...

1. Do you agree with Pete's allowance of shop owners/workers to win the ducati because they opened all the boxes prior?

2. Do you agree with Pete's allowance of the Local B&M's allowance to sell them online and ruin, RUIN the excitement of the "locallized" luckiness of having a nearby B&M that got the first initial shipment?

3. Do you agree with Pete's allowance/tolerance for B&M's charging more than the afforementioned 13.00 per-stick pricetag that was publicly announced before theyshipped?


_______________________

I don't own Tatuaje, so i cannot control these things, I don't own one of the shops that sells them so I cannot control those things as well.

But what I can control is my continuation of purchasing a product that lacks integrity and class.... And I don't associate with those people...



......unless I'm in Vegas

[Slavac]

I'm confused by one thing that hopefully someone with a more advanced business degree than my measly BA can answer: why such a fuss about stores charging X over MSRP for a product?

I've worked two retail jobs and have never heard of a manufacturer berating a retailer for selling their product OVER MSRP.

[s15driftking]

I'm confused by one thing that hopefully someone with a more advanced business degree than my measly BA can answer: why such a fuss about stores charging X over MSRP for a product?

I've worked two retail jobs and have never heard of a manufacturer berating a retailer for selling their product OVER MSRP.

In a Niche-like special event situation (this being halloween) like a "monster series" it looks bad if your 13.00 dollar cigar sells for more than 13.00 dollars considering the number 13 is used repeatedly in trends of the event.... Kinda ruins it you know?

[Slavac]

In a Niche-like special event situation (this being halloween) like a "monster series" it looks bad if your 13.00 dollar cigar sells for more than 13.00 dollars considering the number 13 is used repeatedly in trends of the event.... Kinda ruins it you know?

I get the cuteness of releasing 13xxx boxes to 13 stores while he had 13 pennies in his left pocket while wearing only one size 13 shoe while walking down 31st street (he had dyslexia :() but I don't think it's a matter of contention.

Capitalism being what it is, stores are as free to raise their prices however far they want as you are similarly free to shop at other venues. All this talk of price gouging is just absurd.

[Dukeuni]

My take on the pricing.

I have a read a lot of things about Pete Johnson. He seems to be a great guy, and someone who believes in B&M's. He seems pretty strict concerning MSRP, and I believe The Party Source got in trouble one time for posting prices far lower then MSRP for some of his sticks (It could have been about another manufacturer).

My take: If you are going to be upset at retailers for selling your product for lower then MSRP, then you should also be upset and take action against retailers selling your product above MSRP. While we have the choice what retailers to buy from, I think Pete also has the choice as to who sells his product. It would be easy for him to tell retailers that if they do not sell it at a certain price, he will not sell to them. Of course, this only works if people actually want to buy and sell his product. But so far, Tat is a product that many retailers want to sell- as shown by the craze caused by these limited edition cigars.

[Slavac]

My take on the pricing.

I have a read a lot of things about Pete Johnson. He seems to be a great guy, and someone who believes in B&M's. He seems pretty strict concerning MSRP, and I believe The Party Source got in trouble one time for posting prices far lower then MSRP for some of his sticks (It could have been about another manufacturer).

My take: If you are going to be upset at retailers for selling your product for lower then MSRP, then you should also be upset and take action against retailers selling your product above MSRP. While we have the choice what retailers to buy from, I think Pete also has the choice as to who sells his product. It would be easy for him to tell retailers that if they do not sell it at a certain price, he will not sell to them. Of course, this only works if people actually want to buy and sell his product. But so far, Tat is a product that many retailers want to sell- as shown by the craze caused by these limited edition cigars.

True, but bear in mind that the very definition of MSRP is Manufacturers Suggested Retail Price. The MSRP is typically put in place to establish a baseline worth (price point) for a particular item.

