Sons of Anarchy Season 2 - DISCUSSION THREAD

[Gonesledn]

hate to be the poor kid in the middle

[Sauer Grapes]

Crap, I didn't even notice there was a little kid between those two. See, I'm already an outlaw, that kid is showing a blatant disregard for helmet laws.

[goalie204]

i joined as well. Gunna go visit chibbs

http://www.guzer.com/pictures/fat_guy_motorcycle2.jpg

[icehog3]

i joined as well. Gunna go visit chibbs

http://www.guzer.com/pictures/fat_guy_motorcycle2.jpg

Or Chubbs.... :r

[goalie204]

Or Chubbs.... :r

:su:r

[gvarsity]

hate to be the poor kid in the middle

I missed the kid the first time. ROFL

[goalie204]

tonight's episode is called Gilead. I have no idea what this means but can't wait to watch this!

_ Whoever had that link of where one can watch the show live if we don't have FX please PM ME the link <3

[dogface_313]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gilead

Doesn't really shed any light on what could be in store though.

[goalie204]

live stream of ep, anyone?

[dogface_313]

Great episode!

[Sauer Grapes]

I thought it was a pretty darn good episode.

I can't believe Jax tipped the ATF chick about what may have happened to the agent from Chicago.

[icehog3]

I thought it was a pretty darn good episode.

I can't believe Jax tipped the ATF chick about what may have happened to the agent from Chicago.

Yeah, that didn't seem to be real smart. About at smart as posting $300K for bail for a gang of outlaw bikers. :r

[goalie204]

I woke up early to dl/watch - great ep! Jax is smart

[Nabinger16]

gang of outlaw bikers. :r

Come on now..... Harley Davidson enthusiasts!!!

[itsme_timd]

Looks like a couple pieces of last night's episode referred to things in Season 1... guess I better get it downloaded and catch up.

[goalie204]

omg, you _HAVE_ to watch season 1 !!!

[itsme_timd]

omg, you _HAVE_ to watch season 1 !!!

I know... I hate not understanding what's going on!

[goalie204]

I know... I hate not understanding what's going on!

Well for that too, but also cuz it was just awesome!

[Scothew]

great episode!! Jax and Clay went at it!

And I heard the reference to the fbi chick, but i didnt get it i guess since i havent seen season 1 either. Im guessing she was a big part of it too?

[SmokeyJoe]

I don't think it was a tip... it was a straight up threat.

She was trying to play him as "the good guy" to give up the Irish. Jax was having none of it. He wanted her to realize that she could disappear, just like Kohn. Chilling, really, to see that side of Jax. Up to this point, his violence has been quick-tempered and heat-of-the-moment.

This time? That was straight up cold-blooded. Wow...

Also, noticed how everybody else went into the club house after they made bail, and Jax went the other way. Looks like Jax is losing all of his support.

This show always leaves me wanting more! Can't wait for next week. :tu

I thought it was a pretty darn good episode.

I can't believe Jax tipped the ATF chick about what may have happened to the agent from Chicago.

[Darrell]

I have to echo what Joe said, it was a straight up threat. She thinks that she is untouchable and Jax wanted to bring her back down to reality.

I don't know that Jax lost his support, I think maybe he made the choice to go the other way. I think he is telling Clay that he is fed up with his reckless attitude and his misuse of power.

This show is just WOW this season. WOW.

[Starchild]

I about $hit when the tranny shot the cop! :jd

"I guess he didn't want to be set up"

[gorob23]

Yeah, that didn't seem to be real smart. About at smart as posting $300K for bail for a gang of outlaw bikers. :r

Come on he just mentioned it....casual like! Kinda like saying "oh really you wonder why you haven't ever seen The Deck" you get their attetion, but they alway's have that look like on their face like " do they know something I don't or did they catch me acting like a back stabbing fool??
Good to have them think ;s

Here is the question Gamma or The doc? No you can't say the Po*n girl!:tpd:

Rob

[goalie204]

I about $hit when the tranny shot the cop! :jd

"I guess he didn't want to be set up"

Saw that one coming a mile away! How? cuz of where they shot that scene from :P

[icehog3]

Come on he just mentioned it....casual like! Kinda like saying "oh really you wonder why you haven't ever seen The Deck" you get their attetion, but they alway's have that look like on their face like " do they know something I don't or did they catch me acting like a back stabbing fool??
Good to have them think ;s

Here is the question Gamma or The doc? No you can't say the Po*n girl!:tpd:

Rob

If I was a young buck I would say Gemma, I bet she could teach a thing or two...but my current state of mind would have me seeking a "check-up".

;s :ss

[Scothew]

Come on he just mentioned it....casual like! Kinda like saying "oh really you wonder why you haven't ever seen The Deck" you get their attetion, but they alway's have that look like on their face like " do they know something I don't or did they catch me acting like a back stabbing fool??
Good to have them think ;s

Here is the question Gamma or The doc? No you can't say the Po*n girl!:tpd:

Rob

Peggy Bundy?!? Seriously???? :D

Im still shocked thats her. I totally did not recognize her when i first watched.

I gotta say Dr chick in this case.

Im with you guys, I dont think Jax is loosing control, i think he choose to sit this meeting out or whatever. Maybe Bobby and the rest will man up and tell clay how they fell.

Also any idea when we will see the injured crew back?

[GKitty]

Alright, so I'm late chiming in this week.

I've got to admit I grow fonder of Tara each week. Gemma's still my hero, but Tara might make an alright MC Princess before it's all said and done. I was really proud of them for not turning over Opi's kids to that **** chick. Not that I have anything against ****stars per se, but you don't just let any person take anyone's kids without talking to that person first. I like how the episode ended with Gemma and Tara standing alone in the parking lot. It's kinda how it's coming down. Keeping secrets, taking care of the "abandoned" children... I have a feeling the girls are going to play a big part in the upcoming power struggle.

