Testosterone/Hormone Therapy

[mosesbotbol]

Anyone doing Testosterone/Hormone Therapy or considered doing it? Would like to hear your experience or insight. Please only comment if you are informed on the subject. PM’s also welcomed.

[mosesbotbol]

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With all the middle age guys on this site, nobody has done Testosterone Therapy before? :confused:

[SeanGAR]

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With all the middle age guys on this site, nobody has done Testosterone Therapy before? :confused:

I don't believe in messing around with nature.

From the mayo web site:
Potential benefits
* Improve muscle mass and strength
* Increase bone mineral density
* Thicken body hair and skin
* Improve sexual desire
* Boost energy
* Decrease irritability and depression
* Improve cognitive function

Potential risks
* Cause skin reactions
* Cause fluid retention
* Cause baldness
* Cause or aggravate sleep apnea
* Stimulate noncancerous growth of the prostate and cause or worsen urinary symptoms
* Stimulate growth of prostate cancer that's already present
* Enlarge breasts
* Stimulate growth of breast cancer that's already present
* Cause testicle shrinkage
* Limit sperm production
* Stimulate excess blood production
* Cause acne

Bald, with acne, small balls and big boobs is no way to go through life, son.

[mosesbotbol]

I wouldn't condone taking steriods or HGH for someone under 30 or with normal Testosterone level, but what about when you're in you 40's with Testosterone that are 1/4 of what they should be?

How many of those side effects do we hear with every perscription commercial on TV? The side effects sounds worse the condition they are treating.

Stallone has been taking Steroids and HGH for almost 25 years and he looks real good for someone over 60 years old. Still has his hair, lol...

[Smokin Gator]

I haven't taken any but my dad has been taking testosterone shots for years. I know it has helped his stamina and muscle mass.

[mosesbotbol]

I haven't taken any but my dad has been taking testosterone shots for years. I know it has helped his stamina and muscle mass.

Care to provide more detail?

[Smokin Gator]

I really don't know much more other than he started taking the shots when he was about 60 or so. He just turned 83 last week and is still going strong. Before he started taking them he was getting a bit of a belly and losing some muscle. He also didn't have as much energy.

I think he gets a shot either once a week or every other week. I will ask him to give me some more details.

[King James]

Stallone has been taking Steroids and HGH for almost 25 years and he looks real good for someone over 60 years old. Still has his hair, lol...

If Stallone juiced alot when he was younger, he probably can't produce it on his own anymore and needs the shots just to get to normal levels. Not sure if this is the case with him, but I know it is for guys like Canseco and others

[icehog3]

I looked into the facts a couple years ago, and decided the risks and side effects far outweighed the benefits. I would only consider it if I was having severe problems where the benefits might outweigh the side effects.

[AAlmeter]

My nephew is currently on testosterone therapy (almost 17, hadn't had a hint of puberty).

I also have known quite a few people from my athletic and lifting days who did their own forms of "therapy" and have studied the subject on my own back in the days when I was studying bioengineering.

Not exactly the hormone replacement therapy experience you're looking for, but feel free to PM me.

As a disclaimer, I am not a doctor or user, and I no longer am in the bioengineering field.

[BigFrank]

HRT can be a great thing when done properly. Often doctors give too much or too little and often use crappy test. More often than not oral, which is trash.
Not enough research has been done with HRT done in the proper levels. Also I would like to see more research done with HGH.

Women have been using HRT for years to keep them in good health for years.

I don't believe in messing around with nature.

From the mayo web site:
Potential benefits
* Improve muscle mass and strength
* Increase bone mineral density
* Thicken body hair and skin
* Improve sexual desire
* Boost energy
* Decrease irritability and depression
* Improve cognitive function

Potential risks
* Cause skin reactions
* Cause fluid retention
* Cause baldness
* Cause or aggravate sleep apnea
* Stimulate noncancerous growth of the prostate and cause or worsen urinary symptoms
* Stimulate growth of prostate cancer that's already present
* Enlarge breasts
* Stimulate growth of breast cancer that's already present
* Cause testicle shrinkage
* Limit sperm production
* Stimulate excess blood production
* Cause acne

Bald, with acne, small balls and big boobs is no way to go through life, son.
Most of those side effects are from high dosage levels, which are very rare in most cases. There are more side effects and potential health risks from having low testosterone.

Most doctors and medical professionals are anti male hormone. There is little or no research done regarding testosterone usage. It is considered more of a taboo thing in the medical field.

