Somali Pirates

[icehog3]

NAIROBI, Kenya – Bracing themselves on a rolling warship in choppy seas, U.S. Navy snipers fired three flawless shots to kill a trio of Somali pirates and free the American sea captain being held at gunpoint, a Navy commander said Monday.

Angry pirates vowed retaliation for the deaths, raising fears for the safety of some 230 foreign sailors still held hostage in more than a dozen ships anchored off the coast of lawless Somalia.

"From now on, if we capture foreign ships and their respective countries try to attack us, we will kill them (the hostages)," Jamac Habeb, a 30-year-old pirate, told the Associated Press from one of Somalia's piracy hubs, Eyl. "(U.S. forces have) become our No. 1 enemy."

Nuke 'em. :2

[Rockestone]

Do they never learn....You Don't Mess with the U. S.!!

[Smokin Gator]

Nuke 'em. :2

Twice just to be sure:2

[Footbag]

My friend and I were up until 4 AM Saturday night just talking about the hopstage situation and how the Navy should simultaneously snipe the pirates holding the captain.
This just shows off the talent and skill of our servicemen.
I got to announce to our Easter table that they got the pirates. Times like these your proud to be an American.

[Blueface]

Those Navy snipers were unreal.
Two separate boats rocking. Critical shots only to be taken once.
Nailed them!!!

Oh what joy!!!

[BC-Axeman]

My friend and I were up until 4 AM Saturday night just talking about the hopstage situation and how the Navy should simultaneously snipe the pirates holding the captain.
This just shows off the talent and skill of our servicemen.
I got to announce to our Easter table that they got the pirates. Times like these your proud to be an American.
:tpd: And if they think they want to avenge and escalate the situation, then they should be careful what they wish for.:usa:jd

[G G]

Take no prisoners.

[BamBam]

"(U.S. forces have) become our No. 1 enemy."

Do these people not watch the news.

You are a "PIRATE" and you wanna pick a fight with the greatest military ever assembled.

You throw as much as a rock at one of our ships and we will crush your entire organization like a bug.

[TripleF]

Do these people not watch the news.

You are a "PIRATE" and you wanna pick a fight with the greatest military ever assembled.

You throw as much as a rock at one of our ships and we will crush your entire organization like a bug.


Yeah, what he said :tpd:

[Don Fernando]

Do they never learn....You Don't Mess with the U. S.!!

Or the French, who did a succesful rescue mission too.

the UN should send a full army on Sudan, the pirates are protected by the murdering warlords that run the country by killing all non muslims and my surpressing the locals. Time to stop the murdering son's of *****es.

[hotreds]

HOORAH!

http://www.michaelworth.com/images/Navy-Seals.jpg

[elderboy02]

Those Navy snipers were unreal.
Two separate boats rocking. Critical shots only to be taken once.
Nailed them!!!

Oh what joy!!!

:tpd: Those guys are awesome! :dance:

Bring it on pirates! (where the heck is the gun smiley?)

[md4958]

Nuke 'em. :2

:tpd:

[Footbag]

MILITARY CONSIDERS ATTACK ON PIRATE LAND BASES

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=washingtonstory&sid=aYhvgOfyTmYA

They asked for it! Most Somali pirates live in small coastal villages, so we're not talking about Mogadishu here. What do you guys think?

[icantbejon]

It certainly is a great story for our boys. What shots! Glad that boat captain is going to make it home safely to his family. What an Easter gift for them right?

[elderboy02]

MILITARY CONSIDERS ATTACK ON PIRATE LAND BASES

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=washingtonstory&sid=aYhvgOfyTmYA

They asked for it! Most Somali pirates live in small coastal villages, so we're not talking about Mogadishu here. What do you guys think?

:dance: Lets do it. They said they would kill us, so it would be justified.

[BlackDog]

The pirates seem sort of suprised that some of their own got shot. Someone please tell them that pirating can be a dangerous job.

[Darrell]

MILITARY CONSIDERS ATTACK ON PIRATE LAND BASES

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=washingtonstory&sid=aYhvgOfyTmYA

They asked for it! Most Somali pirates live in small coastal villages, so we're not talking about Mogadishu here. What do you guys think?

This sounds like a worthy cause to me. I support it! :tu

[rack04]

The pirates seem sort of suprised that some of their own got shot. Someone please tell them that pirating can be a dangerous job.

Intimidation will only get you so far. Sometimes you just pick on the wrong person.

