Lunar Landing

[Darrell]

I am certain everyone knows the history behind Apollo 11 and it landing on the Moon and the video and assorted photos with Buzz Aldrin and Neil Armstrong.

Does anyone else think it was a hoax?

I am not even a conspiracy theorist or anything of the sort, but something has always sat wrong with me and the lunar landing.

I have wondered why only 6 missions have went to the Moon and why we have not went since the early 70's. Individuals have said that it's because NASA is broke and they are planning to cancel the program. I think that is B.S. -- NASA if in financial trouble, has not always been in trouble.

I also feel that all research that can be done from Earth is great, but Scientists naturally want to get more hands on, especially via the Moon's surface. I'm sorry to rant, but I got to thinking about it and I think it's just another B.S. story by the Government and it's too late for them to admit it, otherwise they would lose credibility.

Discuss?

P.S. If you plan to participate, please don't flame anyone. It's just a discussion, nothing to get mad about. :)

[csbrewfisher]

I don't think it was a hoax Darrell. But there's a conspiracy whacko that hangs at the local cigar lounge smoking Vilagers who thinks it was. In fact, this guy carries around his hom made conspiracy binder with him all the time. Ooooooo-weeeeeeee-ooooooo...

[Darrell]

I don't think it was a hoax Darrell. But there's a conspiracy whacko that hangs at the local cigar lounge smoking Vilagers who thinks it was. In fact, this guy carries around his hom made conspiracy binder with him all the time. Ooooooo-weeeeeeee-ooooooo...

LMAO, that isn't me!

[JJG]

I assumed that they haven't been back because there isn't anything to be gained from going. I mean, maybe eventually it could be a sort of "base station" for exploration and astronomy, but in the short term I'm thinking the benefits don't justify the cost. As far as the hoax theory is concerned, I think it would be just too difficult to orchestrate something that big. Thousands of scientists and engineers worked on that mission.

[SeanGAR]

I have wondered why only 6 missions have went to the Moon and why we have not went since the early 70's.

Ohh .. I can answer that.

The beer on the moon wasn't very good.

[Darrell]

Ohh .. I can answer that.

The beer on the moon wasn't very good.

:r

Thanks, you cranky old bastard. :tg

:D

[lightning9191]

I assumed that they haven't been back because there isn't anything to be gained from going. I mean, maybe eventually it could be a sort of "base station" for exploration and astronomy, but in the short term I'm thinking the benefits don't justify the cost. As far as the hoax theory is concerned, I think it would be just too difficult to orchestrate something that big. Thousands of scientists and engineers worked on that mission.

:tpd: I think it would be hard to keep a secret among that many people who weren't killed shortly afterwards. Plus the astronauts put a mirror up there to bounce light back. If I recall they put the mirrors up there to get a more accurate reading of the speed of light....but I may be wrong so take that with a grain of salt.

[theonlybear4CORT]

http://www.ilovebonnie.net/tinfoil-hat.jpg


*I have nothing positive to add to this discussion*

[lightning9191]

I stand corrected...the mirrors were put there to measure the distance between here and there.

[Darrell]

I stand corrected...the mirrors were put there to measure the distance between here and there.

If they traveled there, don't they know already? :confused:

[lightning9191]

If they traveled there, don't they know already? :confused:

I'm not sure the shuttle had a odometer......plus it's pry more accurate to bounce lasers and measure the time.

[Darrell]

I'm not sure the shuttle had a odometer......plus it's pry more accurate to bounce lasers and measure the time.

Perhaps, or maybe it's a...

[puts on tin foil hat]

HOAX!

:D

Seriously, I don't know if it's a hoax or not, but too many things don't add up to me. I'm not going to go publishing a paper on it or anything, just wanted to see others opinions.

[lightning9191]

Perhaps, or maybe it's a...

[puts on tin foil hat]

HOAX!

:D

Seriously, I don't know if it's a hoax or not, but too many things don't add up to me. I'm not going to go publishing a paper on it or anything, just wanted to see others opinions.

I think it's good to be skeptical......it's still crazy to think that we've put people on the moon.

[lightning9191]

Of course the only descent I can find to the bottom of the Mariana trench was in 1960......of course it didn't get a lot of media attention so no one is calling those guys out.

[Skywalker]

It was already proved to be factual on MythBusters!!!

