who's going to the Michael Jackson Memorial?

[mrreindeer]

Alright, fess up, who of my Angeleno BOTL/SOTL's are goin'?

(this message sent using a mobile device outside of the Staples center)


:r:r:r

[King James]

I'm sick of hearing about MJ and the coverage of this is really getting sickening. I can't imagine how much worse it is in California

[pnoon]

Who the hell cares?
And why should the taxpayers/city be saddled with the extra costs of the circus?
Let MJs estate, the celebs, and/or the attendees pay for all the police, fire, sanitation costs that the financially strapped city will end up paying for.

[Scottw]

Who the hell cares?
And why should the taxpayers/city be saddled with the extra costs of the circus?
Let MJs estate, the celebs, and/or the attendees pay for all the police, fire, sanitation costs that the financially strapped city will end up paying for.

Agreed 100%, this is getting old and now they are parading this sicko pedophile around town hoping to throw it on the taxpayers tab. Is there nothing else for people to do?

[mrreindeer]

SERIOUSLY! Couldn't agree more. It's NUTS.

[Wolfgang]

As long as the funeral doesn't last 3 days like the Late Ronald Reagan. Lets make this quick and get it over with. Mourning will not bring him back. Pay respects and move on remembering the good things. One action does not make a career.

[Whee]

Every freakin' network has this on. Glad I have a DVR.

[csbrewfisher]

Great day to avoid the news outlets.

[68TriShield]

Not me.

[King James]

As long as the funeral doesn't last 3 days like the Late Ronald Reagan. Lets make this quick and get it over with. Mourning will not bring him back. Pay respects and move on remembering the good things. One action does not make a career.

Big difference between Jacko and President Reagan, though :2

[Genetic Defect]

Every freakin' network has this on. Glad I have a DVR.

why, are you recording all the news? :wo

[Genetic Defect]

Big difference between Jacko and President Reagan, though :2

he still has a valid point.

[kydsid]

Who the hell cares?
And why should the taxpayers/city be saddled with the extra costs of the circus?
Let MJs estate, the celebs, and/or the attendees pay for all the police, fire, sanitation costs that the financially strapped city will end up paying for.

Please tell me LA isn't paying for all this! When my mother died it was $350 for a motorcycle cop, $500 for a cruiser and on an on. I understand the security implications but if his estate isn't footing the bill for at least some of the cost that is complete and utter BS.

[King James]

he still has a valid point.

agree to disagree I guess

[poker]

I'm just waiting for news of violence outside the Staples Center. I would actually be surprised if it didn't happen before long.

[poker]

Who's paying you ask? Guess...

http://www.myfoxla.com/dpp/news/politics/Jackson_Memorial_Costs_20090706

[pnoon]

Please tell me LA isn't paying for all this! When my mother died it was $350 for a motorcycle cop, $500 for a cruiser and on an on. I understand the security implications but if his estate isn't footing the bill for at least some of the cost that is complete and utter BS.
http://www.cnn.com/2009/US/07/07/michael.jackson.security/index.html
From the link.

"The total cost for security at the event is estimated to be between $2 million and $4 million"

[ade06]

I would go if I lived in L.A.

Roundtrip flight to L.A. from Philly = $400
2 night hotel accomodations in L.A. = $460
Replical offical white M.J. glove = $100
To be a part of the world's largest moon walk or Thriller dance = Priceless!!!

[Genetic Defect]

Please tell me LA isn't paying for all this! When my mother died it was $350 for a motorcycle cop, $500 for a cruiser and on an on. I understand the security implications but if his estate isn't footing the bill for at least some of the cost that is complete and utter BS.

its how the rich get richer, :mad:

[mrreindeer]

why, are you recording all the news? :wo

:r:r

I'm just waiting for news of violence outside the Staples Center. I would actually be surprised if it didn't happen before long.

Be careful out there buddy! :D

http://www.cnn.com/2009/US/07/07/michael.jackson.security/index.html
From the link.

"The total cost for security at the event is estimated to be between $2 million and $4 million"

:bh

[mrreindeer]

I would go if I lived in L.A.