[Footbag]

US congressman Donald Payne barely escapes mortar blast at airport in Somalian capitol. Update: Unknown whether Americans were the targets. -CNN

Apparently mortars go off there very frequently.

[elderboy02]

US congressman Donald Payne barely escapes mortar blast at airport in Somalian capitol. Update: Unknown whether Americans were the targets. -CNN

Apparently mortars go off there very frequently.

Great :mad:

Paging U.S Military, Paging U.S. Military...........

[floydpink]

Weird tangent, but I wonder what the SEALS used to hit those guys?

[elderboy02]

Weird tangent, but I wonder what the SEALS used to hit those guys?

:tpd: I was wondering the same thing.

[Darrell]

Weird tangent, but I wonder what the SEALS used to hit those guys?

I would imagine it was the Barrett M107, .50 BMG.

[smokin machinist]

Nuke 'em. :2

Twice just to be sure:2

:tpd:

That would work well! SEALS just proved again that they are efficient and silent!!!! :usa:wo

[BamBam]

Intimidation will only get you so far. Sometimes you just pick on the wrong person.

True words. True words

[mosesbotbol]

There's still 230 hostages in Somalia that do not have the US Navy Seals to help them out. I hope their fate is not sealed due to our actions. I am glad were able to show our stuff to the world watching under a new president. He certainly faired better than Carter and Clinton under similar circumstances when they were president.

The world needs to get on the same page and figure out how to deal with these pirates as if affects everyone.

[SmokeyJoe]

I hate Somali Pirates even more than Illinois Nazis! :ss

http://i211.photobucket.com/albums/bb28/Revtiger/gibson_henry5.jpg

[King James]

Way to send those 3 pirates to their maker. Whose next? Time to take them all out.

[BamBam]

There's still 230 hostages in Somalia that do not have the US Navy Seals to help them out.


YET.

I'm sure wheels are in motion.

[floydpink]

In a recent conversation on a gun forum, there was a question posed to a Marine asking what he felt when he shot a terrorist.

He shrugged his shoulders and replied, "recoil?"

At that point, I realized I have missed my life's calling and am now too old to correct that oversight.

One saving grace is the castle doctrine here in Florida which allows intruders to be shot and assumed to be a deadly threat.

[replicant_argent]

I suppose a history class might have prevented this situation from its inception if the Pirates simply understood the phrase "From the halls of Montezuma, to the shores of Tripoli."
Yes, I know the shooters were Navy Seals, not Marines, but the sentiment, and the continent is the same.

[Darrell]

YET.

I'm sure wheels are in motion.

Apparently plans are in motion as we speak and Mr. Obama has already delivered a speech about our stand against pirating.

[BC-Axeman]

Weird tangent, but I wonder what the SEALS used to hit those guys?
First thing I thought of.

I have heard two different distances reported 20-30 meters and 100 meters. A.308 would would just fine at those ranges. I read they took head and shoulders shots.

:wo

[Savvy]

First thing I thought of.

I have heard two different distances reported 20-30 meters and 100 meters. A.308 would would just fine at those ranges. I read they took head and shoulders shots.

:wo

At those ranges I think I could make the shots with an M16A2, however with the boat rocking it might be a little trickier, but an M4 with a scope would probably fix that problem too. Don't know if they necessarily used a sniper rifle for this, and if they did, I'm fairly sure it wasn't a .50 cal, as those rip people apart at distances over half a mile, can't imagine what they'd do at 100m.

Glad we finally took some action here. I was on the phone talking to my grandma and she was wondering why we haven't sent in a SEAL team to take care of the problem. I thought to myself that we probably had, but we just weren't allowed to know about it yet... Anyway I talked to her for about 30 minutes and checked the news, and I let her know what happened. I felt good about it.

As far as the military getting involved with the situation, I support it, we shouldn't have to deal with problems like this, nor should any other country. I say we take out the problem. Hell, if we're going someone put me on a plane (I'll set up communication...) and if need be I'll use a weapon.

[DPD6030]

About time they smoked those pirates. They should have done that to Bin Laden a long time ago. Why wait? :fu

[68TriShield]

[I'm fairly sure it wasn't a .50 cal, as those rip people apart at distances over half a mile, can't imagine what they'd do at 100m.]
I was thinking the same thing Jordan.

[mosesbotbol]

I'm fairly sure it wasn't a .50 cal, as those rip people apart at distances over half a mile, can't imagine what they'd do at 100m.