That's good enough for me!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wym04J_3Ls0

http://mythbustersresults.com/episode-104-nasa-moon-landing

[BigFrank]

mythbusters is the truth. always.

I believe they went there, not sure why havent gone back since the last apollo landing.

[BC-Axeman]

I stand corrected...the mirrors were put there to measure the distance between here and there.
Retroreflector. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Retroreflector) Not exactly a mirror.

Every big, important event in history has it's associated conspiracy theory. Unless you are directly affected and can do something about it they are a waste of time, IMHO.

[The Poet]

I think the hoax conspiracy is a hoax, and the landings real.

You want a real hoax? Try Milli Vanilli.

[shilala]

I vote no on the moon thing, no on sasquatch, yes on JFK, and yes on Nessie.
I'm pretty sure the republicans are behind all of it.

[icehog3]

P.S. If you plan to participate, please don't flame anyone. It's just a discussion, nothing to get mad about.

If I can't flame anyone who thinks the moon landing was a hoax, I'm out. ;)

But is anyone brings any 9/11 conspriacy bullsh#t to this board, they are gonna get more than they bargained for.....seriously.

[Bruzee]

I vote no on the moon thing, no on sasquatch, yes on JFK, and yes on Nessie.
I'm pretty sure the republicans are behind all of it.

Whoa....... Didn't take long for this to go political... :r



And yes, I'm Republican...... :tu

[Tarks]

With today's technology you would think someone could take a picture of the exact spot that they landed and planted the flag. Wouldn't that still be there???

[Whee]

Nasa just recently released HD photos taken by a new Moon orbitor that shows the landing sites. There's something there.

I do not believe it was a hoax.

You youngin's who weren't alive then seem to forget that the country was mired in Vietnam, we were in the middle of the Cold War with Russia and the economy was not solid.

NASA had a certain number of rockets to use. Nixon cut funding so the last of the rockets were used for Skylab and the Apollo/Soyuz mission.

I can appreciate the thinking that it was a hoax, but even as evil as our government can be, I doubt this could be kept a secret.

As for 9/11, it was the Garden Gnomes...they are out to get us.:r

[Whee]

Found it.

http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/LRO/multimedia/lroimages/apollosites.html

[M1903A1]

With today's technology you would think someone could take a picture of the exact spot that they landed and planted the flag. Wouldn't that still be there???

It was blown over when the Lunar Module lifted off to return to Earth. As I recall you can see it being blown over in the video footage, and I've read that subsequent moon missions implanted the flag farther from the landing site so it wouldn't be blown over.

[M1903A1]

If I can't flame anyone who thinks the moon landing was a hoax, I'm out. ;)

But is anyone brings any 9/11 conspriacy bullsh#t to this board, they are gonna get more than they bargained for.....seriously.

FIRE DOESN'T MELT STEEL! < /Rosie O'Donnell >

(Never mind that fire doesn't have to melt steel for a structure to fail...it just has to get it to the plastic state, which is only about 900 degrees F!)

[icehog3]

FIRE DOESN'T MELT STEEL! < /Rosie O'Donnell >

(Never mind that fire doesn't have to melt steel for a structure to fail...it just has to get it to the plastic state, which is only about 900 degrees F!)

Too bad they just didn't hijack Rosie instead. ;)

[M1903A1]

:tpd: I think it would be hard to keep a secret among that many people who weren't killed shortly afterwards. Plus the astronauts put a mirror up there to bounce light back. If I recall they put the mirrors up there to get a more accurate reading of the speed of light....but I may be wrong so take that with a grain of salt.

I have a friend whose father was a tool and die maker with a company that was a subcontractor for the space program. I remember my friend describing his father (a stolid, gruff, old-world Pole) practically weeping with joy as he watched the Saturn V liftoffs on TV.

(My friend said the only other time he saw his father so emotional was when Karol Wojtula was elected Pope John Paul II.)

[M1903A1]

Too bad they just didn't hijack Rosie instead. ;)

I'll second that!

[pnoon]

Too bad they just didn't hijack Rosie instead. ;)

They couldn't find a big enough plane. ;)

[icehog3]

They couldn't find a big enough plane. ;)

No, Peter..I meant hijack Rosie....

