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Bruins Fan
08-14-2009, 02:04 PM
Can someone tell me why the price of gas keeps going up, when the price of crude keeps dropping?
jledou
08-14-2009, 02:12 PM
It is supposed to be based on a straight supply and demand plus operating/production cost. Right now demand is down, supply is OK and refining capacity is at ~ 70-80% so right now I would set most of the price to speculation.
Steve
08-14-2009, 03:07 PM
Somebody's betting on a couple of storms...
:td:td:td
The Poet
08-14-2009, 04:04 PM
I don't know, but I wonder - did Exxon post a record-breaking profit for the umpteenth straight time? If not, there's your answer.
:ss
forgop
08-14-2009, 07:14 PM
Obama's in bed with "big oil"?
Obama's in bed with "big oil"?
*face palm* there are any number of things you can blame the boy king for but this isn't one of them. if you remember oil hit an all time high under bush I'm all for hating obama but ya gota pick your battles.
the price of oil is going down and gas is going up for any number of reasons, fudging the refinery margins, the in house brokerage firms messing with prices, ect ect ect
Ashcan Bill
08-14-2009, 08:19 PM
My personal opinion, with absolutely no hard empirical evidence to back it up, is it may have something to do with the government allowing the oil companies to merge, and merge, and merge again, until you now have a few vast monopolies that have driven the independents out of business. With Congress looking the other way, they can now fix prices at pretty much any level they want as long as they're generous with their campaign donations and can come up with some rationale that the media will buy.
Similar to the trusts from a hundred years ago that Teddy Roosevelt busted up.
Smokin Gator
08-14-2009, 08:58 PM
Not that I disagree with your general premise... but the price of crude has been going up for a couple of months now.
Ratters
08-14-2009, 09:17 PM
Price of crude is up a tad, but right now there are a lot of refineries shut down for scheduled maintenence which is pushing up the current price.
ucla695
08-14-2009, 09:35 PM
Not that I disagree with your general premise... but the price of crude has been going up for a couple of months now.
Yes, it has bounced from the trough and now has been teetering around $70 (flirting north and south of that). It's highly elastic on the uptick, but less so when it drops. Tends to go in the same direction as the market. Luckily, I think the super cycle has been dampened.....well, at least for now.
forgop
08-15-2009, 10:07 AM
*face palm* there are any number of things you can blame the boy king for but this isn't one of them. if you remember oil hit an all time high under bush I'm all for hating obama but ya gota pick your battles.
Didn't stop the crybaby left from uttering the same nonsense when GWB was in office, despite the fact of having absolutely NOTHING to back it up.
The Poet
08-15-2009, 10:12 AM
And it begins. An economic question - which is allowed - turns into a political p!$$ing contest, which is not. I'm gonna go hide now. :rolleyes:
wrench turner 85
08-15-2009, 10:21 AM
It is supposed to be based on a straight supply and demand plus operating/production cost. Right now demand is down, supply is OK and refining capacity is at ~ 70-80% so right now I would set most of the price to speculation.
Somebody's betting on a couple of storms...
:td:td:td
:tpd: :tf
shilala
08-15-2009, 10:29 AM
All I know is that when crude goes up, my pensions go to hell.
Right now I'm making money like George Bush.
So long as we don't dick with Iraq, I'm gonna be rich. :r
floydp
08-15-2009, 09:07 PM
Ok fellers you know political rhetoric is a no no at the nut house? Lets keep the political bs out of this discussion or this thread will insight passions that do not belong on a cigar forum. At least not this one.
heavyd
08-15-2009, 09:34 PM
The way I understand it... the price of gasoline is less dependent on the the price of oil than it is dependent on the the amount of oil that is refined into gasoline. If Exxon Mobil wants to raise the price of gas, they simple reduce the supply (refine less oil into gasoline).
I used to ponder big questions like this, but now that I've given up hope, I'm much more mellow about it all :)
Waynegro1
08-16-2009, 12:07 AM
Can you say, OIL SPECULATORS?? Just my :2
Now, back to :ss
Cigary
08-16-2009, 02:37 AM
Obviously it's a Communist plot. I ride a motorycle so I can save on gas,,,if it gets more expensive I'll get a Moped.
borndead1
08-16-2009, 03:41 AM
They are raising gas prices because they can.
forgop
08-16-2009, 06:46 AM
Ok fellers you know political rhetoric is a no no at the nut house? Lets keep the political bs out of this discussion or this thread will insight passions that do not belong on a cigar forum. At least not this one.
I'm not trying to turn this into a pi$$ing match at I'm not fan of GWB by any means. Just illustrating the point that what is good for one is good for another.
forgop
08-16-2009, 06:47 AM
They are raising gas prices because they can.
This answer is correct.
SchizoFilly
08-16-2009, 06:55 AM
Gasoline prices are not determined by crude prices. They are linked, but not directly. It's like a baker basing the price of his cookies on the cost of flour. It's only an ingredient in the final product. Prices go up more for other reasons than the cost of crude. Around big travel holidays prices will spike because the gasoline retailers know they can charge whatever they want and people will still buy.
macpappy
08-16-2009, 06:58 AM
I'd go with the speculator's answer. The drive to price up so they can make more money.
The price at the pump always goes down slower than it goes up. What I've noticed is that when the price per barrel goes up one dollar, the price of gasoline seems to jump between 5 and 10 cents a gallon. When the price per barrel goes down a two or three dollars, the price at the pump drops 1 cent.
They are raising gas prices because they can.
This answer is correct.
Exactly. There is absolutely nothing to stop them - they could charge $10 a gallon and we would pay it - and they know that. We could ***** and moan all we wanted - would not change a thing.
Ron
pnoon
08-16-2009, 09:29 PM
Obama's in bed with "big oil"?
*face palm* there are any number of things you can blame the boy king for but this isn't one of them. if you remember oil hit an all time high under bush I'm all for hating obama but ya gota pick your battles.
the price of oil is going down and gas is going up for any number of reasons, fudging the refinery margins, the in house brokerage firms messing with prices, ect ect ect
Ok fellers you know political rhetoric is a no no at the nut house? Lets keep the political bs out of this discussion or this thread will insight passions that do not belong on a cigar forum. At least not this one.
I'm not trying to turn this into a pi$$ing match at I'm not fan of GWB by any means. Just illustrating the point that what is good for one is good for another.
As floydp pointed out, political rhetoric is not allowed. That would include "illustrations".
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