[newlifetaxidermy]

I thought MSRP was Manufacturers Suggested Retail Price

[Slavac]

I thought MSRP was Manufacturers Suggested Retail Price

Doh, fixed. Too much moot court :/

[Kreth]

I hear next year Pete will be taking a page from the Scotty Cameron school of marketing. Limited Edition "mummy wrapping" cello, numbered 1-1000, with an MSRP of $40. :r
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[Guitarman-S.T-]

I hear next year Pete will be taking a page from the Scotty Cameron school of marketing. Limited Edition "mummy wrapping" cello, numbered 1-1000, with an MSRP of $40. :r
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Hahaha wow, I wouldnt expect any different :banger
The guy has some cash :su to throw around, to say the least after all this L.E's... Hell, the Whole BRAND should be limited editions, so i can refuse buying ANY in the future :banger
-Only by doing so giving you guys more of course ;)

[coastietech]

Bro, this is totally after-the-fact....

and if you still persist... then answer me three questions...

1. Do you agree with Pete's allowance of shop owners/workers to win the ducati because they opened all the boxes prior?

2. Do you agree with Pete's allowance of the Local B&M's allowance to sell them online and ruin, RUIN the excitement of the "locallized" luckiness of having a nearby B&M that got the first initial shipment?

3. Do you agree with Pete's allowance/tolerance for B&M's charging more than the afforementioned 13.00 per-stick pricetag that was publicly announced before theyshipped?


_______________________

I don't own Tatuaje, so i cannot control these things, I don't own one of the shops that sells them so I cannot control those things as well.

But what I can control is my continuation of purchasing a product that lacks integrity and class.... And I don't associate with those people...



......unless I'm in Vegas

Bro your talking to the wrong person. I enjoy LE... I pretty much go after any LE item that falls into my hobby that I can. I go out of my way to buy LE and C&R guns because it's stuff that few other people have.

The only reason I have an issue with B&M being eligible for the Ducati is because it means they will open up all the boxes. Should I plan on collecting them it diminishes the value to have the seal on the box already broken. I've already spoken to my B&M and requested a sealed box and had no problem getting him to agree to that.

For you to call someone classless and say they lack integrity because they are able to create a hype about their product and whine because you can't find a box is not only childish but pretty ignorant.

As for the MSRP, every product in the world has an MSRP and it's just that a "suggest price." Doesn't mean it has to be sold at that price. Hell many factors come in to play. A B&M in NY has a much higher tax and much higher rent than a B&M in FL so they have to charge more.

You pay to play, it's that simple. Stop whining. If you don't want it don't buy it. If you do then do the leg work find a box and pay the price.

Funny how people look at cigars differently than they do every other product out there. I don't see anyone on the board complaining about LE cars, guns, guitars, or any other LE product. Ask any musician on this board who collects an instrument what they would do for a LE. Ask a surfer who collects boards what he would do for a LE board. People collect thing and LE makes the collector enjoy the hobby. If you don't like it buy the regular production stuff and stop whining.

This is ridiculous!!

[Hendy]

Bro your talking to the wrong person. I enjoy LE... I pretty much go after any LE item that falls into my hobby that I can. I go out of my way to buy LE and C&R guns because it's stuff that few other people have.

The only reason I have an issue with B&M being eligible for the Ducati is because it means they will open up all the boxes. Should I plan on collecting them it diminishes the value to have the seal on the box already broken. I've already spoken to my B&M and requested a sealed box and had no problem getting him to agree to that.

For you to call someone classless and say they lack integrity because they are able to create a hype about their product and whine because you can't find a box is not only childish but pretty ignorant.

As for the MSRP, every product in the world has an MSRP and it's just that a "suggest price." Doesn't mean it has to be sold at that price. Hell many factors come in to play. A B&M in NY has a much higher tax and much higher rent than a B&M in FL so they have to charge more.

You pay to play, it's that simple. Stop whining. If you don't want it don't buy it. If you do then do the leg work find a box and pay the price.