[icehog3]

I have a friend whose father was a tool and die maker with a company that was a subcontractor for the space program. I remember my friend describing his father (a stolid, gruff, old-world Pole) practically weeping with joy as he watched the Saturn V liftoffs on TV.



Imagine his sorrow when he finds out it was all a hoax.


:r

[M1903A1]

Imagine his sorrow when he finds out it was all a hoax.


:r

Died in '84, so he met his Maker happy.....

[G G]

I vote no on the moon thing, no on sasquatch, yes on JFK, and yes on Nessie.
I'm pretty sure the republicans are behind all of it.
I was equally sure the democrats were to blame.:ss

[Whee]

I was equally sure the democrats were to blame.:ss

It was the Whigs. They did it.

[Buena Fortuna]

I am certain everyone knows the history behind Apollo 11 and it landing on the Moon and the video and assorted photos with Buzz Aldrin and Neil Armstrong.

Does anyone else think it was a hoax?

I am not even a conspiracy theorist or anything of the sort, but something has always sat wrong with me and the lunar landing.

I have wondered why only 6 missions have went to the Moon and why we have not went since the early 70's. Individuals have said that it's because NASA is broke and they are planning to cancel the program. I think that is B.S. -- NASA if in financial trouble, has not always been in trouble.

I also feel that all research that can be done from Earth is great, but Scientists naturally want to get more hands on, especially via the Moon's surface. I'm sorry to rant, but I got to thinking about it and I think it's just another B.S. story by the Government and it's too late for them to admit it, otherwise they would lose credibility.

Discuss?

P.S. If you plan to participate, please don't flame anyone. It's just a discussion, nothing to get mad about. :)

I watched it on TV; therefore it must be true;)

[Mr. Ed]

+1 on the mythbusters episode. They did a pretty good job debunking some of the conspiracy theories.

[RGD.]

. . . but too many things don't add up to me. . . .

Such as???



Ron

[yourchoice]

I think the hoax conspiracy is a hoax, and the landings real.

:rIt doesn't happen often, but I agree with Thomas! :r
But is anyone brings any 9/11 conspriacy bullsh#t to this board, they are gonna get more than they bargained for.....seriously.

And as happens frequently, I agree with Tom. :tu

[ActionAndy]

My favorite conspiracy is the Denver Airport. (http://www.anomalies-unlimited.com/Denver_Airport.html) As for the moon I have no reason to doubt we went there; I do find it interesting how often anomalies show up in NASA footage.

There's a link somewhere of (I think) Neil Armstrong socking a guy in the mouth for implying that he's a liar. Pretty funny.

Edit: It was Buzz Aldrin. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZOo6aHSY8hU)

[Starscream]

I beleive it happened, but...

the lunar landing video did look cheesy

and

why haven't we been back lately?

[M1903A1]

I beleive it happened, but...

the lunar landing video did look cheesy

It was 1969 technology. Go figure!


and

why haven't we been back lately?

Why should we be?

[Starscream]

It was 1969 technology. Go figure!

True. Compared to George Lucas and ILM nothing looks real.:)

[Starscream]

Why should we be?

Why not? Other than taxes. I figured a private enterprise would have done it by now.

[Old Sailor]

I beleive it happened, but...

the lunar landing video did look cheesy

and

why haven't we been back lately?

You mean you haven't gone there yet??? man are you behind the times, us Canuks go there every year for vacation!:r

;s

[Darrell]

Why should we be?

In the name of science?

Science seldom needs a reason for research/exploration when questions about a subject remains unanswered.

I'm POSITIVE not everything is known about the Moon.

[ActionAndy]

In the name of science?

Science seldom needs a reason for research/exploration when questions about a subject remains unanswered.

I'm POSITIVE not everything is known about the Moon.

Agreed.

[Skywalker]

This is funny:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lYVLpC_8SQE&feature=fvw

[Starscream]

You mean you haven't gone there yet??? man are you behind the times, us Canuks go there every year for vacation!:r

;s
:r
In the name of science?

Science seldom needs a reason for research/exploration when questions about a subject remains unanswered.

I'm POSITIVE not everything is known about the Moon.

Maybe I've seen too many Sci-Fi movies, but I'd figured we'd be trying to find out how to support life on the moon by now. Send up a colony or something.

[fxpose]

With today's technology you would think someone could take a picture of the exact spot that they landed and planted the flag. Wouldn't that still be there???

