Favre to Stay Retired [Archive] - Cigar Asylum Cigar Forum

Kreth

07-28-2009, 03:46 PM

GreekGodX

07-28-2009, 03:47 PM

Thank you football gods!! :tu

BlackDog

07-28-2009, 03:50 PM

I hope this is it. I was about to start shopping for a new team if the AntiChrist came to Minnesota. I was thoroughly disgusted that the Vikings were considering bringing on an aging has-been with a bum shoulder when they should have been grooming Jackson, a promising young talent with the potential to be another Culpepper (pre-Lions, that is :r).

I agree that Favre should never have even been considered by the Vikings. I don't see him fitting in with the team at all. But I also don't think that Jackson is the right guy either. I think the Vikings still have a need for a qualified starting quarterback.

TripleF

07-28-2009, 03:55 PM

It's gotta be tough knowing what you've always wanted to do since you first wore your oversized plastic football helmet that you can't go out and play anymore.....

I know it's been drama, but I believe he's still got the heart of a young child and is having a heckuva time quitting his dream.

Consider yourself fortunate to have been able to watch one of the best ever!

themoneycollector

07-28-2009, 03:56 PM

He's a great talent, but it's a good decision for him. He's a definite HOF'er

Resipsa

07-28-2009, 04:23 PM

thank god I couldnt' sleep at night for the suspense.......

Gophernut

07-28-2009, 04:25 PM

I agree that Favre should never have even been considered by the Vikings. I don't see him fitting in with the team at all. But I also don't think that Jackson is the right guy either. I think the Vikings still have a need for a qualified starting quarterback.
I for one would have loved to have seen Favre play for the Vikings. If for no other reason than to shut up all of my Packer Loving in-laws.
I also agree that Jackson is not, and probably wont be the answer. Michael Vick anyone?

BigCat

07-28-2009, 04:28 PM

He'll sign with the Vikings after training camp...mark my words. He just doesn't want to go through all that work.

The Poet

07-28-2009, 04:28 PM

When I was just a sprout, back in the Lombardi days, I was a Packer fan. I hold nothing but a sentimental attachment now, but I would have cringed to see Favre in that dang purple wing'ed helm.

Rockestone

07-28-2009, 04:31 PM

Good.

Kreth

07-28-2009, 04:35 PM

I also agree that Jackson is not, and probably wont be the answer. Michael Vick anyone?
After the tour boat fiasco with Culpepper et al. just a few years ago, I think Minnesota should stay away from the whole Vick controversy.
I really think Jackson has a lot of potential if they stick with him instead of swapping QBs every few games. He's quick and has a decent arm. Maybe I'm biased: I did really well with him as my starter in Madden 09. :r

replicant_argent

07-28-2009, 04:57 PM

Minnesota has a football team?

icehog3

07-28-2009, 05:17 PM

Good, hopefully the next time I have to hear his name won't be until his induction to the HOF. ;)

Gophernut

07-28-2009, 05:28 PM

Maybe I'm biased: I did really well with him as my starter in Madden 09. :r

:r:r:r I hope Childress reads this! He'll probably cut Rosenfels!

MNSmoker

07-28-2009, 05:37 PM

This is a sad day. I'm a huge Favre pimp and I was hoping he would sign with the Vikes for multiple reasons. Now we have to rely on either a career back-up in Rosenfels, or a mediocre QB at best in T-Jack who folds under pressure. I'm still holding out hope that Favre flip-flops one more time and decides to join the team after training camp. You never know what this guy's going to do next.

Kreth

07-28-2009, 05:57 PM

...or a mediocre QB at best in T-Jack who folds under pressure.
I think a lot of that is the coaching staff. How can he learn to deal with those pressure situations if they keep swapping QBs?
Admittedly, Favre was a great player, but the last few seasons he's thrown more picks than TDs. And with the bum shoulder, I doubt he would have been good for an entire season. Then the Vikes would have been forced to go with Jackson or Rosenfels anyway.

macpappy

07-28-2009, 06:01 PM

Some team should give Favre a call and say, "Hey Brett! We could use a quarterback coach."

All you Favre haters can say what you want, but I think he has the potential to be a good coach.

hotreds

07-28-2009, 06:02 PM

At least for the next five minutes or so.....

bowhnter

07-28-2009, 06:05 PM

I hated the Packers (Bear fan here) but I would not have liked to see Favre go out with a potential terrible year that so many do when trying to come back after it's time to hang 'em up.

larryinlc

07-28-2009, 06:12 PM

Some team should give Favre a call and say, "Hey Brett! We could use a quarterback coach."