[AAlmeter]

. More often than not oral, which is trash.


Could not possibly agree more.

[BigFrank]

I really don't know much more other than he started taking the shots when he was about 60 or so. He just turned 83 last week and is still going strong. Before he started taking them he was getting a bit of a belly and losing some muscle. He also didn't have as much energy.

I think he gets a shot either once a week or every other week. I will ask him to give me some more details.
Stallone juiced way before he hit 30. I would think HGH in the last 10 years.

[mosesbotbol]

Part of my making this a thread is to open this discussion and perhaps show this as a viable treatment.

This is doctor monitored treatment that is a far cry from spot injection in the locker room at Golds, and it's not fake Test from a Pharmacy in Mexico. The clinics are not trying to make anyone Dorian Yates, and they do not cater to athletes. They bring your Test levels back to the high median value for your age group. According to them, your natural Test does not stop as your body is still within a normal range and you are already low, or you wouldn't be in treatment to start with.

Bloodwork test is around $300 and monthly Test injections run about $200-300. If you would like to know more, PM me. The place I am talking to (one of my best friends works there) is where Stallone and several other celebrities go there. No office visits are required and all drugs are mailed to you. I am still on the fence, but my friend has dropped about 10% in body fat in like a 2 months and has neve felt better at 39 years young.

[King James]

Part of my making this a thread is to open this discussion and perhaps show this as a viable treatment.

This is doctor monitored treatment that is a far cry from spot injection in the locker room at Golds, and it's not fake Test from a Pharmacy in Mexico. The clinics are not trying to make anyone Dorian Yates, and they do not cater to athletes. They bring your Test levels back to the high median value for your age group. According to them, your natural Test does not stop as your body is still within a normal range and you are already low, or you wouldn't be in treatment to start with.

Bloodwork test is around $300 and monthly Test injections run about $200-300. If you would like to know more, PM me. The place I am talking to (one of my best friends works there) is where Stallone and several other celebrities go there. No office visits are required and all drugs are mailed to you. I am still on the fence, but my friend has dropped about 10% in body fat in like a 2 months and has neve felt better at 39 years young.

Maybe I missed the explanation earlier in the thread, but if they mail it how is it monitored? Does your regular doctor make sure all is good?

[mosesbotbol]

Maybe I missed the explanation earlier in the thread, but if they mail it how is it monitored? Does your regular doctor make sure all is good?

Well, most primary doctors are at odds with this treatment. Just like most are at odds with our cigar use. The HRT is monitored via blood tests. Normally, one test a year is sufficient as they administer these drugs for a living and know what typical elevations will be based on the program they give you. That being said, you are always welcome to have additional tests done throughout the year.

Keep in mind that none of this is covered by insurance, but I may be able to sneak in the blood test for Test values with my physical, but my primary doctor is an arse.

[icehog3]

Moses, your insurance won't cover any of the prescription costs even if you are diagnosed with low test (male menopause)?

[shilala]

I was getting depo-testosterone shots last year because my testosterone was very low. I'm supposed to still be taking the shots but I stopped. My vitamin D was very low, and there were a number of other things going on, especially joint pain.
It seemed to help a little.
Turns out all the joint problems and muscle pain that I'd suffered for years were a direct result of diet pop. I've since stopped drinking anything with aspartame in it, and my joints are slowly healing to the point where I'm nearly normal.
I'm going to have blood work done this summer, then have it done again this winter, compare the two and see where I'm at.
The reason for that is because I've always, since I was a kid, suffered from seasonal depression. It may just be a natural cycling that can be addressed easily, or it may have all been because of the aspartame.
When I get it all figured out I'll be thrilled. It's been a 2 year long process so far.

[shilala]

I should also mention that the testosterone I was taking runs 50 bucks for 10mg, which is 10 months worth.

[kaisersozei]

On a related note, is there any value to the DHEA supplements?

This is supposed to be a natural precursor hormone, meaning it will help your body boost production of testosterone. It's not an anabolic steroid, so the affects are different, but when used as a nutritional supplement it is supposed to help get your hormone levels up to where they would normally occur naturally.

[replicant_argent]

the solution to losing 10% body fat that is much safer is to move more and take in less calories. Unless you have a "serious" problem, getting HRT because you want to solve a body issue perception problem isn't worth all the trouble you might get, IMO. It would pretty much take me growing a 3rd eye and having pustules and secretions spurting from my body before I took to using juice for laziness/vanitys sake. If a doc you see regularly and monitors it more than "by mail" :r suggests it for a life threatening or quality of life issue? So be it.