I was so excited when that ATF agent showed up again. I freaking hate her!!! Can't even remember her name. She goes by "crazy b!+ch" in my head. Playing dirty, trying to turn people against each other, and just generally stirring the pot. She reminds me of this girl I knew in HS. Come to think of it, that girl got her nose broke too. :D Can't stand her, but she brings that spark to the powder keg.

Finally got to see some hardcore fireworks from Jax and Clay. And while there's a part of me that's all "About freaking time!", there's this other piece that wonders "why then?". Clay didn't know they were getting out. Why would he risk throwing gasoline on Jax's fire before sending him into a room alone with that sneaky good for nothing pot stirring slag?? Something's off/up/going on there. Just not sure what.

OK, one more thing and then I'll shut the hell up. Does anyone else think Opi has lost his freaking mind?! I mean I understand he needed the drugs to set up the tranny, but is robbing a drug dealer at gunpoint at the **** studio which is supposed to be their legitimate cover the best option?!?!? I think he may have hit his head too hard when he ran into the back of that car last week. Not that he hasn't got cause, but that guy is headed for a breakdown of nuclear proportions.

Ok, I lied. One more thing: THANK YOU, TRISTAN!!!! :D

[Scothew]

remember a few weeks ago when Clay told Jax sitting outside the club that if he mentioned opi's wife again, he'd kill him. The fed agent saying that (even though hale told her) to Clay is what set him off I think.

[Darrell]

Here is the question Gamma or The doc? No you can't say the Po*n girl!:tpd:

Gemma, I'd like a few lessons of whatever she is teaching. :r

[itsme_timd]

Here is the question Gamma or The doc? No you can't say the Po*n girl!:tpd:

OK, I can't say the **** girl.. but she did have a nice butt. :banger

Is YES an acceptable answer? :ss

[gorob23]

I was so excited when that ATF agent showed up again.

Mee too I thought She was hot, You now in a slutty kinda a way ;s

Rob :tpd:

[Sauer Grapes]

I about $hit when the tranny shot the cop! :jd

"I guess he didn't want to be set up"

I was actually disappointed with that scene. I thought it was totally predictable. The way they had the camera zoomed out so it was easier to do the special effects, I actually said as he was walking towards the car, "He's going to get shot by the tranny."

[GKitty]

Mee too I thought She was hot, You know in a slutty kinda a way ;s

No apologies necessary, Rob. I know what you mean.


Perv. :D

I've got my fingers crossed for a major cat fight between her and Gemma.

[gorob23]

I've got my fingers crossed for a major cat fight between her and Gemma.

In mud :tu

Rob :D

[icehog3]

In mud :tu

Rob :D

Tapioca pudding.

[RichardW]

After catching up on the first season and unable to find the first two episode of season two, I finally decided "Screw it" -- I watched episodes 3 through 6 (On Demand) and have 7 set to record. I should be up-to-date by Tuesday!!:ss

[Darrell]

Is it......SHOWTIME yet? :D

[gorob23]

Tapioca pudding.

AT THE DECK!!! Now that's COOKING :tu

Rob :tpd:

[icehog3]

AT THE DECK!!! Now that's COOKING :tu

Rob :tpd:

A seat with a view, por favor. :)

[GKitty]

OK... WTF!? So not only is Zobelle in bed with the Mayans, he's giving them FREE guns?!?!

This whole CaraCara thing is getting out of control. It shouldn't have gone on as long as it has and because they tried to be nice, look what happen to Luanne. What happen to "Next time Canseco Does Georgie"?

I'm intrigued with the whole Irish son and Zobelle's lil princess sideline. It seems trivial, which I've come to learn with these writers means it's a possible twist down the line. Can anyone tell me who "Jimmy O" is?

And why the hell is Chucky back?! That guy creeps me out.

[Sauer Grapes]

The first 5/6ths of the episode was, meh, IMO. Just didn't like it as much as the others this season. It got REAL at the end though. Man. Everything thing is hitting the fan on all fronts. I know Georgie is a minor threat compared to everything else SAMCRO is facing, but I think they should take care of him first.

[Sr Mike]

I enjoyed this last episode, it really set things up, the breaking down of the club is rather saddening to watch, especially since they have so much gathering against them.

[Scothew]

I was getting dissappointed at how the club is imploding on itself. I am hopeing what happende to luanne is the wakening point to the club and they come back together as one.

[icehog3]

I just can't believe we have to wait another 6 days to find out what happens next!

[Mark C]

OK... WTF!? So not only is Zobelle in bed with the Mayans, he's giving them FREE guns?!?!

Business investment right? He's using them to drive out other clubs. First the 9ers, now SAMCRO. My guess at least. Then Zobelle will have a close relationship with the only game left in town.

I'm intrigued with the whole Irish son and Zobelle's lil princess sideline. It seems trivial, which I've come to learn with these writers means it's a possible twist down the line. Can anyone tell me who "Jimmy O" is?

I think there's a twist. She seemed awful interested in the phone call between the irish kid and his Dad. Maybe they want to push in on the Irish turf? Cut out a middle man?

I was getting dissappointed at how the club is imploding on itself. I am hopeing what happende to luanne is the wakening point to the club and they come back together as one.

Previews make it look like the other way around. Looked like Clay was pinning it on Jax and Jax pulled the Donna card again...

[Starchild]

Previews make it look like the other way around. Looked like Clay was pinning it on Jax and Jax pulled the Donna card again...

Clay did say the next time Jax brought it up, he would kill him :rolleyes:

[GKitty]

Ok... here's my theory.