Oh, they're there. I've seen them through my backyard telescope.

[ucla695]

I don't feel strongly either way, but I wouldn't be surprised if it were a hoax.

[Darrell]

Maybe I've seen too many Sci-Fi movies, but I'd figured we'd be trying to find out how to support life on the moon by now. Send up a colony or something.

I agree, or perhaps to see if their is any Alien life up there -- see if things could sustain life, etc.

I'm not talking about finding Mork from Ork or whatever, but finding the potential to find underground dwellings there with some sort of life, certainly is not impossible.

[jjirons69]

The mirror is to measure the distance between the earth and the moon. The moon is gradually getting further away from earth, by about 1/4" each year.

They did land. The vast majority of us weren't around to witness it. I was 3 months old. I did see OJ flee in a Bronco and that was on TV and very real. We did go back several times, but we had all the moon sand and rocks that we ever needed. Why keep going back, no military or civil advantage to it. We already had proved to the entire world we were #1 in the space race, so "yeah!".

As far as conspiracy theories go...I think the only one (and the biggest one) was the cost to get there. There is no telling how many millons of dollars went into research, development, and execution. What ever number you've been told or read about, I'd multiply it by 50 or 100, maybe more. The reason we beat everyone to the moon is due to the fact we had the money, they didn't. Look at nuclear weapons...as soon as we exploded one, other countries had them. They're way cheaper than a moon mission. Other countries knew how to get there (through various spy rings), they just fell short of money.

BTW...it tooks some kind of big balls to load up in a crude spacecraft and head 290k miles away and think you're coming home. I'm a country boy and a realist...I'm staying grounded and close to home.

[Skywalker]

I agree, or perhaps to see if their is any Alien life up there -- see if things could sustain life, etc.

I'm not talking about finding Mork from Ork or whatever, but finding the potential to find underground dwellings there with some sort of life, certainly is not impossible.

Who wants to live like that???
http://teams.kipr.org/2006/06-0001/research/Images/moon-colony.jpg

It's like Alaska!!!

[Darrell]

Who wants to live like that???
http://teams.kipr.org/2006/06-0001/research/Images/moon-colony.jpg

It's like Alaska!!!

The way we are treating Earth, it's not going to be around forever!

[Skywalker]

http://www.dailynewshaiku.com/ClipArt/Haikus/Dec_2006/2006.12.05/MoonColony.jpg
I call dibs!!!:r

[Starscream]

The way we are treating Earth, it's not going to be around forever!

I don't buy into that as much as most, Darrell. But I do believe we will eventually overpopulate the earth and will have to expand somewhere. The moon and Mars are the most viable options right now.

[Whee]

Should be right up this thread's alley.

http://www.am1500.com/categoryfolders/Stories/S1065825.shtml

I ain't got time to bleed.

[Starscream]

Should be right up this thread's alley.

http://www.am1500.com/categoryfolders/Stories/S1065825.shtml

I ain't got time to bleed.

"The Body" is the man!

[floydpink]

"There is no dark side of the moon really. Matter of fact it's all dark."

[Darrell]

I don't buy into that as much as most, Darrell. But I do believe we will eventually overpopulate the earth and will have to expand somewhere. The moon and Mars are the most viable options right now.

I agree, Andy and I'm not talking about tomorrow or next year that Earth's population has to ride out -- I'm figuring within the next 5 centuries though. :2

[BC-Axeman]

Not enough gravity on the Moon to hold water or any kind of air. There is a thin wisp of argon. There is no reason to want to live on the Moon as everything needs to be imported.

Now Mars is another matter. You could probably set up a self sufficient base on Mars.

[lightning9191]

Too bad they just didn't hijack Rosie instead. ;)

I just read in Scientific American yesterday that it costs $10,000 per pound to send stuff into space. So let's see....300 (I'm being generous) x 10,000...carry the three....round to the significant figures.....

$3,000,000

We can take donations and we could pry do this.:r

[Starscream]

"There is no dark side of the moon really. Matter of fact it's all dark."
There is a dark side of the moon. I listened to it.;)
I agree, Andy and I'm not talking about tomorrow or next year that Earth's population has to ride out -- I'm figuring within the next 5 centuries though. :2

I agree.