Funny how people look at cigars differently than they do every other product out there. I don't see anyone on the board complaining about LE cars, guns, guitars, or any other LE product. Ask any musician on this board who collects an instrument what they would do for a LE. Ask a surfer who collects boards what he would do for a LE board. People collect thing and LE makes the collector enjoy the hobby. If you don't like it buy the regular production stuff and stop whining.

This is ridiculous!!

I have to agree with you bro. I was pretty scorned when I could not get a box. And I know Pete personally. But, at the end of the day, LE's in any form are what they are. It's up to you if you want them or not. Price becomes mute at that point.

[s15driftking]

Bro your talking to the wrong person. I enjoy LE... I pretty much go after any LE item that falls into my hobby that I can. I go out of my way to buy LE and C&R guns because it's stuff that few other people have.

The only reason I have an issue with B&M being eligible for the Ducati is because it means they will open up all the boxes. Should I plan on collecting them it diminishes the value to have the seal on the box already broken. I've already spoken to my B&M and requested a sealed box and had no problem getting him to agree to that.

For you to call someone classless and say they lack integrity because they are able to create a hype about their product and whine because you can't find a box is not only childish but pretty ignorant.

As for the MSRP, every product in the world has an MSRP and it's just that a "suggest price." Doesn't mean it has to be sold at that price. Hell many factors come in to play. A B&M in NY has a much higher tax and much higher rent than a B&M in FL so they have to charge more.

You pay to play, it's that simple. Stop whining. If you don't want it don't buy it. If you do then do the leg work find a box and pay the price.

Funny how people look at cigars differently than they do every other product out there. I don't see anyone on the board complaining about LE cars, guns, guitars, or any other LE product. Ask any musician on this board who collects an instrument what they would do for a LE. Ask a surfer who collects boards what he would do for a LE board. People collect thing and LE makes the collector enjoy the hobby. If you don't like it buy the regular production stuff and stop whining.

This is ridiculous!!

what?

[LockOut]

Corona Cigar bar in orlando just called me. no boxes but willing to sell 2 dracs and 2 borris at direct MSRP. Props to them for not screwing me (no monster samplers hurray) and being fair since they only got 5 boxes of each.

[coastietech]

what?

Thank you for proving my point.

[coastietech]

Now this I do have an issue with. Basically forcing a customer to buy something they may not want to get a "chance" to get something that they want is coniving. I used to go to this B&M, trust me when I say they won't be seeing any of my money again.

Due to the overwhelming demand for the Tatuaje Monster Series cigars we want to be fair to all of our good patrons who order from us.
During Smoke Inn's Tatuaje Event we will allocate the Monster Series cigars by giving out raffle tickets to patrons who take advantage of the following deals we will offer during the day of the event to have an opportunity to purchase a box of the Monster Series cigars.

Buy Tatuaje Brown Label, Red Label, Cabaiguan, Cabaiguan Maduro, Ambos Mubos, La Riqueza during the event and receive the following:
Buy 1 Box of Tatuaje Brand Cigars: Get a Tatuaje Hat, Lapel Pin, Patch, Tatuaje Buzz Cutter and a 3 Pack of Tatuaje Black cigars plus 5 raffle tickets. Over $100 in FREE Goods!
Buy 2 Boxes of Tatuaje Brand Cigars: Receive all of the above free goods plus a Tatuaje Pimp Hammer and an additional 3 Pack of Tatuaje Black cigars plus 12 raffle tickets. Over $165 in FREE Goods!
Buy 3 Boxes of Tatuaje Brand Cigars: Receive all of the above free goods plus a third 3 Pack of Tatuaje Black cigars, plus 3 Pack Tatuaje Sampler which includes a pre-release of La Verite (Pete's newest release available Spring 2010) plus 30 raffle tickets. Over $235 in FREE Goods.
All promotions will be good on Friday October 30th ONLY beginning at 10 AM. Call us toll free or visit us online.
Drawing will be held at 9:45 PM and 20 winners will be selected. If you do not wish to buy a box of Monster Series cigars, we will then offer it to the next person. Winner need not be present to win.