No way was it a .50 cal.

[darb85]

they parascheted in and took up position on the back of the boat. Moved in when There was an obvious threat. the 4th pirate who didnt die actually didnt want to go back to the life boat after he recieved medical attention from the navy and was working with them to try to help.

[loki]

Weird tangent, but I wonder what the SEALS used to hit those guys?
I'm assuming some type of bullet

[BC-Axeman]

I'm assuming some type of bullet
30mm. Heh, heh, heh. Maybe not. :D
* * *

[Old Sailor]

Those Navy snipers were unreal.
Two separate boats rocking. Critical shots only to be taken once.
Nailed them!!!

Oh what joy!!!

Snipers where Seals ,well done guys!

[macpappy]

My son and I had been sitting around wondering why the Navy just didn't send the Seals in under cover of darkness to play "pop the pirate". All I can say is IT WAS ABOUT TIME!

Now we can all sit back and listen to all the wussy hand wringers talking about how the evil U.S. has just made the situation worse by murdering those three law abiding Somailian patriots. I can't wait for some pillar of human rights to stand up and call for a UN trial in international court charging the Seals with murder.

[macpappy]

I suppose a history class might have prevented this situation from its inception if the Pirates simply understood the phrase "From the halls of Montezuma, to the shores of Tripoli."
Yes, I know the shooters were Navy Seals, not Marines, but the sentiment, and the continent is the same.

I think the pirates have watched Pirates of the Caribbean and some of the other romantic Hollywood movies too many times...

[DrDubzz]

Lots of SF types like to modify the M14 and use it for sniping/sharpshooting etc.

[SeanGAR]

Way to go boys ... if you're ever in my neck of the woods, beers are on me. About frickin time those scum face bullets instead of stacks of $100 bills. Next time they need to give them counterfeit money then blow them out of the frickin water after they head back to shore/mothership. A few months of 99% mortality and pirating won't seem to be such a good option anymore.

[jamesb3]

Nuke 'em. :2

Agree with Admiral on this. The only course of action is an overwhelming show of force. No walking on eggshell appproach. Just hit em where it hurts.:2

[BC-Axeman]

Agree with Admiral on this. The only course of action is an overwhelming show of force. No walking on eggshell appproach. Just hit em where it hurts.:2
Yeah! When has the "walking on eggshells" ever put a swift end to bad behavior?
Maybe not nukes, though. Do we still have big gun battleships? Crater the coastline. Could you imagine the soiled pants if a battleship or two parked off their ports and swiveled it's guns around.
:r

[CBI_2]

Twice just to be sure:2
:r:r:r 10-4 on that.


I bit like this guys philosophy for world peace. http://www.imao.us/docs/NukeTheMoon.htm

[JPH]

:wo

[BC-Axeman]

:r:r:r 10-4 on that.


I bit like this guys philosophy for world peace. http://www.imao.us/docs/NukeTheMoon.htm
Yeah! That's what I'm talking about!

[Drat]

A few months of 99% mortality and pirating won't seem to be such a good option anymore.
That's what ended piracy the first time around.

[MedicCook]

Spike TV just announced they have a deal with the US Navy and will start filming in 2 weeks for a reality show. They hope to have it on tv by September.

[Wolfgang]

"Dead men tell no tales" Take out every pirate on board simultaneously.

[MedicCook]

Just don't kill the dread pirate roberts.

[icehog3]

Just don't kill the dread pirate roberts.

http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/aa73/icehog3/dread.jpg

[MedicCook]

http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/aa73/icehog3/dread.jpg

That is my second favorite movie of all time.

[RGD.]

I for one was elated to read the news reports. It's always just kinda pissed me off that a handful of "pirates" in little speed boats could actually take over a big ass ship like they do. So yeah - kudos to the Navy Seals on not wasting any bullets - 3 bad guys, 3 Navy Seals, 3 bullets! Practice pays off.

But why stop here. We have satellites, AWACS and all that other secret spy stuff at our disposal - so why not use it for more practice.

1 pirate mother ship.
1 US Navy attack submarine
1 torpedo.
Practice.

1 pirate strong hold.
1 Arleigh Burke class destroyer.
1 Tomahawk Block IV cruise missile.
Practice

1 pirate speed boat.
1 Navy/Marine AH-1 SuperCobra
1 AGM-114 Hellfire
Practice

The list could go on.