The whole Donna thing is going to come out, most likely because Tara is going to ask Jax about his comment about "killing women" and they have this whole "full disclosure" thing going. Tara can't keep a secret and Gemma will get it out of her. Then when Gemma confronts Clay about it, he pins it on trigger happy ultra-paranoid, sad and twisted Tig. I even think Clay's lil bit this week about Donna's shooting "flipping a switch" to Tig was setup work. So not only will Clay make it all out to be Tig's fault, Tig will step up and do the "right thing" by protecting his president and taking the blame.

I hope I'm wrong.

[SmokeyJoe]

Remember... Gemma already knows. She may not know the details, but she knew to ask the day after, "was that our mistake?"

I also thought the comment to Tig was curious and could really affect his character. Does he become even more rabidly devoted to Clay to prove his loyalty, or did it tweak him enough to begin thinking more for himself?

Thought Tig's attack on Opie about Trammel's shooting was surreal! What in the world?! And to see Clay's two lieutenants, Tig and Bobby, going at each other? Wow.

This show is never boring to me. I did not see the Luanne killing coming. Big Otto will not be much of a player anymore, I would assume. Hate to see those two roles gone from the show.

C'mon next Tuesday! :tu

Ok... here's my theory.

The whole Donna thing is going to come out, most likely because Tara is going to ask Jax about his comment about "killing women" and they have this whole "full disclosure" thing going. Tara can't keep a secret and Gemma will get it out of her. Then when Gemma confronts Clay about it, he pins it on trigger happy ultra-paranoid, sad and twisted Tig. I even think Clay's lil bit this week about Donna's shooting "flipping a switch" to Tig was setup work. So not only will Clay make it all out to be Tig's fault, Tig will step up and do the "right thing" by protecting his president and taking the blame.

I hope I'm wrong.

[Sauer Grapes]

Don't forget that Tig chickened out when it was time to protect Clay and the pledge stepped up. That's going to cause more of a rift later also.

[BarneyBandMan]

I was waiting to see Bobby freak out that Chucky was going to help with the books at the studio since he was hiding the two sets of books from the club in exchange for some Luanne ..uhh..uhmm...professionalism.;)

[SmokeyJoe]

Don't forget that Tig chickened out when it was time to protect Clay and the pledge stepped up. That's going to cause more of a rift later also.

Good catch! Totally missed that fact. Interesting, indeed... :hm

[GKitty]

Don't forget that Tig chickened out when it was time to protect Clay and the pledge stepped up. That's going to cause more of a rift later also.

ok, so I wasn't the only one who thought that was significant. How about in the scene with the irishman? Everyone else is kinda hanging back and the prospect in the one advancing on the guy. Perhaps having a pair is making the prospect a lil more aggressive. (I can't believe we made it this long before someone made a neutical reference and it was ME.)

[SmokeyJoe]

ok, so I wasn't the only one who thought that was significant. How about in the scene with the irishman? Everyone else is kinda hanging back and the prospect in the one advancing on the guy. Perhaps having a pair is making the prospect a lil more aggressive. (I can't believe we made it this long before someone made a neutical reference and it was ME.)

:r :r :r :r Thanks for the laugh. :tu

[GKitty]

Remember... Gemma already knows. She may not know the details, but she knew to ask the day after, "was that our mistake?"

Ok, I've been obsessing about this point for the last hour or so. I remember Gemma asking the question, but I don't remember Clay answering it. Which if that's the case; she doesn't "know", she's suspicious.

And I'm sure all of you will agree a suspicious woman is even more troublesome than one who knows what's up.

:r :r :r :r Thanks for the laugh. :tu

I seriously was expecting all kinds of posts about that development. Or at the very least someone to make a "gay-curious" comment. I giggled ridiculously.

[goalie204]

good ep

[gvarsity]

I was waiting to see Bobby freak out that Chucky was going to help with the books at the studio since he was hiding the two sets of books from the club in exchange for some Luanne ..uhh..uhmm...professionalism.;)

That is a good point. This episode is setting up a lot of things. I thought the end was damn good. Don't forget that the Opies kids were in the room for that. I think the prospect will get his rocker at some point soon and take on a bigger role. I would like to see something good for the club so there is something to cheer for. Watching the club just implode gets depressing at some point.

I'm so glad I'm caught up and I can read and post in this thread rather than trying to avoid hearing anything about the episode.

[Darrell]

This was a really good episode but at the same time it was a really bad episode. It was bad in terms because of the club destroying itself from the inside out.

Clay needs to be a man and tell Opie what happened. Everyone is so quick to blame Jax for the beef with Clay, if Opie knew that Jax was pissed because Clay ordered the hit on Donna, I have a feeling Opie would be signing a different tune.

I knew Zoebelle was going to get in bed with the Mayans. I don't know how, but I had that feeling the entire time.

Tig totally hesitated when he he was supposed to protect Clay. How about the part where Clay told Tig "I'm not even sure this patch makes sense anymore". He was referring to the SGT AT ARMS patch that Tig wears for anyone who did not catch that. I see a changing of the guard real soon if Tig does not get his **** straight.

and Chibbs has a wife? and Gemma is afraid of her? Gemma said she has only been afraid of 3 women and one of them in Chibbs wife. This should be an interesting twist. This was a great episode, and I can't wait for next week.

[icehog3]

But how does Clay man-up and say "It was us who killed Donna...sorry about that, Bro....we meant to kill you".

[Scothew]

Better be a heck of a cigar they are smoking for that news breif to go over well.

[goalie204]

But how does Clay man-up and say "It was us who killed Donna...sorry about that, Bro....we meant to kill you".

By handing out behikes firsT? :)

[Darrell]

But how does Clay man-up and say "It was us who killed Donna...sorry about that, Bro....we meant to kill you".