[ade06]

Now this I do have an issue with. Basically forcing a customer to buy something they may not want to get a "chance" to get something that they want is coniving. I used to go to this B&M, trust me when I say they won't be seeing any of my money again.

LOL, a raffle for the chance to buy something. Gee thanks!!!

[KDKLOSS]

At least you got the message. I gave them my email address and they never emailed me. That's ok because there are so many more cigars on my want to have list that missing out on these isn't even going to be a dissapointment. I might not shop at Holts for a while though. I've averaged one or two boxes from them for the past 4 or 5 months though so it's their loss not mine.

I will gladly eat my words on my previous post.

I did get an email from Holts. They explained they would sell 3 singles per customer and anyone wanting a box had to come in and talk to the manager. I called the manager and explained I was recently in the store for a Rocky Patel event with my supervisor. We went right from work in uniform and the manager said he remembered us. He also remembered that I was there last week looking for the new San Cristobal Seleccion Del Sol and they were not in yet.

To make a long story short I explained that both my supervisor and I would like to split a box of the Dracs and that I would also pick up the box that I originally went looking for last week.
When I walked in the manager called me by my first name which about floored me because I didn't expect to be a known customer. I guess purchasing about 10 boxes of cigars from them over the last 4 months left an impression but never the less I was still surprised. Not only did I get the box of Dracs, I picked up 4 of the Boris(two singles for each of us) and the box of San Cristobal Seleccion Del Sol that I wanted in the first place.
The Dracs were selling for 13 per single. While doing the math we noticed it didn't add up so upon studying the receipt we noticed they gave us a nice discount so my props out to Holts for taking care of it's military customers and not selling above the MSRP. The Dracs were still sealed although I'm sad to say I didn't get the golden ticket but hey I was impressed once again that Holts did not open the box to take it out if it was there.

This was about 1pm today and they hadn't sold many yet. I did notice they only had about 4 boxes of Dracs and 5 of the Boris by the counter so anyone in the Philly area might have a slim chance still. Sorry it took me so long to get on the computer and post. I had to catch up on some work after my excursion. :banger

[pfm721]

Now this I do have an issue with. Basically forcing a customer to buy something they may not want to get a "chance" to get something that they want is coniving. I used to go to this B&M, trust me when I say they won't be seeing any of my money again.

I am in the same boat. Shopped there for years and years. I may go to the event but they won't be seeing any of my money. I'll go to get Pete to sign the box I got from another store. SeriousCigars is doing it right. Giving both local and non-local former customers a chance in their raffle based on the amount of business that they have done there in the last 12 months.

[njstone]

(shameless self-plug)
If anyone hears of places still selling these, boxes or singles, please post or PM!

[RightAJ]

So I went to Holts today after work figuring I may be able to pick up one or two of each, and walked out with a box of Dracs and two Boris'. I am still in shock, and unbelieveably excited! They still had 2 boxes of Dracs and about 4 of the Boris so I kinda guilt-tripped the manager into hooking me up:D since the other Holts screwed me. Hey, ya gotta do what ya gotta do!

PS thanx for the tip Kevin!

P*rn Pics:

[KDKLOSS]

So I went to Holts today after work figuring I may be able to pick up one or two of each, and walked out with a box of Dracs and two Boris'. I am still in shock, and unbelieveably excited! They still had 2 boxes of Dracs and about 4 of the Boris so I kinda guilt-tripped the manager into hooking me up:D since the other Holts screwed me. Hey, ya gotta do what ya gotta do!

PS thanx for the tip Kevin!

P*rn Pics:

AJ I'm glad I could help spread the wealth. Besides it makes me feel better that I dusted off the ol Veterans card when I threw myself at the managers feet. (Just for clarification I don't make it a habbit to do that.)
I can't say enough good things about the guys at the Walnut Street shop. :ss

[GreekGodX]

Nice pickup AJ! Let us know what you think of them :ss

[ade06]

So I went to Holts today after work figuring I may be able to pick up one or two of each, and walked out with a box of Dracs and two Boris'. I am still in shock, and unbelieveably excited! They still had 2 boxes of Dracs and about 4 of the Boris so I kinda guilt-tripped the manager into hooking me up:D since the other Holts screwed me. Hey, ya gotta do what ya gotta do!