And before I forget - kudos to France also for jumping in and kicking some butt themselves.


Ron

[Old Sailor]

I for one was elated to read the news reports. It's always just kinda pissed me off that a handful of "pirates" in little speed boats could actually take over a big ass ship like they do. So yeah - kudos to the Navy Seals on not wasting any bullets - 3 bad guys, 3 Navy Seals, 3 bullets! Practice pays off.

But why stop here. We have satellites, AWACS and all that other secret spy stuff at our disposal - so why not use it for more practice.

1 pirate mother ship.
1 US Navy attack submarine
1 torpedo.
Practice.

1 pirate strong hold.
1 Arleigh Burke class destroyer.
1 Tomahawk Block IV cruise missile.
Practice

1 pirate speed boat.
1 Navy/Marine AH-1 SuperCobra
1 AGM-114 Hellfire
Practice

The list could go on.

And before I forget - kudos to France also for jumping in and kicking some butt themselves.


Ron

Right on!!:tu

[JimmyPeaches]

I just recently gave a report on piracy for my international logistics class and the article that I used highlighted the problems in acting offensively against the pirates.

1. The Gulf of Aden is close to to the distance from Maine to Miami and also several miles wide. No one navy has enough capacity to effectively patrol this area. Yes, there would be enough naval force if countries act in concert, but aerial capability is also needed, not something every navy has. This has been in the works for several years, Pres. Bush started working on this bill and how to incorporate other nations before he left office. Pres. Obama is now currently working on finishing this doctrine.

2. Who is ultimately responsible for prosecuting the pirates? Is the nation that the ship is register in? Is the country of the navy that apprehended the pirates? Is it the country whose waters the pirates were in when they apprehended? So far, no one country on the African coast wishes to partake in the insanity, so often times the pirates are just dropped off on the beach after being detained for awhile. Yes, Kenya did prosecute some pirates and sentence them to 7 year sentences, but Kenya itself does not have the legal or institutional capacity to incarcerate all of the pirates.

3. Why can't the U.S. take over? Transporting pirates to the USA, trying them, and then holding them would put a strain on our national funds for a world problem. Also without capable local governments, practical enforcement is near impossible. In the Straits of Malacca near Malayasia and Indonesia, the pirates were deterred and finally moved on one the local governments stepped enforcements.

4. How does a speedboat stop a cargo ship? Most often the pirates ask for ransoms that are less than the insurance premiums for a one-way passage through the Gulf of Aden. Premiums have risen from $500 to ~$20,000 in very recent years and months. Secondly, many times the pirates are crewed on the ships, so knowingly or unknowing the shipping company has already set themselves up, which is also the reason that weapons are not kept aboard.

Well, that's enough for one post.

[MedicCook]

Pirates I am sure will fall into the category of the World Justice System that I have been hearing about.

[BC-Axeman]

I just recently gave a report on piracy for my international logistics class and the article that I used highlighted the problems in acting offensively against the pirates.

1. The Gulf of Aden is close to to the distance from Maine to Miami and also several miles wide. No one navy has enough capacity to effectively patrol this area. Yes, there would be enough naval force if countries act in concert, but aerial capability is also needed, not something every navy has. This has been in the works for several years, Pres. Bush started working on this bill and how to incorporate other nations before he left office. Pres. Obama is now currently working on finishing this doctrine.

2. Who is ultimately responsible for prosecuting the pirates? Is the nation that the ship is register in? Is the country of the navy that apprehended the pirates? Is it the country whose waters the pirates were in when they apprehended? So far, no one country on the African coast wishes to partake in the insanity, so often times the pirates are just dropped off on the beach after being detained for awhile. Yes, Kenya did prosecute some pirates and sentence them to 7 year sentences, but Kenya itself does not have the legal or institutional capacity to incarcerate all of the pirates.

3. Why can't the U.S. take over? Transporting pirates to the USA, trying them, and then holding them would put a strain on our national funds for a world problem. Also without capable local governments, practical enforcement is near impossible. In the Straits of Malacca near Malayasia and Indonesia, the pirates were deterred and finally moved on one the local governments stepped enforcements.

4. How does a speedboat stop a cargo ship? Most often the pirates ask for ransoms that are less than the insurance premiums for a one-way passage through the Gulf of Aden. Premiums have risen from $500 to ~$20,000 in very recent years and months. Secondly, many times the pirates are crewed on the ships, so knowingly or unknowing the shipping company has already set themselves up, which is also the reason that weapons are not kept aboard.