:2

[ActionAndy]

Who wants to live like that???
http://teams.kipr.org/2006/06-0001/research/Images/moon-colony.jpg

It's like Alaska!!!

I would definitely do that if given the opportunity. Unfortunately there's probably not much demand for professional writers in that field.

[jjirons69]

As far as living on the moon..not at all viable. Who the hell wants to live there? An overcrowded Earth is way more tantilizing than that. Overcrowding will handle itself. Much like over-abundances of mice or locust when the food is in surplus. When we can no longer feed everyone, we stop growing. Also, war, famine, disease, and natural disasters will thin the herd. The strongest go on to repopulate. We are Earthlings, designed and adapted to live here and only here. The Moon or Mars will never work.

[Buena Fortuna]

I beleive it happened, but...

the lunar landing video did look cheesy

and

why haven't we been back lately?

There wasn't HD back then and have you seen the price of gas lately???:r

[skibumdc]

Mythbusters rules. I don't always agree with some of their methods, but they got this one nailed.

How anyone can think it was a hoax now is just a riot.

[The Poet]

:rIt doesn't happen often, but I agree with Thomas! :r


Now THERE'S a hoax for you! :D

[Skywalker]

Darrell's new smiley!!!:tf

[SchizoFilly]

As far as living on the moon..not at all viable. Who the hell wants to live there? An overcrowded Earth is way more tantilizing than that. Overcrowding will handle itself. Much like over-abundances of mice or locust when the food is in surplus. When we can no longer feed everyone, we stop growing. Also, war, famine, disease, and natural disasters will thin the herd. The strongest go on to repopulate. We are Earthlings, designed and adapted to live here and only here. The Moon or Mars will never work.

While I agree with the population control methods you stated, I have to disagree with the possibility of living places other than Earth. The space station has shown humans can survive away from Earth. Getting the supplies to another location and setting up living quarters large enough to support a decent size population would be astronomically expensive (pun intended).

[ActionAndy]

While I agree with the population control methods you stated, I have to disagree with the possibility of living places other than Earth. The space station has shown humans can survive away from Earth. Getting the supplies to another location and setting up living quarters large enough to support a decent size population would be astronomically expensive (pun intended).

Would it help costs if we ate the elderly.

[Starscream]

Would it help costs if we ate the elderly.

Jonathan Swift?

[md4958]

:tf

[Skywalker]

While I agree with the population control methods you stated, I have to disagree with the possibility of living places other than Earth. The space station has shown humans can survive away from Earth. Getting the supplies to another location and setting up living quarters large enough to support a decent size population would be astronomically expensive (pun intended).

Not to mention that the Human body is perfectly adapted to the gravity and atmosphere of Earth. There have been studies about rats and other animals mating in space with not such great results for the offspring!!!

[Starscream]

Not to mention that the Human body is perfectly adapted to the gravity and atmosphere of Earth. There have been studies about rats and other animals mating in space with not such great results for the offspring!!!

The human body is made to adapt. Give it some time, and man can adapt to low gravity as well. Just make sure everyone drinks their milk.:D

[Darrell]

It's all a hoax. A hoax, I tell you!!!

:tf

:D

[SchizoFilly]

Not to mention that the Human body is perfectly adapted to the gravity and atmosphere of Earth. There have been studies about rats and other animals mating in space with not such great results for the offspring!!!

It's evolution....or something like that....it's all speculative until someone actually gets sent. Hypotheses that are not tested are little more than opinions, and we know that goes something like this :pn

[md4958]

The way we are treating Earth, it's not going to be around forever!

Im pretty sure the Earth will still be here long after we've made it unhinabitalbe for humans.

[Starscream]

Im pretty sure the Earth will still be here long after we've made it unhinabitalbe for humans.

Moe watched Wall-E, I see.:D

[hoax]

Just for the record, I had nothing to do with the lunar landings.

Glad to clear up any confusion.

[md4958]

Moe watched Wall-E, I see.:D

:tu

[md4958]

Just for the record, I had nothing to do with the lunar landings.

Glad to clear up any confusion.

MISINFORMATION!!!! :tf

[Footbag]

We were there... With pictures from a recent pass of our lunar orbiter. Much better photo's will be taking during the mapping passes that will be taken in the near future.

http://www.universetoday.com/2009/07/17/lro-images-apollo-landing-sites-w00t/