No he says, I ordered Tig to kill YOU because I thought you were a rat. Their was a **** up in the plan.

[icehog3]

No he says, I ordered Tig to kill YOU because I thought you were a rat. Their was a **** up in the plan.

I know I would be fine if someone killed my wife but explained it nicely like that, Darrell. ;)

[Darrell]

I know I would be fine if someone killed my wife but explained it nicely like that, Darrell. ;)

I never said everything would be fine. However, it's about time Clay got the sand out and admitted it, as long as it keeps brewing the club will continue to tear itself apart.

[Sauer Grapes]

The last thing clay should do, from a survival point of both him and the club is to tell opie the truth. He's damned either way, but he's more damned if he makes enemies with opie.

Sure, it's what a man would do, but don't forget, SAMCRO are criminals and as much as the show glorifies them, and as much as we like members of the club, the aren't upstanding guys.

[BarneyBandMan]

yeah, but Jax has more to lose than Clay..Clay is the past and Jax is the future..for Opie to be a part of the future, he needs Jax...and who's to say he doesn't already know Clay's past killed his wife. He has been acting as one who abandons his past, as far as Donna and the kids are concerned...or whatever...Canes just got their a**es handed to them by the Flyers..so I may not be handling the past well right now anyway...lol:r

I LOVE this show...

[Sauer Grapes]

Clay's past didn't kill Opie's wife, the hit Clay ordered on Opie killed her. Clay was directly responsible for that death.

[GKitty]

YAY!!!! Tuesday's here!!

[dogface_313]

It begins

[icehog3]

Wow! Just Wow!

[itsme_timd]

90 minutes next week! Time for some serious action!

[Darrell]

I can't wait for next week!!

[Sr Mike]

The prospect is doing his job, he wants the MC to want him. His rush to the fight only makes him look better. Oppie should go Nomad, he is is getting dirty and becoming the muscle for the club. If it does come out that Clay put the hit on Oppie, one of them will be gone from the MC and there are basically two ways a person leaves a MC, retirement and death.

Jax is too emotional, it is causing way too much distress for Samcro. Will he really leave his mother club?

[SmokeyJoe]

90 minutes next week! Time for some serious action!


So... Chucky is dead, presumably burned to a crisp? Apparently they will find the charred remains of one Ernest Darby in the middle of the rubble... another character that I hate to see go.

Jax is leaving the Redwood Original, it seems. And previews indicate that Gemma tells Jax that his Dad's death was no accident... unbelievable. Seems to be heading toward either Jax killing Clay or Clay doing in Jax... not much way to avoid it, especially if Jax fingers Clay for his dad's death.

This show continues to amaze. Kurt Sutter is a genius. :tu

[Darrell]

I really do not see either Clay or Jax going just yet. Something is def. brewing but it seems like to kill either of those would have been like killing Vic off in Season 3 of the Shield. :2

[SmokeyJoe]

I really do not see either Clay or Jax going just yet. Something is def. brewing but it seems like to kill either of those would have been like killing Vic off in Season 3 of the Shield. :2

I know... I know... but if Jax finds that Clay is responsible for his dad's death, it is hard to imagine how Sutter will resolve that. He has already made several moves I didn't expect. :D

It really is a great show... lots of twists and turns! Hate to lose Luanne... and possibly Darby, it seems.

[Scothew]

Jax also thinks Clay burnt down caracara right? At the end of the episode, the outcome of Darby or itch boy Chucky wasnt brought forth to Jax's knowledge yet so who knows where that might go.

And the fact that Jax to get Opies trust back could easily spill the beans on what Clay ordered and his wifes untimely death, could put Opi back in jax's corner, and we know how much of a loose canon he's been lately.

[Sauer Grapes]

Don't have cable anymore, but found a place to watch it online. This was one suspenseful episode. Nothing really got wrapped up, even more is now in chaos. Can't wait until next week!

[goalie204]

if your place pnline allows to watch live, please PM me it :)

[Sauer Grapes]

I sent you a PM. It's not live, but it's a week quicker than hulu.

[goalie204]

It's cool brah ,i appreciate the link, but i download about an hour after it's out from a private site, i just want live!

[Sauer Grapes]

PM me the private site if you don't mind. Is it safe?

[goalie204]

Ya bro, but it's private and invite only, and i don't have invites atm, sorry :S

[icehog3]

90 minutes tonight, I am stoked! :banger

[Darrell]

90 minutes tonight, I am stoked! :banger

Same here, Bro!!

[Ranger_B]

Just grabbed a taboo lancero for tonights show. 50 min and counting.

[goalie204]

i dont think this hotel has FX, im going to cry

[icehog3]

Less than 10 minutes!! Light 'em up!! :ss

[SmokeyJoe]

Love the prison fight... :tu

Goin' Nomad!!!

[SmokeyJoe]

Makin' it look like Piney might off himself. Hope he doesn't do it. :(

[icehog3]

Makin' it look like Piney might off himself. Hope he doesn't do it. :(

Hope that Jax's decision gets to him before he makes a bad decision himself.

What an excellent episode...I would not want to be AJ Weston right about now.

[Sr Mike]

That did not seem like 90 minutes, not a bad episode.

[BengalMan]

That was one of, if not the best episode of this series. Action, emotion, conflict, and what looks to finally be the start of some resolution. How many episodes left in this season? For some reason I thought this was the finale since it was an hour and a half, thankfully I was wrong, lol.

[BarneyBandMan]

I have to agree. Best episode of the season, for me. The way it ended reminded me of the Sleep of the Babies (next to last episode last year). Camera is panning what everyone is doing and there is a great song playing over it. Last year was Audrea Mae on a cover of Dylan's "Forever Young" as we watch how Donna's death is weighing on everyone late into that night. This one had Patty Griffin's "Mary" as Gemma was telling them about the attack. How we all knew she was doing what she thought was best to keep the club together..sacrificail, kinda.