All you Favre haters can say what you want, but I think he has the potential to be a good coach.

If I'm not mistaken, I believe he has a standing open multi-million contract to be part of the Packer organization.

Larry

kelmac07

07-28-2009, 06:38 PM

That is this weeks decision...change #3000 will come next week.

elderboy02

07-28-2009, 06:40 PM

Good, hopefully the next time I have to hear his name won't be until his induction to the HOF. ;)

:tpd: I am tired of the drama queen.

BlackDog

07-28-2009, 06:40 PM

If I'm not mistaken, I believe he has a standing open multi-million contract to be part of the Packer organization.
Yup, $20 million to be their "Director of Social Outreach" or some such public relations job. I'd be all over that like white on rice.

MNSmoker

07-28-2009, 06:57 PM

I think a lot of that is the coaching staff. How can he learn to deal with those pressure situations if they keep swapping QBs?
Admittedly, Favre was a great player, but the last few seasons he's thrown more picks than TDs. And with the bum shoulder, I doubt he would have been good for an entire season. Then the Vikes would have been forced to go with Jackson or Rosenfels anyway.

I agree that some of the blame has to go to the coaching staff, but the majority of it has to go to Jackson. He'll look fantastic at times when things are going great for the team and the game's not close, but if you need him to score a TD for you and it's late in the game, the guy's got no chance. There have been multiple times in the last couple of years where he's had opportunities to win the game for the Vikes and he totally folded.

I still had a lot of faith in Favre if he decided to join our squad for this season. He had shoulder problems at the end of last year, but he's had surgery in the off-season to correct those problems. His numbers at the beginning of last year pre-injury were pretty damn good. I think he still has the talent to play for another year if he wanted to. Unfortunately we're not going to find out.

The Vikes still have a solid squad this year and should win the North, but without a bonafide QB I don't believe we have a shot at competing for a super bowl. We needed Favre to put us over the hump.

chippewastud79

07-28-2009, 07:03 PM

:tpd: I am tired of the drama KING

He earned the right to make decisions as he sees fit. It is tough to hang up the cleats, particularly when a guy knows he can physically compete. He is a better QB than no less than 5 starters in the league right now. It is no doubt annoying, but the media made it much worse than it actually was. :2

Kreth

07-28-2009, 07:45 PM

I agree that some of the blame has to go to the coaching staff, but the majority of it has to go to Jackson. He'll look fantastic at times when things are going great for the team and the game's not close, but if you need him to score a TD for you and it's late in the game, the guy's got no chance. There have been multiple times in the last couple of years where he's had opportunities to win the game for the Vikes and he totally folded.
I see that as a lack of experience. They need a young QB that they can develop into a team leader. I think Jackson has that potential, but it's never going to happen as long as the coaching staff keeps playing musical QBs. I think the constant changes also contributed to Peterson's fumblitis. He gets the timing with one guy, and then someone else is under center the next week.
The Vikes still have a solid squad this year and should win the North, but without a bonafide QB I don't believe we have a shot at competing for a super bowl. We needed Favre to put us over the hump.
I don't see any point in bringing on a high-dollar player like Favre if he's not gonna be there for several years. The money could be better spent adding some depth to the roster.
In the Culpepper/Moss days, Minnesota was all aerial with no ground game. Now it's the opposite. They can't take full advantage of Peterson without a solid passing game to keep defenses guessing.

ucla695

07-28-2009, 07:47 PM

I believe it when I don't see him suited up in several seasons.

icehog3

07-28-2009, 08:25 PM

MNSmoker

07-28-2009, 09:14 PM

I don't see any point in bringing on a high-dollar player like Favre if he's not gonna be there for several years. The money could be better spent adding some depth to the roster.
In the Culpepper/Moss days, Minnesota was all aerial with no ground game. Now it's the opposite. They can't take full advantage of Peterson without a solid passing game to keep defenses guessing.

I think the reason why Childress wanted to bring Favre in this season was twofold; first, Childress knows that if he doesn't make a deep playoff run this year his job is probably in jeopardy. He's under contract for one more season after this upcoming season, and if this club doesn't perform well he's not going to get an extension. Zigy Wilf has given everything that Childress has asked for (pass rushing DE...Jared Allen. WR to stretch the field...Bernard Berrien, etc.). He's given Childress the go-ahead to sign players and has invested a lot into this club. I think Wilf wants to see a return on his investment.