PS thanx for the tip Kevin!

P*rn Pics:

Very nice! :tu Although I didn't buy any boxes, I was able to make to Holts and pick up 3 of each. I was told that the Boris' need some rest, but the vamps were good. I guess I'll have to find out myself. :D

[RightAJ]

Yea I am quite happy. Still surprised by my luck!

As for the Boris, I had heard they were not all that great as well... I am gonna attribute that to a lack of resting and hope they turn out well. Can't wait for halloween to spark one!:ss

[KDKLOSS]

Very nice! :tu Although I didn't buy any boxes, I was able to make to Holts and pick up 3 of each. I was told that the Boris' need some rest, but the vamps were good. I guess I'll have to find out myself. :D

I split a box of Drac with a guy I deployed to Iraq with. So far I've smoked one the the 7 I kept and man It was good. A little underfilled but I guess that's better than being overfilled and hard to draw. I put the 2 Boris I picked up and the remainder of the Dracs down for a rest in my Vino. Thanks for the info on the Boris. I might have been tempted to torch one sooner.

On another note I noticed on the back of the box of Dracs that there was a number written in the upper corner in silver marker. The number on my box was 72. Could that mean I got box 72 of 1300? No biggie just curious.

[vankleekkw]

Anyone hear back from the shop in GA? I can't tell whether I was on a list or not as they took my number down, but I still haven't heard anything.

[tobii3]

...Funny how people look at cigars differently than they do every other product out there. I don't see anyone on the board complaining about LE cars, guns, guitars, or any other LE product. Ask any musician on this board who collects an instrument what they would do for a LE. Ask a surfer who collects boards what he would do for a LE board. People collect thing and LE makes the collector enjoy the hobby.

A) Most of us don't "collect" cigars, we smoke them.

B) I've never smoked a car, a gun, guitar or surfboard. Nor do I have ANY inclination to do so.

C) I'm waiting for Pete Johnson to coordinate with Kaizad Hansotia on his next "box".....:r

[Mr.Goodfella]

So I went to Holts today after work figuring I may be able to pick up one or two of each, and walked out with a box of Dracs and two Boris'. I am still in shock, and unbelieveably excited! They still had 2 boxes of Dracs and about 4 of the Boris so I kinda guilt-tripped the manager into hooking me up:D since the other Holts screwed me. Hey, ya gotta do what ya gotta do!

PS thanx for the tip Kevin!

P*rn Pics:
Nice pick up AJ. I was wondering why you didn't participate in my Drac lotto earlier tonight.
It is kind of funny reading back on this thread and seeing some of the comments. First thing that comes to mind is I am glad you are not going to buy Tat products, leaves more for me. If someone was selling a box of Dracs right now, I bet those same people would inquire about purchasing them, funny how that works...:2

[RightAJ]

I split a box of Drac with a guy I deployed to Iraq with. So far I've smoked one the the 7 I kept and man It was good. A little underfilled but I guess that's better than being overfilled and hard to draw. I put the 2 Boris I picked up and the remainder of the Dracs down for a rest in my Vino. Thanks for the info on the Boris. I might have been tempted to torch one sooner.

On another note I noticed on the back of the box of Dracs that there was a number written in the upper corner in silver marker. The number on my box was 72. Could that mean I got box 72 of 1300? No biggie just curious.


I think that is the number... I got 73 actually haha Kinda funny they wrote it in sharpie on the box. Must have been pretty last minute.