YMMV, and my opinion is my own, I don't know why I subject others to it. ;)

[mosesbotbol]

Moses, your insurance won't cover any of the prescription costs even if you are diagnosed with low test (male menopause)?

No, I do not think they do. I should ask them, but according the clinic, insurance is generally not accepted, and I do not think the clinic has a contract with BCBS for instance. I do not think the local pharmacy has the drugs they perscribe either. If I go with it, I would certainly investigate.

[BigFrank]

On a related note, is there any value to the DHEA supplements?

This is supposed to be a natural precursor hormone, meaning it will help your body boost production of testosterone. It's not an anabolic steroid, so the affects are different, but when used as a nutritional supplement it is supposed to help get your hormone levels up to where they would normally occur naturally.
Not worth buying.

Some insurance companies will cover HRT. If your Doctor or a specialist has prescribed that you do it, most insurance companies will pay, but of course it really depends on who you have etc.

I would change my general physician to someone who is a little bit more open minded.

I dont understand why people feel sketchy about taking blood test then sending away for a prescription. Just about everyone I work with is on some type of medicine. They only see their Doctor 2-3 times a year and mail away for most of their meds, most commonly blood pressure medicine. They go to a lab every so often to get blood work done.
I think people need to quit being so leery and stereotypical towards HRT just because it involves steroids.

[yassin3]

Here is my experience: (50 Years old, overweight)

I started Testosterone therapy about 5 months prior to getting on CPAP. My T level was very low, (120). When diagnosed with sleep apnea, I had an AHI of 118.

That was almost two years ago -- now my AHI is averaging around 2-2.5 a night with CPAP. I have to get a T test every 6 months or so, and I am in the middle to low in my "normal" range.

About 6 months ago, I decided to forego my Testosterone therapy for a couple of weeks. During that time, I was still on cpap and my nightly AHI stayed around the same, but maybe a point /point and a half higher.

However, my Testosterone dropped significantly -- down to only 48, so i juiced back up and got it back in the normal range for myself.

I take T once a week, and what I noticed is that my AHI is slightly higher on the few preceding nights after injection, but gets back to average nearer the end of the week.

Just from my anecdotal experience,

Testosterone therapy may increase your sleep apnea. (This is a known side effect)

Sleep apnea (https://sleep-land.com/can-nasal-strips-help-and-of-cpap-for-my-sleep-apnea/) made me extremely tired and listless, so I believe that was a causing factor in my low T, not from OSA

Now, I have also recently started exercising regularly and have adopted a plant based diet (for the most part). On my last T test, my levels were a lot higher -- also, my libido and stamina lasts a lot longer than it did before.

[mosesbotbol]

Some insurance companies will cover HRT. If your Doctor or a specialist has prescribed that you do it, most insurance companies will pay, but of course it really depends on who you have etc.

I would change my general physician to someone who is a little bit more open minded.

There are Men's Health specialty clinics that geared HRT and any health issues that are specific to men. Most are just a referral from your primary.

The newest way for HRT is a pellet injection that last 10+ weeks. Much better than traditional testosterone injections with less effects.

[icehog3]

There are Men's Health specialty clinics that geared HRT and any health issues that are specific to men. Most are just a referral from your primary.

The newest way for HRT is a pellet injection that last 10+ weeks. Much better than traditional testosterone injections with less effects.

Meaning less side effects, not positive effects, correct Moses?

[mosesbotbol]

Meaning less side effects, not positive effects, correct Moses?

Side effects like acne and inherent hormone level swings due to "getting it all at once" as a liquid injection. Pellets dissolve in the fatty issue over the 10 weeks so it's like nothing ever happened (outside of the big bruises that can be caused by the injection).

The positive side effects of HRT; which there are plenty can be a lengthy thread.

Decent insurance pays for it, so why not take advantage?

[icehog3]

Side effects like acne and inherent hormone level swings due to "getting it all at once" as a liquid injection. Pellets dissolve in the fatty issue over the 10 weeks so it's like nothing ever happened (outside of the big bruises that can be caused by the injection).

The positive side effects of HRT; which there are plenty can be a lengthy thread.

Decent insurance pays for it, so why not take advantage?

I have great insurance, might be something to look into after all the Shelter in Place restrictions are lifted. Thanks Moses.