Second, this club is set up to win now. This core group of players that we have right now are geared to win in the next couple of seasons. A veteran like Favre in Childress' west-coast offense would have probably given this club the best chance to win this year. That's not to say that Rosenfels or T-Jack can't get it done, but this is the same offense that Favre has run his entire career.

This day in age in the NFL, teams don't look long future. Because of free agency teams can go from worst to first in their division in a single season. NFL fans, and sports fans in general, have a win now attitude and demand that their teams put out a winning club every year. I'm hoping that the Vikes will still be solid with whoever they decide to put behind center this season.

MNSmoker

07-28-2009, 09:16 PM

Sign Vick. ;)

Let's not even joke about that one. ;) I disliked Vick even when he was the top paid player in the NFL. A QB who can't pass; no thank you. At least now he's got half a chance to be a decent player with the advent of the wildcat offense.

Kreth

07-28-2009, 09:30 PM

You make some good points, Chris. BTW, Berrian is another one of my Madden favorites. :r

King James

07-28-2009, 10:34 PM

Bummed he won't be playing anymore....but think it is time to retire

icehog3

07-28-2009, 10:36 PM

Bummed he won't be playing anymore....but think it is time to retire

Him, or you?

;) :r

BlackDog

07-29-2009, 08:27 AM

http://www.packerpalace.com/blog/images/Never-Forget-You-Brent.jpg

skibumdc

07-29-2009, 08:43 AM

I'll believe it in 5 years when he is still retired....otherwise I don't trust him.

macpappy

07-29-2009, 08:46 AM

If I'm not mistaken, I believe he has a standing open multi-million contract to be part of the Packer organization.

Larry

Yes. But it's not as a coach.
I think Favre has a lot to offer as a Coach.

King James

07-29-2009, 09:08 AM

macpappy

07-29-2009, 10:07 AM

I think with time the riff between Favre and the Packers (or Ted Thompson more specifically) will heal. I know he was talking about helping out with the HS team back home coaching, but don't know that he would return to the NFL to coach

There's been more than a few NFL players who have retired and then worked themselves into head coaching jobs in the NFL. And that's not mentioning all the former NFL players who are coaching everywhere from high school up.

It's a shame that Archie Manning didn't go into coaching. Look how well his sons turned out.

CueTheMusic

08-18-2009, 09:39 AM

Well, never mind about the whole being retired thing... Sounds like he is coming back. Again......

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4406963

elderboy02

08-18-2009, 09:56 AM

He is so selfish. He didn't want to participate in training camp.

I am so tired of his BS :td

VirtualSmitty

08-18-2009, 09:58 AM

He is so selfish. He didn't want to participate in training camp.

I am so tired of his BS :td

:tpd: The saga continues.

Emjaysmash

08-18-2009, 10:03 AM

He is so selfish. He didn't want to participate in training camp.

I am so tired of his BS :td

:tpd:

Figgin ridiculous. I'm sorry he went off and did this crazy crap. Some people in GB feel a little responsible for letting "our boy" out run a muck.

Genetic Defect

08-18-2009, 10:04 AM

:tpd:

Figgin ridiculous. I'm sorry he went off and did this crazy crap. Some people in GB feel a little responsible for letting "our boy" out run a muck.

good going :mad:

:r

Emjaysmash

08-18-2009, 10:13 AM

good going :mad:

:r

:fu

Genetic Defect

08-18-2009, 10:18 AM

:fu

it would be great if thompson joined favre in MN

Emjaysmash

08-18-2009, 10:21 AM

it would be great if thompson joined favre in MN

Yeah! both of them can shove it for all I care.

ridiculous. :mad:

TripleF

08-18-2009, 10:22 AM

C'mon back Favre!!!! :tu

Genetic Defect

08-18-2009, 10:24 AM

Yeah! both of them can shove it for all I care.

ridiculous. :mad:

:wo
and take mccarthy to be the new qb coach :r

Emjaysmash

08-18-2009, 10:26 AM

:wo
and take mccarthy to be the new qb coach :r

LOL :r

kelmac07

08-18-2009, 10:27 AM

He is so selfish. He didn't want to participate in training camp.

I am so tired of his BS :td

:tpd: So true!!

14holestogie

08-18-2009, 10:27 AM

Can't begrudge a guy who still wants to play and may have the ability, but his handling of the last few years will-he or won't-he sure won't win him many friends.

But I will be watching him just like last year when he was with the Jets, cause you never know what the he11 he'll do. He is fun to watch.

...and he'll always be a Packer, either way.