My one gripe with Tat is the fact that the box has paint on the inside! Looks cool but I don't want it to affect the smokes! I put the black paper underneath the bundle to prevent too much touching... Any suggestions there???

aj

[Mr.Goodfella]

Anyone hear back from the shop in GA? I can't tell whether I was on a list or not as they took my number down, but I still haven't heard anything.
I got a call from them on Friday and got the box today.:wo

[KDKLOSS]

I think that is the number... I got 73 actually haha Kinda funny they wrote it in sharpie on the box. Must have been pretty last minute.

My one gripe with Tat is the fact that the box has paint on the inside! Looks cool but I don't want it to affect the smokes! I put the black paper underneath the bundle to prevent too much touching... Any suggestions there???

aj

My complaint is trivial. The lid on the box is so freakin hard to get off. I ended up not closing it all the way so I can get my fingernails in there to kind of pry the lid off next time I get the urge to smoke one. I took the black paper off and tossed it. If anyone thinks the paint will affect the cigars I'll cut some wax paper or something and lay it down inside the box.

[tobii3]

If someone was selling a box of Dracs right now, I bet those same people would inquire about purchasing them, funny how that works...:2

Nope. We're all laughing at those of you caught in the hype.

Carry on.

:D

[colimo]

am wondering how you all are getting them already....all the shops i have talked to have said they dont expect them until late this week. guess i should have tried harder...

[stearns]

i think the east coast got them first

stearns

[s15driftking]

i think the east coast got them first

stearns


just ask coastie tech, he'll succumb to anything with shiney "LE" packaging, it means its better AND worth more. In fact, he just bought a Limited Edition "Pirates of the Caribbean" Lego Pirate ship play set that doesn't hit the shelves until December BRAH!!!

:r:r:r

[stearns]

dont hate on legos...

stearns

[coastietech]

just ask coastie tech, he'll succumb to anything with shiney "LE" packaging, it means its better AND worth more. In fact, he just bought a Limited Edition "Pirates of the Caribbean" Lego Pirate ship play set that doesn't hit the shelves until December BRAH!!!

:r:r:r

That's not what I was saying at all. I've noticed a trend with your posts here they all tend to have an ignorant, rude and decisive feel to them.

You do you, and I'll do me. I enjoy the LE factor. Never said it made something bigger or better. If you think something that is a limited edition isn't worth more in reality then your mistaken. Go to the WTS section which do you think will sell faster and for more money, a box of Franks or a box of red labels?

You don't have to agree with me. I can accept an agree to disagree. What I think is ignorant is your way of belittling people who have a difference of opinion than you. It's not the first thread I've seen you do it, most likely won't be the last.

Either way like I said you do you and I'll do me because it's what I do best. :tu

[GreekGodX]

i think the east coast got them first

stearns

Stores in Michigan haven't gotten them yet.. So I have no idea how they were shipped..

[s15driftking]

That's not what I was saying at all. I've noticed a trend with your posts here they all tend to have an ignorant, rude and decisive feel to them.

You do you, and I'll do me. I enjoy the LE factor. Never said it made something bigger or better. If you think something that is a limited edition isn't worth more in reality then your mistaken. Go to the WTS section which do you think will sell faster and for more money, a box of Franks or a box of red labels?

You don't have to agree with me. I can accept an agree to disagree. What I think is ignorant is your way of belittling people who have a difference of opinion than you. It's not the first thread I've seen you do it, most likely won't be the last.

it was a joke, you need to relax.



Either way like I said you do you and I'll do me because it's what I do best. :tu

NOW THAT STATEMENT IS DOWNRIGHT FUNNAY... dawg....

http://www.mixmatters.com/hot/2008/images/Rocko-Umma_Do_Me.jpg

SO TOUGH!!

[coastietech]

it was a joke, you need to relax.




NOW THAT STATEMENT IS DOWNRIGHT FUNNAY... dawg....


SO TOUGH!!

I guess we all mature at different rates. Bobby I wish you nothing but the best bro. Have a great day. :tu

[s15driftking]

Same here, Go Browns!

[tobii3]

just ask coastie tech, he'll succumb to anything with shiney "LE" packaging, it means its better AND worth more.