Roundtrip flight to L.A. from Philly = $400
2 night hotel accomodations in L.A. = $460
Replical offical white M.J. glove = $100
To be a part of the world's largest moon walk or Thriller dance = Priceless!!!

:r:r

[rack04]

This is a great quote from Councilman Dennis Zine:

This is not an emergency. This is a memorial service for a celebrity who died a week ago. We are cognizant of AEG's need to honor the memory of Michael Jackson, but they should also be cognizant of the taxpayers' needs.

[St. Lou Stu]

I'm watching it live on the internets now...
http://media.myfoxla.com/live/







NOT

[rizzle]

It's the edge of the world
And all of western civilization
The sun may rise in the East
At least it settles in the final location
It's understood that Hollywood
sells Californication.

[ade06]

Didn't I hear that CA was so cash strapped that they are issuing state tax refunds via IOUs???

[doctorcue]

Wow... a lot of "GRRR" in here.

[poker]

:r:r According to CNN:

Bratton said "We're not anticipating disorderly crowds," he said. "We're just anticipating very large crowds."

Considering how some folks in LA react when they're happy (ie: Laker win), I think he smoked something illegal.
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3597/3628603160_1b580a7228_o.jpg

[Whee]

why, are you recording all the news? :wo

Guess what we're watching at the August MoB herf.:r

[Alpedhuez55]

This sums up how a lot of people feel about MJ. It is funny stuff....but uses a lot of lbad anguage and is NSFW.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tVACUjHn6yU

I would go if it was open casket and I could Piss on his rotting corpse. Though he probably would have liked that if I was 11. The world is a better place with him dead!!!

[Genetic Defect]

Guess what we're watching at the August MoB herf.:r

:r

[tuxpuff]

This sums up how a lot of people feel about MJ. It is funny stuff....but uses a lot of lbad anguage and is NSFW.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tVACUjHn6yU

I would go if it was open casket and I could Piss on his rotting corpse. Though he probably would have liked that if I was 11. The world is a better place with him dead!!!

Wow...just...wow. :mad:

[mikeyj23]

This sums up how a lot of people feel about MJ. It is funny stuff....but uses a lot of lbad anguage and is NSFW.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tVACUjHn6yU

I would go if it was open casket and I could Piss on his rotting corpse. Though he probably would have liked that if I was 11. The world is a better place with him dead!!!

I'm sorry you feel that way... I wouldn't wish that kind of emotion on anyone.

[Alpedhuez55]

Wow...just...wow. :mad:

Sorry, just saying what I feel about him.

I have two friends I grew up with who were the victims of pedophiles. Both are gone. One was was killed and the other could not live with the abuse and the shame brought upon them and took their own life.

I think it is a disgrace that the media is giving him this love fest usually reserved for popes and presidents because he had a few hit singles in the 80s.

I am glad he is dead and he can rot in hell.

[Scottw]

This sums up how a lot of people feel about MJ. It is funny stuff....but uses a lot of lbad anguage and is NSFW.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tVACUjHn6yU

I would go if it was open casket and I could Piss on his rotting corpse. Though he probably would have liked that if I was 11. The world is a better place with him dead!!!
Everyone here is certainly entitled to their opinion but whoa, this one was a bit over the top.

[ade06]

I'm sorry you feel that way... I wouldn't wish that kind of emotion on anyone.

:tpd: The man had issues for sure, but he was never convicted of any crimes and his music will live on forever.

[ahc4353]

A saying of one of the 11 comes to mind but I'll wait. :tt

[SchizoFilly]

:tpd: The man had issues for sure, but he was never convicted of any crimes and his music will live on forever.

Yeah, probably not. Younger generations don't really know who the guy is or listen to his music. Sure, he'll have his cult-like followers who will say he was the greatest of all time, much like Elvis, but also, much like Elvis, most people won't miss him or his music. :2

[TheTraveler]

Yeah, probably not. Younger generations don't really know who the guy is or listen to his music. Sure, he'll have his cult-like followers who will say he was the greatest of all time, much like Elvis, but also, much like Elvis, most people won't miss him or his music. :2

Which raises the question: 20 years from now what WILL he be remembered for?