Well, that's enough for one post.
Good food for debate! I could easily shoot holes in all these points. No time right now. The last point is the root of the problem. The third point, I seem to remember something about being "tried at sea". ...

[beamish]

hail to the seals..:tu....I dont see what the problem is the solution is easy,first of all these cargo ships are carrying millions of dollars in cargo,what would be the cost of say 4 or 5 ex military specialists,to take the journey? heavily armed the pirates approach the ship the rpg leans over the side "poof" what pirates someone say pirates...its easy...

[Don Fernando]

I just recently gave a report on piracy for my international logistics class and the article that I used highlighted the problems in acting offensively against the pirates.

1. The Gulf of Aden is close to to the distance from Maine to Miami and also several miles wide. No one navy has enough capacity to effectively patrol this area. Yes, there would be enough naval force if countries act in concert, but aerial capability is also needed, not something every navy has. This has been in the works for several years, Pres. Bush started working on this bill and how to incorporate other nations before he left office. Pres. Obama is now currently working on finishing this doctrine.

2. Who is ultimately responsible for prosecuting the pirates? Is the nation that the ship is register in? Is the country of the navy that apprehended the pirates? Is it the country whose waters the pirates were in when they apprehended? So far, no one country on the African coast wishes to partake in the insanity, so often times the pirates are just dropped off on the beach after being detained for awhile. Yes, Kenya did prosecute some pirates and sentence them to 7 year sentences, but Kenya itself does not have the legal or institutional capacity to incarcerate all of the pirates.


on your point one: Europe is sending more ships, the Dutch navy alone will send 6 ships and the Dutch will lead the European operation for the first 6 months (leadership will rotate between all active parties).

On your point two, well, it is international crime so I think the UN should prosecute.

[replicant_argent]

I thought you might get a chuckle from this, Ferd...
http://www.thoseshirts.com/images/imaoun500.gif

[BC-Axeman]

It's not an international crime.
Each case would be a crime by the pirates against the citizens on the ship, committed on the sovereign soil of the ship's registered country. So in the case of the kidnapped captain, it was as if the pirates came ashore and kidnapped him in Massachusetts and held him there.
Just like an illegal alien robbing a liquor store.
Now if the take the persons they kidnapped ashore it gets complicated.
IANAL, this is just how I have seen it explained.

[Don Fernando]

Open sea is no-man's land, outside the 12 mile zone it is an international crime.

[ahc4353]

Who would know if you just sunk the whole pirate ship?

[BamBam]

Who would know if you just sunk the whole pirate ship?


I like how you think Al

[dunng]

Who would know if you just sunk the whole pirate ship?

:tpd: :wo

[replicant_argent]

Who would know if you just sunk the whole pirate ship?

What pirate ship? There are no pirates....

[ahc4353]

What pirate ship? There are no pirates....

Exactly.

[hotreds]

http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l73/phishphan1984/1205OneShotOneKill450pwm.jpg

[Footbag]

Who would know if you just sunk the whole pirate ship?

:tpd:

[DPD6030]

Kaboom enough said

[ahc4353]

Al for President?

[s15driftking]

Denel NTW-20

http://userpages.xfoneusa.net/%7Esuit/big_one/ntw20.jpg

[BC-Axeman]

Open sea is no-man's land, outside the 12 mile zone it is an international crime.
I was led to believe the ship itself is sovereign territory.
Then since there is no international police force to deal with it, anyone can do anything, anytime?
My house is not federal territory, kidnapping is a federal crime. I can defend myself and my house without help from any federal authority, since self defense is a God-given right. I would think anyone has the right to self defense anywhere, especially on a ship in international waters where nobody else can decide what to do.
I wonder if there is any money to be made in independent pirate hunting.

[macpappy]

The ships are not armed because there are regulations in just about every country prohibiting the vessels from carrying firearms.

The problem with someone outfitting a ship as a "privateer" (that used to be the term used for vessels sailing under say, the Spanish flag, and hunting down vessels of another country) is that you would become a bigger target than the pirates.

[icehog3]

Al for President?

As soon as I move to Canada. ;) :r

[WildBlueSooner]

hail to the seals..:tu....I dont see what the problem is the solution is easy,first of all these cargo ships are carrying millions of dollars in cargo,what would be the cost of say 4 or 5 ex military specialists,to take the journey? heavily armed the pirates approach the ship the rpg leans over the side "poof" what pirates someone say pirates...its easy...