Genetic Defect

08-18-2009, 10:33 AM

coastietech

08-18-2009, 10:36 AM

C'mon back Favre!!!! :tu

C'mon back to where? I can assure you the Jet's don't want him... :r

I was pissed off when I heard they let Pennington go for Favre. That was a horrendous decision, and I hope that's what got Mangini fired (along with his pansy ass play calling.)

As for Favre any team would be signing their season away by letting him on the team. He causes way to much hate and discontent. He doesn't have the ability to become a leader on the team anymore because other players view him as a prima donna. Any leader will tell you that you lead from the front. He wants to feel above everyone else and that loses him the respect he needs to be a successful QB on any team...

{whispers} and for the record, he's never been that great of a QB anyways. The guy holds the record for interceptions and has been known to be a choke artist. {/whispers}

Ken

08-18-2009, 10:36 AM

his handling of the last few years will-he or won't-he sure won't win him many friends.

I hope he plays if he knows he is mentally and physically able. Though I don't put all this blame on him. The last two years he has jerked around quite a bit, though the media started this crap 8 years ago. Hell, after they won the Super Bowl they started to ask him if he'll retire since there wasn't anything else to play for. Many people tried to make that arguement that Elway retired, so you should go ahead and retire while on top.

Had I been in charge of GB last year I would have done the same thing and let Rogers replace Favre. You have to know where your team stands. Luckily for Favre all the QB's in Min suck ass.

I hope he has a great season.

BigCat

08-18-2009, 11:10 AM

He'll sign with the Vikings after training camp...mark my words. He just doesn't want to go through all that work.

:banger

replicant_argent

08-18-2009, 11:14 AM

Mr. Favvvray just landed a few minutes ago and will be signing his new contract. Yep, I thought this would happen.

Kreth

08-18-2009, 11:16 AM

Just go away, Bret Marino :rolleyes:

King James

08-18-2009, 11:49 AM

{whispers} and for the record, he's never been that great of a QB anyways. The guy holds the record for interceptions and has been known to be a choke artist. {/whispers}

I guess those TD and Yard records and never missing a game don't count for anything.... or all those MVPs :rolleyes:

14holestogie

08-18-2009, 11:54 AM

I guess those TD and Yard records and never missing a game don't count for anything.... or all those MVPs :rolleyes:

Yep, can't blame a guy wanting ALL the passing records. :)

I'm sure his attempts to interceptions ratio isn't anywhere near the worst in history, either. :2

coastietech

08-18-2009, 12:03 PM

I guess those TD and Yard records and never missing a game don't count for anything.... or all those MVPs :rolleyes: If you play longer than anyone else in the game your bound to break a record or two. Hell he's been in the league for what seems like 30 years I would hope he had a few records.

WildBlueSooner

08-18-2009, 12:05 PM

If you play longer than anyone else in the game your bound to break a record or two. Hell he's been in the league for what seems like 30 years I would hope he had a few records.

That seems to short his career just a tad don't you think :confused:

Ken

08-18-2009, 12:24 PM

and has been known to be a choke artist

I'm a big Favre fan, though I do not mind at all people being annoyed the last couple of years and not wanting to hear of the guy for 5 more years, but there are just some ridiculous comments. The guy is one of the top leaders in comebacks. The year Rhodes was the HC Favre had a 4th qtr comeback every other game.

coastietech

08-18-2009, 12:36 PM

I'm a big Favre fan, though I do not mind at all people being annoyed the last couple of years and not wanting to hear of the guy for 5 more years, but there are just some ridiculous comments. The guy is one of the top leaders in comebacks. The year Rhodes was the HC Favre had a 4th qtr comeback every other game.

I wasn't talking about individual games... I was talking seasons. Hell look at the Jets season last year. We had a great season in the beginning and middle of the season. The end of the season Favre looked like crap and blew our playoff chance. That isn't the first year that has happened to Favre.

I'm not saying he's a bad QB, I'm saying I don't think he is great. I think he is mediocre and that the reason he holds the records he does is because of the amount of time he has in the league. I think people are crazy to put him in the same category as "great" QB's like Montana, Young, Johnny U, Joe Willie, or Dan Marino.

Genetic Defect

08-18-2009, 12:37 PM

I wasn't talking about individual games... I was talking seasons. Hell look at the Jets season last year. We had a great season in the beginning and middle of the season. The end of the season Favre looked like crap and blew our playoff chance. That isn't the first year that has happened to Favre.

I'm not saying he's a bad QB, I'm saying I don't think he is great. I think he is mediocre and that the reason he holds the records he does is because of the amount of time he has in the league. I think people are crazy to put him in the same category as "great" QB's like Montana, Young, Johnny U, Joe Willie, or Dan Marino.