Again, great episode

[Ranger_B]

Yeah I love the fact that just as you think you see where this is going he throws in another turn. By far best episode of the season.

[loki]

pinny needs to put the 1911 away...

[Starchild]

I have to agree. Best episode of the season, for me. The way it ended reminded me of the Sleep of the Babies (next to last episode last year). Camera is panning what everyone is doing and there is a great song playing over it. Last year was Audrea Mae on a cover of Dylan's "Forever Young" as we watch how Donna's death is weighing on everyone late into that night. This one had Patty Griffin's "Mary" as Gemma was telling them about the attack. How we all knew she was doing what she thought was best to keep the club together..sacrificail, kinda.


The prospect and Tig on shrooms really lightened the somber mood of the ending :hf

Great episode

[icehog3]

The prospect and Tig on shrooms really lightened the somber mood of the ending :hf

Great episode

Best mushroom scene since "Young Guns". :r

[gbum]

bobby wears helmet front to back :r

[Sauer Grapes]

pinny needs to put the 1911 away...

I agree. I thought we were gonna lose him. Maybe we did?

Definitely the most emotional ending of the series so far. Even more so than Donna's death IMO. Of course that is a very close second.

[goalie204]

wasn't 90 but good ep still. 3 episodes left in the season.

[Scothew]

In the previews for the next one, I for one am glad to see Jax wearing his patches and Clay asking "what would you do?". Turning point in the club for the good??

[Darrell]

I liked this episode and it was very well written, however ultimately I'm a bit underwhelmed.

I believe Gemma telling Clay and Jax about what happened means that all of Clay and Jax's beef is on the back burner now, if not gone forever. The main thing now is to take care of Zobelle.

I also noticed in the previews that Jax has his VP patch back on and he grabbed them on the way out the door, I knew he was not leaving. Things are going to heat up between SAMCRO and the Skins for real. On the preview Clay asked Jax what he would do and he said "Kill em ALL!"

Is it Tuesday YET?

[Sauer Grapes]

Tonight...

Still wish I could watch it live. I'll have to settle for internet watching late tonight or sometime in the next couple days.

[goalie204]

aye same. I can download it tmrw, but no FX

[BengalMan]

Were we go!!!

[BengalMan]

In the previews for the next one, I for one am glad to see Jax wearing his patches and Clay asking "what would you do?". Turning point in the club for the good??

Ugh, so we thought. Never expected what just happened.....

[gvarsity]

There are a lot of layers to this show. The Gemma thing shows how committed/calculating she is. She took something that was meant to hurt the club and played it at the point where it could bring the club back together.

Just finished tonight's episode. I liked it but I can't wait to hear what other think.

[icehog3]

I loved this episode, all kinds of things coming to the surface.

I must admit though, when I saw the preview of the coming "showdown", the first thing that came to mind was the News Team Brawl in "Ron Burgandy, Anchorman". ;) :r

[Starchild]

I loved this episode, all kinds of things coming to the surface.

I must admit though, when I saw the preview of the coming "showdown", the first thing that came to mind was the News Team Brawl in "Ron Burgandy, Anchorman". ;) :r

"I killed a guy with a trident!" :r

It was great to see the club get all of their issues out in the open. And gathering a little intelligence for once. Look how much they found out after tailing people for one day. Like Chibs said, I don't know what they would do without Gemma.

I hope the prospect gets his elephant nuts sorted out. I LOL'd at that :r

[SmokeyJoe]

I loved this episode, all kinds of things coming to the surface.

I must admit though, when I saw the preview of the coming "showdown", the first thing that came to mind was the News Team Brawl in "Ron Burgandy, Anchorman". ;) :r

:r BarneyBandMan cracked me up today with the same observation...

He said we could expect Marcus Alvarez (Mayan Boss) to show up and say...

"Como estan, Beetches!?" :D

[itsme_timd]

My $&*#@ DVR cut off the last 3-4 minutes!!! Stopped right as Clay was walking into the office to talk to Gemma.

I expected more violence in this episode, I hope they stop the "building up" soon and get to laying the smack down!

[SmokeyJoe]

My $&*#@ DVR cut off the last 3-4 minutes!!! Stopped right as Clay was walking into the office to talk to Gemma.

I expected more violence in this episode, I hope they stop the "building up" soon and get to laying the smack down!


Let's just say they didn't just "talk". :ss

But they did do something else that ends with "k". :D

[itsme_timd]

Let's just say they didn't just "talk". :ss

But they did do something else that ends with "k". :D

LOL, I gotcha! :banger

[icehog3]

BarneyBandMan cracked me up today with the same observation...

He said we could expect Marcus Alvarez (Mayan Boss) to show up and say...

"Como estan, Beetches!?"

:r :r

My $&*#@ DVR cut off the last 3-4 minutes!!! Stopped right as Clay was walking into the office to talk to Gemma.

I expected more violence in this episode, I hope they stop the "building up" soon and get to laying the smack down!

Let's just say they didn't just "talk". :ss

But they did do something else that ends with "k". :D

Yup...Clay laid the smackdown on Gemma for sure. :r

[Scothew]

next weeks gonna be lead filled I believe.

Im still shocked at how information came out like it did. And how Opi handled it. Left her crying was epic.

but clay going to jax in the middle of hte night asking him to not leave, perfect end (hopefully) to their beef.

[Darrell]

So......did anyone else notice the kiss between Gemma and Tig. I mean prior to him bending her over?

Uh....that was just weird. He was in her house, drinking vodka and then kissing Clay's wife???

Did I miss something?

[itsme_timd]

So......did anyone else notice the kiss between Gemma and Tig. I mean prior to him bending her over?