That's not what I was saying at all.

Huh??

Bro your talking to the wrong person. I enjoy LE... I pretty much go after any LE item that falls into my hobby that I can. I go out of my way to buy LE. I don't see anyone on the board complaining about LE cars, guns, guitars, or any other LE product. Ask any musician on this board who collects an instrument what they would do for a LE. Ask a surfer who collects boards what he would do for a LE board

So....uh....what ARE you saying???

:r:r:r:r:r

(this is all in good fun...please don't misunderstand me!!!)

[GreekGodX]

Can we get back to the topic please? Coastie and driftking kissed and made up.

Back to Tat dracs.

[s15driftking]

So....uh....what ARE you saying???

:r:r:r:r:r



That was my origianl point, BUT we are past this, love you Tobil3!!!

BAC TO THE DRAC!!!!

[coastietech]

Deleted after I saw the previous posts...

[chenvt]

Got my box of dracs the other day.. Took a whiff and maybe it's the plastic wrap and the paint on the box, but they don't smell as nice as I expected.. I'll give them a little time to settle before I light one up

[stearns]

looks like everyone drank their daily dose of haterade today, here's to electrolites

if all goes as planned, i should be getting a couple boxes of dracs and maybe one of boris on saturday, however as we have all seen... nothing goes as planned, especially surrounding these particular sticks

stearns

[LeoM]

Well, the friendly FedEx driver just dropped mine off. Tell you what, I'm glad they seal (kinda) them up in paper inside the box....the paint smell from the box is not so pleasant. The smokes themselves though, smell fantastic.

[stearns]

perhaps leaving the box (sans cigars) out will help air it out? or baking powder like many (myself included) have done with fresh vinos? it would be a shame if these couldnt be stored in their box

stearns

[chenvt]

Exactly my thinking, Ben.. I'm going to be taking these out of the box and sticking the sticks in the paper inside my humidor.. let the box airdry for a bit, then put it back in

[Ahbroody]

Funny first thing I thought of when I saw the box was the paint and how I knew they were not going to air the boxes out then re season them. Knew they would be stinking like crap.


Stearns hilarious I was going to make a haterade comment earlier, but opted not to waste the time. Some people have life all figured out and know no one elses point of view can be equal to theirs. Local shops are supposed to get them today. I guess they wont be as bad as previously thought with taxes as because Pete operates out of Cali he has to pay taxes on the sticks so maybe they wont be so expensive. 13-16 and I will probablly buy a couple. For some reason the boris is kind of exciting to me more than the drac.

[RightAJ]

Well, the friendly FedEx driver just dropped mine off. Tell you what, I'm glad they seal (kinda) them up in paper inside the box....the paint smell from the box is not so pleasant. The smokes themselves though, smell fantastic.

I actually did that this morning before work. I took them out and put the bundle in the humi and let the box sit open for the day. Gonna put wax paper in the box to line it but I figure a little airing out can't hurt

aj

[Blueface]

A) Most of us don't "collect" cigars, we smoke them.


Not true.
Most of us collect them long enough to smoke them.:r

[stearns]

Funny first thing I thought of when I saw the box was the paint and how I knew they were not going to air the boxes out then re season them. Knew they would be stinking like crap.


Stearns hilarious I was going to make a haterade comment earlier, but opted not to waste the time. Some people have life all figured out and know no one elses point of view can be equal to theirs. Local shops are supposed to get them today. I guess they wont be as bad as previously thought with taxes as because Pete operates out of Cali he has to pay taxes on the sticks so maybe they wont be so expensive. 13-16 and I will probablly buy a couple. For some reason the boris is kind of exciting to me more than the drac.

you know what the difference between you and me is my friend? i got no problem wasting time :D

stearns

[stearns]

Not true.
Most of us collect them long enough to smoke them.:r

i collect certain cigars, with knowledge that i probably wont smoke them for years. but i also submit to the "LE" craze, so feel free to disregard my opinion :r:r

stearns