20 years after my death few other than my family and friends will remember me more than once a year. A few teachers, classmates, co-workers, etc may have occasional memories of me but, since I had no power to make big marks on the world, 99.99999% of the world's population will never even know I existed.

But, with the fame and wealth he possessed while alive, what lasting improvements or marks did he leave? Some people will have fond memories of his music, the impact it had on their adolescent years, their first concert, etc. But that group of people is small in comparison with a count of all the humans that were alive during his lifetime or will have lived within two generations of his career's peak.

We all have the power to make small changes for the better in our little corners of the world. He had the opportunity to make large improvements (or at least try) - but what did he do?

At any rate, I hope he passed peacefully and I hope his soul and the rest of the world can go forward peacefully.

Just food for thought. I'll get off my .....

hey, where's that little soapbox icon?!?!?

:D

[ade06]

Yeah, probably not. Younger generations don't really know who the guy is or listen to his music. Sure, he'll have his cult-like followers who will say he was the greatest of all time, much like Elvis, but also, much like Elvis, most people won't miss him or his music. :2

I have to disagree with you on the younger generation not knowing about his music. Post death, his music is being downloaded like a rash. See http://www.top10songs.com/. M.J. was bigger than just a few hits in the 80s. His dance style, music video breakthroughs and work ethic has impacted many of the modern day pop and r&b entertainers (e.g. Usher and Justin Timberlake just to mention a couple). Much like Elvis... maybe... he did marry into the Elvis family :), but I think that's about as far as the connection goes. At the end of the day, will I miss him? Probably not, other than the occasional freak show escapades. But, I truely believe that his music and his influence on today and tomorrow's music will not be forgoten. :r

[HK3-]

:pu:pu:pu:pu

[SchizoFilly]

I have to disagree with you on the younger generation not knowing about his music. Post death, his music is being downloaded like a rash. See http://www.top10songs.com/. M.J. was bigger than just a few hits in the 80s. His dance style, music video breakthroughs and work ethic has impacted many of the modern day pop and r&b entertainers (e.g. Usher and Justin Timberlake just to mention a couple). Much like Elvis... maybe... he did marry into the Elvis family :), but I think that's about as far as the connection goes. At the end of the day, will I miss him? Probably not, other than the occasional freak show escapades. But, I truely believe that his music and his influence on today and tomorrow's music will not be forgoten. :r

You may be right, but I don't spend any time listening to pop or r&b so I don't see his influence spreading throughout the masses of music.

I too am a fan of the freak show he was and hope that he has at last found some peace from his problems, self-inflicted or otherwise.

[massphatness]

I'm not a huge fan of Michael Jackson's music and less of a fan of Michael Jackson, the man. However, raging against him in his death does no one any good. My opinion only, but the greater insult you could hurl would be one of apathetic disinterest.

[BC-Axeman]

I grew up with his music, from The Jackson 5 on. There was a cartoon series Sat. mornings. I thought "Thriller" was a great album and the MTV videos rocked. We were the same age. That said, he was already seriously weird at the time of "Thriller" and continued to get stranger. I was creeped out by him. He was a schizophrenic narcissist (separated from reality, in love with himself) and with enough money to get away with whatever he wanted and he got lost in it. He deserves NO honor or worship.
May God have mercy on his soul.

[marge796]

It just shows how screwed up our country is with prioritizing what's really important and what's not.


This falls into the "outrage category" for me!!!


:mad:


Chris.....

[kelmac07]

Being a fan of his earlier stuff (Off The Wall) and growing up watching the Jacksons on TV my heart goes out to his family. No man or woman deserves to get "put down" immediately after their death. Michael was definetly different, but so was Kurt Cobain, Jim Morrison, Jimi Hendrix, etc.

[e-man67]

As long as the funeral doesn't last 3 days like the Late Ronald Reagan. Lets make this quick and get it over with. Mourning will not bring him back. Pay respects and move on remembering the good things. One action does not make a career.