:tpd: You know there are some old grunts our their with the itch to kill!

[CBI_2]

I for one was elated to read the news reports. It's always just kinda pissed me off that a handful of "pirates" in little speed boats could actually take over a big ass ship like they do. So yeah - kudos to the Navy Seals on not wasting any bullets - 3 bad guys, 3 Navy Seals, 3 bullets! Practice pays off.

But why stop here. We have satellites, AWACS and all that other secret spy stuff at our disposal - so why not use it for more practice.

1 pirate mother ship.
1 US Navy attack submarine
1 torpedo.
Practice.

1 pirate strong hold.
1 Arleigh Burke class destroyer.
1 Tomahawk Block IV cruise missile.
Practice

1 pirate speed boat.
1 Navy/Marine AH-1 SuperCobra
1 AGM-114 Hellfire
Practice

The list could go on.

And before I forget - kudos to France also for jumping in and kicking some butt themselves.


Ron
:tu Practice in real time.

[replicant_argent]

It seems the old ways may have an interest in the present. What was that old adage about studying history?
http://news.yahoo.com/s/politico/20090415/pl_politico/21245

[kaisersozei]

http://i262.photobucket.com/albums/ii88/kaisersozei/The_Navy.jpg

[BC-Axeman]

http://i262.photobucket.com/albums/ii88/kaisersozei/The_Navy.jpg
Moment of breech opening. Great picture. Great quote.

[replicant_argent]

http://i262.photobucket.com/albums/ii88/kaisersozei/The_Navy.jpg

There must have been, what........16 pirates by my count. ;)

[DPD6030]

I was led to believe the ship itself is sovereign territory.
Then since there is no international police force to deal with it, anyone can do anything, anytime?
My house is not federal territory, kidnapping is a federal crime. I can defend myself and my house without help from any federal authority, since self defense is a God-given right. I would think anyone has the right to self defense anywhere, especially on a ship in international waters where nobody else can decide what to do.
I wonder if there is any money to be made in independent pirate hunting.

Hey Lance, where do I sign up?

[BC-Axeman]

I wonder if there is any money to be made in independent pirate hunting.

Hey Lance, where do I sign up?

S. O. F. ?

I would think there could be a way to lead convoys under armed guard.
I like the idea of having sucker ships and disappearing pirates. Dead men tell no tales.

[Old Sailor]

As soon as I move to Canada. ;) :r

Welcome to Canada, Admiral:tu

[Old Sailor]

Humm.....ships are made of steel.....pirate boats, probably fiberglass......eat steel ya slimey little **** runem over!!

[DrDubzz]

Gun was an MK-11 from what I've read

google it

[SmokeyJoe]

I hate Somali Pirates even more than Illinois Nazis! :ss

http://i211.photobucket.com/albums/bb28/Revtiger/gibson_henry5.jpg

This picture I posted of Henry Gibson as the Nazi from Blues Brothers was removed by photobucket... oops!

[lightning9191]

This picture I posted of Henry Gibson as the Nazi from Blues Brothers was removed by photobucket... oops!

Why? Nazis or copyright issues? Very interesting...:hm

[RGD.]

Just read this:

A French warship caught a "mother ship" 500 nautical miles (925 kilometres) off the Kenyan coast after tracking them from a failed attack on a Liberian-registered vessel, a French Defence Ministry spokesman said.

The 10-metre (33-foot) mother ship was carrying two assault skiffs for attacks, the spokesman said, adding that the captives were being held on the warship, the Nivose.

"The frigate spotted the pirates on the evening of April 14 when its helicopter intervened to thwart an attack on the merchant ship Safmarine Asia. It followed their boats overnight and intervened at dawn," he said.


:tu:tu


Too bad that just didn't use it for target practice - :ss


Ron

[mosesbotbol]

Humm.....ships are made of steel.....pirate boats, probably fiberglass......eat steel ya slimey little **** runem over!!

My neighbor is a merchant marine (just left for sea yesterday) and we've talked on this issue before. Making a wake is about the best the large ships can do. They are not nimble enough to start ramming pirate boats. They could easily sink them if they could.

Most of the pirates go for low sidewall boats and get on at night. The issue of preventing pirate attacks is more complex and has a risk vs. cost element to it that the shipping companies appear to be OK with.