Uh....that was just weird. He was in her house, drinking vodka and then kissing Clay's wife???

Did I miss something?

I wondered if I missed something prior to that as well. Gemma didn't look too surprised when he kissed her and it was obvious just a bit later that she didn't mind it... weird.

[icehog3]

Gemma earlier told the Doc that Clay woulnd't want her anymore because she was tainted. She wanted to feel desirable, but quickly reverted to a "victim mentality" when she turned around for Tig to be behind her. It wasn't about about Gemma and Tig as much as it was about Gemma and Clay.

[Bruins Fan]

I think the mushroom trip..has given Tig a conscious ?

[icehog3]

I think the mushroom trip..has given Tig a conscious ?

Rather than a conscience, I think Tig knew finishing the deed would have been both a knife in the back of a friend, and possibly a death sentence.

[goalie204]

what an awesome episode.

You know what makes me sad about soa? everytime an episode ends...i want more....more more more more more..NOW! :)

[LasciviousXXX]

Wow! There were so many things that I did not expect in this episode. Everything just kind of all snowballed and came out at once. Chibbs talking with the ATF, details of Donna's death, Gemma and Tig (WTF btw). What a great episode. It feels like they packed so much into this one.

Not to mention Clay and his bullet-dodging adventure :)

[loki]

Gemma earlier told the Doc that Clay woulnd't want her anymore because she was tainted. She wanted to feel desirable, but quickly reverted to a "victim mentality" when she turned around for Tig to be behind her. It wasn't about about Gemma and Tig as much as it was about Gemma and Clay.
gemma wanted the sausege and tig wanted some kitty. nothing more, nothing less

[icehog3]

gemma wanted the sausege and tig wanted some kitty. nothing more, nothing less

Opinions vary. ;)

[goalie204]

can i just say again...what a great ep! best one ever

[gvarsity]

gemma wanted the sausege and tig wanted some kitty. nothing more, nothing less

I don't think that was it at all. I think Icehog really summed it up nicely. The psychology beyond that interaction was right on. Tig was also a wreck and needed validation. His whole reason for exiting has been in question/destroyed by killing Donna. He was a heartless badass but he had a very strict set of rules that made his role make sense. Killing Donna violated most of those and messed his ass up. He had been consistently slipping in each episode since then. I think the mushrooms opened the flood gates and he couldn't live with himself. I think he was ready to die when he admitted to killing Donna to Opie. I thought Opies reaction was pretty layered and nuanced. I definitely think the next few episodes are going to be a whole lotta hurt coming down on Zobelle. I still think that at some point Donna's death is going to be revisited. At least I hope so. Something like that doesn't just go away.

[Darrell]

I have to go back to the kiss.

That was not a peck on the lips amongst friends.

That was a kiss that has happened before IMO.

[Starchild]

I have to go back to the kiss.

That was not a peck on the lips amongst friends.

That was a kiss that has happened before IMO.

I had that thought as well. I also thought back to him and Gemma, when Tig told Clay "I've always got your back", and told him what Gemma needed at the end. It could be that he felt he was doing what he needed to do to help save their relationship. Either that or he felt guilty about what happened. Either way, it did seem like that wasn't the first time.

[gvarsity]

I have to go back to the kiss.

That was not a peck on the lips amongst friends.

That was a kiss that has happened before IMO.

It could have been alluding to a previous history, sexual or non-sexual we have no idea about their pre-show timeline history.

To me it was more two pretty messed up people, with a lot of personal history desperately reaching out to someone else in a time of need. A misery loves company moment. Tig stepped back because he realized that having sex with Gemma would take him further down the road he started on when he killed Donna. I think that made him realize he would rather be dead than continue that way and the only way to stay alive was to come clean to Opie and face the consequences even if meant letting Opie kill him. IMHO that was one of the more profound and well done sequences I have seen on television.

[Scothew]

My brain is fried.. is tonight the last episode of the season or next to last?

[goalie204]

2nd last tonight.

[dogface_313]

Can't wait. Should I go Cain Maduro, or Habano for a pre show smoke?

[gvarsity]

I can't wait. I suspect tonight will wind us up for the big finish in the last episode.

[Darrell]

I'm not ready for the season to be over. :sad

[icehog3]

Looks like the season finale next week is another 90 minute episode. :tu

[Scothew]

So thoughts on last night?

[icehog3]

I will catch it on TiVo tonight after work, Scott. I guess I will stay out of this thread the rest of the day now. :r

[BarneyBandMan]

So I'll give first impressions. Great episode, though BarneysFunGirl started doing the Jets v Sharks snap dance near the end, and was waiting for Brick and his trident to make an appearance..lol. I thought the "family" emphasis was very good. I think it helped to put faces on whom all that SAMCRO feels responsible.

I really liked the Tara/Jemma conversations that led to the Tara smackdown at the hospital. BarneysFunGirl works at a hospital (on the medical side) and could identify with the admin conflict.

I also really enjoyed Jax re-establishing himself as a bad arse with all the partners and with Weston (ahh, don't you love Rollins in that role) and Zobelle.

Best line--no question: Half a sack, s**t load of balls---still laughing over that one.

[iRiSh]

watched the first season of this during the year and i can honestly say its the best tv prog ive seen since the sopranos.

sadly we arnt getting season 2 until may 2010!

[Ranger_B]

Thought this week was great but once again I dont see them closing the season cleanly. I see next week making more questions instead of answers. Great lead into next season but man do I hate that wait.

[iRiSh]

question, what ring gauge do you recon the cigars clay smoke are?

[goalie204]

50-52

http://www.smokemag.com/0908/cover.htm

[iRiSh]

50-52

http://www.smokemag.com/0908/cover.htm

cheers pal, good article.
He seems like a cool guy:tu

[dogface_313]

Tonight!!!!