But Ronald Reagan was a great ex-president so the ceremony was a little more tolerable...not some junkie pedophile like MJ(but he was a great singer and dancer THAT"S ALL!)

[kydsid]

But Ronald Reagan was a great ex-president so the ceremony was a little more tolerable...not some junkie pedophile like MJ(but he was a great singer and dancer THAT"S ALL!)

The difference is that Ronald Reagan was a former President. By tradition, law, and general respect for a former Commander in Chief we the people of the United States are obligated to pay for his internment ceremony. We are not however obligated to pay for any other citizen of the United States other than our Veterans or Public Servants killed in the line of duty.



Seems like LA needs to take a lesson from USDA. The USDA is in the business of promoting anything and everything agriculture. But they have a regulation and policy that we will help everyone but if you cost us extra money the bill will be in the mail.

[ade06]

It just shows how screwed up our country is with prioritizing what's really important and what's not.


This falls into the "outrage category" for me!!!


:mad:


Chris.....

I don't get it. Why such outrage over people wanting to show their last respects to one of their childhood entertainers who died?

[Scottw]

I don't get it. Why such outrage over people wanting to show their last respects to one of their childhood entertainers who died?

Nothing wrong with that but asking that the taxpayers of the area in which the venue is taking place to pay for it is a bit absurd especially considering the fiscal condition of the state at this time. Think about that.

[icehog3]

I Said You Wanna Be Startin' Somethin'
You Got To Be Startin' Somethin'
I Said You Wanna Be Startin' Somethin'
You Got To Be Startin' Somethin'
It's Too High To Get Over (Yeah, Yeah)
Too Low To Get Under (Yeah, Yeah)
You're Stuck In The Middle (Yeah, Yeah)
And The Pain Is Thunder (Yeah, Yeah)

[tzaddi]

I'm Starting With The Man In The Mirror,
(Man In The Mirror-Oh Yeah!)
I'm Asking Him To Change His Ways
(Better Change!)
No Message Could Have Been Any Clearer
(If You Wanna Make The World A Better Place)
(Take A Look At Yourself And Then Make The Change)
(You Gotta Get It Right, While You Got The Time)
('Cause When You Close Your Heart)
You Can't Close Your . . . Your Mind!
(Then You Close Your . . . Mind!)

Na Na Na, Na Na Na, Na Na, Na Nah………………

[jjirons69]

Did Michael Jackson die??? Where have I been???

[marge796]

Nothing wrong with that but asking that the taxpayers of the area in which the venue is taking place to pay for it is a bit absurd especially considering the fiscal condition of the state at this time. Think about that.

^^^ What Scott said ^^^

[Scottw]

Did Michael Jackson die??? Where have I been???

Yes he had a heart attack when he found out "Boyz 2 Men" is not a delivery service.

[ade06]

Yes he had a heart attack when he found out "Boyz 2 Men" is not a delivery service.

LOL

[ade06]

Nothing wrong with that but asking that the taxpayers of the area in which the venue is taking place to pay for it is a bit absurd especially considering the fiscal condition of the state at this time. Think about that.

Thought about it. :tu See my earlier post "Didn't I hear that CA was so cash strapped that they are issuing state tax refunds via IOUs???"

But isn't a large part of L.A.'s economy driven by the entertainment business. I'm sure that over the years M.J. (and M.J. related taxes, sales taxes, ticket sales, movie video revenue, etc.) has provided L.A. with more than enough loot to pay for the police to maintain order for his memorial service. I actually think that the concert promoter and Staples Center owner who is hosting the public memorial should pay for it. But, I'm sure the owner will tell the city of L.A. to "just beat it."

[kydsid]

Thought about it. :tu See my earlier post "Didn't I hear that CA was so cash strapped that they are issuing state tax refunds via IOUs???"