[ABNMP619]

Well, I look at it this way....MORE TARGET PRACTICE FOR THE U.S. NAVY SEALS AND THE SPECIAL FORCES GUYS'. HELL YEAH! Nothing like an early morning cigar and a sniper shot to the face. They will learn when their buddies start dying off one by one!

[ABNMP619]

Well, I look at it this way.....MORE TARGET PRACTICE FOR THE U.S. NAVY SEALS AND THE SPECIAL FORCES GUYS'. Nothing like a morning smoke and a sniper shot to the face! They will learn when their buddies are dying off one by one.

[marge796]

This will be very bloody before it's all over.


Chris.....

[357]

Simple fix is repeal the disarmament laws many international ships are bound by. Armed people are less often considered as potential victims than their unarmed counterparts.

[Old Sailor]

My neighbor is a merchant marine (just left for sea yesterday) and we've talked on this issue before. Making a wake is about the best the large ships can do. They are not nimble enough to start ramming pirate boats. They could easily sink them if they could.

Most of the pirates go for low sidewall boats and get on at night. The issue of preventing pirate attacks is more complex and has a risk vs. cost element to it that the shipping companies appear to be OK with.

There are many ways to prevent boarding...we practice it all the time....for these ships, firehoses are the best bet.........if they get a boarding ladder up either cut it off, or a sledge hammer on top of the head as they come up works. :2

[SmokeyJoe]

Ok... now I see...

I have been mispronouncing it.

I have been saying SMELLY Pirates. My mistake. :D

[mosesbotbol]

There are many ways to prevent boarding...we practice it all the time....for these ships, firehoses are the best bet.........if they get a boarding ladder up either cut it off, or a sledge hammer on top of the head as they come up works. :2

He mentioned the fire hoses, but his ship is too big to cover the boat. He's on a tanker with a crew of 25. They like to board when the ship is full of oil so the sides aren't that high.

[Don Fernando]

the Dutch navy captured a pirate mothership yesterday, but due to international laws they couldn't turn them in for justice, so they just took their weapons and let them go again :( International law should change, and quickly.

[Rockestone]

the Dutch navy captured a pirate mothership yesterday, but due to international laws they couldn't turn them in for justice, so they just took their weapons and let them go again :( International law should change, and quickly.

That stinks!

[Don Fernando]

just read an update, the release of the pirates was ordered by NATO commander José Domingos Pereira da Cunha.

[RGD.]

The pirates were detained, but allowed to go free after questioning.

There is currently no formal procedure for NATO personnel to follow once they have apprehended pirates, Davies noted. Their weapons are confiscated and they are then typically given provisions and released.

What a joke. I mean what's the purpose. I suppose the meeting went something like this:

NATO - "You guys pirates?"

Pirates - "Umm Yes, why yes we are."

NATO - "Oh, Okay. Well you are free to go. And here are some Cokes and burgers for your trip back. You want fries with that?"



:mad:

Ron

[BC-Axeman]

Pardon me, but in my book "no formal procedures" means informal ones by default. History has examples of informal procedures to follow in such cases. :D

[darb85]

why capture them? they run, send em to the bottom.

ok kinda extreme but better than giving them back

[Don Fernando]

the pirates captured, disarmed and released by the Dutch last week have been captured by the 'government' of Somaliland, an independent part of Somalia, and been sentenced between 15 and 20 years in jail.

[Texan in Mexico]

Did you guys see this one?

This is an MSC ship, very popular cruise line in Europe and the Caribe.

Italian cruise ship thwarts pirate attackUPDATED: 08:09 AM EDT 04.26.09*The captain of an Italian cruise ship foiled an attack by pirates off the coast of Somalia on Saturday by ordering his security crew to fire back, Italy's ANSA news agency reported.Six armed pirates in a speedboat attacked the ship, which had about 1,500 people onboard, ANSA said. They fled after the security crew fired back.The cruise ship Melody, which is owned by an Italian company, was on its way back to Italy after a cruise, ANSA said.No one was injured in the attack about 180 miles north of the Seychelles.Piracy is rampant off the coast of Somalia despite the presence of foreign navies. The area hardest hit off the coasts of Somalia and Kenya, including the Gulf of Aden, is more than 1.1 million square miles -- four times the size of the state of Texas

[icehog3]

Good for the crew of the Italian cruise ship....good guys win one.

[RGD.]

Did you guys see this one?

This is an MSC ship, very popular cruise line in Europe and the Caribe.