[Darrell]

I'm not ready for the season to end. Someone hold me. :sad

[Scothew]

It'll be ok Darrell. You can go hibernate for the rest of the winter and come back out when the season 2 dvd's hit stores. that shoudl pacify you till season 3.

[GKitty]

I'm with Darrell. Not ready for it to be over. Especially not ready to spend 6 months in agony wondering about what's going to happen next. I think Ranger_B is right. There's no way they can wrap everything up and there's sure to be a cliffhanger until next season (as if they need one to ensure people will tune back in).

10 hours and counting here.

[icehog3]

I'm not ready for the season to end. Someone hold me. :sad

http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/aa73/icehog3/ugly.jpg

Come to Momma.......

[goalie204]

the boner killer.

[Scothew]

I'm with Darrell. Not ready for it to be over. Especially not ready to spend 6 months in agony wondering about what's going to happen next. I think Ranger_B is right. There's no way they can wrap everything up and there's sure to be a cliffhanger until next season (as if they need one to ensure people will tune back in).

10 hours and counting here.

I have no doubt. Look at what they do on Rescue Me each season. Tommy is bound to die sometime or another just hasnt yet.

[Darrell]

http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/aa73/icehog3/ugly.jpg

Come to Momma.......

I don't want your sloppy seconds. :D

[icehog3]

I don't want your sloppy seconds. :D

Even if she grows a soul patch? :confused:

[Darrell]

Even if she grows a soul patch? :confused:

Especially, if she grows one. :pu

[icehog3]

Especially, if she grows one. :pu

She said for you, she will even braid her armpits.

[BarneyBandMan]

I'll go first..oh wait..can't spoil it...all I know is, I'm quitting my job, moving to NoCal, hiding out in the woods to see how season 3 resolves all this

I can't sleep...need a cigar...:ss

[av8tor152d]

Wow that's all I have to say for now. I would not want to be an Irish man right about now.

[Sr Mike]

Oh my...

[Ranger_B]

WTF who saw that coming? Thats all ill say for now.

[RichardW]

WTF who saw that coming? Thats all ill say for now.

It hasn't hit the West Coast yet, boys. Still waiting ;)

[icehog3]

Someone mention cliffhanger? How about 3? :r

[Sr Mike]

It hasn't hit the West Coast yet, boys. Still waiting ;)
DirecTv here, I have to watch shows on Eastern time :ss

[Starchild]

I missed last weeks episode, so I watched it before this weeks. It was like a movie once I skipped the commercials.

Awesome episode!

[rennD]

That was an interesting finale.

[Scothew]

I was scared to open this thread because I didnt get to watch it last night. Hopefully I will today sometime.

[iRiSh]

Wow that's all I have to say for now. I would not want to be an Irish man right about now.

something interesting happen with the irish then?

[av8tor152d]

something interesting happen with the irish then?
Without spoiling it for those who have not yet seen it let's just say, Sam Crow sure won't be looking to share any drinks with them anytime soon.
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[Darrell]

SPOILER WARNING!

Holy ****. So much happened last night. I will say, I am a little disappointed with Zoebelle being an FBI informant. That route just seemed too easy for the story line. If we are lucky he will be back to help make Season 3, however I think Cameron will be the main focus for SAMCRO in the beginning.

Gemma is on the run with Wayne Unser? Where is he taking her? Weird deal there. Who knew Stahl was so sneaky?

Here is my thoughts on that situation, maybe our Veteran Law Enforcement Officers can clarify. When Stahl shot the Young Irishman (cannot recall his name), she used her service weapon which was probably a .40 and when Gemma shot the blonde she used probably a .45 judging by the size of the gun. Wouldn't the GSR have been different from each round? So Gemma could have stayed and that evidence could have went to court and been proven through CSI type investigating? Am I way off here?

Kurt Sutter posted this on Twitter this morning:

"In response to one reviewer unimpressed by the finale cause "we would never kill a baby". clearly, he's never spent anytime inside my head." :eek:

What will happen to baby Abel? :(

[Walt]

The twist with Zoebelle was a little disappointing. While I never saw it coming, it just felt too easy.

The last few minutes were a little disturbing and had me right on the edge of my seat. While a bit disturbing, it played out fantastically. I had chills when Jax screamed and the end, and during the scene leading up to that.

I love this show to death, but I dread the long wait between seasons. The finale was a perfect setup for Season 3, there is just so much that could happen!

[SmokinApe]

The girls would have never been out running "errands" on a day that important, especially with a kid prospect guarding them...

[Bruins Fan]

Is it next season yet :D

[newcigarz]

What will happen to baby Abel? :(


He'll be raised Irish and he and weston's kid will start a new MC. :D

[RichardW]

Wow!! I cannot wait for season 3 :ss

[goalie204]

i didn't think it was that great of a finale... bit dissapointed

[Sr Mike]

Here is my thoughts on that situation, maybe our Veteran Law Enforcement Officers can clarify. When Stahl shot the Young Irishman (cannot recall his name), she used her service weapon which was probably a .40 and when Gemma shot the blonde she used probably a .45 judging by the size of the gun. Wouldn't the GSR have been different from each round? So Gemma could have stayed and that evidence could have went to court and been proven through CSI type investigating? Am I way off here?
I was thinking the same thing about the guns, two weapons each would have different markings on the bullets. Gemma's mistake was touching Stahl's gun when she tossed it to her. Prints on both guns. Except prints would have shown she did not grip the handle or put a finger on the trigger.

I wonder if they are going to try and portray a similar relationship between Tara and Hale, like Unser and Gemma?

[SmokeyJoe]

Still processing that last episode!