:rolleyes:
are the Jets a one man team?

coastietech

08-18-2009, 12:41 PM

:rolleyes:
are the Jets a one man team?

QB's often make or break a team. That's nothing new.

King James

08-18-2009, 12:47 PM

Dan Marino.

Brett beat Dan Marino for all the records, and I think Marino played like 15 seasons. Not to mention Favre broke the records when still a Packer 2 years ago....so the whole playing all these more games kinda gets tossed out the window.

And Favre has a ring, since the QB is the one who "makes or breaks" the team, I guess that would put him better than Marino as well? :confused:

:rolleyes:

Genetic Defect

08-18-2009, 12:49 PM

QB's often make or break a team. That's nothing new.

is that a yes or no?

chippewastud79

08-18-2009, 12:57 PM

QB's often make or break a team. That's nothing new.

And for a long time Brett Farve has made a team, not broken it. :tu

coastietech

08-18-2009, 01:20 PM

QB's can often make or break a team. QB is the most important position on the team. Any one who says differently doesn't watch much football. Are there exceptions? Of course. As much as a QB can make or break a team if the QB has no team he can't always excel. Such is the case with Dan Marino. Marino broke all the records and very rarely had a contender team. I hate the Dolphins but as a football fan I have to admit that Marino was one of the best. Had Marino played on a team that could support his skill he would have a ring.

Favre played on a team that made him look better than he was. Much like Emmitt Smith looked better on the Cowboys then he would have elsewhere.

I equate Favre to Emmitt Smith, a player that looked better than he was because of his team, and Marino to Barry Sanders a player that shined and was one of the best despite his lack of team support.

Kreth

08-18-2009, 01:23 PM

And for a long time Brett Farve has made a team, not broken it. :tu
The Jets might disagree with that...

coastietech

08-18-2009, 01:24 PM

The Jets might disagree with that...

:tpd:

VirtualSmitty

08-18-2009, 01:51 PM

As much as I dislike the whole retired untired thing Favre has been doing, I do think he is the greatest QB of all time :2

Genetic Defect

08-18-2009, 02:28 PM

Cliff notes; the Jets suck and didn't have a supporting team for Favre

Ken

08-18-2009, 02:44 PM

The Jets might disagree with that...
Anybody remember the surgery he had because he tore his arm up during the middle of the and kept playing. The Jets players loved having him because he brought back the fun in the game for them. But yeah, last part of the season was pretty rough.

And Favre does have that tendency to force plays when nothing else seems to be working, so when you hire that guy you understand the pos vs neg that come with his style of play.

coastietech

08-18-2009, 03:45 PM

Cliff notes; the Jets suck and didn't have a supporting team for Favre

Huh?!?:confused: We had one of the best offensive lines in football during 2008, he had Cotchery, Coles, Baker, and Brad Smith, all of which are above avg WR's. The only thing that we didn't really have is a running game, but even that was avg once Leon Washington was in. We were playoff contenders. We were 7-4, with a 5 game winning streak, going into week 13 and had done everything but secure a playoff spot, till Favre became a train wreck.

So what was this about a supporting team? Do you even watch football?

Genetic Defect

08-18-2009, 05:27 PM

Huh?!?:confused: We had one of the best offensive lines in football during 2008, he had Cotchery, Coles, Baker, and Brad Smith, all of which are above avg WR's. The only thing that we didn't really have is a running game, but even that was avg once Leon Washington was in. We were playoff contenders. We were 7-4, with a 5 game winning streak, going into week 13 and had done everything but secure a playoff spot, till Favre became a train wreck.

So what was this about a supporting team? Do you even watch football?

:rolleyes: above avg according to a blind fan

ucla695

08-18-2009, 07:39 PM

I believe it when I don't see him suited up in several seasons.

:D

King James

08-18-2009, 08:52 PM

The Jets might disagree with that...

cuz they were soooooo much better the previous year :rolleyes:

VTDragon

08-19-2009, 08:42 AM

I am just glad I'm not a Vikings fan.

There was an interesting interview on Comcast Sportsnet last night with Troy Brown, the retired Patriots receiver/defensive back. He was asked about defending Farve last year and said that the Patriots' coaches told the defense to just hang around, Farve would throw the ball to them sooner or later.

All in all it's really sad that many aging athletes cannot face the fact that their youth and most of the skills they previously had have left them and it's time to get on with life beyond the playing fields.