Italian cruise ship thwarts pirate attackUPDATED: 08:09 AM EDT 04.26.09*The captain of an Italian cruise ship foiled an attack by pirates off the coast of Somalia on Saturday by ordering his security crew to fire back, . . .

About damn time - :tu


Ron

[BC-Axeman]

More! More!

[Don Fernando]

http://www.dumpert.nl/mediabase/480271/104e1892/southpark_meets_pirates_of_somalia.html

[mojo65]

Seems the security team on the cruse ship was Israeli.....:tu

[replicant_argent]

Shamelessly cut and pasted from somewhere else, but amusing, if only in a joking way.
I was checking cruise lines because I heard the rates are very cheap right now.

I found a Somali cruise package that departs from Sawakin (in the Sudan ) and docks at Bagamoya (in Tanzania ).

The cost is a bit high @ 800 per person double occupancy but I didn’t find that offensive. What I found encouraging and enlightened is that the cruise is encouraging people to bring their 'High powered weapons' along on the cruise. If you don’t have weapons you can rent them right there on the boat. They claim to have a master gunsmith on board and will have reloading parties every afternoon. The cruise lasts from 4-8 days and nights and costs a maximum of $3200 per person double occupancy (4 days). All the boat does is sail up and down the coast of Somalia waiting to get hijacked by pirates.

Here are some of the costs and claims associated with the package.

$800.00 US/per day double occupancy (4 day max billing)

M-16 full auto rental $ 25.00/day ammo at 100 rounds of 5.56 armor piercing ammo at 15.95

Ak-47 riffle @ No charge. ammo at 100 rounds of 7.62 com block ball ammo at 14.95

Barrett M-107 .50 cal sniper riffle rental 55.00/day ammo at 25 rounds 50 cal armor piercing at 9.95

Crew members can double as spotters for 30.00 per hour ( spotting scope included).

They even offer RPG's at 75 bucks and 200 dollars for 3 standard loads


"Everyone gets use of free complimentary night vision equipment and coffee and snacks on the top deck from 7pm-6am."


Meals are not included but seem reasonable.

Most cruises offer a mini-bar... these gung ho entrepreneurs offer......... get this.....

"MOUNTED MINIGUN AVAILABLE @ 450.00 per 30 seconds of sustained fire"


They advertise group rates and corporate discounts...... and even claim "FUN FOR THE WHOLE FAMILY"
They even offer a partial money back if not satisfied....here’s some text from the ad.


"We guarantee that you will experience at least two hijacking attempts by pirates or we will refund half your money back including gun rental charges and any unused ammo ( mini gun charges not included).. How can we guarantee you will experience a hijacking? We operate at 5 knots within 12 miles of the coast of Somalia . If an attempted Hijacking does not occur we will turn the boat around and cruise by at 4 knots. We will repeat this for up to 8 days making three passes a day along the entire length of Somalia . At night the boat is fully lit and bottle rockets are shot off at intervals and loud disco music beamed shore side to attract attention. Cabin space is limited so respond quickly. Reserve your package before April 29 and get 100 rounds of free tracer ammo in the caliber of your choice."

As if all that isn’t enough to whet your appetite, there were a few testimonials


“I got three confirmed kills on my last trip. I'LL never hunt big game in Africa again. I felt like the Komandant in Schindlers list!”---- Lars , Hamburg Germany


"Six attacks in 4 days was more than I expected. I bagged three pirates and my 12yr old son sank two rowboats with the minigun. PIRATES 0 -PASSENGERS-32! Well worth the trip. Just make sure your spotter speaks English"
Ned, Salt Lake city , Utah USA

"I haven’t had this much fun since flying choppers in NAM . Don’t worry about getting shot by pirates as they never even got close to the ship with those weapons they use and their shitty aim--reminds me of a drunken 'juicer' door gunner we picked up from the motor pool back in Nam" --"chopper'
Dan ----Toledo USA.


"Like ducks in a barrel. They turned the ship around and we saw them bleed and cry in the water like little girls. Saw one wounded pirate eaten by sharks--what a laugh riot!! This is a must do.--- Zeke-Minnahaw Springs Kentucky USA

[BC-Axeman]

LOL!
The .50 cal ammo price seems unreal.
I'd go for the RPG and a M-16.

[mojo65]

New souvenir hat!

[replicant_argent]

Saw this elsewhere, and thought it would fit well here too. ;)
http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e235/zulu6/Miscellaneous/dcpirates.jpg