Just a few thoughts:

1) RIP Half-Sack. I will miss this character a lot - one of my favorites. Hate he is apparently gone for good and in such a pointless way. :(

2) Jimmy O. is apparently not very swift in dealing with rats. Edward and Cameron should have been gone already.

3) Gemma... running away with Unser? Really....? Not implying anything untoward - he is more of a father-figure. But what is that all about?

4) Is Sutter saying his mind is twisted enough to really do in Abel? Hope that doesn;t happen.

5) Stahl is smart... and evil! What a piece of work.

6) Gonna be a LONG wait for next season!!! :ss

[Scothew]

wow..... thats all i can say about the finale.

[Ken]

1) RIP Half-Sack. I will miss this character a lot - one of my favorites. Hate he is apparently gone for good and in such a pointless way. :(


Yeah, just seemed pointless the way he went. I liked the character as well.

[itsme_timd]

3) Gemma... running away with Unser? Really....? Not implying anything untoward - he is more of a father-figure. But what is that all about?

I took this as Gemma just getting out of Charming for a while and leaving SAMCRO to take care of business.

Hmmmmm... lots to think about until next season!

[iRiSh]

Without spoiling it for those who have not yet seen it let's just say, Sam Crow sure won't be looking to share any drinks with them anytime soon.
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sounds interesting, i'll see it in the summer:(

[Darrell]

Dion Giolito (Owner of Illusione) and I were talking about the finale on Twitter and he said he saw Sack dying all along, he said he was like the new guy on the Away Team in the old Star Trek.

[Scothew]

Anyone else think Stahl signed her own death warrent the moment Gemma talks to Clay?

[GKitty]

Dion Giolito (Owner of Illusione) and I were talking about the finale on Twitter and he said he saw Sack dying all along, he said he was like the new guy on the Away Team in the old Star Trek.

You would reduce a great character to "Ensign #3", meanie. :tg

If all they wanted was a dead body, they could have killed a number of other members. Hell, they brought back the d-bag they burned the tat off of last season. I'm sure some of us would have been happy to see him go. (BTW, wtf was he doing there?!?! Is he back in good standing now?!?!) I think they wanted to heighten the drama by killing someone we actually cared about and they were able to do that without impacting their storyline options by taking out someone who is well known and well liked, but is basically a reactionary character. His character bio on FX's webpage describes him as having "more heart than brains". It seems this outcome was inevitable, yet is still heartbreaking.

I got my hopes up when Gemma followed Polly into the safehouse where Stahl was waiting. I thought my dream of a Gemma-Stahl throwdown was finally going to come true. But alas, it was not to be. I didn't think I could hate Stahl more than I did, but after her hijinks in this finale I'm praying for violent and painful end for her. Conniving, backstabbing, ruthless... I'm really sorry Opie didn't pull the trigger on her.

I'll end my rant there. More later.

[itsme_timd]

Anyone else think Stahl signed her own death warrent the moment Gemma talks to Clay?

Nope. Stahl's going to get busted for her lies and pay the price, lose her job and end up in prison then one of the people she put behind bars is going to juke her with a prison shank! :banger

[Ranger_B]

Speaking of shank. It was nice to see the guy in prison (cant remember his name) finally get some peace. Lord knows he has lost enough this season

[Walt]

Read an interview with Sutter that essentially said that Sack wasn't completely happy in his role and wanted a way out with dignity. Rather than keeping an actor on that wasn't 100% happy with the direction his character was going, he was killed off.

[SmokeyJoe]

Read an interview with Sutter that essentially said that Sack wasn't completely happy in his role and wanted a way out with dignity. Rather than keeping an actor on that wasn't 100% happy with the direction his character was going, he was killed off.

I get that... but I liked the character and what he brought to the show. Season 3 should be wide open!
(Assuming FX has ordered another season...)

[Walt]

Wish I remembered where I read the Sutter Interview. Season 3 is official and I believe it is on schedule for September. Another long wait it seems.

[NCRadioMan]

(Assuming FX has ordered another season...)

It's their highest rated show, therefore their cash-cow. No way they would cancel it.

[SmokeyJoe]

It's their highest rated show, therefore their cash-cow. No way they would cancel it.

Woo Hoo!!!! :D

[Sauer Grapes]

Finally got around to watching this... I can't believe they killed Sack. I'm torn on the episode. It was a great episode, but I hated so much of what happened in it. Zobel is alive, Sack is dead, Gemma is framed for one of the two murders she is wanted for and Abel is kidnapped. I mean, they have to build up for next season, but damn.

[Darrell]

I get that... but I liked the character and what he brought to the show. Season 3 should be wide open!
(Assuming FX has ordered another season...)

Kurt Sutter reported on his blog that he and FX made a deal and their will be a Season 3. The finale of Season 2 had over 5 million viewers.

[goalie204]

i like shows that don't leave cliff hangers till next season, they end it and start over the following season, like dexter. You can still have a great show without stupid cliff hangers. I'm dissapointed in Soa but obviously still a big fan

[Starscream]

i like shows that don't leave cliff hangers till next season, they end it and start over the following season, like dexter. You can still have a great show without stupid cliff hangers. I'm dissapointed in Soa but obviously still a big fan

Kinda spoke too soon;). The story arc is over, but that finale left a whole lot of unanswered questions.

[goalie204]

i know right. First time

[loki]

i got season 1 for christmas and is it just me or did they change jax and clay's tats for season 2?

[SmokeyJoe]

i got season 1 for christmas and is it just me or did they change jax and clay's tats for season 2?

What changes did you notice?

I have been watching Season 2 again through Amazon. Incredible! Really gonna miss the Prospect next season. He was a great character. :ss

[icehog3]

September 2010 for the Season 2 season premiere....so far away. :hn