But isn't a large part of L.A.'s economy driven by the entertainment business. I'm sure that over the years M.J. (and M.J. related taxes, sales taxes, ticket sales, movie video revenue, etc.) has provided L.A. with more than enough loot to pay for the police to maintain order for his memorial service. I actually think that the concert promoter and Staples Center owner who is hosting the public memorial should pay for it. But, I'm sure the owner will tell the city of L.A. to "just beat it."

So the most productive members of our society deserve free services from the government and the rest of us get what? I would have had to pay for police at any funeral I organize, well unless it's an in the line of duty death (god forbid), and so should everyone else. MJ was a private citizen and should die and be buried as one. Unless you die for your country/community the commnity isn't responsible for paying to organize your funeral.

[SeanGAR]

Sorry, just saying what I feel about him.

I have two friends I grew up with who were the victims of pedophiles. .

You know anybody that was accused of being a pedophile as a ripoff scam?

http://sjsandteam.wordpress.com/2009/06/28/jordan-chandler-admits-he-lied-about-michael-jackson/

[ade06]

So the most productive members of our society deserve free services from the government and the rest of us get what? I would have had to pay for police at any funeral I organize, well unless it's an in the line of duty death (god forbid), and so should everyone else. MJ was a private citizen and should die and be buried as one. Unless you die for your country/community the commnity isn't responsible for paying to organize your funeral.

Agreed, but our country is not founded on what we deserve. A large part of our country (like or not) is based upon the rich getting richer and the poor getting poorer. Unfortunately for the majority of the L.A. community, they will be on the short end of this broom. Lastly, the city of L.A. has seen and will see a huge increase in tax revenue from out of towners who will fly into LAX, stay in the local hotels, eat at the local restaurants and buy souvenirs from the local merchants. Will the increase revenues outweigh the city resources spent? I don't know, but probably.

[doctorcue]

Let's not forget that there were thousands of people that showed up who DIDN'T have tickets to the Staples center event. Some form of crowd control is needed for the public. Want to get mad? Get mad at those who showed up without tickets. From all news reports; there were no incidents reported.

I agree with ade06. LA can't complain when an international star passes and causes a commotion. If they don't want that; then don't promote celebrities or have huge venues by which to hold these. Perhaps the planning commision should have voted down Staples center, the Nokia theater, & the like. Can't have it both ways.

[hotreds]

Sorry, couldn't make the trip out west!

[floydpink]

You know anybody that was accused of being a pedophile as a ripoff scam?

http://sjsandteam.wordpress.com/2009/06/28/jordan-chandler-admits-he-lied-about-michael-jackson/

I was gonna hold off getting into this, but...Exactly! 20 MILLION.

Everybody is quick to crucify this guy and piss on his open casket but would be the first to cry like a little girl if they weren't innocent until proven guilty by a court of law if someone was accusing them, and God knows they tried to find him guilty.

ONE accuser, no guilty verdict.

Pathetic, and be careful where you let your kids sleep.

[MajorCaptSilly]

I think Fred Travalena should get some love too!

http://www.latimes.com/news/obituaries/la-me-fred-travalena30-2009jun30,0,653197.story

MCS

[hotreds]

Fred was very talented!

[Alpedhuez55]

I think Fred Travalena should get some love too!

http://www.latimes.com/news/obituaries/la-me-fred-travalena30-2009jun30,0,653197.story

MCS

He was the entertainment at my old company's Christmas Party about 20 years ago. He was pretty funny, but I think the open bar may have helped too :tu

[rizzle]

Agreed, but our country is not founded on what we deserve. A large part of our country (like or not) is based upon the rich getting richer and the poor getting poorer. Unfortunately for the majority of the L.A. community, they will be on the short end of this broom. Lastly, the city of L.A. has seen and will see a huge increase in tax revenue from out of towners who will fly into LAX, stay in the local hotels, eat at the local restaurants and buy souvenirs from the local merchants. Will the increase revenues outweigh the city resources spent? I don't know, but probably.

This thread is headed way off into the wrong direction, but nonetheless, statements such as that one are what's wrong, in large part, with this country. That's just crazy talk bro.

[poker]

Its over. Lets give it & him a rest now.